Steven E. Jones, Brigham Young Physics Professor, Thinks Bombs, Not Planes, Toppled WTC
Y. Professor Thinks Bombs, Not Planes, Toppled WTC
The physics of 9/11 - including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell - prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor.
In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones.
Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations.
"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes - which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.
As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation."
Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says. The official explanation - that fires caused structural damage that caused the buildings to collapse - can't be backed up by either testing or history, he says.
He follows up with these bullet points:
- The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" - and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."
- No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.
- WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors - and intact steel support columns - the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.
- With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing - and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."
- Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.
- Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel - and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.
- Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.
- Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.
And finally:
Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding."
Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September.
Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.
I did a few quick searches and pulled up these other links related to Steven E. Jones:
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? - physics.byu.edu
ABSTRACT
In writing this paper, I call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by damage and fires, but through the use of pre-positioned explosives. I consider the official FEMA, NIST, and 9-11 Commission reports that fires plus damage alone caused complete collapses of all three buildings. And I present evidence for the explosive-demolition hypothesis, which is suggested by the available data, testable and falsifiable, and yet has not been analyzed in any of the reports funded by the US government.
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(check out the whole paper and references)
New book, 9-11: Tragedy & Treason, Blows the Lid Off the Government Story! - Melbourne Indymedia
I believe WTC collapses to be due to controlled
demolition are:1. My own analysis of the "pancaking" floors model (the FEMA/NIST model) combined with Conservation of Momentum considerations gives a much longer time for the fall (over 10 seconds) than that which was actually observed for WTC-7 (about 6.3 seconds, just over the free-fall time of 6.0 seconds). I find no evidence in their reports that government researchers (FEMA, NIST, 9-11 Commission) included Conservation of Momentum in their analyses.
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(check out all 8 points)
Jones references work copiled by Jim Hoffman and Eric Huffschmid in his lengthy paper on byu.edu. This could be a very important addition to those in the science community who have given speeches and lectures on the physics of the WTC 'collapses' such as Jim Hoffman(911research.wtc7.net) and Jeff King(MIT).
Now is the time for others in the science community that feel this same way to harden their beliefs and announce their opinions as well.
Check it all out, post some comments.
Thanks Barry for the heads up, and thanks deseretnews.com for publishing this!
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He held a seminar at BYU on
He held a seminar at BYU on 9/22/05 with 50 people attending. His own appraisal of the seminar is interesting, and can be found at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo...
What a great article!
What a great article! Obviously highly influenced by Jim Hoffman who deserves much credit for keeping 911 uncomfortably under everyone's nose.
One of these days this things gonna bust loose!
In the last week or two, I have seen a couple of music videos regarding 911 which were pretty well done - exactly the kind of thing that spreads around the Net like a virus. Now, this article from a professor of physics who is publishing a peer reviewed paper on the subject. It's the best I've ever felt about awareness growing and us eventually getting to the heart of the matter.
Plus, I wonder who that
Plus, I wonder who that woman 9/11 survivor is who made the comment about the "surprises ahead" about fire bringing the building down.
Ignore that "homepage," some
Ignore that "homepage," some glitch here.
Niiiiiice!!
Niiiiiice!!
ausome.. got this run on
ausome.. got this run on rawstory.com :)
help spread the word of this article!
I just came here to post
I just came here to post that, DZ :
Raw Story's front page:
Prof: Bombs, not planes toppled WTC
Brigham Young prof: Speed of World Trade Center's collapse suggests bombs.
This is f-ing HUGE!!! By far the biggest 9-11 related story they've put on their website. On Veterans day too. WOW.
And this: BYU Forms New
And this:
BYU Forms New Theory About 9/11 Attacks
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_314234334.html
© MMV, CBS Broadcasting
Its 12:10 est. right now.
Its 12:10 est. right now. The Prof will be a guest on Alex Jones today in about 5-10 minutes (i think). Here's a link to listen over GCN's streams:
http://gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm
If you can't get in there, try this link:
Revere Radio Networks Free Live GCN Stream (Thanks To Robb Revere)
http://rs4.radiostreamer.com:8380/listen.pls
FUCK YEA!!!!(sorry dz but
FUCK YEA!!!!(sorry dz but foul language is called for here on this one). I was so disgusted after listening to that Paul Isaac interview last nite with him cementing lies about fires causeing the "collapses". This is the kind of information we need to focus on and I completely agree with Steven Jones on the "pod theory" not helping our cause. Even if there is something that looks unusual in the videos it is completely inconclusive and only provides propoganda pushers like Popular Mechanics something to work with. We all need to get in touch with Steven Jones and let him know were standing with him and will do everything we can to get his message out to everyone possible. I think a 911 truth tour of the USA with Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Jim Hoffman , and Webster Tarpley (possibley others) would have what it takes to break this out to our communities. We need a printed report with supporting pictures and video presentations available at cost to get this out worldwide. Hopefully this can give others in the scientific community some courage to join the movement. Still think Mike Ruppert is correct about disproveing the "official" story of the "collapses" being impossible? Will Ruppert use FTW to give this man a larger voice? Ruppert and the likes are not getting a penny from me.
Paul Isaac cementing the
Paul Isaac cementing the theory that "fires" caused the collapses???
Damn, they got to him. I take it you listened to Rense last night.
When those firefighters start dropping dead, or become too weak from cancer, they may wish they made a stand when they did.
Fantastic news! I saw this
Fantastic news! I saw this at RawStory.com just now as well -- now, that indeed is a big help. Congratulations dz for getting the story on that site! I sent the story to Buzzflash.com too and will send it to truthout as well, but don't expect them to cover it -- not yet anyway. I don't believe they're left gatekeepers, but they seem to steer clear of 9/11 truth, and that's very disappointing. But, hey, we got RawStory!! :-)
The article mentions that
The article mentions that Jones has an article coming out in an Elsevier (academic) book titled "The Hidden History of 9/11." Normally, articles aren't books. Does anyone know what other articles are in this new book coming out? p.s. nice going dz
A L E R T: Prepare for the
A L E R T: Prepare for the next distraction! T H E Y're going to have to "pull" something after this shite!
DZ you are the man. You
DZ you are the man. You should see if you can add that Alex Jones interview to your site. I know you have done it a couple times in the past when he had Griffin on so obviously you have the connection. Thanks again for this killer info!
I listened to the interview
I listened to the interview with the prof on A Jones. Recall, you can hear it again on the rebroadcast tonight ~9:15 - 10:15 CST (that's the time frame he was on).
He comes off as a "gentlemanly scholar" ala DR Griffin, and that TX A&M prof who's name escapes me right now.
Separately, think about linking to this Capital Hill Blue article, "GOP memo touts new terror attack as way to reverse party's decline"
http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3407
Ooops here's the source link
Ooops here's the source link to the Cap Hill Blue article I mentioned above:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7639.shtml
Poopy, excellent -- I hadn't
Poopy, excellent -- I hadn't seen that article. I'll post it over at the Rigorous Intuition board -- http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition
Any chance of a recording of
Any chance of a recording of the interview anyone?
The Prof. Jones interview on
The Prof. Jones interview on Alex Jones was recorded and posted over at this torrent site:
http://tracker1.conspiracycentral.net:6969/
need bittorrent client to download.
the capitolhillblue link was
the capitolhillblue link was posted yesterday and is about 5 links down on the main page..
alex jones has posted some further background info on Steven Jones including his bio here:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/professor_reports_wtc_destroyed_...
as for the archive of alex jones' interview with Steven Jones i will definately get it and share it.. unfortunately only yesterday is available so far, but i will get it this weekend..
i will be out of pocket though for the next 2 days (i know, great timing), but i know there are others here who can track down the interview.. if not then expect it sunday night when i am back.
this is great stuff, keep spreading the word, and lets hope we turn on a whole new segment to researching 9/11.
head over to
head over to CrooksandLiars.com and go to the Able Danger thread. there is a jackass there named actor212 who does everything he can to attack anyone who suggests 9/11 was an inside job.
I just checked out WING TV
I just checked out WING TV since they push the controlled demolition thing. Sure enough they discuss Steven Jones on today's show. They were ecstatic about Mr. Jones's report. I know WING TV is quite controversial because they bad mouth everyone who doesn't agree with them. Some even suggest they are government "agents". I disagree. I think they are legit but I think Lisa is just a spoiled brat who is use to having everything her own way and her side kick Victor is nothing but pussy whipped. I could be wrong but that is my feeling. I just wish they would grow up.
WINGTV loses all credibility
WINGTV loses all credibility because they try to discredit EVERYONE in the 9/11 truth movement that isnt closely affiliated to them. thats why people think they are "agents",because they slander just about the whole movement.
Here's the audio for that
Here's the audio for that news interview... best I could do...
wing tv can't possibly be
wing tv can't possibly be govt. agents if they push the controlled demolition theory...right?
JAYBIRD sed: " I think a 911 truth tour of the USA with Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Jim Hoffman , and Webster Tarpley (possibley others)..."
-- what a perfect target for a 'terrorist attack' that would be...
Here is a draft of Steven
Here is a draft of Steven Jone's work:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Re WingTV, a few weeks ago
Re WingTV, a few weeks ago Ruppert had an article pleading for donations to get his new video out (title was, SOS something something), and went into some detail about things in his personal life and FTW's staff having been infiltrated at some point, and the mole was removed back in Feb or so this year.
The SOS article/plea's gone now, so the details escape me, but he did at one point go into a story of Vic/Lisa/WingTV, and how it appeared Lisa could just pick up the phone and the FBI would call and harrass whomever she fingered. He pointed to an indymedia site which had an mp3 recording of a harrassing FBI phone call made to another 911-truther about some nonsense I forget. I guess you'd need to read this Ruppert article for these details, which is not possible at least at FTW, but it made sense. Anyone else see it?
Vic/Lisa's schtick is hollow and transparent.. from their clown clothes to their catty Jr. High style "personalities". They try to achieve a Wayne's World amateur underground look and feel, yet it's strangely well funded, with musical collages "always free" (as streaming video bandwidth *is* always free, right?)-- allegedly all on the side as Vic has a day job- he's just workin his fingers to the bone gettin the truth out, you know. Fugedaboudit, they're a gummit black op. Go to rense.com and search "WingTV" for several past articles debunking their shit.
WING TV – THE ATTACK
WING TV – THE ATTACK POODLES
Thorn and Guliani have basically placed themselves in the wackiest of the wingnut regions of Internet. Even a casual read of their site leaves one incredulous at the lack of documentation, consistency and/or ethical standards.
But where I am the victim of ongoing criminal actions and can seemingly get no assistance from law enforcement, all Lisa Guliani has to do is pick up a phone and the local FBI office starts making phone calls harassing other left-leaning activists who were trying to get Thorn to appear on their show. If you click on the linked loudspeaker emblem labeled “FBI call” you will actually hear the FBI agent calling up and fruitlessly trying to intimidate an activist on Guliani and Thorn’s behalf.
I can get to ask questions in Congress – for Congress – but I sure can’t get that kind of law enforcement support. Since when has one progressive activist ever sunk so low in a dispute with another activist as to send the FBI to intimidate them?
Tim Barker then wrote some really shameless and dishonest critiques of me for WING TV right after Sliffe abandoned her job. I will not reprint them here because to do so would unnecessarily injure third parties. Barker had his own Achilles heel that might have made him susceptible to pressure. As the son of a famous movie actress he hadnÂ’t paid taxes for years on the royalties from his motherÂ’s films and the IRS was actively looking for him. I wonder if he traded his back taxes for a friendship. He certainly traded his honor.
I have been told by two sources that Thorn recently said either on his show or in a public chat session that someone should assassinate me as a war criminal after leveling the same terrorist threat at the excellent 9/11 researcher/activist Nick Levis. I donÂ’t have time to look for it and I certainly am not flying to Pennsylvania on money I donÂ’t have to make a fruitless complaint to the FBI who wouldnÂ’t lift a finger to help me anyway. ThatÂ’s another unpunished crime.
I have noticed surveillance lately as I traveled to both Washington and New York in the last six months.
So there are many circles closing together here. I have more evidence but sometimes one doesn’t show one’s best cards until one has the proverbial “head shot” in a legal case. I’m sure the point is clear.
Again-I dont give a shit or
Again-I dont give a shit or support Wing TV. Im sorry I told dz about the Tarpley interview and I promise I will never mention Wing TV again. Pretty please everyone forgive me. Ill curl up in a little ball and be quiet for now on. It seems common sense that the goverment would have smarter people than those two idiots trying to steer the movement in any direction because they are so annoying noone takes them serious anyway. Maybe Im a mole too because I suggested Tarpley, Griffin, Hoffman, etc should do a USA truth tour so it would be convenient to whack them all at the same time. Yea- it would have been impossible for them to get to 911 truthers on the Europe tour Jimmy Walter put together monthes back. If we do the tour here it will save expenses since "were" on such a tight budget. I was looking forward to coming home and hearing feedback on todays big story that matters and all thats going on is Wing TV (How am I going to reestablish their credibility now?). I also dont dislike Ruppert but I feel I did raise some good points reguarding his motives on a couple issues. Ill take whatever positive contributions he makes to getting the word out just like everybody else. I was just kidding about being quiet for now on; aint gonna happen.
great site.
great site.
Would 911blogger consider
Would 911blogger consider being a jumping off point for activists who would like to email physics professors a copy of Steven Jones' article, plus the copy of the article about him?
911blogger.com should only serve as a place wherein readers could come an claim a college as "their own". They would then find the email addresses, send the emails and cc 911blogger.com
911blogger.com could then run a program which extracts these email addresses, which would then show who has gotten the emails.
The reason why 911blogger.com would not want to send these emails itself is, quite poassibly, it might get blacklisted as a spamming site.
Last night I listened to the
Last night I listened to the Mike Malloy Show on Air America. Mike, like us, believes that the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks. He discussed the Stephen Jones article on his show last night. You can download the show here. http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Malloy.html
Look for Friday November 11, show. Check it out.
Thanks guys, esp. Jon. Will
Thanks guys, esp. Jon. Will listen later on.
holy shit, this is amazing.
holy shit, this is amazing.
What a quack and a
What a quack and a hack!
Check it out at http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/
I suppose the government also planted a bomb on on the Cole killing 17 American sailors and maimimg dozens of others.
this story is over. steven
this story is over. steven jones has been gagged by BYU. no more interviews allowed on this topic....
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/38233.htm
who runs your country??
I was present at Steven E.
I was present at Steven E. Jones' presentation about 9-11 (at W. Cleon Skousen's home in Utah.)
Currently I am working on a webpage containing the information from a Power Point Presentation that Professor Jones made and showed to us.
http://www.brmecham.com/911
Don't bash it until you've read it and seen all the videos.
It's been several weeks now
It's been several weeks now since I first stumbled upon Prof. Jones' report on 9 11. My initial impression was enthusiasm for hard science back up to theories that only seemed plausible and that I've come to associate with David Ray Griffin... and sue enuf there seems to be some interaction among these two field guides.
But where is the crescendo demanding a full inquiry? Has stealth apathy taken over?
george collins
OK. Who do we think is
OK. Who do we think is behind this if it is as the Prof says? The government?
How does this square with the fact that we know from phone calls made by those on board that the flight that went down in PA and the one that hit the Pentagon were hijacked by Muslims who later were identified as Al Qaida operatives? Did the Government somehow convince them to cooperate with us to provide the spark that would start a war that would bring down the Taliban, give us a reason to attack Iraq and topple Saddam, and who knows what else that may eventually come of this? I know thqt the idiot Bushn is fiendishly clever, but this one stretches the imagination toi the breaking point.
Could it be that the good Prof is mistaken? After all, we don't have a great deal of empirical evidence about what happens when tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel are suddenly ignited in a huge skyscraper. While the Prof may be correct that this does exhibit some characteristics of a controlled demolition, I would be interested to see what empirical data he has that shows that the observed phenomena on 9/11 were diffierent than other similar disasters. Oops, I forgot, THERE ARE NO SIMILAR EVENTS TO COMPARE.
In response to "they got
In response to "they got him". Who got me? I haven't a clue what you're reffering to.
There was never any talk about"fires" bringing down the towers because I've presented to many researchers an news article from 1975 that noone has brought foward. It seems quite suspicious to me how many people and websites posted the false wingtv article that was writen about the WTC Memorial 05 event.
The remarkes that were posted by scott magufka are false. If you've seen the Loosechange 2nd edition you'll notice that I'm a little upset in the show. st off I was pissed off at the behavior of these people insulting the guest at the memorial and when some of the attending guest asked them to show respect for the day they began using profanity and one idiot had the gaulls to grabb his genitals to tell people to blow him. 3
Yeah, this kind of got my attention a bit as I then railed into these idiot and nearly started a riot to have these people removed and believe me I don't work for any group just the people and the victims of 911.
So I fail to see how you heard me say anything on the issue of "fire" when the topic on rense was about me stopping the bomb threat before 911 and getting dismissed from the NYPD for protecting hundreds of people in midtown manhattan.
Hey, NYPD Det Eric Berganthal remember me from beforwe 911 when I told all of you to get your head out of your asses, you said "it wouldn't happen again"
I told you so.
Another funny thing is the Breakfornews website that I've been trying to get on seems to take forever to get access granted from the owners of theis site.
They must be worried about also posting the BS article too, I guess.
Take care everyone and be safe.
Paul Isaac Jr
Rsqsrvs@yahoo.com
Paul Isaac jr
In regards to the articles
In regards to the articles on the 75 fire there was fullforce fire blowing out the windows in the north tower. The fires took out 6 floors and there were 30 firemen taken to the hospital for heat and smoke condition.
If JPF4 plane feul is simular to kerosene then this should be taken into precausion for the dangers relating to all the home kerosene heaters that are going to melt the flimsey alluminum siding even worse there are some with plastic. LOL.
Two months before 911 CDI did a controlled Demolition at the "Keyspan/ENRON" Maspeth Holder Tanks. The tanks were 400ft high on 911 when the south tower began to collapse it started with the tilt that was 400ft high. Jeff Skilling former ENRON CEO tried on September 6 2001 to drop about 200.000 shares of ENRON stock.
Another thing is the reason the north tower was hit higher was to take into account the 105 MER floor and the 350ft antenna. It was 411ft from the tip of the antenna to the 105fl MER floor. The impact at the 93-96 was to despablize the south east corner of the building to controll the desent of the antenna which fell in the pile on tobins plaza thee same as the south tower.
Nice clean crimminal negligent homicide.
So again, Whos' got me?
GOD Bless
Paul Isaac Jr
Rsqsrvs@Yahoo.com
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Jones also offers evidence
Jones also offers evidence that Christ visited ancient America. Some guy (Jones, not Christ!)
http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext%20and%20figure...
I spent the day reading
I spent the day reading through this site looking for an interesting answer to what happened on 9-11.
The theory of explosives being planted on the floors isnt logical.Cant we come up with something better? I dont see it.