This must be their big news everyone's been waiting for, excellent!!!

Well, the comments on whatreallyhappend are not that weird I think. If kerosine would have trickled down, which it could have, it might have caused explosions. But it's one of those "maybey" issues.

What make's 9-11 a fraud in my book:

-The molten metal at ground zero, no way the planes caused this.

-the fire fighters saying they 'could knock the fires down with 2 lines', together with the picture/movie of the people standing IN the plane holes. So much for friggin' inferno.

-The speed of the falling buildings. There seems little resistance. Where has the supporting structure gone?

-The lack of action from the secret service, to take bush away. (like whatreallyhappend also advocates btw)

And building 7....I stil dunno. It looks like a demolition. But if you look at the falling towers, the top part of one of them turns while falling, and could have taken a chunk from building 7. There are 2 'rare' building 7 photos which show more damage then you often see on "building 7 sites"

No, the tower that tilted a little is the SOUTH tower, which was a hell of a long way from building 7; WTC7 was north of the towers, so the closest tower to it was the north tower.
Building 7 is a classic controlled demolition, the towers a newfangled type.
One of the important things about all the new revelations and evidence about the towers, the Jones thing, is that the phyiscal evidence case is now rock-solid. Previously, I had agreed with Ruppert in that the focus had to be on documented facts and statements, while physical evidence was a weak line because there could always be "experts" stacked up on the other side to contest you. No more, because we now have shitloads of WITNESSES of explosions, flashes, videos of them from diverse sources. I still think the issue of the stand-down, Bush not whisked away, documented US cooperation with the terrorists, the put options, the mass of forewarnings w/no extra preventive action, and other issues are the primary case for 9/11. And in our audiovisual-obasessed culture, watching the videos and "seeing it for yourself" is definitely sexier than analyzing Al-Qaeda as part of US geostrategy like Chossudovsky or Peter Dale Scott.
But now the physical evidence has accumulated to the point of critical mass.

The preponderance of evidence has spoken, anyone that believes the official story is a fool, and not worth wasting any time on.

that is well said! I just realized that it seems as if everyone is always waiting around for the next big piece of evidence as if that will tip the scales or turn the tide, but really, there is more than enough evidence already - the problem is the mcmedia - in my opinion they are the main obstacle to truth. if you read Holmgren and his theories the media are partners in crime - I think that if Holmgren is smart enough to figure out what he's figured out, then maybe he's smart enough to figure out how to circumvent the mcMedia?

Stunning piece of eyewitness testimony right there, great work!!! One of the reasons they must have wanted to damage all the other WTC buildings beyond repair, must have been so that Larry "pull-it boy" Silverstein could have his "All New WTC Complex" I recon. The weasley scumbag!

Good summary on the upcoming Iran war...

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4625

by the way, does anyone know when that photo was taken? didn't they spray water on the basements for at least a straight week? I don't see any firetrucks nor heavy equipment so does that mean it was taken before the firetrucks began their work?

Another birdseye view of WTC complex. I was curious as to how far debris had to travel to damage wtc7 and some of the other surrounding buildings. I've used 420' for the length of wtc5 from the FEMA report and extrapolated the other aproxiamate lengths from this distance using the measusing tool in Adobe Photoshop. Some debris appears to have been ejected 1082 ft (360 yds). That's one hell of a pancake. Feel free to use this image.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5564/wtcphotowithoverlay23yr.jpg

To me WTC 4, 5 6 are irrelevent ultimately, as they were too small and too close to the towers to ever really deduce what happened there. It is interesting that the top of the first tower to flal appears to look like its going to fall in the street, then gets sucked down into the rest of the building. There is a debate about why, if it was demo'd, you see it start to crumble from the plane impact down. Some say a plane impact would have destroyed or caused the eplosions to go off immediately. Others say the spped of the second plane caused the second tower to go down first. None of this explains how explosions rocked the sublevels way befopre any collapse, as smoke is seen rising fromt he sublevels. Im curious what professional demolishers would say, if asked how *they* would demolish the WTC 1 and 2 if they had to. What techniques. I think its possible, if not likely a new technique was used to bring towers one and two down. A new technique was needed for the twin towers, given how damn tall they were.
To me the pancake theory just doesnt hold water at all, and Im surprised to see so many so called experts forgetting basic Newton and Inertia laws.

Finally, even from the photos of WTC7 damage and billowing smoke that WTC7 sites dont usually like to show, there really is no indication at all that there is much internal damage. Buildings around the WTC towers had a hundred times worse damage,yet did not fall.

Here is an excerpt from the NIST Report on the collapse of the Twin Towers:

"The focus of the Investigation was on the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower. For brevity in this report, this sequence is referred to as the "probable collapse sequence," although it does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached. . . . [Our simulation treats only] the structural deterioration of each tower from the time of aircraft impact to the time at which the building . . . was poised for collapse" (80n, 140).

What that means is that once the buildings started falling, NIST stopped examining the processes that followed - including any possibility of controlled demolitions. This is why 9/11 critics have been screaming. These criticisms are about hard science, not wild imaginings. They are overdue. And, finally, people are giving themselves permission to question.

U.S. Prepares Military Blitz Against Iran's Nuclear Sites

Military analysts say price of war with Iran could be severe

BUSH MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO STRIKE IRAN... PERIOD

GET YOUR ASSES IN GEAR!!!

I just got word that Fremd High School in Palatine,IL will be haveing a 911 truth event this Thursday (2/16) at 7pm in the faculty study. Kevin Barrett from MUJCA-NET will be there for a 911 related discussion. They will be showing excerpts of "Painfull Deceptions", "911 Eyewitness", and "Denial Stops Here". I only found out today because a coworker is on some Democratic Party list that e-mailed him about the event. He is not a 911 truther but knows I am so I am planning to be there for sure. I went on MUJCA-NET and this event is not listed under current events so I sent him a message to post it as well as contact 911 BLOGGER with the event info. This event is free and they encourage bringing a friend so if anyone is in the area lets show them they need a bigger room. If anyone knows anything more please post it!

I'm beginning to see one of the major reasons why this administration hasn't been brought down yet on all the crimes they've committed.
They haven't fully achieved their goal.
However, once they achieve their goal, it'll be too late.
Maybe I'm just in a pessimistic mood tonight, but I don't see there being an immediate, carefully controlled solution to this problem.
If it were suddenly revealed to the masses over night that their country was stolen by a criminal neocon fascist/military industrial mechanism hell bent on global control and infinite wealth, there would be all kinds of panic.
Too many Americans out there are willing to compromise their freedoms so that they are guaranteed their creature comforts and a little stale crumb of the American pie.
Everybody's heard it before, ignorance is bliss, and there's no better way to describe the preferred behavioral pattern of the American masses at this time.

... music for effect ...
http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/apocalypse-number-nine.mp3

The MUJCA-NET Palatine,IL event is now posted on mujca.com if anyone needs details. I have low expectations anyone locally is reading this based on past posts here but Im looking forward to this. Ill let you know what happened next weekend. Palatine is in the Chicago area burbs.

New draft of Jones "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?":

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

I just posted this on Loose Change 2 forum and felt it should be posted here also.
I have been following the 911 events from the very day it happened. In the last month or so I was very encouraged with the 911 Truth movement, especially in light of Loose Change 2 and Prof. Jones research. I find myself checking a few sites many times a day. I read all the responds posted to the sites in their forums and blogs. I really thought the number of responds would have been at least many times greater. It appears most of the responds are from the same members over and over. I hoped that Loose Change 2 would have created a flood of new voices and opinions, but seems it hasn't to the point I hoped for. Everyone on the internet seems to be talking about the Loose Change 2 video, people are expressing "outrage" and "disgust" concerning the lies of 911. Why isn't these 911 Truth sites not getting thousands of thousands of hits. Even this forum has such a limited number of people responding, I just can't understand it! Even 911 Blogger.com seems to have the same people posting over and over, don't get me wrong it's great, but for change to take place we need more than 10 or 20 people a day posting or a few hundred checking out the site a day. I watched the Prof Jones video the other day and was so impressed with his presentation on FEB. 1, at BYU, I really believed thousands would have joined in to voice their feelings as I have. I have read everything I could find about Scholars for 911 Truth and all of Prof Jones articles concerning 911. He's research is so powerful, just like Dylan Avery's Loose Change 2, what more does it take to awaken the American public? Why aren't more people demanding a new independent investigation, has the vast majority of the country really "FORGOTTEN" already. I'm an unemployed union construction worker (thanks to so many "ILLEGAL" immigrates in New York not even being certified to do my trade)) , limited education, never voted and have never in my life thought of politics. Why is it that Loose Change 2 and Prof Jones video gets me totally insane about our government's obvious cover up of 911? I 'm totally confused, where are all those tens of millions of American flag wavers after 911 now! I believe this might be the only time in history where we can finally really change how our government functions. They murdered thousands of people and the evidence it right in front of our faces and only a few people wish to see it and worse wish to speak about it!
I really look up to all of those who are fighting so hard to bring "TRUTH" of 911 to the world. Thank You so much for all your efforts, but I'm starting to believe maybe even the "TRUTH" is enough, if this country doesn't act upon it!
Scaffold Rider - Louie

9/11-SCAFFOLDRIDER,

For me it took time to "go through the stages", for the neural synapses to realign, or whatever it is that happens in awakening to betrayal. Americans are also kept rather busy. Much easier to drop into alpha state than read or think. Contemplate that something like 90% of our print radio and broadcast media has consolidated over 15 years from around 50 controlling companies down to 5.

"Electronic media creates reality-- electronic media creates, your mind"
http://www.nuku.com/movies/android_00.swf

"This tube is the most awesome goddamn force in the whole godless world.
And woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people.
...
Because less than 3 percent of you people read books.
Because less than 15 percent of you read newspapers.
Because the only truth you know is what you get over this tube."
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechnetwork3.html

Apocalypse of Coercion: Why We Listen to What "They" Say About 9/11
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060106223849682

There is also the power of ridicule and conformity:
Asch conformity experiments
http://www.answers.com/topic/asch-conformity-experiments

I say: don't get hung-up on the sleepers; practice whatever form of advocacy you are called to. Just keep moving.

Thanks FrankV!
It's just so fustrating and sad! All I can do is move forward and hope! What should I expect, FEMA given $650,000 originally to investigate 911 and no WTC blueprints or subpeona power. Then we spend over 50 million to investigate the Clinton "cigar" case. All depends on who the "TRUTH" really benefits. Most people have no idea that a "complete" set of WTC blueprints were never given to the what was described as "the dream team of investigators in the world", til Jan. 8, 2002.
http://www.questionsquestions.net/documents2/wtc_obstruction.html

Take heart, my American brother. We may have to ride these hot rails to hell first. But the passion is awesome-- the Alliance is strong!

... music ...
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/areyouacitizen.mp3

I hear ya! Thanks for the links, I now have something new to check out! I just posted this on another 911 site and figured I post it here also. It's in respond to someone state Dylan Avery of Loose Change 2 will find himself on some government list!

"Dylan is already definitely on many government lists! They have to fear this young man because he has the power to reach the younger college crowd through his Loose Change 2 video. Last thing this government wants is our college minds to start
to understand the real truth of 911. If this video becomes the talk of college campuses then look out. If this movement catches on with these young people all hell will then break loose! Once these kids get a "fire" in them, it's almost impossible to put out!"

That's because it was more important to investigate Clinton's bj than investigate the single biggest attack on American soil.

The reason 9/11 truth is still 5 years later so tiny is because 1) people have moved on, forgetting everything Bush does today centers on 9/11
2. No mater how much they hat eBush, they are unwilling to even face the possibility theyve been lied to
3. It gets lobbed in erroneously with wild conspiracy theories, even tho a wide bulk are provable.

I have two sons. One goes to UC Berkeley
and the other goes to UC Davis. I just picked up a load of fliers and posters for our upcoming 9/11 Truth benefit in Oakland on the 23rd of Feb. I am going to have my sons post and hand them out on their campuses. We MUST get more young people involved. Just look at the impact Dylan and his friends have made.

S. King....

Have you ever considered bothered to research opposing views

ha. no time like the present! I would welcome a chance to read any opposing views and research! - by all means, post some right here in this comment section and I promise to not only read them, but comment on them as well! see how excited I am at the prospect? I actually used 4 exclamation points!

"Have you ever considered bothered to research opposing views and why people like Jones, Griifin, films like "Loose Change" don't hold up under scrutiny?

Do you realize that Prof. Jones hasn't actually revealed any "physics" despite being repeatedly asked to since he first came out with his paper?

Have you even considered that you may have been lied to?"

Of course I wonder. The point is there are certain laws of nature involved that are immutable and they are the keys to the puzzle. An object falling from a specific height cannot fall faster, nor slower than allowed by gravity. In parachuting, for example, a human being reaches a speed that is known as "terminal velocity" a speed that cannot be surpassed no matter what. The speed at which the complete towers fell did so at a rate that was constant with freefall. The 911 Comission Report rests it's entire case on something they call the "Pancake Theory", i.e. that each floor by it's sheer weight and velocity collapsed each floor below it. If this were the case the collapsing mass would encounter resistance in the form of another floor, another set of trusses, another series of moorings to the central columns fixed to the foundation. That resistance, regardless of the mass collapsing would translate into a slowing- however incremental that may be- of the speed at which an unimpeded collapse might otherwise take place.

Whatever the cause of the collapse of those three buildings, the theory offered as the official explanation is false.

9/11-SCAFFOLDRIDER,its the media.its really that simple.people watch CNN and ABC News etc.,and dont expect them to cover up something as disgusting and monumental as 9/11.you have to educate people about the media,and who owns them,why they lie/distort,and whos interests they really serve.once you fully educate someone about the media,they will start to wonder what they are not being told.that opens the door to 9/11 truth.i think every 9/11 researcher/activist needs to be clear about the media when trying to explain 9/11 to someone who still believes the "official" story.start with the media,then move on to 9/11,because in the end-MSM=federal government.

Anonymous wrote...

"That resistance, regardless of the mass collapsing would translate into a slowing- however incremental that may be- of the speed at which an unimpeded collapse might otherwise take place."

Do you believe 9/11 conspiracists' claims that the WTC towers fell at or improbably close to free-fall?