P-P-P-PRAVDA?!?!?!?

I'd have to disagree with one statement, the 9/11 attacks definitely were done by terrorist, the State Sponsored kind.

Off Topic,but still 9/11 related...

The Smoking Gun!

Photo of steel being excavated from debris 8 weeks after 9/11 glowing red/yellow hot.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9065/9118weekslater0wo.jpg

Taken frome Professor Jones' paper here:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

NO AIRLINERS INVOLVED IN 9/11 HITS

MAINSTREAM MEDIA HOAX

THE FAKED VIDEOS

Play any DVD or video of the South Tower impact and when the alleged Boeing 767 comes into view hit the pause on your remote and then single step until the "plane" is completely absorbed - enfolded - into the tower. You will - or certainly should - be absolutely positive that the video is a fake. See the animated, cartoon 767 MELT - there is no other word for it - into the building like a hot wire through butter. You will see no shuddering, vibration or crunching of the lightweight aluminium airframe as it slams into the exterior aluminium cladding, the many windows, the many high-grade-steel perimeter columns (one meter apart on center) and the many cross-trussed-steel-and-concrete floors; no crater-like indentation formed into the side of the tower; no breaking off or shearing of the wings or tail-fin - even the thin wing-tips slice through floors; and hear very little sound on impact, etc...etc. And you will certainly NOT see any "confetti" cascading down. (This confetti nonsense comes from a fighter jet being slammed head-on into a rigid three-meter-thick block of solid concrete - not a 65 ton airliner slamming into a building with many windows and designed to "give" slightly in high winds). As for the "official" version - puhleeze, don´t make me laugh.

Or go visit http://www.911hoax.com

Then, to see how the floors and exterior of the tower were constructed, go here: http://www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc_ch2.htm .

If anyone still isn´t convinced of its fakery, then they are truly brain-dead.

THE "LIVE" SOUTH TOWER HIT

Consider the LIVE footage where we see the SAME CNN (or CBS) feed - on ALL channels (don't forget these Zionist Bozos have already got together on "how to cover the next terrorist attack", and no doubt did so before 9/11). All we see for about TWO seconds is a silhouette - with no depth perception and reflected light, whatsoever - resembling an aircraft, travelling from west to east into the blazing sun, before it conveniently disappears behind the North Tower. The entire South Tower IS NOT SEEN. This live feed could easily have been delayed for x seconds before transmission - enough time for the techno-spooks to insert the artifact/animation, when they knew the rough location of the fireball. The artifact can, of course, be inserted in real time, anyway. This is BY FAR the VERY BEST angle - side on to the artifact at optimum distance (no detail) and a totally hidden South Tower - to deceive us. (And all set up in a choatic New York in less than 17 minutes! Miracles will never cease). But it comes at a price: the artifact in later doctored VIDEO transmissions has to execute a near-impossible (some pilots say impossible) banking maneuver for such a giant airliner, so that the angles, the artifact's "flight path", the explosion and the damage to the building, correlate.

After this "live" footage, OBVIOUSLY, ALL SUBSEQUENT TRANSMISSIONS ARE FROM VIDEO, some from different angles, which were, and are, continually being refined with each transmission (eg. the widening of the artifact's arc of approach and angle of attack from 2-3 o'clock to 1-2 o'clock as viewed from the north). All this can easily be done. When was a different "angle of attack" televised after that brief "live" hit? Not for many hours later. MINUTES are enough to accomplish the doctoring of all videos, from all angles.

All the "amateur" (my ass) videos have been thoroughly - and brilliantly - debunked by many specialists.

(As for the "WTC impact footage from WNYW" proclaimed by some, boy-o-boy, that sure is a Boeing 767 now ain't it? Well, robertsyourmothersbrother! Nosireebob.That could quite easily be a cruise missile or a flying turd just about to hit the device that consists of a series of vanes radiating from a hub rotated on its axle by a motor. Scores of technicians needed to pull off the caper? Bullshit. Just one outside broadcast van and crew will do.)

EYEWITNESSES/PHOTOGRAPHERS/TOURISTS/INDEPENDENT TV STATIONS, etc:

Assuming they didn't know from what direction the hit was coming, they had only SEVENTEEN MINUTES MAXIMUM to set up their gear in a chaotic NYC; and why would they be focusing on the SOUTH side of the SOUTH Tower? All the action was on the NORTH side of the NORTH Tower. 450mph = 220 meters per second, so they would have had very little time - SECONDS - to see, never mind locate and focus on, the missile from ANY southerly vantage point. What a miraculous CNN video that was! And good 'eavens Evan's! Et les "Naudet Freres"! C'est Impossible! You won the lottery thrice-over there, boyos. QUICK, TAKE A CAMERA SHOT OF THAT MISSILE, Y'ALL ! TOO LATE. YOU MISSED IT, BOYS.

As any psychologist will tell you, eyewitness testimony must always be taken with a dollop of salt, especially when - in shock and well after the event they are recalling - the meme of planes-planes-planes has been thoroughly implanted. And where were the 100+ Israeli spooks and FEMA that morning? I would bet my bottom dollar they were playing their roles as false-eyewitnesses (and fake-evidence planters) at the WTC - just like the ubiquitous, impossibly-located "Naudet brothers" - and at the Pentagon. Assume the missile (or no missile at all, just explosives in the building itself) comes in from the south. Most people are looking, if they are looking at all, directly at the gaping hole and smoke on the north side of the North Tower. So, like us watching the live transmission, they cannot possibly see it. Witnesses at ground level have hardly any chance of seeing it, even from the south, east, or west, what with all the obscured views and so little time; and they have no sound - certainly not the deafening roar a giant airliner, 250 meters away, flying at 450+ mph, would make in the thick air of Manhattan - to aid their senses. This is a near-silent, very fast moving air-to-surface (White jet, anyone?) or surface-to-surface missile (Woolworth Building anyone?) we're talking about.

* * *

ISRAELIS/ZIONISTS WERE UP TO THEIR NECKS IN 9/11

Let us count the ways:

1. PNAC; Major Neo-cons; Spy rings, Organizations etc: http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j030802.html

2. - The Mossad (ie. al-Qaeda) "hijackers" - art students - and their inappropriate (for devout Muslims) exploits and easily traced meanderings; Attaboy and his gang aboard super-Zionist Abramoff's casino ship; and the Zionist controlled FBI ensuring the "hijackers" safe-passage..

3. Israeli security company in charge at Boston, Newark and Dulles airports. (Same company in charge at London Underground on 7/7).

4. Cheney and his Zionist-team war-games; back-door hacking of the FAA's Air Traffic Control (ATC) Israeli-written computer software; Israeli owned and controlled electronic communication networks; ATC frequencies for voice; fake cell-phone calls.

5. Zionist owned and controlled MSM for the WTC-hit hoax; TV and video deception - airliner animations overlaying missiles; Or no missiles - just explosions in the buildings; Zionist controlled press for fake passenger lists; etc....

6. Three Zionist/Israeli owned/leased WTC buildings brought down by controlled demolitions; Zionist Ghouliani's WTC7 bunker - operations and control center; stupendous insurance payouts; nothing politically big happens in NYC without Zionist approval

7. Israeli companies warned of WTC attacks hours beforehand; Zim-Israeli Shipping moved out of Twin Towers months before 9/11; ZERO Israelis killed in the WTC hits and demolitions; Urban Moving System; the dancing Israelis.

8. Many put options traced to Israeli banks

9. Israel - prime benificiary of 9/11.

10. The Pentagon hit with Rumsfeld and Israeli-Zionists Wolfowitz, Zakheim et al.

Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli Spy Ring : http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

CONCLUSION

No airliner hit the North Tower; no airliner hit the South Tower, no airliner hit the Pentagon. There were no airliners involved in the 9/11 hits. Try missiles. Or just explosions in the buildings themselves. And a media (mostly TV and video) deception.

The three WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolitions: The Twin Towers EXPLODED; WTC7 IMPLODED. The Twin Towers were immensely strong and needed a very energetic agent - high explosives from near-top to bottom and in the basements near the bedrock - to bring them down. This has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt: see "Waking up from our Nightmare" by Don Paul and Jim Hoffman, as one proof among many.

Whatever happened to the passengers (did all of them actually exist?) and crews of the pseudo-hijacked flights AA11 & 77 and UA93 & 175 - how, where, when (and IF) they were killed - is anybody´s guess. The FAA uses Israeli-written software for its ATC and it is my guess that the only flight-paths those four "hijacked" airliners took on 9/11 were in computer memory. Why use real planes when simulated ones can fool ATC far more easily and efficiently? No wonder NORAD couldn't find the runaway airliners on its radar; and any fighter jets scrambled, based on ATC data, would have been chasing their own tails trying to intercept thin air.

This is indeed Occam's Razor at its sharpest. No longer do we need the infamous stand-down, FAA incompetence, NORAD complicity (except in the high-level coverup) and incomprehensible flight-paths - although we still need the war-games for maxim

modified planes i can believe. but no planes at all? im having a hard time with that one. what were they? holograms?

Its not up to us to prove what happened, it is up to us to prove what didn't happen. Once the truth is in the open and we have a real investigation, maybe then we will know the truth.

The official story is only the sum of its parts, and some very shakey parts at that. If we can effectively knock out one of those parts, then we have succeeded in disproving the official story.

So where do we focus are attention at this point? We've got Jones, Fetzer, and Griffin pushing for judicial inquiry based on control demolition which is the most obvious and easily understood aspect of these attacks. Then we've got David Icke in Maxim Magazine claiming the attacks were orchestrated by humanoid lizards.

Maybe we could consider putting our differences aside for the good of the movement and all concentrating on the one universally accepted facet of the attacks, controlled demolition. Thanks to the likes of Jones and Griffin, we clearly have the true perpetrators of the crimes on the ropes right now, and we should all be doubling our efforts right now to get the truth out. Maybe we should consider promoting the most obvious and easiest understood facts such as controlled demolition until the truth is universally accepted rather than pushing all of our own beliefs and pet projects.

After all, its not about who is right or wrong, it is about the truth, however we get there, and controlled demolition effectively blows the official story sky high.

What is the general, brainwashed public more likely to understand or accept? Controlled demo or lizards? The myriad of witnesses that all saw/heard/felt explosives that day or the possibility of holograms being flown into the buildings?

What is more convincing, these statements:

"The captain of emergency medical services said "somewhere around the middle of the world trade center there was this orange and red flash coming out ... initially it was just one flash then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode ... and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides ... as far as could see these popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building" (page 15 -- pdf file; Google's web version is here)"

"Similiarly, the Assistant Fire Commissioner stated "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they . . . blow up a building. . . ?” . In the same statement, the Assistant Commissioner recounts how a lieutenant firefighter he spoke with independently verified the flashes."

...or the possibility that the videos we've all seen have been doctored?

So tell me, do we all concentrate on the evidence that appears to be working, or do we dilute the entire movement with theories that, right or wrong, simply will not be accepted by the general public?

So, I've had my say, lets see the responses I get. Lets see who is interested in the truth coming out, and lets see who is only interested in being right-even if it means the truth never seeing the light of day and this nonsense continuing for years to come.

What people also fail to understand is that the plane that was intended to crash into the Penatgon got blown up!!!
In order to keep on track with 911 schedule, they had a missile fired into the Pentagon and claimed it was 757. Yes, it was meant to be the 757 but alas it didnt happen so just like everything else, they constructed the evidence.

That's WHY you will NEVER see the plane hit the pentagon.

How do we hold the people who did this accountable?

i have a feeling politicians will start jumping on the 9/11 truth bandwagon once its too late and the geopolitical situation is too fucked up to be saved. we are fucked indeed.

Ya Frank... thank you for what you do.

anonymous sed ::
Fred’s no-plane “theories” (above) are far more technically difficult, and risk exposure of the real perpetrators, than actually using real airplanes w/fall guys. JUST CRASH REAL PLANES INTO THE TOWERS: IT’S PRACTICAL LOWER-TECH THAT IS AVAILABLE & EFFECTIVE.

good point. however, if you truly look at the 175 impact over and over, you can see how 175 does seem to melt into the side of the south tower like a ghost. or a cartoon. - I'm not saying that it WAS a ghost/cartoon, but I AM saying that I'm glad that some people are pursuing that aspect of it.

James, if you believe that the plane was modified to shoot missiles like some people, that might account for the plane plowing so easily into the building.just a bit more easy to believe to me than holograms or the like.

On 2/13 Webster G Tarpley spent 3 terrific hours with Jeff Rense. I´ve uploaded all 3 hours (more like 40 mins ea since they´re commercial free) to rapidshare.de. Each are about 17MB mp3 files. Tarpley talks about oil/dollar politics, TPTB orchestrating the Mohommad cartoon flap, the Russians making noises about 911 truth, among a million other things. Hour 3 is prolly the richest, Left Gatekeepers discussed and more.

Once at the rapidshare pages, scroll to the Premium vs Free table, click the button at the bottom of the Free column. Page changes, scroll down again, you´ll see a clock counting down 30 seconds or so. Then you have to enter one of those funky symbol-images in the field, and then you can begin the download. Maybe 911blogger can grab the files and host.

Hour 1:
http://rapidshare.de/files/13641991/rense_021306_hr1.mp3.html

Hour 2:
http://rapidshare.de/files/13643469/rense_021306_hr2.mp3.html

Hour 3:
http://rapidshare.de/files/13645027/rense_021306_hr3.mp3.html

The thanks belong to all of us.

...if you truly look at the 175 impact over and over, you can see how 175 does seem to melt into the side of the south tower like a ghost. or a cartoon. - I'm not saying that it WAS a ghost/cartoon, but I AM saying that I'm glad that some people are pursuing that aspect of it.
James Ha | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:07 pm | #

Yes, James. But don't forget the planes were going 450 mph. I'm not exactly sure what we should expect that to look like.

of course im with you sbg but i cant help but think it doesnt even matter what people tell their friends as long as it comes with lc2 or some good video... these days it should be enough to tell people to google 911 truth and see what you get...

"one universally accepted facet of the attacks, controlled demolition."

I don't agree with that statement. There are people who still question the collapse. I think the only universal accepted facet of the attacks is that we were lied to, and those who lied to us, benefitted most from the attacks.

Someone wrote:

"Fred’s no-plane “theories” (above) are far more technically difficult, and risk exposure of the real perpetrators, than actually using real airplanes w/fall guys. JUST CRASH REAL PLANES INTO THE TOWERS: IT’S PRACTICAL LOWER-TECH THAT IS AVAILABLE & EFFECTIVE."

No. That's nonsense. From where would the planes take off? Wherever, they would have to avoid ATC and the U.S. Airforce. Then avoid the NYC Port Authority's 24/7 fully-armed air-response helicopter (or the missile defence shield at the Pentagon). With fall guys at the controls? HAHAHA. Hijacking an aircraft is no easy matter - hijacking FOUR with perfect timing is miraculous, especially using carpet-cutters with small blades. How the hell can 2-3 people fend off 60+ passengers and a nine-person crew.....with box-cutters? With GUNS, MACHINE GUNS, KALASHNIKOVS, then maybe.

What's technically simpler than:

1. Back-door hacking the ATC computer system and using simulated planes

2. Shooting missiles into the buildings from close range

3. The MSM covering - obscuring, overlaying - the missiles with airliner animations ON FILM

EH?

(NOT holograms, Chris - why do you bring them up in your posts? I didn't mention them and holograms have never been feasable to me. What's your game, sport?)

Now then, y'all, explain to me how ANY "plane" can melt through numerous vertical high-grade steel columns (one meter apart on center) and numerous horizontal steel re-enforced floors....and disappear?

[An engine and a few other parts were planted around the WTC and Pentagon. The WTC engine was from a 737 - that's seven THREE seven - and was found over 900ft away (Church and Murray Street) from the South Tower. That distance is about the height of the hit!. Now, THAT is impossible, having allegedly smashed through two sets of perimeter steel columns and god-knows how many floors, especially given its weight. And where this miraculous engine was found was (surprise, surprise) below a building site. Planted, for sure.]

So, suckers, explain the miraculous disappearance of a 65-ton airliner.

Fred. No need to get hostile.

What is this?

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7613

Are all of those videos we saw that day of planes flying into buildings fake?

Incidentally, do you have proof that they planted that piece of engine?

Fred, let's just disagree on some details of how the attacks were accomplished. Do we agree that the "official story" told to us by the Gov't is a boldfaced lie? That's what matters most.

Fred. No need to get hostile.

- I'm not getting hostile, man.

What is this?

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum...read.php? t=7613

- Now that, Mr Gold, is a planted piece of evidence laid out in a Picasso-esque surreal montage. So laughable. If that piece of junk survived its alleged journey through the Tower, then the Pope is indeed not Catholic.

Are all of those videos we saw that day of planes flying into buildings fake?

- A L L those videos? How many that day were televised? Precisely TWO :

1. The "Naudet Brothers" (North Tower) masterpiece of deception - fully debunked by experts

2. CNN's miraculous melting plane video - ditto.

In total, from 9/11 to the present day, to my knowledge, only FIVE different videos - excluding the "live" hit - have been televised. And yes, they have all been doctored with airliner animations.

Incidentally, do you have proof that they planted that piece of engine?

- Yes. Apply the Laws of Physics. Newton's laws of motion. Action and reaction and the motion of a 5-ton object in flight.
The photos of that engine also prove it was from a Boeing 737, not a Boeing 767 that Flight UA175 was supposed to have been.

Now, Mr Gold, perhaps you can explain how a 65-ton, 159ft long, 155ft wingspan airliner - along with its black box - can vaporize.

(To anon above: The controlled demolitions are the definitive proof of the Inside Job. Whether the sheeple will be convinced, with that alone, is another matter.)

Fred...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7366

Vaporized on impact.

Fred,

the black boxes didnt vaporize.. they were recovered and then covered up:
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff12202005.html

as for only 5 videos, there are a good bit more that appeared from individuals after 9/11.. now if you think all of those were doctored as well then that is of course your right.. but it seems like the least provable and one of the most divisive arguements to have..

the idea of hauling an engine into downtown NY during the attacks and planting evidence on a street as busy as those in NY is pretty out there.. just as out there as how much effort goes into 3d rendering a false plane into media coverage.. and then the over head of planting fake eye-witnesses, then following up with handi-cam individuals with footage and implanting false planes in those as well.. all of these things open the probability for being caught at least 10x each, and each make the credibility for those questioning 9/11 even less..

your welcome to your opinion, but do not try to make this an arguement amongst everyone here trying to justify their opinion on the planes being real.. if you want to have that discussion join a forum, my comments are not the place.

This is my last comment.

As I explained in my first post:
This confetti nonsense comes from a fighter jet being slammed head-on into a rigid three-meter-thick block of solid concrete - not a 65 ton airliner slamming into a building with many windows and designed to "give" slightly in high winds.

For confetti also read vaporize.

And you believe Counterpunch? Hell, man, they don't even admit 9/11 was an inside job. Ask yourself: Who funds Counterpunch?

Only THREE videos from "individuals" have surfaced. So where are the rest of them? They certainly have not been televised.

Goodbye.

"Only THREE videos from "individuals" have surfaced. So where are the rest of them? They certainly have not been televised."

Fred, you forgot about a few thousand people who witnessed the planes flying into the towers but who didn't happen to have a video camera with them. (I personally know someone who watched the 2nd plane hit from a very nearby building.)

"There is no war on terrorism"

So we all know the official 9/11 story is not the truth. This does not seem to be common knowledge yet; the MSM is still getting away with acting as if it is- they need credibility, though. They and the govt. need the public's faith and sense of legitimacy to rule effectively. As the truth isn't on their side, this is costing them lots of money, time and energy to keep it covered up, and they keep making mistakes which further weaken their position. A real investigation, criminal or congressional, w/ subpoena power and public oversight, would answer alot of the questions everyone keeps arguing about. We will probably need to replace most of the Dems and Reps with independent people to get this. But we don't need that to convict the criminals in the court of public opinion- all honest people need to do is review even the bad books and dvds out here to become convinced 9/11 was an inside job and it's being covered up.

Thanks to everyone who's telling people, posting on blogs/comments and giving out materials

And while we don't need them and it's more important to tell people, it helps to demand accountability from our reps and the media
http://www.3c.911truth.org

http://www.911truth.org is looking for volunteers to expand this movement- button on the left side