There is no war on terrorism

Thanks to Jon for this:

All the stories we see in the TV news, print and Internet media today are like mice in a small room occupied by a grizzly bear. We can see the bear, hear him panting and growling as he attempts to stomp on us, but everyone pretends he's just not there, even though he's eating all the food and we mice are starving.

The bear is the U.S. government and media cover up of the 9/11 attacks. They never came close to proving that foreign "terrorists" were involved. Of all four missing planes' passenger manifests, not one Middle Easterner was on any of them. A jihadist who is bravely going to his death for the sake of his beliefs in Allah and Islam is a martyr and wants the whole world to know it. Martyr's families receive reverential praise and support in their communities for decades. Yet not one of the "terrorists" the American government insists were on the aircraft used their real names or were listed on the passenger lists. At least seven of the nineteen 'hijackers' are still alive.

The 9/11 attacks were created for justification of U.S. covert plans to grab influence over oil politics in the Middle East and as an excuse to take away the rest of Americans' liberties through a manufactured threat-scenario called, "The War On Terror."

What good are all the thousands of articles about politics, global warming, education, scandals, religion, economics and how we must always go out and vote so that we can "make a difference"? If our votes really did make a difference, they'd be illegal.

Who cares about such articles when the cover up of what really happened on 9/11 is hands-off, an untouchable leper? What good are they when in the name of a phony "terrorist attack," our way of life no longer exists except at the pleasure of corporate-driven federal socialists? We are being starved of our liberties by a ursus horribulus that stomps every mouse who dares get in his way or mention that he's there.

I see a lot of authors write all around the grizzly bear, almost approaching the truth, but none seem to have the conviction to call for an open door to run the bear out of the house. Our Founding Fathers would have made a bearskin rug.

I will tell you here and tell you now with no equivocation: THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE NOT DONE BY TERRORISTS.
People are so used to being indoctrinated by government that they have actually been convinced to ignore their own eyes. Everyone who saw the videos of the World Trade Center Towers saw them fall exactly like other high-rise buildings that were dropped by sequential demolition charges, at the speed of gravity because there was no structural resistance below to impede their collapse into their basement footprints. Yet almost every viewer has been convinced by the lap-dog media that measly jet-fuel fires could melt the massive steel girders of both buildings, then make everything collapse.
When are citizens going to demand that the cover up of 9/11 be kicked out the door along with the people who invented it? When will the truth be told, that THERE IS NO WAR ON TERROR, but only on oil and on citizens' rights?



I'd have to disagree with

I'd have to disagree with one statement, the 9/11 attacks definitely were done by terrorist, the State Sponsored kind.

There were a few things

There were a few things wrong with it...

No blackboxes were found, etc...

Off Topic,but still 9/11

Off Topic,but still 9/11 related...

The Smoking Gun!

Photo of steel being excavated from debris 8 weeks after 9/11 glowing red/yellow hot.

Taken frome Professor Jones' paper here:

Kinda odd, right after I

Kinda odd, right after I posted the link to Professer Jones' research (see above), the link stopped working. Hmmm, gotta run to the Qwiki-mart for a reynolds aluminum wrap replenishment. ;)





Play any DVD or video of the South Tower impact and when the alleged Boeing 767 comes into view hit the pause on your remote and then single step until the "plane" is completely absorbed - enfolded - into the tower. You will - or certainly should - be absolutely positive that the video is a fake. See the animated, cartoon 767 MELT - there is no other word for it - into the building like a hot wire through butter. You will see no shuddering, vibration or crunching of the lightweight aluminium airframe as it slams into the exterior aluminium cladding, the many windows, the many high-grade-steel perimeter columns (one meter apart on center) and the many cross-trussed-steel-and-concrete floors; no crater-like indentation formed into the side of the tower; no breaking off or shearing of the wings or tail-fin - even the thin wing-tips slice through floors; and hear very little sound on impact, etc...etc. And you will certainly NOT see any "confetti" cascading down. (This confetti nonsense comes from a fighter jet being slammed head-on into a rigid three-meter-thick block of solid concrete - not a 65 ton airliner slamming into a building with many windows and designed to "give" slightly in high winds). As for the "official" version - puhleeze, don´t make me laugh.

Or go visit

Then, to see how the floors and exterior of the tower were constructed, go here: .

If anyone still isn´t convinced of its fakery, then they are truly brain-dead.


Consider the LIVE footage where we see the SAME CNN (or CBS) feed - on ALL channels (don't forget these Zionist Bozos have already got together on "how to cover the next terrorist attack", and no doubt did so before 9/11). All we see for about TWO seconds is a silhouette - with no depth perception and reflected light, whatsoever - resembling an aircraft, travelling from west to east into the blazing sun, before it conveniently disappears behind the North Tower. The entire South Tower IS NOT SEEN. This live feed could easily have been delayed for x seconds before transmission - enough time for the techno-spooks to insert the artifact/animation, when they knew the rough location of the fireball. The artifact can, of course, be inserted in real time, anyway. This is BY FAR the VERY BEST angle - side on to the artifact at optimum distance (no detail) and a totally hidden South Tower - to deceive us. (And all set up in a choatic New York in less than 17 minutes! Miracles will never cease). But it comes at a price: the artifact in later doctored VIDEO transmissions has to execute a near-impossible (some pilots say impossible) banking maneuver for such a giant airliner, so that the angles, the artifact's "flight path", the explosion and the damage to the building, correlate.

After this "live" footage, OBVIOUSLY, ALL SUBSEQUENT TRANSMISSIONS ARE FROM VIDEO, some from different angles, which were, and are, continually being refined with each transmission (eg. the widening of the artifact's arc of approach and angle of attack from 2-3 o'clock to 1-2 o'clock as viewed from the north). All this can easily be done. When was a different "angle of attack" televised after that brief "live" hit? Not for many hours later. MINUTES are enough to accomplish the doctoring of all videos, from all angles.

All the "amateur" (my ass) videos have been thoroughly - and brilliantly - debunked by many specialists.

(As for the "WTC impact footage from WNYW" proclaimed by some, boy-o-boy, that sure is a Boeing 767 now ain't it? Well, robertsyourmothersbrother! Nosireebob.That could quite easily be a cruise missile or a flying turd just about to hit the device that consists of a series of vanes radiating from a hub rotated on its axle by a motor. Scores of technicians needed to pull off the caper? Bullshit. Just one outside broadcast van and crew will do.)


Assuming they didn't know from what direction the hit was coming, they had only SEVENTEEN MINUTES MAXIMUM to set up their gear in a chaotic NYC; and why would they be focusing on the SOUTH side of the SOUTH Tower? All the action was on the NORTH side of the NORTH Tower. 450mph = 220 meters per second, so they would have had very little time - SECONDS - to see, never mind locate and focus on, the missile from ANY southerly vantage point. What a miraculous CNN video that was! And good 'eavens Evan's! Et les "Naudet Freres"! C'est Impossible! You won the lottery thrice-over there, boyos. QUICK, TAKE A CAMERA SHOT OF THAT MISSILE, Y'ALL ! TOO LATE. YOU MISSED IT, BOYS.

As any psychologist will tell you, eyewitness testimony must always be taken with a dollop of salt, especially when - in shock and well after the event they are recalling - the meme of planes-planes-planes has been thoroughly implanted. And where were the 100+ Israeli spooks and FEMA that morning? I would bet my bottom dollar they were playing their roles as false-eyewitnesses (and fake-evidence planters) at the WTC - just like the ubiquitous, impossibly-located "Naudet brothers" - and at the Pentagon. Assume the missile (or no missile at all, just explosives in the building itself) comes in from the south. Most people are looking, if they are looking at all, directly at the gaping hole and smoke on the north side of the North Tower. So, like us watching the live transmission, they cannot possibly see it. Witnesses at ground level have hardly any chance of seeing it, even from the south, east, or west, what with all the obscured views and so little time; and they have no sound - certainly not the deafening roar a giant airliner, 250 meters away, flying at 450+ mph, would make in the thick air of Manhattan - to aid their senses. This is a near-silent, very fast moving air-to-surface (White jet, anyone?) or surface-to-surface missile (Woolworth Building anyone?) we're talking about.

* * *


Let us count the ways:

1. PNAC; Major Neo-cons; Spy rings, Organizations etc:

2. - The Mossad (ie. al-Qaeda) "hijackers" - art students - and their inappropriate (for devout Muslims) exploits and easily traced meanderings; Attaboy and his gang aboard super-Zionist Abramoff's casino ship; and the Zionist controlled FBI ensuring the "hijackers" safe-passage..

3. Israeli security company in charge at Boston, Newark and Dulles airports. (Same company in charge at London Underground on 7/7).

4. Cheney and his Zionist-team war-games; back-door hacking of the FAA's Air Traffic Control (ATC) Israeli-written computer software; Israeli owned and controlled electronic communication networks; ATC frequencies for voice; fake cell-phone calls.

5. Zionist owned and controlled MSM for the WTC-hit hoax; TV and video deception - airliner animations overlaying missiles; Or no missiles - just explosions in the buildings; Zionist controlled press for fake passenger lists; etc....

6. Three Zionist/Israeli owned/leased WTC buildings brought down by controlled demolitions; Zionist Ghouliani's WTC7 bunker - operations and control center; stupendous insurance payouts; nothing politically big happens in NYC without Zionist approval

7. Israeli companies warned of WTC attacks hours beforehand; Zim-Israeli Shipping moved out of Twin Towers months before 9/11; ZERO Israelis killed in the WTC hits and demolitions; Urban Moving System; the dancing Israelis.

8. Many put options traced to Israeli banks

9. Israel - prime benificiary of 9/11.

10. The Pentagon hit with Rumsfeld and Israeli-Zionists Wolfowitz, Zakheim et al.

Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli Spy Ring :


No airliner hit the North Tower; no airliner hit the South Tower, no airliner hit the Pentagon. There were no airliners involved in the 9/11 hits. Try missiles. Or just explosions in the buildings themselves. And a media (mostly TV and video) deception.

The three WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolitions: The Twin Towers EXPLODED; WTC7 IMPLODED. The Twin Towers were immensely strong and needed a very energetic agent - high explosives from near-top to bottom and in the basements near the bedrock - to bring them down. This has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt: see "Waking up from our Nightmare" by Don Paul and Jim Hoffman, as one proof among many.

Whatever happened to the passengers (did all of them actually exist?) and crews of the pseudo-hijacked flights AA11 & 77 and UA93 & 175 - how, where, when (and IF) they were killed - is anybody´s guess. The FAA uses Israeli-written software for its ATC and it is my guess that the only flight-paths those four "hijacked" airliners took on 9/11 were in computer memory. Why use real planes when simulated ones can fool ATC far more easily and efficiently? No wonder NORAD couldn't find the runaway airliners on its radar; and any fighter jets scrambled, based on ATC data, would have been chasing their own tails trying to intercept thin air.

This is indeed Occam's Razor at its sharpest. No longer do we need the infamous stand-down, FAA incompetence, NORAD complicity (except in the high-level coverup) and incomprehensible flight-paths - although we still need the war-games for maxim

This is indeed Occam's Razor

This is indeed Occam's Razor at its sharpest. No longer do we need the infamous stand-down, FAA incompetence, NORAD complicity (except in the high-level coverup) and incomprehensible flight-paths - although we still need the war-games for maximum confusion and for the pseudo-hijackings. Thus is a massive amount of deadwood and personnel eliminated from the caper. In fact, the no-planes explanation is the ONLY rational, completely logical explanation there is; all the other theories have far too many potential pitfalls (eg. remote control; real planes flying hundreds of miles can miss their targets or be shot down) and far too many people to have successfully kept a lid on it.

9/11 was a near-as-dammit Israeli false-flag atrocity with (real but traitorous) Americans frantically engaged in a headless-chickenesque coverup. It was ordered by the International Zionist Bankers, headquartered in the square-mile City of London and their satraps in Wall Street, Basle and Tel Aviv, and via their Royal Institute of International Affairs (Round Table), Council on Foreign Relations and Bilderbergers. Their main terrorist-attack-dog is Israel; their brawn, America; their whore, Britain. Their fraudulent global fiat money - created out of thin air, interest-bearing, debt-based - system is bankrupt and their only way to perpetuate the scam (and their obscene wealth) is Imperialism leading to Totalitarian One World Government.

modified planes i can

modified planes i can believe. but no planes at all? im having a hard time with that one. what were they? holograms?

Things that make you go

Its not up to us to prove

Its not up to us to prove what happened, it is up to us to prove what didn't happen. Once the truth is in the open and we have a real investigation, maybe then we will know the truth.

The official story is only the sum of its parts, and some very shakey parts at that. If we can effectively knock out one of those parts, then we have succeeded in disproving the official story.

So where do we focus are attention at this point? We've got Jones, Fetzer, and Griffin pushing for judicial inquiry based on control demolition which is the most obvious and easily understood aspect of these attacks. Then we've got David Icke in Maxim Magazine claiming the attacks were orchestrated by humanoid lizards.

Maybe we could consider putting our differences aside for the good of the movement and all concentrating on the one universally accepted facet of the attacks, controlled demolition. Thanks to the likes of Jones and Griffin, we clearly have the true perpetrators of the crimes on the ropes right now, and we should all be doubling our efforts right now to get the truth out. Maybe we should consider promoting the most obvious and easiest understood facts such as controlled demolition until the truth is universally accepted rather than pushing all of our own beliefs and pet projects.

After all, its not about who is right or wrong, it is about the truth, however we get there, and controlled demolition effectively blows the official story sky high.

What is the general, brainwashed public more likely to understand or accept? Controlled demo or lizards? The myriad of witnesses that all saw/heard/felt explosives that day or the possibility of holograms being flown into the buildings?

What is more convincing, these statements:

"The captain of emergency medical services said "somewhere around the middle of the world trade center there was this orange and red flash coming out ... initially it was just one flash then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode ... and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides ... as far as could see these popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building" (page 15 -- pdf file; Google's web version is here)"

"Similiarly, the Assistant Fire Commissioner stated "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they . . . blow up a building. . . ?” . In the same statement, the Assistant Commissioner recounts how a lieutenant firefighter he spoke with independently verified the flashes."

...or the possibility that the videos we've all seen have been doctored?

So tell me, do we all concentrate on the evidence that appears to be working, or do we dilute the entire movement with theories that, right or wrong, simply will not be accepted by the general public?

So, I've had my say, lets see the responses I get. Lets see who is interested in the truth coming out, and lets see who is only interested in being right-even if it means the truth never seeing the light of day and this nonsense continuing for years to come.

Pass out the DVDs like

Pass out the DVDs like candy; a stack of 100 blank DVD-R's is only ~40 bucks mail order, 10 minutes each to burn; I always carry 2 in my back pocket. Be aware that you can stick 7 hours or more on a DVD, see for example ...Master David Ray Griffin to take away the official fairy need to complicate things with our own theories. And visualize...

"These so-called ill-treatments and this torturing... were not, as assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual leaders, subleaders, and men who laid violent hands on internees... It is obvious that there were elements among them who would ill-treat internees, but this ill-treatment was never tolerated." -- Nazi Auschwitz Kommandant Rudolf Hoess

What people also fail to

What people also fail to understand is that the plane that was intended to crash into the Penatgon got blown up!!!
In order to keep on track with 911 schedule, they had a missile fired into the Pentagon and claimed it was 757. Yes, it was meant to be the 757 but alas it didnt happen so just like everything else, they constructed the evidence.

That's WHY you will NEVER see the plane hit the pentagon.

Boys and girls... Planes DID

Boys and girls...

Planes DID hit the buildings.

the WTC had crumpled jet-engines flying off and landing in the street.
767/757 flew into the pentagon and
shanksville mud.

Tiny hyper-sound nukes zapped the evidence / shattered the left-overs into small pieces.

However, the JCS now wishes it had never done 911, and THIS is their problem. Now they have to cover it up into all eternity, just like JFK MLK Robert Kennedy, using bio-warfare in KOREA

How do we hold the people

How do we hold the people who did this accountable?

Keep on telling everyone

Keep on telling everyone around us the truth, of course. This corrupt Establishment loses power as people see the man behind the curtain. If the Establishment can make the case that these false-flag attacks are good for the American People, then the corporate-controlled Dems, Reps and media can be allowed to keep their stranglehold on power. If not, they got to go. The Greens and Libertarians or almost any of these other parties have got to be preferable to these election-stealing/giving, war-profiteering, market-rigging, terror-mongering parasites. The Declaration of Independence notes that peoples usually prefer the stability of an evil govt to the uncertainty of turning it over. The American Revolution was not popular at the time- it's popular now cuz the founding fathers won and wrote the history books, and it's popular cuz we all like the freedoms and principles they bled and died defending. The people who did 9/11 will be held accountable sooner as we provide more obviously viable alternatives to "stable" govt by mass murderers, as crazy as that sounds. Do we have a better vision of how things should be run? If so, the People will turn these bastards out more readily.

how do we hold them

how do we hold them accountable?

good question.

Historically this has only happened in a limited scale, at best.

the scale is related to the amount of people PRESSURING the prosecutors.

Historically the prosecutors have been either FROM OTHER COUNTRIES (such as victors in war, e.g. nuremberg) or the international criminal court ... who have not had much opportunity.

So, in short. The best way is to indict Cheney in The Hague, and the american people making sure everyone of these bastards is brought there.

The argument that there are other criminals in the world in need of prosecution is easily countered with:

First clean your own home before you ask others to clean theirs.

Therefore the USA-citizens need to do it.

Just endorse the ICC in The Hague.
Doing that would be the first step. Because SIMPLY THE FACT THAT US CITIZENS ACCEPT THE HAGUE will be the message (to act upon).


When were these 7 still

When were these 7 still living hijackers last seen alive and why is there no-one who will bring them *now* forward in interviews, photo's, press conferences, etc.? Find these guys and put them in the spotlight. You can even ask Al-Jazeera to do it. It's in their interest (and ours).

How? I still find Dylan's

I still find Dylan's LooseChange2nd to be the most compelling. NYFD lost 300+ and were gagged. These men/women are often influential in the political arena. They also have a lot of time on their butts and dvd players in thier firehouses.
I have started to visit the firehouses in my area. Keeping it brief as I think the video does a better job of not being interupted than I can do on my own. I simply ask if they have a DVD player. All have said yes. I then say could you check this out? Sure. Thanks. I leave.
This is a very important and influential group to get the truth to.

Side note:
A nice republican coworker that voted for Bush twice and who has long been shaking her head at me and my Dont blame me my vote wasn't counted and 9-11Truth adorned cubicle. After watching the video no longer shakes her head. Said she cant believe it but there it is in black and white.....I dont know exactly which part of the movie she was reffering but it's not important, if it opened her eyes and it did then there is hope.

Check out

Check out today.

Who Is Osama? Where Did He Come From? How Did He Escape? What About Those Anthrax Attacks?
A Half-Dozen Questions About 9/11 They Don't Want You to Ask

'The Arctic Beacon' bashing

'The Arctic Beacon' bashing Steven Jones:

@ Mikmak: I fear that there

@ Mikmak: I fear that there were no hijackers alive and well. Maybe there was some confusion with the ID's so soon after the attacks ( where did they get the passport-pictures from?? ), and maybe they were wrong ID's included, but they had over 4 years to "correct" theses traces.

Unfortunately, german newsmagazine "Spiegel" search this allegations himself and found no proof for alived hijacker in 2002-2003.

But that doesn't mean necessarily that they never existed.

Please remember this story, including the murder of Pearl and some saudi princes:

Off topic, but interesting:

Off topic, but interesting:

This video shows a plane being completely destoyed on impact with a concrete wall.

FredÂ’s no-plane

Fred’s no-plane “theories” (above) are far more technically difficult, and risk exposure of the real perpetrators, than actually using real airplanes w/fall guys. JUST CRASH REAL PLANES INTO THE TOWERS: IT’S PRACTICAL LOWER-TECH THAT IS AVAILABLE & EFFECTIVE.

IsraOilÂ’s anti-Semitic rant is garbage. Everyone knows thereÂ’s a world of difference between the vast number of good Jewish people and some Zionist fanatics.

Bravo to SS & his firehouse DVD giveaway! I showed “Painful Deceptions” to a hardcore official-story believer, and he was stunned. It’s been the “red pill” for him ever since.

In regards to Greg Syzmanski

In regards to Greg Syzmanski attacking Professor Jones...

"After about five days in he limelight, however, and appearing on CNN with Tucker Carlson, he bowed out of the public eye, saying he was one with interviews after being only a select few truth shows, including Greg Szymanski's Investigative Journal on the Republic Broadcasting Network."

Which news channel was it on Greg?

Greg Shillzmanski...

Greg Shillzmanski...

Professor Jones, the now

Professor Jones, the now self-appointed leader, should be reminded he originally was a "Johnny come lately," never standing alone, never the leader of the 9/11 truth movement and actually following in the footsteps of many who came before him with the exact same information.

Greg Szymanski

this comment smacks of jealousy to me.

there is no leader.

there is no leader.

I was talking to Janice

I was talking to Janice about that last night. We need a Martin Luther King of the 9/11 Truth Movement. We have many great speakers, but no one who attracts a crowd like he did... Maybe I'm missing something... what "magic" did he have to rally a country behind him? What is the missing piece to the puzzle?

he had a whole commmunity of

he had a whole commmunity of people behind him. something we will never have because this isnt about race and equality like that ways. that was something all blacks got behind, and all whites that were not mindless,racist drones got behind. its just not the same thing.

It's WORSE. Our Government


Our Government is "occupied" by criminals. Literally, the reality is NO different than that. Blacks, whites, hispanics, chinese, jews, polls, indians, etc... ALL of them have reason to stand behind this cause.

They just don't think it

They just don't think it affects them. Because the media, which no longer does its' job, doesn't tell them how it does.

Our Government is "occupied"

Our Government is "occupied" by criminals. Literally, the reality is NO different than that. Blacks, whites, hispanics, chinese, jews, polls, indians, etc... ALL of them have reason to stand behind this cause.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 12:05 pm | #
make no mistake, i agree %100 with that statement. my point is, it wasnt something overtly obvious like Kings crusade was.the media is much slicker today, the government is even worse than it was then.its much harder to educate people on 9/11 than it was on the issue of equality. plus the media was forced to cover his story, they are forced NOT to cover 9/11 in an objective way today.

great link Jon. you would

great link Jon. you would think someone as realistic as Mr.Paul would be willing to broach 9/11 truth.

i have a feeling politicians

i have a feeling politicians will start jumping on the 9/11 truth bandwagon once its too late and the geopolitical situation is too fucked up to be saved. we are fucked indeed.

Ya Frank... thank you for

Ya Frank... thank you for what you do.

anonymous sed :: FredÂ’s

anonymous sed ::
Fred’s no-plane “theories” (above) are far more technically difficult, and risk exposure of the real perpetrators, than actually using real airplanes w/fall guys. JUST CRASH REAL PLANES INTO THE TOWERS: IT’S PRACTICAL LOWER-TECH THAT IS AVAILABLE & EFFECTIVE.

good point. however, if you truly look at the 175 impact over and over, you can see how 175 does seem to melt into the side of the south tower like a ghost. or a cartoon. - I'm not saying that it WAS a ghost/cartoon, but I AM saying that I'm glad that some people are pursuing that aspect of it.

James, if you believe that

James, if you believe that the plane was modified to shoot missiles like some people, that might account for the plane plowing so easily into the building.just a bit more easy to believe to me than holograms or the like.

On 2/13 Webster G Tarpley

On 2/13 Webster G Tarpley spent 3 terrific hours with Jeff Rense. I´ve uploaded all 3 hours (more like 40 mins ea since they´re commercial free) to Each are about 17MB mp3 files. Tarpley talks about oil/dollar politics, TPTB orchestrating the Mohommad cartoon flap, the Russians making noises about 911 truth, among a million other things. Hour 3 is prolly the richest, Left Gatekeepers discussed and more.

Once at the rapidshare pages, scroll to the Premium vs Free table, click the button at the bottom of the Free column. Page changes, scroll down again, you´ll see a clock counting down 30 seconds or so. Then you have to enter one of those funky symbol-images in the field, and then you can begin the download. Maybe 911blogger can grab the files and host.

Hour 1:

Hour 2:

Hour 3:

The thanks belong to all of

The thanks belong to all of us.

...if you truly look at the

...if you truly look at the 175 impact over and over, you can see how 175 does seem to melt into the side of the south tower like a ghost. or a cartoon. - I'm not saying that it WAS a ghost/cartoon, but I AM saying that I'm glad that some people are pursuing that aspect of it.
James Ha | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:07 pm | #

Yes, James. But don't forget the planes were going 450 mph. I'm not exactly sure what we should expect that to look like.

of course im with you sbg

of course im with you sbg but i cant help but think it doesnt even matter what people tell their friends as long as it comes with lc2 or some good video... these days it should be enough to tell people to google 911 truth and see what you get...

"one universally accepted

"one universally accepted facet of the attacks, controlled demolition."

I don't agree with that statement. There are people who still question the collapse. I think the only universal accepted facet of the attacks is that we were lied to, and those who lied to us, benefitted most from the attacks.

Someone wrote: "FredÂ’s

Someone wrote:

"Fred’s no-plane “theories” (above) are far more technically difficult, and risk exposure of the real perpetrators, than actually using real airplanes w/fall guys. JUST CRASH REAL PLANES INTO THE TOWERS: IT’S PRACTICAL LOWER-TECH THAT IS AVAILABLE & EFFECTIVE."

No. That's nonsense. From where would the planes take off? Wherever, they would have to avoid ATC and the U.S. Airforce. Then avoid the NYC Port Authority's 24/7 fully-armed air-response helicopter (or the missile defence shield at the Pentagon). With fall guys at the controls? HAHAHA. Hijacking an aircraft is no easy matter - hijacking FOUR with perfect timing is miraculous, especially using carpet-cutters with small blades. How the hell can 2-3 people fend off 60+ passengers and a nine-person crew.....with box-cutters? With GUNS, MACHINE GUNS, KALASHNIKOVS, then maybe.

What's technically simpler than:

1. Back-door hacking the ATC computer system and using simulated planes

2. Shooting missiles into the buildings from close range

3. The MSM covering - obscuring, overlaying - the missiles with airliner animations ON FILM


(NOT holograms, Chris - why do you bring them up in your posts? I didn't mention them and holograms have never been feasable to me. What's your game, sport?)

Now then, y'all, explain to me how ANY "plane" can melt through numerous vertical high-grade steel columns (one meter apart on center) and numerous horizontal steel re-enforced floors....and disappear?

[An engine and a few other parts were planted around the WTC and Pentagon. The WTC engine was from a 737 - that's seven THREE seven - and was found over 900ft away (Church and Murray Street) from the South Tower. That distance is about the height of the hit!. Now, THAT is impossible, having allegedly smashed through two sets of perimeter steel columns and god-knows how many floors, especially given its weight. And where this miraculous engine was found was (surprise, surprise) below a building site. Planted, for sure.]

So, suckers, explain the miraculous disappearance of a 65-ton airliner.

Fred. No need to get

Fred. No need to get hostile.

What is this?

Are all of those videos we saw that day of planes flying into buildings fake?

Incidentally, do you have proof that they planted that piece of engine?

Fred, let's just disagree on

Fred, let's just disagree on some details of how the attacks were accomplished. Do we agree that the "official story" told to us by the Gov't is a boldfaced lie? That's what matters most.

Fred. No need to get

Fred. No need to get hostile.

- I'm not getting hostile, man.

What is this? t=7613

- Now that, Mr Gold, is a planted piece of evidence laid out in a Picasso-esque surreal montage. So laughable. If that piece of junk survived its alleged journey through the Tower, then the Pope is indeed not Catholic.

Are all of those videos we saw that day of planes flying into buildings fake?

- A L L those videos? How many that day were televised? Precisely TWO :

1. The "Naudet Brothers" (North Tower) masterpiece of deception - fully debunked by experts

2. CNN's miraculous melting plane video - ditto.

In total, from 9/11 to the present day, to my knowledge, only FIVE different videos - excluding the "live" hit - have been televised. And yes, they have all been doctored with airliner animations.

Incidentally, do you have proof that they planted that piece of engine?

- Yes. Apply the Laws of Physics. Newton's laws of motion. Action and reaction and the motion of a 5-ton object in flight.
The photos of that engine also prove it was from a Boeing 737, not a Boeing 767 that Flight UA175 was supposed to have been.

Now, Mr Gold, perhaps you can explain how a 65-ton, 159ft long, 155ft wingspan airliner - along with its black box - can vaporize.

(To anon above: The controlled demolitions are the definitive proof of the Inside Job. Whether the sheeple will be convinced, with that alone, is another matter.)

Fred... http://www.yourbbsuck

Fred, the black boxes didnt


the black boxes didnt vaporize.. they were recovered and then covered up:

as for only 5 videos, there are a good bit more that appeared from individuals after 9/11.. now if you think all of those were doctored as well then that is of course your right.. but it seems like the least provable and one of the most divisive arguements to have..

the idea of hauling an engine into downtown NY during the attacks and planting evidence on a street as busy as those in NY is pretty out there.. just as out there as how much effort goes into 3d rendering a false plane into media coverage.. and then the over head of planting fake eye-witnesses, then following up with handi-cam individuals with footage and implanting false planes in those as well.. all of these things open the probability for being caught at least 10x each, and each make the credibility for those questioning 9/11 even less..

your welcome to your opinion, but do not try to make this an arguement amongst everyone here trying to justify their opinion on the planes being real.. if you want to have that discussion join a forum, my comments are not the place.

This is my last comment. As

This is my last comment.

As I explained in my first post:
This confetti nonsense comes from a fighter jet being slammed head-on into a rigid three-meter-thick block of solid concrete - not a 65 ton airliner slamming into a building with many windows and designed to "give" slightly in high winds.

For confetti also read vaporize.

And you believe Counterpunch? Hell, man, they don't even admit 9/11 was an inside job. Ask yourself: Who funds Counterpunch?

Only THREE videos from "individuals" have surfaced. So where are the rest of them? They certainly have not been televised.


"Only THREE videos from

"Only THREE videos from "individuals" have surfaced. So where are the rest of them? They certainly have not been televised."

Fred, you forgot about a few thousand people who witnessed the planes flying into the towers but who didn't happen to have a video camera with them. (I personally know someone who watched the 2nd plane hit from a very nearby building.)

"There is no war on

"There is no war on terrorism"

So we all know the official 9/11 story is not the truth. This does not seem to be common knowledge yet; the MSM is still getting away with acting as if it is- they need credibility, though. They and the govt. need the public's faith and sense of legitimacy to rule effectively. As the truth isn't on their side, this is costing them lots of money, time and energy to keep it covered up, and they keep making mistakes which further weaken their position. A real investigation, criminal or congressional, w/ subpoena power and public oversight, would answer alot of the questions everyone keeps arguing about. We will probably need to replace most of the Dems and Reps with independent people to get this. But we don't need that to convict the criminals in the court of public opinion- all honest people need to do is review even the bad books and dvds out here to become convinced 9/11 was an inside job and it's being covered up.

Thanks to everyone who's telling people, posting on blogs/comments and giving out materials

And while we don't need them and it's more important to tell people, it helps to demand accountability from our reps and the media is looking for volunteers to expand this movement- button on the left side