I hope everyone is signing this pronto.

signed..

Maybe someone affiliated with 911Truth.org could make sure that this will be on the front of the website? Jon Gold perhaps?

I'm sure if you emailed Janice, Les, Gabriel, Michael, Mike, David, etc... one of them would post it.

janice@911truth.org
les@911truth.org
gabriel@911truth.org
michael@911truth.org
david@911truth.org

its always interesting to see who does and doesn't post what.. hopefully a bunch of sites will help push for this, but who knows.

yeah, i dont understand Ruppert anymore. i dont get why he would abandon 9/11. maybe its not making him enough money? does anyone know why? i dont remember Ruppert giving a concrete reason why he gave up on it.

Ruppert thinks the people who were responsible for 9/11 will never be held to account, and that it's better to focus on the now, etc... I don't agree with him, and I think he got out right before the 9/11 Truth Movement started to gain some credibility. It's a shame. I recently wrote him asking for him to step back into the fold because of everything that's going on. Never heard back from him.

I wholeheartedly agree... Ruppert has an ego as a result of the work he did. Now he wants to be paid for it.

i think Rupperts primary objective is to make money and get more fame. its hard for a guy to get onto mainstream media outlets if he goes around talking about how 9/11 was an inside job. im not making excuses for him, i wish Ruppert would come back into the fold as well, but i think he probably has money on his mind.

Right-on Jon, Ruppert has an ego the size of a house. After he gave his "Elephant Talk" I e-mailed him and expressed my disappointment. I also told him I would no longer subscribe to his web site. He e-mailed me back a nasty one, stating I didn't understand how corrupt the government was ect. I wrote him off. He is bad news.

Well maddog... there is little doubt that he contributed GREATLY to the movement, and I will forever respect him for his work. However, he is an asshole when he wants to be, and he has a massive ego...

Does SBG no longer work here?

Jon,

he has been preoccupied working on a side project, he is still around.

I thought you guys had a contract dispute or something.

dz, please link this new song of Ministry to your music segment.

It's great!

http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/go.php?http://we-dont.gotdns.org/~culhavoc/...

Here is one reason to sign the petition:

"As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110)."

http://www.coping.org/911/survivor/pentagon.htm

Nice fiction for MSM. Jets do not hit lamp posts without leaving debris.

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/lamps.html

And jets do not punch nice round holes three rings in. Kinetic energy tipped missiles do.

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/086.html

Did anyone notice how quickly this image spread on the Internet?

http://thomas-dillinger.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpicture...

Ministry fucking rules.

From 50 sigs to 235 -- overnight! L.A. is onto it. Hey, that teacher who was suspended for comparing Bush to Hitler was on Today this morning, and presented himself quite well. And Lauer was pretty even-handed with him.

The guy got a haircut too.

Ruppert is human. I don't agree with everything he writes but I have found his information/insight to be right on target.

He certainly out performs Peter Jennings. ;>)

pretty slick production (Ministry song linked) Sitting Bull. I was expecting a remnake of the Thompson Twins song of the same. It'd be cool if they threw it in as a dub. "Lies, Lies, Lies yeah -they're gonna get you!"
I dont think I'll play this one for my aged mother though. She might have a keeler :(

now if only the troops pick it up. Reprogram them for who their real enemy is!

sitting-bull:

any idea if that is a remix, or the actual version that will be on their new album?

't be better than the sick death metal they listen to that helps them turn into killing machines for the nwo, spraying du everywhere and allowing the dark force to reign as they shoot random cars or blow up car bombs and blame it on one of the other. They got the "Universal Adverasry now," we are such people. Bush makes legal all of Hitlers darkest dreams, but will he do it? read endgame: http://www.ice.gov/graphics/dro/endgame.pdf
and
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11901.htm
They fear the truth. They live by lies and deception and greed and power.
Give the troops ecstasy when they come back so they will forget what they are and did. Turn them into ticking bombs who'll slaughter there own families. Skull and Bones is the Order of Death and Bush family is at the center of the drugs and the Carlyle, and Saudi terror organization.
Enough of my rant
Peace someday.

Here is another reason to sign the petition:

The original Pentagon construction began SPTEMBER
ELEVENTH, 1941. The Pentagon's fictional poster child
also has significance to 9/11. SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH,
1968 is the birth date of the only Todd Beamer in the
SSDI.

http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/

The renovation of the five floors in Wedge 1,
approximately 1 million square feet of space, began in
1998. The project included major structural
demolition, installation of new utilities, and the
build-out of tenant areas. A phased move-in of tenants
began in February 2001. The section of the Pentagon
that was hit on September 11 was the first and only
section of the Pentagon undergoing renovation to
strengthen the building against a terrorist attack.

"The section known as Wedge 1 had been under
renovation and was scheduled for final completion on
Wednesday, September 12th, 2001."

http://www.aesvn.org/resources/Pentagon-Shoring.pdf

So, the Pentagon renovation began in 1998...

Anyone see the 1973 movie The Sting? It was about 1930s Chicago where a young con man seeking revenge for his murdered partner teams up with a master of the big con to win a fortune from a criminal banker. In 1998 Clinton was the fall guy. He more than likely was in on the Monica scam too. Look where Hillary is sitting. It's a big chess board and right now she is in a blocking position like Bill was when he blocked all state investigations into Papa Bush's drug running, I mean the Iran-Contra scandal.

@ dz: I guess it is an actual song from their coming album.

As Ministry-Fan in LC-forum stated:

Album called: "Rio Grande Blood. It doesn't come out until May 2nd. This was a pretty early leak."

http://69.28.73.17/thorn2006/altmedia.html

The Truth About the Alternative Media
by Lisa Guliani

According to Dictionary.com, the word Historic refers to what is important in history: It is also used in regard to what is famous or interesting because of its association with persons or events in history:

When a particular event is of great or lasting significance to a nation, institution, or a people, we tend to take particular note of it. The event is reported to the population via the conduit of establishment media venues and then is subsequently chronicled in the pages of established historical records to be accurately preserved for posterity. At least this is what is supposed to happen. If you’re reading this article, in all likelihood you’ve come to the chilling realization that mainstream media does not, in fact, bother to tell us what’s really going on in the world around us – and when it does churn out coverage of “important events” for public consumption, what we’re typically handed is far afield from the truth. What is truly significant or of great import to the people of a nation is not necessarily considered so to power. In reality, Power maintains its iron-fisted grip upon this thing we call information, and the result is that people know only what Power wants them to know, when and in the manner Power chooses. The traditional historical record overflows with distorted, warped, false and largely unchallenged versions of “significant events and famous individuals” of our present time and of times long past, and this diabolical pattern of intentional mass deception continues on even today, as I type these very words.

Again, if you’re reading this, then you probably already possess a level of clarity that most of the people in your everyday life have yet to attain, and so, you’ve read this stuff before. You already know that we cannot trust Power in government or the Power in Media to bring us truth, to include us in the information loop of what is going on in the world around us. We must seek this type of information for ourselves if we really want to learn, understand, make informed choices and decisions, grow as individuals, identify and fix the existent problems and systems that are broken within our society and culture, and create change. Okay, so the establishment press is not to be trusted as a conveyor of what is real or true or important. We then turn to the alternative media, seeking important information that is suppressed by traditional news venues, the stuff that never gets into the history books. The alternative media and its corresponding “truth” groups and organizations generate endless virtual pages of information designed to supposedly inform, educate, enlighten and increase awareness. We are told we’re getting the news the government and mainstream media do not want us to know, see and hear. We’re urged to “trust” this alternative press because it allegedly exists because its mainstream counterpart has failed miserably in doing its job. We’re urged to believe that yes, we can handle the truth and by God, we’re getting the truth.

My question is: why are so many events of great significance, lasting importance and historic proportion being completely ignored by this “last great hope” – the independent news media? Why is the alternative press totally dropping the ball when it comes to reporting news? Where are all the various groups and individuals when we need them to report and widely disseminate important information? Why are we seeing total blackouts on historic events, such as the February 23, 2006 interview on Coast to Coast AM between George Noory and the Scholars for 9-11 Truth? Where is our alternative media? Where are the self-proclaimed leading forces of 9-11 truth? I’ll tell you where they are. They’re busy hawking gold and silver, pretending to be independent/alternative, sculpting and perfecting their faux righteous indignation for effect, and cherry-picking tidbits and factoids, and even AP news items culled right from the mainstream press wires they purport to despise, disrespect, and are supposed to be replacing. What is happening in reality is that most of the so-called alternative, allegedly “independent” media venues are doing nothing more and nothing less than mirroring their pretend arch-enemy, the national news Liars Club. How can we say we’re getting the scoop from the “new media” when the “new media” is suppressing and containing valuable information? What the hell is going on here?

We saw the same exact suppression and containment last year when our alternative media “saviors” failed to cover the Oklahoma City Bombing 10th anniversary event, dubbed the “Day of Truth”. Furthermore, this abysmal excuse of an alternative media and the pathetic, transparent, self-serving opportunist shills who have crowned themselves leading proponents of 9-11 Truth also conveniently failed to report on the historic Ground Zero protest on September 11, 2005. Instead, they deliberately chose to tell you about a lovely little red herring prance they engaged in at the United Nations on a Sunday when businesses in the area were closed and there was nobody paying attention to even see them prancing, other than their own dance troupe of willing sign-holders. Where was the almighty Alex Jones with his blaring bullhorn on 9-11? He sure as hell wasn’t at the emotional epicenter, which is Ground Zero. Neither was anyone else at GCN or RBN or Rense or What Really Happened or Truthout. Greg Szymanski WAS there, but he chose to NOT report the story. Where were Daryl Smith and Eric Hufschmid? Jack Blood? Or how about the former conscience of the alleged movement, John Kaminski? So much for the last bastion and final frontier of truth, huh? WING TV, however, was there. We circulated the story everywhere, to both mainstream and alternative news venues and alleged ‘truth” groups alike. A few reported that historic event, and the rest sat behind their computers, cranking out the same old tired crapola we’ve all read a zillion times before and since, spinning as usual, with their thumbs wedged up their collective ass.

Tell me, is this something weÂ’re supposed to be proud of?

Which brings me back to the Coast to Coast AM interview on February 23, 2006. I donÂ’t even know why I need to say this again, but here goes: This was BREAKING NEWS. I personally alerted 319 political Internet groups and discussion forums, all of which circulate alternative news information; and sent each of them links to our reports on this interview along with the corresponding audio links so more people could listen to this mesmerizing historic discussion that took place on a major nationally syndicated radio talk show. We sent the same reports and links to many alternative media news venues (not all listed below) such as:

Alex Jones
Jeff Rense
What Really Happened
Truthout
Counterpunch
Air America
Amy Goodman of Disinformation Now
Mike Malloy
Randi Rhodes
Al Franken
Greg Szymanski
Antiwar.com
Legitgov.org
Mother Jones
Thom Hartmann
Laura Flanders
Jack Blood
William Rivers Pitt
The Power Hour

I also personally sent the reports and audio links to the following alleged “proponents of 9-11 truth”: The 911 Truth.org Steering Committee. (Please note their titles. This is supposed to mean they are important.)

- Executive Director Janice Matthews
- International Campaign Advisor David Kubiak
- National Outreach//Networking Coordinator Gabriel Day
- Northeast Program Coordinator Les Jamison
- Contributing Editor Bryan Sacks
- Contributing Editor Jon Gold
- Correspondent Nicholas Levis

So what was the result of all this emailing? Let’s see. I received a reply from Janice Matthews thanking me for the submission. Matthews did not say she was going to post the information or the audio clips of the interview. “Thanks for the submission.” To this day, the information remains unreported by 911truth.org, the “leaders” of the 9-11 truth “movement”. This is a little surprising, considering how they have promoted David Ray Griffin’s work in the past. Yeah, whatever.

I also received one of those handy-dandy impersonal auto-responses from the self-proclaimed Grandfather of the 9-11 Truth Movement: Mr. Alex Jones. So I know Jones received these reports and audio clips. He just didn’t bother to post them on his various websites or mention the BREAKING NEWS on his GCN broadcast or even on his cable access show. C’est la vie, buy his videos and crawl back into your fetal tuck, because Alex is too busy mind-wiping his audience and pitching his videos to divert attention away to something as inconsequential as BREAKING NEWS. I guess it’s not breaking news unless Alex is breaking it. How silly of me to think that the rest of the alternative media and 9-11 truth movement might possess even the remotest interest in the fact that on February 23, 2006, three well-respected academians with impeccable credentials stepped up to the plate and hammered out the truth about 9-11 like it has never been done before to the largest audience to date - and at least five million people around the world got to hear something other than 9-11 bullshit for a change. Historic is what it was, and is, and the alternative press and 9-11 Truth “elites” once again blew it. 911truth.org did manage to headline other events and stories they apparently considered worthy, but they couldn’t even be bothered to muster a tiny blurb mentioning the Coast to Coast AM interview?

So who did report this breaking news? To the best of my ability, I‘ve tried to track this all week.

- WING TV
- Frank Whalen – Republic Broadcasting Network – RBNLive.c

SBG... is this you?

dz better up your pay, sbg... ive been meaning to tell you "youve been doing a heck of a good job sbg". keep it up...

then on the other hand, why the hell is dz outsoursing our jobs??!!??

Maybe we should create a work-plan for things todo. Especially meta-tags.

Creating Talking Points, FAQs, Who is Who list.

I'm very interesting to create a list of 911 truthers. It should be very awful and very impressive.

Together, with the brain and power of some people, we can do it.

I offer my help.

Jon: Where the men are men, and the sheep are nervous. Where do you get that stuff? Just want to say I, for one, appreciate road66 rant on the alternative media. So many stories don't get covered. I heard that Cindy Sheehan got really roughed up delivering a petition to a UN delegation when they changed their mind at the last minute. Heard it from Truthout. Not a word on T.V. I'm sure Cindy will have something to say ... if she's out of jail???

what is meta-tags?

Hey Jon, that was me, didn't think it would hit the news like that. Oh well, unlike your mother, the sheep don't expect me to stay the night...

Inside: You've always had my back, starting with my ill advised, "This girl is hot" thread. Thanks!!

Sitting-Bull: I agree, I think we need a database of Truthers so that we can stay in contact in the event the Internet is shut down. Question is, who do we all trust enough to track that information and not share it with the government for the forthcoming "roundup"???

Maybe a series of lists tracked by several people might be a better idea. Everyone tracks the Truthers in their own region. We do need to consider this possibility because if the Internet is shut down, the movement would fall apart.

Or, you can just add your name to 911Truth.org's Grassroots page. What do I know...

@ Randy: First we had lonely researches. Then a blogger. Now a scolars group. IMO now it's time for meta-tasks (tags maybe pc-speech), like creating a think tank with a short, common goal, talking points, the most compelling evidence and reduced to its core and presenting the truthers.

How do you think about www.911ttt.org
( truth think tank ) for example?

I've spent some time already on this thought, but I'm not the only one thinking that something like that should be founded by american citizens for some reasons.

If a was an american citizen, and my english a little bit better, that's excactly what I would do next. But I wasn't american citizen and my english is quite bad, yet. So I can only offer my help to other couragous people.

First effort: 100 names of 911 truthers, in no specific order. Do I forget someone? Is someone on the list we don't need to cover?

Steven E. Jones
Jim Fetzer
David Ray Griffin
Morgan Reynolds
Cynthia McKinney
Jonathan Gold
Victor Thorn
Webster Tarpley
Michael Riviero
Dylan Avery
Phil Jayhan
Daniel von Kleist
Daryl Bradford Smith
Mathias Bröckers
Gerhard Wisnewski
Thierry Meissan
Jim Hoffmann
Lisa Guliani
Phil Berg
Greg Szymanski
Culhavoc
Carol Brouillard
Jesse TvNewslies
Don Paul
David Kay
Woody Box
Christian C. Walther
Killtown
Alex Jones
Jeff Rense
Rick Siegel
Kevin Ryan
Judy Wood
Jack White
John Kaminski
Andreas von Bülow
Paul Thompson
John Judge
Jenna Orkin
Barry Zwicker
John Doe II
Reprehensor
dz
somebigguy
Edward Rynearson
Kevin Barret
Ken Jenkins
Nils Sagadevan
Donna Marsh O'Connor
Paul Craig Roberts
Nico Haupt
Rosalee Grable
Michael C. Ruppert
Plaguepuppy
Daniel Hopsicker
Jimmy Walter
Gerard Holmgren
Peter Dale Scott
Lloyd DeMause
A.K. Dewdney
John McMurtry
Robert M. Bowman
Carl Weis
Wayne Madsen
Nafeez Ahmed
Dustin Mogford
Michael Meacher
Michael Springman
Cap. May
William Rodriguez
Chaim Kupferberg
Jared Israel
Eric Hufschmid
Jack Riddler
Ray Ubinger
Steve Butler
David Cobb
Felipe David
Catherine Austin Fitts
Salvatore Giambanco
Stanley Hilton
Tom Knapp
Mary Maxwell
Ray McGovern
George Nelson
Timothy S. McNiven
David Shyler
Jose Sanchez
Jesse Ventura
Russ Wittenberg
Leonid Ivashov
Sibel Edmonds
Tom Flocco
Greg Palast
Gregor Holland
Andreas Hauß
911blimp
Michael Wolsey
Janice Matthews
David Kubiak

Sitting-Bull... how many of those people are currently active in the movement?

I don't know the right number.

I go on with my work tomorrow. Search for who are they, why became they members of the movement, what's their main efforts / theories / publications with shortcuts and links, how active they are at present, how much they had been harrased, and how much time they spent for infighting.

It should be very interesting.

Well... if you'd like an accurate number as to how many hours I've spent fighting with people... hmmmmmm...

I'd say close to 3000 hours.

Now... the amount of hours I've spent "infighting"... hmmmmm... 1 or 2?

BTW... my fighting with SBG doesn't count.

@ Jon: It's useless to beg for a better rating ;-)

You have already the "low" grade in my list.

Please understand:
I don't want to to harm on 911 researchers or positions, I do not want to weigh in one side or the other, it's quite certain impossible to waste just more time in this.

I just want to search how much time some people already wasted with this "divide et empera" game instead of turning against the official conspiracy theory.

A "low grade"?!?!?! Yeah, that sounds about right. After all, I'm just joe schmoe. I'm no Griffin.

You're missing, Les Jamieson, Emanuel Stefarios, Nick Levis, Carol Brouillet, Sander Hicks, and a few others I'm sure... everyone who signed JusticeFor911.org, everyone who's signed Sibel's petition, everyone who's signed the Scholars Petition, etc...

First thank you, I'll add them.

Of course there are probably millions more. I don't want to create some kind of new leadership, trust the anarchy-boy. ;-)