Sunday Evening Grab Bag and Open Thread

DoD staffer's notes from 9/11 obtained under FOIA

[..]DoD staffer Steven Cambone's notes from meetings with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the afternoon of September 11, 2001. Cambone's notes were cited heavily in the 9/11 Commission Report's reconstruction of the day's events.
The released notes document Donald Rumsfeld's 2:40 PM instructions to General Myers to find the "[b]est info fast . . . judge whether good enough [to] hit S.H. [Saddam Hussein] at same time - not only UBL [Usama Bin Laden]"

Richard Dreyfus makes reference to questioning the towers collapsing - Real Video (at 29.25 min.)
(thanks FrankV!)

If the only constant in public examination of issues at hand is that the guy who disagrees with you is an idiot, unworthy even to finish a sentence and deserving only of being patrionized, could that not be defined as fundementally anti-democratic? And doesnt it imply how simple and easy all of our issues must be since we dont analyze them and we dont ruminate over them. It mustn't be so difficult, you know like the towers falling or how we take care of one other during katrina, or not.

The Shot Heard Round the World -
(thanks Gold!)

Around 9:35 on the morning of 9/11, Cheney was lifted off his feet by the Secret Service and hustled into the White House bunker. Cheney testified to the 9/11 Commission that he spoke with President Bush before giving an order to shoot down a hijacked civilian airliner that appeared headed toward Washington. (The plane was United Flight 93, which crashed in a Pennsylvania field after a brave revolt by the passengers.) But a source close to the commission, who declined to be identified revealing sensitive information, says that none of the staffers who worked on this aspect of the investigation believed Cheney's version of events.

An Open Letter to Eliot Spitzer -- re. Appearance of Cover-up re. 9/11 -
(thanks bb!)

What business of yours is it to stand in the way of a Congressional effort led by the Armed Services Committee to learn the truth about why it was a military operation targeting Al-Qaeda and ID future hijackers (Able Danger) was killed by as yet identified DoD officials?

What right do you have to prevent Congressional oversight and an attempt to learn why it was the 9/11 Commission staff, including your employee Dietrich Snell, failed to brief the 9/11 Commissioners about a program a Navy Commander told Snell had ID Atta over a year before 9/11?

In 2004 and 2005, following a formal complaint filing with your office and your chief investigator William Casey, you effectively ignored leading 9/11 family members, 9/11 survivors and first responders who had signed on to the complaint requesting you investigate any number of areas where the Commission fell short. (see full complaint and appendices at And you promised me, their spokesperson at the time, in person at the your opening fund-raiser luncheon that you would meet with the complainants which included Bill Doyle. You broke your promise despite persistent follow-ups.

I believe you have a lot of explaining to do. I intend to talk extensively with Bill Doyle and other leading family members about your latest attempt to stand in the way of getting at the truth about what happened on 9/11.

I believe they are owed an explanation as to why you took no action or even a courtesy of a response following the filing of our complaint with your office (see . I believe all Americans are now owed an explanation as to why you would stand in the way of Congress who had some simple questions for your Deputy, Dietrich Snell. Given your previous responses and what appears to be your covering for Dieter Snell would I be foolish to expect the courtesy of a response?

Majority Report, Air America! -
Sander Hicks was on Air America last Friday night on the Majority Report. Hicks is running for governor of New York, and is an advocate for a new 9/11 investigation. You can find the Air America interview via the link above, and you can find his statements on 9/11 here.

Have at it!

somebody needs to organize a

somebody needs to organize a massive campaign against Spitzer when he runs for governor of New York.same goes for Giuliani for president,and any other 9/11 cover-up artists running for office.also, does anyone know if Sander Hicks happened to mention any 9/11 truth on Air America when he was on recently?

Yep... Yep he did.

Yep... Yep he did.

nice, i hope he got deep

nice, i hope he got deep into does Garafalo feel about 9/11?i'll have to listen to it when i get a chance.

Janeane signed the

Janeane signed the petition. She's mentioned it on occasion.

Anybody been following this little drama?

yeah, a lot of republicans

yeah, a lot of republicans are screaming about that one as well Jon. Fox News Sunday even had a segment on it,so its bipartisan for sure.FNS is only the most shameless of the propaganda sunday shows with Bill "PNAC" Kristol spewing hate each and every week.along with one conservative/moderate female,Jaun"faux liberal" Williams and another hard right conservative sheep.fair and balanced indeed.HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THROUGH THIS SHIT!?!?!?!?

"I'm a lifelong Republican

"I'm a lifelong Republican and I think the President's gone insane," said Gadiel, director of a group called 9/11 Families for a Secure America.

Man, isn't Sander Hicks

Man, isn't Sander Hicks just storming the castle with this thing? I mean, I know almost nobody listens to the Majority Report (at least live) but this thing is getting almost out of control. I wonder what disgusting thing they'll do next to distract the public's attention...I know, maybe the Vice President can shoot someone!

The funny thing is... that's

The funny thing is... that's not the first time someone's accused our President of not having all of his marbles...

"Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse. The White House is completely disconnected from reality"

Sen. Chuck Hagel

I, myself, have questioned his sanity... :)

"The President of the United States is hearing voices."

This just got

This just got interesting...

“They want to destroy Islam through the issue of terrorism ... and all those things are engineered by the United States,” said Maksuni, who only uses one name.

Reprehensor, does Greg

Reprehensor, does Greg Shillzmanski have your permission to use your photo of Professor Jones in a hit piece?

Here's another David Ray

Here's another David Ray Griffin talk, this time going in depth on the issue of the Air force stand down, recorded in Brattleboro VT in October. It starts 36 minutes into the show Uwelcome Guests (a very good show, BTW):

Dreyfus gave an excellent

Dreyfus gave an excellent speech. Thanks for the link!! His first tower comment was subtle but important. Will anyone at the press club have gained any knowledge from his reminder.

Air America's late night

Air America's late night host, Mike Malloy, states on the air that 911 was orchestrated by the "Bush Crime Family" when asked by listeners calling in.

On another note, I don't think Stephen Jones is a "honey pot", he's a very religous man of science who resonates with the more positive aspects of christianity and believes in the laws of the universe.

only in the new american

only in the new american century could bushco claim that 19 arabs were responsible for a new pearl harbor and then turn around and sell the operation of 6 east coast ports to an arab company for 6 billion dollars.

(repost from comments of

(repost from comments of several stories down)

On 2/13 Webster G Tarpley spent 3 terrific hours with Jeff Rense. I´ve uploaded all 3 hours (more like 40 mins ea since they´re commercial free) to Each are about 17MB mp3 files. Tarpley talks about oil/dollar politics, TPTB orchestrating the Mohommad cartoon flap, the Russians making noises about 911 truth, among a million other things. Hour 3 is prolly the richest, Left Gatekeepers discussed and more.

Once at the rapidshare pages, scroll to the Premium vs Free table, click the button at the bottom of the Free column. Page changes, scroll down again, you´ll see a clock counting down 30 seconds or so. Then you have to enter one of those funky symbol-images in the field, and then you can begin the download. Maybe 911blogger can grab the files and host.

Hour 1:

Hour 2:

Hour 3:

New Osama

Say who? Oh! Mr. "I'm still

Say who? Oh! Mr. "I'm still free-- are you?"

Hello mama-- it's me, Osama... (music)

Thanks for the Tarply

Thanks for the Tarply downloads Poopy. Great interview!

no shit Osama wont be taken

no shit Osama wont be taken alive. kind of hard to do that when your already dead.

No, Greggy-poo

No, Greggy-poo doesn't.

Jones knows the origin of the photo however, he linked to my blog very quickly after I made the entry. In fact, so did Greg. So I may make an entry in my blog that says I don't mind Greggy using the photo, (God knows I use photos without clearance), but I don't agree with his Jones analysis.

I honestly don't know what Greg's problem is.

In other news, here's my ABLE DANGER post at KOS.

Give it a comment at KOS if you are a member, be factual, or KOS will purge me!

(Note how someone tried to sandbag Mel Goodman early on! Good luck with that. That old bastard is still running on all 8 cylinders. Mel doesn't believe in Government "complicity" he's on the record about that... but his analysis of the failure of the Commission is bang-on, and his grasp of behind-the-scenes skulduggery on the bureucratic level is matched only by McGovern.) picked picked up that "6 Questions They Don't Want You to Ask About 9/11" article on Counterpunch by Werther; Rockwell has a good audience.

My latest update of book on

My latest update of book on 9/11 and US government conspiracies.

Some new original research on demolition techniques, and liberal (but cited) borrowing of others work.

pdf format, about 9 MB, with lots of photos, analysis, and commentary.

Hope you enjoy and more importantly, learn something new.

See torrent details for more information:

Eh, is my mind going or

Eh, is my mind going or wasn't Szymanski one of the first to laud Jones to high heaven?

My guess would be that Szymanski is pissed with Jones for 'defecting' to ST911, and leaving him and his insane 'Luciferian' nonsense behind. Why do these people have to bring up this populist religious nonsense? I mean so what if someone worships Satan? It's up to them, its not like its real or anything. What's the difference between Satanist-bashing and Jew, Christian or Muslim-bashing?

(And no, I'm not a 'satanist' or a wiccan, I'm an atheist)

There is a "Stop The 9/11

There is a "Stop The 9/11 Cover-up" poster hanging on an over-pass above a very busy freeway in a very large city. And it has been there for over a month. Thousands of people have seen it. Buy these for about 80 cents each from and have at it! They are having a sale right now (no shipping charges). Chain-link fences around construction sites on busy corners are great! Get your new information cards and Deception Dollars while you're there!

Partridge- It appears that


It appears that old Greg Szymanski has joined the likes of Tom Flocco. Their job is to blur the line between fantasy and fact. It's done the same way the grocery store tabloids do it. You report both factual and fictional stories so the reader never knows fact from fantasy. The purpose is to develop a mindless cult readership which is a form of distraction. I had a personal experience with Tom that confirmed his motives were a bit askew. He had a problem with the fact that I collected and disseminated the following data.

The Discovery Channel documentary, 'The Flight That
Fought Back', produced by London-based Brook Lapping
Productions,is based on research evidence including
the 9/11 Commission Report and voice recordings left
by passengers and crew members of United flight 93,
including the famous "Let's roll" call to action, from
passenger Todd Beamer. There is only one problem: Todd
Beamer does not exist.

Do a Social Security Death Index search for Todd
Beamer at :

You get one record with the date of birth as SEPTEMBER
ELEVENTH, 1968 and date of death as 6/10/97.

Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93,
only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the Social
Security Death Index.

Todd Beamer's marriage:
I prepared for our wedding on May 14,1994. I had
always wanted to move back East,
... Our wedding took place at the First Baptist Church
in Peekskill, New York
pg 97 "Let's Roll" by Lisa Beamer

Do a marriage license search at:

There are no marriage license records for Todd Beamer
and Lisa Brosious!

Look at the date this website was setup- 9/12/01!!!
and he is not in the SSDI nor has any "family" member
applied to the September 11th Compensation Fund of

Domain ID:D77223487-LROR


Created On:12-Sep-2001 17:06:44 UTC

Of the 266 people that we were told died on these
jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation!

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on
this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 92 people, only three are on the 9-11
Compensation Fund list:

Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams


Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on
this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation
Fund list:

William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor


Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying
on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11
Compensation Fund list:

Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward


Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on
this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation
Fund list:

No one

Maybe this is why:

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard
Reported by: 9News Staff
Web produced by: Liz Foreman
9/11/01 11:43:57 AM

"A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing
Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due
to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor
Michael R. White.

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area
of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline
[didn't] say how many people were aboard the flight.
United said it was also "deeply concerned" about
another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was
bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

On behalf of the airline CEO James Goodwin said: "The
thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers
and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with
everyone on the ground who may have been involved.
"United is working with all the relevant authorities,
including the FBI, to obtain further information on
these flights," he said." -WCPO-TV (09/11/01)

The 911 phone calls:

The following shows the passengers aboard the four flights who we were told made telephone calls on 9/11/01. Only one death was reported to the Social Security Death Index. And none of the callerÂ’s families applied to the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001. Maybe the "callers" should not have wasted airtime on their "family".

Caller/Death Reported to SSDI /Application to September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001

Flight 11
Betty Ong NO NO

Madeline Sweeney NO NO

Flight 77
Barbara Olson NO NO

Flight 175
Peter Burton Hanson NO NO

Flight 93
Todd Beamer NO NO

Thomas E. Burnett Jr. NO NO

Mark Bingham NO NO

Jeremy Glick NO NO

Linda Gronlund NO NO

Joseph F DeLuca* YES NO

Marion Britton NO NO

Sandy Bradshaw NO NO

Edward Felt NO NO

Honor Wainio NO NO

CeeCee Lyles NO NO

Sandra Bradshaw NO NO

* Linda Gronlund was flying to San Francisco aboard
United Flight 93 with her boyfriend, Joseph F DeLuca.
Linda was a sailor, a scuba diver, A BROWN BELT IN
KARATE, a lawyer, a car mechanic, a gardener, a
photographer, a gourmet cook, a guitarist, an
emergency medical technician and a volunteer with
autistic children. Why wasn't Wonder Woman using her
skills to help stop those mean nasty Arabs?

"Joseph Deluca called his dad. His girlfriend, Linda
Gronlund, called her sister, telling her THE
loved her." page 206 of "Let's Roll: Ordinary People,
Extraordinary Courage" by Lisa Beamer

Another book quotes Linda's call to her sister as, "I
want to let you know how much I love you; please tell
Mom and Dad", Linda said. "I don't know if I'll be
able to tell you again IN PERSON how much I love you.
I hope I will. I'M REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU." page 161
of "Among the Heroes: United Flight 93 and the
Passengers and Crew Who Fought Back" by Jere Longman.

Does this sound like a woman who is about to die? Or
does this sound like a lawyer who has to go away for a
long time and take a new identity? take a

take a look at the video of this medical school dormatory in Little Rock,Arkansas being imploded over the weekend. it looks EXACTLY like WTC7. playing it back to back would be damning stuff.
you might have to search the video section a little for it, but its there.just look for "Ten Story Arkansas Dorm Demolished In Seconds".seriously, its damning stuff.

its currently on page 2 of

its currently on page 2 of the playlist.just click the link and look on page 2,and compare to WTC7.

I commend the researchers

I commend the researchers above. We need to start a database with all characters and find out if they exist.



anonymous, do you have a


do you have a direct link to the banners for sale? i know which ones you are talking about, but i dont see them on that site.


thanks for pointing out that video.. it looks like it fell slower than wtc7!

yeah, im glad i was watching

yeah, im glad i was watching my local 12:00 news today. when i saw it i knew i had to link you guys to it.

dz: click on the Share The

dz: click on the Share The Truth banner at Peace Project or go to Look for Posters. You will still be ordering from Peace Project. There is also a new Remarkable Facts card with Bldg. 7 on it that is great to hand out too.

has anyone here seen the

has anyone here seen the movie "9/11: The Great Illusion" by George Humphrey? any thoughts or reviews? should i get it?

any news on that NY protest

any news on that NY protest today?

Hey guys, a friend of mine

Hey guys, a friend of mine on the RRMB got in touch with Jones, re: the Greggo, and you can read the exchange here;

Great post by

Great post by AmandaReconwith (above)!

There are so many inexplicable details coming to light about the "official story" it may soon implode quicker than the WTC did.

David Ray Griffin (short bio

David Ray Griffin (short bio below) will be a guest on
The Mike Malloy Show, Wednesday, February 22nd.

ways to hear this:

a.) internet--stream at starting
at 8:30pm MST live (7:30 PST, etc)

b.) download--one can download the program the
following day at

You can also call in BEFORE 8:30pm MST, and listen
while on hold, and lob a good softball question in to
Dr. Griffin so he can hit it out of the park! The
phone # for Air America Radio is:


Poopy, great news!!


great news!!

Mike Malloy fucking rules. i

Mike Malloy fucking rules. i wish had Air America in my area.i used to get the Randi Rhodes show until they cancelled it in my area recently.Malloy is quickly becoming an important figure in the 9/11 truth community.