Alex Jones, Professor Jones, they're both heroes in my book. Btw, anyone else noticed some very stark 9/11 truth references in some prime time animated shows? Particularly American Dad and The Boondocks. Maybe it's the mainstream picking up on popular conspiracy fodder?

well, you guys just had your own little 911 last year... maybe you should start with that to get people to look into it...

i think we are running out of time fast so the more people that know the truth in the UK the better...

I recommend this one:

http://www.rense.com/general69/cddd.htm

God bless America!

pockybot, what 9/11 truth reference was in American Dad? i saw the Boondocks commercial,that was great, i also have a Boondocks strip from about a year ago where Huey yells at some guy that there were explosives in the towers.

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7904

Some wargames taking place...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7911

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7910

What kind of crazy fool would believe in "Peak Oil". I don't see any evidence of it. Oil bubbles up from the core of the earth and there is an infinite supply of it.

Michael Ruppert is just lucky that all of his predictions are coming true and CNN is just unluckey that they keep interviewing Frank Gaffney.

Anybody got any Euros they would sell me?

Thanks,

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no need to call those who beleive in 'peak oil' fools.. if you disagree post references, but no need for name calling.. those on both sides of the issue deserve the ability for friendly discussion, not pointless bashing.

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What kind of crazy fool would believe in "Peak Oil". I don't see any evidence of it. Oil bubbles up from the core of the earth and there is an infinite supply of it.

Michael Ruppert is just lucky that all of his predictions are coming true and CNN is just unluckey that they keep interviewing Frank Gaffney.

Anybody got any Euros they would sell me?

Thanks,

Ed
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Edward Rynearson, I assume that's intended as sarcasm.

I don't know what predictions of Michael Ruppert you're referring to when you say "all of his predictions are coming true," but when one spews a globalist elite agenda such as the odious "Peak Oil" scam then it's not difficult for one's predictions to come so-called "true" on the major media surface, since the globalist elite are working quite hard to manufacture the world chaos which they require to usher in their own brand of so-called "order." Perhaps you would care to elaborate on what predictions you are referring to, specifically.

But if you want to go down the road of predictions demonstrating a commentator's credibility, then Alex Jones blows Michael Ruppert out of the water every which way from Monday and back again to Sunday. Alex Jones has been speaking out against government-staged terrorism a lot longer than 9/11, and Alex has been doing a lot of the hard leg-work such as his infiltration of Bohemian Grove, where he video-taped the ruling elite's obsession with dark, occultic rituals, and his video-taping of a number of U.S. military training drills in working with U.N. soldiers in confiscating U.S. citizen's firearms and rounding us up into FEMA camps (of which drills were video-taped before the 9/11 attacks). Alex Jones was saying many years before the 9/11 attacks that the U.S. government is going to stage more terrorist attacks in order to usher in the globalist's self-termed New World Order.

Alex Jones was saying two months before the 9/11 attacks that the globalist elite were going to attack the city of New York and blame it on CIA asset Osama bin Laden. Alex Jones had a campaign in July into September 2001 asking people to call the White House and Congress to tell them that we know that the U.S. government is planning to carry out terrorist attacks in order to blame CIA asset Osama bin Laden, and Alex called this campaign "Operation Expose the Government Terrorists."

Below you can see video of a July 25, 2001 Austin, Texas cable access show of Alex Jones talking about his Operation Expose the Government Terrorists:

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/video/260804alexwarns.WMV

As well, Alex Jones was saying that the 9/11 attacks were a government-staged attack on day one, i.e., on the very day of September 11, 2001 itself. (Even I was saying this same thing that very morning to my coworkers at the time, even though I had only heard about the first plane strike via the mainstream media radio on my drive to work, and only heard about the rest that morning second hand from my coworkers. But then, I was already quite well educated about the Luciferian New World Order of the New Age.)

Alex Jones has done more for the 9/11 truth movement than anyone. Indeed, no one else even comes anywhere remotely close to Alex Jones when it comes to this. But that's because he is educated about the whole New World Order agenda, whereas many of the people posting on this blog are still naïve babes who are easily deceived by government propaganda. They don't realize that what is occuring now has been in the works for a long, long time.

And so such naïve babes fall for the government propaganda that we're all going to drop dead any second now unless the government steps in to run all our lives, necessitating massive increases in funding, power, and control for the government. Whether it has to do with the "Peak Oil" scam or the phoney "environmental" movement, such naïve dupes just eat it up. They don't comprehend that the 9/11 attacks have little to do with the Bushes or the neo-conmen. The globalist elite can throw such puppets away like a used condom and the agenda will still move forward. But the naïve babes believe in the fairy tale told to them growing up, that if they can just get the "right" people into office, and get the "baddies" out, then things will be better.

Such naïve babes have a very short outlook, politically speaking. Whereas the globalist elite play them like a fiddle, and in the chess board of life are many moves ahead of them. That's because such naïve dupes have had their entire Weltanschauung shaped since birth by the ruling elite, and the ruling elite have put in place many seemingly different political avenues which all lead to the same end.

The worst thing that ever happened to the cause of liberty was and is so-called public "education" (i.e., miseducation). This most definitely includes the universities (as well as so-called "private" schools), which are beholden to government. The Prussian-model miseducation system has worked very well for the ruling elite. Add to that the mass media and it becomes very hard for people to break out of their conditioning and see the entire picture.

As well, I don't merely claim that the "Peak Oil" scam is a globalist elite scam, I *prove* it, up one side and down the other. For just a tip of the massive iceberg of the hardcore evidence proving that, see the below article by me:

"The 'Peak Oil' Scam," December 5, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54&mforum=libertyandtruth

The "Peak Oil" scam is nothing more than an globalist elite agenda to psychologically prepare the masses to accept genocide, eugenics, and enforced population reduction (i.e., murdering off segments of the world's population), all on a massive scale.

Naïve babes eat up the globalist elite's "Peak Oil" scam because they have been indoctrinated by the de facto nationalized mass media and the government's miseducation system (which includes so-called "private" schools and the universities) in the dogma of the phoney "environmental" movement, which was created and is funded by the globalist elite. This Gaia earth-worshiping, we're-all-going-to-drop-dead-any-momement-unless-the-government-steps-in-to-save-us crap is even in the children's TV cartoons, not to mention their school curriculum. The governments of the world have done a great job in scaring the living shit out of the masses with this crap, and naïve babes posting on this website can't get their heads around the fact that their entire Weltanschauung has been manufactured by the globalist elite. Yeah, you may take pride in yourselves that you have some "anti-establishment" viewpoints, but if you're promoting this Malthusian crap then you're still playing right into their hands.

In addition to my above demolition of the globalist elite's "Peak Oil" scam, see also the below exceedingly informative article:

"David Ray Griffin Responds & So Do I, (With Links on 'Sustainable Development' Scam)":

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze25x9n/id25.html

The government has not the slightest desire to suppress ideas that the world is headed for apocalyptic global warming, or apocalyptic global cooling, or apocalyptic polution of the environment, or apocalyptic shortage of oil, or apocalyptic viruses, or apocalyptic terrorists trying to kill us all, or an apocalyptic U.S.S.R. (or Iraq, or now Iran) waiting to nuke us, or an apocalyptic invasion from outer space, or any other similar apocalyptic ideas. It's the government that invents, promotes and funds such ideas in the first place. What better way to massively socially re-engineer world society than to convince the masses that the sky is going to fall at any near moment unless the government steps in to run all our lives, requiring massive increases in funding and power for the government in the process.

James, regardless of whether or not "Peak Oil" is true, the world is acting like it.

I took Ed's comment as well-intended sarcasm :)

James, go on and start your own oil company if you believe that the current oil companies are all in one huge conspiracy and won't pump the oil out of ground to keep up with the increasing demand. You are not alone so why don't you act together and put your "knowledge" into money? You could get rich, I'm sure there are many people who would happily buy your cheap oil while the conspirators try to sell their ever more expensive oil. Let's just hope that the talk about the relationship between the use of hydrocarbons and global warming is just another elite agenda when the market is filled with your cheap oil for centuries onwards...

It has become clear that Professor Doctor Steven Jones is the latest member of a group which is attempting to perpetrate a limited hangout disinformation campaign (ie, infofraud) on us all regarding the true nature of the events of 9/11.

OF COURSE some kind of explosives (but not "thermite"), plus gravity, brought the towers down!

Butit is just plain nonsense for Dr. Jones to expect us to believe that conventional chemical reactions (ie, "conventional explosives" or "thermite") were sufficient to cause the humongous release of heat energy and immense production of incredibly fine powdery dust which occurred immediately following the collapses.

Dr. Jones: please stop acting stupid on us.

Just like the RobinoHoff gatekeeping machine, Dr. Jones is working overtime coming up with bogus explanations in an attempt to keep more logical -- and revealing unconventional -- explanations from ever entering people's minds.

One needn't be a professor of physics to recognize that "controlled demolition" cannot possibly even begin to account for the observed facts:

1. The impossibly/incredibly fine powdery dust. Too much of it was too small ("nanoparticles"!) for it to have been produced by trauma from conventional explosive forces.

2. The molten metal found weeks after the demolition. Apparently Dr. Jones is now hard at work on some kind of "insulation theory" to try to account for what is, according to his theory, unaccountable.

3. The huge pyroclastic dust cloud. Once again, Dr. Jones is clearly seen to be pursuing a nonsensical theory. That dust cloud contained way too much energy for it to be explained away by even the over-exuberant-use of conventional chemical explosives -- such an explanation simply does not fit the observed facts any more than does the government's "gravitational collapse" theory!

4. The fires which subsequently burned for 99 days despite constant dousing with water. Again, this well-documented fact flies in the face of the "work" of Dr. Jones, who is straining himself and credulity in trying to ascribe conventional explanations to a most highly unconventional event.

The above evidence constitutes the signature of some kind of plasma weapon (perhaps like what has been referred to as a "tactical [non-nuclear] nuke"). Industry has harnessed this destructive plasma energy into a reusable waste disposal appliance, but we're not supposed to be able to recognize that the military has such technology at its disposal?

People who canont connect such highly connectable dots may not deserve to have our stolen Constitution back.

After having spoken repeatedly with Doctor Jones, it is extremely difficult to imagine that he does not know better.
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911blimp, do you believe holograms and plasma ray guns were used as well?you think WE are dis-info?

obviously having differing opinions, and adding to jones' work through conventional means of discussion are much less worthwhile than just bashing the hell out of him.. seems to be the motive operandi of some people..

i bet you disagree with Jones' opinion on God as well, perhaps he is disinfo in that fact as well?

by your definition of 'limited hangout' we would be best off for pretty much everyone who has come out in support of demolition theories to have kept their mouth shut.. when people focused on attacking do so they discourage others from being active in the field, and that is a lot worse than simply disagreeing with your opinion.

Nice attempt at avoidance/distraction/misdirection, you two, but please try to stay on-topic with your replies.
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911blimp... who in the 9/11 Truth Movement do you support? Who's work? That's not too much to ask for, is it?

i didnt realize the topic of this thread was steven jones until you brought him up.

i dont have anything to add to your off-topic rant other than to say that it is alot more important that jones and others come out and state their opinions for controlled demolition than to bash them over exactly what chemical was used to do it.. and i dont see what makes your opinion anymore important than jones' or hoffmans.

seems like a waste of time distraction to argue over minute points that you bring up given the larger point they are trying to make.. of course you could argue they are avoiding the real use of plasma as part of a nefarious plot, but anyone who risks their neck to state the buildings came down from controlled demolition deserves more respect than someone who continuously issues hateful statements to others in the community..

his opinion is that a chemical like thermite could have been used, he doesnt state he knows it as a fact.. you on the other hand do state your opinion as fact, and that anyone who disagrees is a limited hangout government plant.. get over yourself.

911blimp is clearly a WingTV type guy, he wants to destroy the movement from the inside with his attacks on fellow 9/11 truth seekers. the guy constantly attacks others in the movement, its a real pain in the ass if you ask me.if anyone is a dis-info agent, it would be someone going on about holograms and plasma rays.Edited By Siteowner

man.. wish i could close a thread sometimes.. ;)

that's enough everyone..

dz,

Why do you dismiss huge, well-enumerated, theory-breaking facts as "minute points"? And how does it seem "like a waste of time distraction" to consider the well-enumerated Jones-theory-busting points (one by one)? And why would you ascribe, using a criminologist's term, ulterior motivations to a scientific debate? How could/would I (want to) add to Jones' faulty work? How is it a good thing for Jones to add another layer of lie to The Big Lie? (Why do you consider Jones' conventional ill-fitting hypotheses 'good' but my unconventional thoughts and related testable hypotheses somehow undiscussably 'bad' and cause for you to so virulently/distractively/divisively/personally attack in response?)

(What is the motivation for people who wish to keep all unconventional explanations for unconventional events from ever entering people's minds?)
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1. We had a very unconventional event(s) occur on 9/11.

2. We have a government who's put forth and built upon an enemy-creating impossible conventional explanation for it.

3. We have a self-righteous, vehement, slandering/libeling/labeling/marauding large gang within the 9/11 truth movement which uses lies, omissions, distortions, ridicule, social pressures, etc, to try to keep any and all thoughts of unconventional explanations from ever entering people's minds. Repeatedly. Consistently. Year-in, year-out. That is now-clearly their mission.

4. We have a still-unsolved mass murder case on our hands.

Probably all just a coincidence?
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I'll get over myself, dz, when you (who runs a self-proclaimed non-side-taking site) come down off your high horse and tell us why you prefer to cheer for Jones' theory (which fits the facts only 1 iota better than does the government's impossible theory) even as you dismiss out of hand my well-stated, far superior, easily-testable theory which so elegantly connects 4 otherwise-unconnected dots (plus the 5th of the GroudZero victims' respiratory deaths from the nanoparticles which enter victims' lungs but don't come out).

By the way, Jones' so-called theory does not prove anything significant beyond what is already established by the non-theoretical proof published at 911blimp.net (we never needed a superior theory before long-ago rejecting an impossible one!), given the fact that "thermite" and "conventional explosives" and "controlled demolition" cannot account for what was observed/recorded/documented on 9/11 anyway.

A good scientist knows that it is far easier to tear down a theory than to come up with one. That is why it is most efficient and effective to tear down the government's theory without trying to advance any more of our own than necessary. It would be hypocritical of me to reject the government's theory because it is inadequate and impossible but to embrace Jones' because it is slightly less inadequate and impossible to account for what happened.

So I do not understand why some people want to see Doctor Jones waste everyone's time trying to advance/prove some ill-fitting explains-nothing-interesting conventional "thermite" theory of his -- I recognize it for being a part of the limited hangout disinfo campaign in which we are all immersed and to which Doctor Jones' work is contributing. (And people who cannot contain themselves over that observation of mine just might be personally involved in the big RobinoHoff gatekeeping machine to which I referred in my original post in this thread, above.)

I will not make an opinionated personal counter-attack on Chris, but I will point out that I'd never heard of any "plasma ray guns" until he brought it up as he did, so I remain ignorant of such devices.
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i dont see how your 5 point list above and your plasma link can be considered as 'well-stated, far superior' or 'easily-testable'.. i see it as a quick beratement against Jones with little substance other than your opinion and your attacks..

as for being biased, or cheering Jones' theory.. i cheer those that risk their neck to come out in support of 9/11 skeptics.. i dont cheer him because i beleive in his opinion on thermite versus plasma or nuclear devices, we covered him because he came out on the subject of demolition, and because it was news worthy for the 9/11 community.

if you disagree with him that is great, I really don't care if you agree or disagree, nor would I judge you for your opinion. most of the 9/11 community is split on a variety of subjects.. but you can at least be somewhat respectful to other's opinions instead of your continually accusational tones..

btw, i didnt say at any point your opinion was 'bad', or that i preferred jones' opinion either.. read my comments again. my issue was your need to attack in stating your opinion.

if you would like to write up a newsworthy, well referenced report espousing your opinions and submit it we would be glad to cover it, but providing you a forum to post spiteful and intentionally arguement-provoking comments is not something we will continue to do.

You do a good job of mislabeling facts as opinions here. That serves the disinfo and we-can-never-be-sure-about-anything crowds nicely. So I guess that might explain why you wouldn't care to ever see any argument-provoking comments in a comments section about a subject as controversial as 9/11...

"spiteful"?

That word applies to your posts better than it does to mine. Is it part of your nature (or your agenda or your what) to impart accusatory imagined non-scientific motives to a scientific debate?
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"argument-provoking comments"

Is that what you're good for blimpy?

blimpy, your first comment in this thread was, "It has become clear that Professor Doctor Steven Jones is the latest member of a group which is attempting to perpetrate a limited hangout disinformation campaign (ie, infofraud) on us all regarding the true nature of the events of 9/11."

Then you went on to say that the professor was the following, "stupid, a gatekeeper, bogus, unconventional, unaccountable, nonsensical, faulty, a liar, and limited hangout."

How is that debating?

no,hes good for pushing the plasma weapons and hologram theory.but yeah, WE are the dis-info agents.right.and why was my last comment edited?what did i say that was so wrong?

bah.. please leave this thread and drop it everyone.

blimp, the offer stands on posting an article from you on your opinion as long as it is well referenced and based on facts and analysis (not just opinion), and is not primarily inflamitory or attacking.