Bush Authorized Domestic Spying Before 9/11
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011306Z.shtml
The National Security Agency advised President Bush in early 2001 that it had been eavesdropping on Americans during the course of its work monitoring suspected terrorists and foreigners believed to have ties to terrorist groups, according to a declassified document.
The NSA's vast data-mining activities began shortly after Bush was sworn in as president and the document contradicts his assertion that the 9/11 attacks prompted him to take the unprecedented step of signing a secret executive order authorizing the NSA to monitor a select number of American citizens thought to have ties to terrorist groups.
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On orders from Defense Department officials and President Bush, the agency kept a running list of the names of Americans in its system and made it readily available to a number of senior officials in the Bush administration, these sources said, which in essence meant the NSA was conducting a covert domestic surveillance operation in violation of the law.James Risen, author of the book State of War and credited with first breaking the story about the NSA's domestic surveillance operations, said President Bush personally authorized a change in the agency's long-standing policies shortly after he was sworn in in 2001.
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"The program appears on its face to violate existing law," wrote the scholars of constitutional law, some of whom worked in various senior capacities in Republican and Democratic administrations, in an extraordinary letter to Congress that laid out, point by point, why the president is unauthorized to permit the NSA to spy on Americans and how he broke the law by approving it.
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According to the online magazine Slate, an unnamed official in the telecom industry said NSA's "efforts to obtain call details go back to early 2001, predating the 9/11 attacks and the president's now celebrated secret executive order. The source reports that the NSA approached U.S. carriers and asked for their cooperation in a 'data-mining' operation, which might eventually cull 'millions' of individual calls and e-mails."
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What? Everybody didn't jump
What? Everybody didn't jump on this?
Want 2 cents Jon? I say fu*k
Want 2 cents Jon? I say fu*k em. Let them spy. I think all this survealance propaganda is mind control to inspire paranoia in whatever percentage of Americans that will fall for it (alot Im sure). I always thought that scene in Michael Moores F-911 with the old people talking about there encounters with CIA for things such as eating cookies with their peace group or talking about the war at the local gym was a Jedi mindtrick. Fear is their weapon only if your afraid. I say they are outnumbered. We still have the guns. The day they try to change that is the day you will see all the sheep who call you a a conspiracy nut out in the steets popping caps in some ass (includeing your 89 year old rat-faced Grandma). In America we have the rite to beleive whatever we want but know nothing. This freedom has worked for decades and will continue in the future. As long as were allowed to pretend were living in a free country all the easier to keep the average sheep grazeing. Let THEM knock on my door. We can watch Painfull Deceptions together.
good post bud.... i feel the
good post bud.... i feel the same way... never thought about it like that but youre right!!!!
thanks
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I say use it as a tool. Why
I say use it as a tool. Why would Bush need to spy on us before 9/11? Go ahead, ask someone that. If there were "terrorists" involved, albeit patsy "terrorists", they could have coorindated the events of 9/11 around these supposed "terrorists"... by listening in to their phone conversations. Or... if you don't want to go down that route, make the point that Bush was checking to see if anyone was on to their little scheme. Either way, this is an incredibly important piece of information.
Make a deal with Saudi
Make a deal with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel, or Britain to supply some people to board a few airplanes. Find some people who have links to drug trafficking, someone already familiar with "flying". People who have received "Flight Training". People who are expendable. You only need a few. Get them to board those airplanes thinking they're taking part in a "drug scheme" or something to that affect. Since we've been listening in on phone calls, we can monitor dates, times, flights, and so on. Get a few "agents" on those planes. People like the Mossad agent that was supposedly on one of them. Someone to kill the pilots, and anyone who oppose them. Rewire the autopilot to take commands from the ground, and parachute out of those planes before they hit. During the event, you run wargames that confuse the response. Maybe, if you're already in the middle of "Live Fly" hijacking drills, you're in a position to take control of these planes. Also, you're waiting for an order to intercept that never comes because Donald Rumsfeld didn't give it. Wire the buildings with explosives to destroy any evidence of who might have been flying those planes. Remove any evidence before it can be inspected. After everything is said and done, blame the events on the individuals, or "patsies" you managed to get on the plane. Tell only partial truths about flight training, etc... create the illusion of "Terrorism", and do everything within your power to cover it up.
How's that for a "theory"?
We all know that the "war on
We all know that the "war on terror" is bogus, but the sheeple feel it is necessary because of 9/11, and therefore would not oppose spying on anyone and everyone for any reason whatsoever.
However, if you show the sheeple, that they were doing this before 9/11, they suddenly have no argument, so this article is good for that reason.
Besided how much forewarning do they need to prevent a terrorist attack? If they couldn't piece together the multitude of warnings before 9/11 to prevent an attack, what makes them think spying on average everyday Americans will do anything to prevent it in the future.
All i can imagine hearing
All i can imagine hearing from people is "yea..well with the warnings you say they had maybe they were just trying to do there job preventing this thing trying to pick up information wire tapping".
Why bother killing anyone on
Why bother killing anyone on the planes if you can take control from outside the planes? No fight-no mess. Why concern yourself with possibley haveing to fight patsies once they realize they have been tricked. This is all stuff we are never going to know. Its just something for those of who actually care to talk about since noone else really wants to hear it or think about these possibilities. I dont mean to discourage Im just really frustrated with the people I have put great effort and patience into educateing who simply dont care. Its a mad world. Glad I have you dudes to talk to actually.
I dont mean to discourage Im
I dont mean to discourage Im just really frustrated with the people I have put great effort and patience into educateing who simply dont care. Its a mad world. Glad I have you dudes to talk to actually.
JAYBIRD | 01.14.06 - 10:38 am | #
i know what you mean. it can be depressing at times. having people who understand where you're coming from helps a great deal. I feel like i'm on another planet sometimes.
rayray no doubt brother. I
rayray no doubt brother. I never thought my perception of life would turn into the "They Live" movie.