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Response to Mikey Metz' Blog

Mikey Metz has become disillusioned and flipped over to the "other side." I am looking at his reasons, posted on his blog. Apparently he was a co-founder of a 9/11 Truth group in Albany NY.

Mikey,

I feel your pain. There is a lot of bad info going around - a lot. Many people are not trustworthy sources. Finding the truth -- when the gov't is intent on hiding it -- is no easy task.

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"Why is it so hard to believe that 19 hijackers with box cutters did this?"

There are reasons to doubt the hijacker story. I remain agnostic on this question of whether they did it, but I can see both sides.

1) The identities are in doubt, yet the government refused to correct them, or to admit they were unsure.

People whose photos appeared as the FBI's hijackers turned up alive. This is very strange.

2) The Pentagon plane maneuver could not have been performed by the pilot the government says was in control. Thus say numerous professional pilots. This is a discrepancy. The Pentagon plane is highly suspicous for many reason (which I don't see you acknowledging).

Is Bill M. terrified of Dr. David Ray Griffin?

(Just joined the HBO forums. I'll see if this one makes it to the actual message board.)

Bill's obstinance and refusal to debate 9/11 is a serious issue. It puts his credibility on the line. If he's so sure of himself, why won't he address the leading authors about the 9/11 cover up?

He also has taken the cowardly line, obfuscating the government cover up and lies about 9/11 with the one issue of controlled demolition. Forgetting that he's done nothing to actually disprove the demolition hypothesis, other than ad hominem childish attacks, he has yet to acknowledge that we really don't know what happened on 9/11 because it was completely covered up by the white house, and that the 9/11 commission report was an obvious farce.

One of Dr. Griffin's books documents 115 "Lies and Omissions" in that report. Other prominent writers and researchers should be invited to address these issues. Until that day, when we get a FAIR hearing, Bill will continue to feel the heat from the street.

Dr. David Ray Griffin, author of 5 books on this subject
Nafeez M Ahmed, author of 3 books on this subject
Professor Michel Chossudovsky, of globalresearch.ca

NTSB: Flight 11, 175 Anomalies

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UPDATE: THE NTSB MADE THE FILES DISAPPEAR FROM THEIR WEBSITE AFTER THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN. I HAVE UPLOADED THE PDF FILES TO THE INTERNET ARCHIVE, HERE:

http://www.archive.org/details/NtsbfactualReportDocumentsFromSeptember11th2001
]

Hold onto your boxers.

According to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB.GOV), Flight 175 originated not at Logan airport. No. But at the BOSTON HELIPORT, CODE 1MA3.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA063&rpt=fa

The code for Logan is "BOS," not "1MA3." Check list:

http://creports.capnhq.gov/airfield/airportselection.asp?state=MA

I did not personally discover this info. It was posted several places including Pilots for 911 Truth. Another poster suggested that the heliport was actually closed at that time.

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=218&topic_id=3237&mesg_id=3299

However, I did the obvious thing, and looked into what they said about Flight 11, also supposedly out of Boston.

...

Do you want to know?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA060&rpt=fa

This is my "Holy Fucking Shit" moment of the week.

Back to Basics (Truth v. Lies)

In a recent blog, a highly placed truther (Griffin?) suggests ignoring the specific disinformation agents, and focusing on the historical record of disinformation tactics.

This may be more of an academic exercise than a public relations strategy, however.

I would suggest rather that we instead frame the issue on our terms (in places where a mainstream audience dwells). This would render the "theories" moot and irrelevant.

1. Validating the need for truth.

How many lies can you find uttered by high ranking government officials? We should start a web page with just that debunking of official statements. My own favorite is Ari Fleischer aboard air force one on 9/11: "No warnings."

2. Similarly, we have the omissions, the substantial facts that were never investigated. Another page could list exhaustively all the omissions we can find. Griffin's work is excellent in this regard.

3. The synthesis: They lie, so we want the truth.

If we can prove dishonesty, omission, and worse, we are vindicated. We retain the high ground, as well as a solid grounding not based on flights of fancy, opinion, or deception.

NY / NJ VOLUNTEERS NEEDED (BIG TIME)

Please pass this on to NY/NJ 9/11 Truthers

The articles linked below help to substantiate that a van was stopped at the George Washington Bridge on 9/11, about 10:30pm by Port Authority police. It was reported to be full of explosives, and the G.W. Bridge was closed for several hours. Two or three suspects were arrested, and the FBI quickly took over.

We need to get the Port Authority police reports of that incident to prove it actually happened.

We also need interviews and affidavits from police officers who were there that night.

If the feds made a van full of explosives disappear and covered it up, then that could be considered TREASON. The police officer affidavits could be taken to federal judges as evidence of treason. This could blow the lid off 9/11 if people will volunteer to do the hard investigating.

Corroborating Orwell & a van full of explosives at the G.W. Bridge

Corroborating Orwell & a van full of explosives at the G.W. Bridge

Corroborating Orwell & a van full of explosives at the G.W. Bridge

Crimes of the State

[Some editors find that two mainstream sources (CBS News and Jerusalem Post) are not enough documentation of the George Washington Bridge truck bomb incident. So, here's more.]

A wonderful corroboration comes from the Deputy Managing Editor of the Wall Street Journal, Barney Calame, writing for the American Society of Newspaper Editors:

CounterPunch Watch

"So you got a new fool, huh? I like it like that..." --Jimi Hendrix, Let Me Stand Next to Your Fire

New boy genius Alex Doherty says he's going to expose the UK 9/11 Truth Movement, and those who are "reponsible." He then exposes his gross ignorance and propensity for being misled.

alexjamesdoherty@gmail.com

I'm considering a blog called CounterPunch Watch, devoted to exposing "America's Best Political Newsletter." Maybe someone else has time/inclination for this.

They all rely on the same tired BBC/Popular Mechanics topics, without actually investigating anything at all. They're working from talking points. These numb nuts really aren't worth the time and effort, except that their publication is widely read, and reports responsibly on OTHER topics.

Boy toy laments:

"The decline of orthodox marxism, while welcome in many ways, has unfortunately allowed the most extreme forms of irrationality to proliferate amongst the organised left."

Yeah, sure babe. That's what 9/11 is all about. Get Lenin on the line.

Orwell's Triumph - There is no van full of explosives reported at the George Washington Bridge.

There was never a van full of explosives reported at the George Washington Bridge.

A van full of explosives at the George Washington Bridge did not exist.

Crimes of the State Blog

The raison d'etre for the 9/11 Truth Movement in one easy step.

Dan Rather CBS News on September 11th 2001

Jerusalem Post,

September 12, 2001 (mirrored):

(08:45) Car bomb found on George Washington Bridge

American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge connecting New York and New Jersey.

The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge.

Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported.

The Suppressed September 11th

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The Suppressed September 11th

Recommended Reading Concerning 9/11

 

(This article will refer the reader to some compendiums of credible news reports concerning the attacks of 9/11. Most of these news stories were mentioned briefly, and then conspicuously forgotten about by news organizations, by purported investigators, and even by the general public.

Robert Fisk's Skepticism vs. Manuel Garcia Jr.s Shameless Propaganda

Crimes of the State

Longtime international journalist Robert Fisk has entered the debate over September 11th 2001. Immediately, he was pounced on by CounterPunch for voicing his concerns.

One might ask why CounterPunch sees it as a high priority to attack those who voice skepticism of the government's account of 9/11?

Manuel Garcia Jr., whose actual career has included work on more advanced weapons of mass destruction (WMD's) for the US government, has written some questionable papers about the New York building "collapses" of 9/11. Garcia no longer includes his Lawrence Livermore Laboratory resume at the end of his articles, for some reason, but this is what he told us originally:


"[Garcia's] working experience includes measurements on nuclear bomb tests, devising mathematical models of energetic physical effects, and trying to enlarge a union of weapons scientists."

While establishing some level of expertise, the elephant in the room would be the morality of someone, at this late stage of our MAD evolution, helping build more effective nuclear bombs. And, if one has no reservations about vaporizing thousands to millions of humans, in a single blast, what's a little disinformation on the morality spectrum?

9/11 - CIA IG REPORT: A Little More Light Through the Cracks

Crimes of the State

PDF OF CIA INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, "OIG Report on CIA Accountability With Respect to the 9/11 Attacks", June 2005

George Tenet is pissed. He wrote a lengthy and disgusted response to this CIA Inspector General report, printed in the NY Times (August 21, 2007). Here is his closing line:

"But just as we owed it to the country to do better — the CIA IG owed it to the nation and the men and women of the intelligence community to do a better job in reviewing the circumstances that led to the tragedy of September 11th." --Former Director of CIA, George Tenet

What's gotten Tenet so frosty? I mean, he does admit that "...we owed it to the country to do better..."

The CIA's "Summary" doesn't spill too many beans, but in general language they hint at realities that other reports like the FBI Inspector General Report have already revealed.

"Concerning certain issues [unspecified], the ["Accountability Review"] Team concluded that the [Central Intelligence] Agency and its officers did not discharge their responsibilities in a satisfactory manner.

That is a pretty powerful statement, depending upon what the "issues" actually refer to. The previous FBI IG report (2004) exposed how the CounterTerrorism Center (CTC) -- run by CIA -- deliberately blocked a memo from alerting the FBI about two of the purported 9/11 skyjackers.

Two of the alleged terrorists had multi-entry United States visas, and were observed at a "high level Al Qaeda meeting" in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

An FBI official assigned to the CIA/CTC wrote the memo to inform his agency to look out for the terrorists, who later easily entered the US with valid visas. Believing that his memo was sent over to FBI, the FBI official was unaware that CIA supervisors had held the memo and never sent it to FBI.

Was this protection of known terrorists, and hiding them from FBI tantamount to treason ("aiding the enemy")?

That's a question we should not expect answered by the CIA, nor the FBI, nor the Congress apparently.

If you're not very angry...

Special Reports
The 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund: cui bono?

By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor

Jun 22, 2007, 01:10

Thursday, June 14 -- I’m taking notes in Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein’s spacious courtroom atop the Daniel Patrick Moynihan United States Courthouse at 500 Pearl Street in New York. This as lawyers from United Air Lines, American Airlines, Boeing Corporation, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, World Trade Center Properties, et al, make a motion for a determination of applicable law and for dismissal of all punitive damage claims as well as certain government discovery in the 9/11 damage suits.

The fleet of high-priced lawyers fills half the paneled courtroom. A packed gallery fills the other half. Among the corporate legal fleet are a smaller number of lawyers for the remaining plaintiffs who did not take the 9/11 Victim Compensation money. One of plaintiffs’ lawyers, Greg Joseph, is noted to say, “Any trial is a good trial.”

Psyops Primer -- the UFO phenomenon

These two articles show links between top UFO "researchers" and the CIA.

UFOGate, The Alien Overlords
http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufo_overlords.html

MJ-12: Majestic, or Incredulous?
http://www.philipcoppens.com/majestic12.html

There is some hinting that fake UFOs are coordinated as light shows for observers, as part of psychological warfare exercises.

This relates to 9-11, as it parallels the disinformation attacks we have suffered under since that tragic day. Interesting links back to Rockefeller are included.

The most likely explanation, and one released in an investigation of the UFO phenomena, is that this was the cover story of choice when top secret experimental aircraft were sighted by civilians. Coincidentally, that was also the plot of the first X-Files show; then it went off into other less plausible "truths" that were "out there."

The UFO / CIA connection could help, as long as the evidence checks out. It shows a pattern of deliberately lying to the people, almost gleefully telling us bullshit ... just because they can.

"Skeptics" or Dupes? Skeptic Magazine Not So Skeptical on 9/11 Lies

Crimes of the State

Skeptic Magazine has come out with a half-assed response to the 9/11 Truth Movement. They cite Popular Mechanics' theories about the attacks, and not much else in their 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, the 9/11 Truth Movement in Perspective.

Someone should have told them that Professor David Ray Griffin has demolished the Popular Mechanics diatribe in his Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory.

Let's forego all of that -- pretend it never happened -- and get to the accusations of the article.

Why can't I find...!!!

The search isn't showing things I know exist on this very site. Is Google fucking with us?

I've wasted at least an hour looking for two things:

1) Recent post about a controlled demolition that wasn't from the basement. It included photos and was at a higher point in the building.

2) A news report video of WTC7, where the SMOKE was clearly shown behind the newscaster as originating from across the street at WTC6, or the "AMEX" building.

The search doesn't appear to care about these topics for some reason.

It also had a weird propensity to undercount hits, of something say like my own handle. I know I have many more posts than appeared in the search results.