Jonathan Gold Hits the Nail on the Head

I felt this would be a good follow up to my rant last night about PNAC, and the plans for Iraq before 9/11. With so many people coming to terms with this administration wanting to hit Iraq so long ago, perhaps they will begin questioning how this administration could possibly have accomplished their goals without 9/11.

They NEEDED It To Happen...

We sit here all day thinking of the most compelling piece of evidence that the Government was complicit in 9/11 when it's staring us RIGHT IN THE FACE.

What were our Government's intentions BEFORE 9/11?

Reporter Ron Suskind said that he received documents from "White House Insiders", including Paul O'Neill. The titles of those documents were as follows:

"Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq."
"Foreign Suitors For Iraqi Oilfield Contracts"

Paul O'Neill himself described a meeting that took place a few days after the first inauguration where "It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this."

What about Afghanistan? Would we have invaded Afghanistan had it not been for 9/11?

According to BBC's George Arney, Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

Just yesterday, Rep. Peter King said, "We would not have invaded Iraq without 9/11".

According to Bob Woodward's book, "Plan Of Attack", Paul Wolfowitz said, "The terrorist attacks of Sept 11 created an opportunity to strike."

So... were they hoping and praying that 9/11 would take place, or did they make it happen?

I've prayed my ass off before to a God I no longer believe in, but I can honestly say that a massive attack against the United States, in the timeframe that they specified, is a tad more than any God could give.

Ron Suskin & Paul O'Neill: CBS News
George Arney & Niaz Naik: BBC News
Rep. Peter King: Newsday
Paul Wolfowitz & Bob Woodward: Amazon Books

All that planning would seem pretty pointless without 9/11 eh? Read the PNAC document.

Please feel free to rant away in the comments here, or on Gold's forum here.

It really doesn't matter how

It really doesn't matter how much you simplify and illuminate: The masses wouldn't believe it if we took Bush to Gitmo and squeezed it out of him on primetime national television. Unless it was called "Reality Torture".

The masses believe one thing: What the man with the guns tells them is true, and what his accomplices on MSM agree with.

Want to make them believe you?

Then we would need to seize every media outlet forcefully.

Unless we are foolish enough to think these murders and torturers are going to repent under the onslaught of well written, logical articles.

Unlikely, yes?

Explain to me the level of intelligence, of comprehension and logic, to not see a controlled demolition of WTC 7? Jebus, we DID get a confession on national tv, and STILL no mass outrage.


You want to prosecute, I do to.

We'd need to be in power to do so.

Facts and lectures won't get us there in time, I am afraid. I believe another one is coming...Bush Is Insane With Hubris.

Thanks for posting this...

Thanks for posting this...

Farang's got a point and

Farang's got a point and it's something I've been thinking about for a while now.

But what if people did suddenly get wise to what's going on? What if our friend's in Jesusland wake up tomorrow and realize that they've been sold a bill of goods? What are they going to do about it? What are we, the long-time skepics and critics, going to do about it? I doubt the people of this country will ever lock up a US president, much less send one to the International criminal court, which in my opinion, is where Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld (just for starters) belong.

Americans desperately want to believe that we're the good guys and will believe almost spin that demonizes those we've attacked and the nay-sayers (foreign and domestic) who criticize the war effort. We believe obvious lies about current events (we're in Iraq to spread democracy, stop Saddam, find WMDs, etc; not to enrich war profiteers and oil companies) and in the future will probably lie to our children about it (we've done it many times before as pointed out by James Loewen in several great books on distortions in American History textbooks and at historical landmarks).

People think this is the greatest country in the world. That's some serious hubris. But it may be true. Even if it is, I think we can do a lot better. We should stop patting ourselves on the back for being better than Iran, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, etc. and start trying to live up to the ideals this country was founded on. I think the best way to start would be to give ole' W the boot. Better yet, let 'em rot in a Texas prison for a few years.

I agree. How do we go up

I agree. How do we go up against the new world order. This needs to get out and FAST. TV / Media outlets need to be taken over and a message broadcast. I have a bad feeling about August. I network with a bunch of Info groups but it needs to go beyond the internet, we need TV /Radio something to wake the masses up quick. all these sheep are being led straight to the slaughter and they think everything is fine. I'm here to network and get things going. Email me.

power to the peaceful we need to get people awake real fast