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I was dared by several debunkers to go to the JREF conspiracy theory forum and was told that my arguments would be destroyed there.
After joining all i received was abuse from the people there and I never complained, but they all complained about me and the admin backed them up saying "I know CTists are hard to deal with".
I have now been banned and Killtown was banned in the same day.
I urge you all to join the forum and present your arguments in a polite civil manner and produce as much evidence as you can. These people cannot be allowed to get away with what they are doing.
The link is: http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64
For anyone who thinks the 911 Commision was impartial, check the wikipedia entry on Philp Zelikow. It says:
"Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, “public myths” or “public presumptions,” which he defines as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene."
"In the November-December 1998 issue of Foreign Affairs, he co-authored an article entitled “Catastrophic Terrorism,” in which he speculated that if the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center had succeeded, “the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America’s fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either future terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently.”
Our distinguished friends at Infowars are reporting a CNN/New York Times poll found only 16% of Americans believe the official story about 911!
Read the full story here:
Oh dear it seems our debunkers are going to have to troll the internet harder for idiots to preach the official fairy tale to.
I mentioned earlier that Screw Loose Change (Mark Iradian filming his own descent into madness) had only 8000 views, well soon there will be less than 8000 believers in America.
Lets see our cyber pets aka stalkers aka detractors debunk this poll.
I have read Mark Roberts recent paper on the collapse of building 7, read it here:
Now for a paper about the collapse of a building it does a very good impression of a personal attack on people Mark doesnt like or, in the case of Alex Jones, is jealous of. Its subtle at times but uses lies misrepresentations and omissions to slur these people.
Why would Mark be jealous of Alex? Well, as Mark says himself in the paper, he is just a tour guide, not a lawyer or indeed a radio broadcaster (hes clearly a frustrated one.)
The paper starts with the line "For the past few months ive been going to the world trader centre site on saturdays with some friends." What an exciting life this man must lead. His idea of fun is to go to the site of a mass murder every saturday with his "friends". I put friends in qoutes because they may well be imaginary. Anyway, very odd behaviour and typical of trolls like this guy. He doesnt believe in a conspiracy so his appearance there is at best provocatory or at worst fetishistic.
Next up he treats us to the subtle but mandatory implication that 911 truth is anti-semitic, he claims truthers are shouting "murderer outside the business of a Jewish conspirator. The fact that he is jewish has no relevance Mr Roberts.
I have been having some debates with the clowns at screwloosechange.blogspot.com I posted a classic one
earlier. During this I was urged to go to the JREF forums at http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64 so
we could debate further. I smelled a rat and lo and behold when I got there it was full of huge rotting rat
Its just full of faceless trolls pretending to be structural engineers ganging up on one truther and calling them a thick kid with no qualifications.
Its amazing how many structural engineers live on the internet these days. I urge you all to go on to their site and pretend to be a Structural Engineer and call them thick. In fact please do it on all their sites. It is the only tactic they use so lets try it.
They asked me to go there, says it all really. I made them look like muppets.
Check out my blog here: 911debunkingthedebunkers.blogspot.com
This is simply wonderful.
I have been having a debate with the screw loose change idiots on their blog and i mentioned the
supposed global collapse of the towers. Wait till u hear what they said. The exchange is below:
ME: talking of global collapse, could one of you intellectuals please explain to me how uneven fires and totally different plane crash damage could cause global collapse in those buildings?
SHAWN: Ever played jenga?
ME: shawn i apologise, i have just found this qoute from the lead architect on the trade towers
"when we designed the towers we envisaged a super strong structure that could withstand boeing impacts but then we had a game of jenga and decided to make them like that instead"
Thats right folks, the debunkers are now qouting games of jenga as proof of global collapse. thats desperate.
View the full exchanges here:
i think ive upset them lol
Anyone who has read my previous posts will know that I have pathological obsession with these
idiots that profess to debunk 911 truth, especially Propaganda Mechanics.
I question these peoples motives and their anal way of studying every word we say.
So I have started a blog dedicated to this, its www.911debunkingthedebunkers.blogspot.com.
If anyone has info that might be useful to me, please post in the comments or email me at
Have any of you seen the screw loose change video at google? Its 3 hours long, just a nice length to keep
the interest lol
Its a monumental waste of time but go and view it anyway cos it really needs the numbers.
I sent the following email to its creator Mark Iradian, If i get a reply I will post it here.
Ive just watched your video on google. I notice it has 8000 views as opposed to the 20,000,000 views of loose change. Well done on producing the biggest waste of time ever. You may as well give lectures in an empty theatre.
I admit loose change is a soft target. Why dont you produce a video debunking the new 911 mysteries video, erm maybe its because you cant. Indeed instead of being a faceless internet troll why dont you debate some people? Not Dylan Avery, but someone like David Ray Griffin. Answer: because you know you would lose.
I find your obsession with the 3 young lads at loose change very disturbing. Touch of jealousy setting in?
Keep up the good work!
There is a new 911 site that Jack Blood has set up. Its not just a blog site its like a myspace for 911 truthers.
Ive created a profile and it seems like a really good site. Please check it out.
I dont want to make it appear that I have a vendetta against Propaganda Mechanics but lets face it I have. Listen to this radio appearance by Brad Reagan from PM. Its not that long, only about the first 20 minutes of the file. During the discussion Brad and a caller say that there are NO COLUMNS IN THE CENTRE OF THE TRADE TOWERS. A blatant lie!!!
As usual the host lets on callers to just agree with the PM guy.
I am startibg to hyperventilate over this now.
We need a strategy to debunk these cretins for good.
I heard Davin "DNA" Coburn from Propoganda Mechanics on another radio show and a caller asked him
if he had ever heard of Operation Northwoods. He claimed he hadnt heard of it which I find hard to
believe as he is meant to have fully researched internet conspiracy theorists. He went on to say that his
boys are happy to look at any new evidence and we should send it to them.
So I have done just that. I sent a pdf of Northwoods to them and, as is usual in such cases, I have recieved
no reply. I am calling on you to send any smoking gun evidence you have to them. If you dont get a reply ring
firstname.lastname@example.org is the email
212-649-2000 is the phone number
212-586-5562 is the fax number
Alex Jones is really on the case. Not only did he predict 9/11 but in this broadcast which started just an hour after the towers fell he is already talking about operation northwoods. Its a riveting listen.
Check out this patronising podcast from all the popular mechanics liars.
Notice that they dont balance it with an opposing view, they start by inferring that all people who disbelieve theofficial story are anti jewish, they claim that all 9/11 researchers are amateur, they say "conspiracy theorists" at least a thousand times without actually mentioning people who are conducting academic research. its just appalling,
I went to see the Oliver Stone film yesterday, which has just been released here in Britain. I knew it wasnt
going to be conspiratorial which is a disappointment, although I think stone put some subtle clues in there for
people, not least the collapse of building 7.
What was very surprising though was the reaction of the audience who kept shouting things at the screen
such as "down with George Bush" and "propaganda". A lot of these were young guys and I think a lot
of credit for that should go to Loose Change. Its a flawed film but its getting to the masses and most
importantly the youth.
Young people here have been apathetic to politics since Thatcher left office but this seems to have ignited
something in them. About time, For the first time I actually think we are going to win this.
Watch this video of a local Fox station about a truther running in the election. Notice how the smug
presenters avoid the underlying issue to ridicule him.
This guy is doing a great job. Please support him at www.SendMeABuck.com
There is one question that really puzzles me about 9/11 and as a
new member of the truth fraternity I havent found the topic covered
anywhere so maybe you guys can help me out.
I am certain that the twin towers were systematically demolished
in a shock and awe style psy-op for the benefit of the millions watching
but my question is this: Wasnt that enough?
Why would they bother with the other two flights and a relatively minor
incident at the pentagon and a "crash" in Shanksville?
The perpertrators of 9/11 had an incredibly complex plot to deal with already
and a massive cover-up to organise. I dont understand why they would
complicate matters with these rather pointless additions.
Sorry if this has been posted before but everyone must watch this video. I didnt even know it existed.
Heres another one, just saw it on crooks and liars.
this is clearly deliberate now