Robertson didn't get his seat on the Board this time though. God works in mysterious ways.

Is Nico on the crack?

to agree with nico's opinions requires believing that every video (15-20+) of the second impact is fake, i can't do that.. fine if he and others can, but his page didnt show me anything that convinced me all of the footage is completely fake.. i just dont buy it.

Here is an email I just sent to:

askdoj@usdoj.gov
nsapao@nsa.gov
webmaster@uae.gov.ae
b.nelson.mp@aph.gov.au
customerservice@dpa.co.ae
ips-contact@iran-press-service.com

Who are the real terrorists?

Knowing that 9/11 was a US military shock and awe
program and not a terrorist event, the following news
reports still give me concern about our safety and who
the real terrorists may be. Who are Tamir D. Sason,
and Daniel Levy and how do they relate to post 9/11
events?

http://www.news4jax.com/news4georgia/3344771/detail.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20040609201359/http://www.wcyb.tv/newsread.as...

You may be asking yourself who Samuel Dahan is. He is
the son of the Likud Party spokesperson Shmuel Dahan.
Another important bit of information left out of this
news report is that they were busted near the Nuclear
Fuel Services plant in Erwin,Tennessee.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020316223600/www.nuclearfuelservices.com/Sp...

A friend gave me a copy of the following DVD. You may
find it informative.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change

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And this was the first reply from the US Department of Justice:

"I will be out of the office Friday 17."

The no plane theory at the WTC is baloney, period! Let's stick to things we can prove in a court of law like the controlled demolition.

i dont understand how the 'evidence' can be enough for nico and others to believe in 'no planes' 100% when even someone like me who believes in a 9/11 conspiracy cant read their work and get any symblance of proof.

i read the 3 articles, i dont see their evidence, or at least how it is any bit conclusive evidence and i know that anyone who isn't already 'on the bandwagon' certainly wont see any evidence in their claims either.

maybe they just need to layout their arguement better, to me it seems like cherry picking information to make an assertion which otherwise would be baseless. not saying they are wrong, just saying they are not making a very compelling arguement, and seem to ignore anything which supports the counter arguement.

but thats just my 2 cents.

Counter-argument? You mean like the millions of New Yorkers who saw two planes fly into the buildings? The millions of New Yorkers who watched their friends and family die, and their country be taken into a direction that no longer benefits the people, but the corporations? Sorry, but now is NOT the time to put evidence forward that hinders the movement. Nico Haupt, thanks for that great waste of my time.

Here's a little secret. Do you REALLY want to know what the BEST piece of evidence we have for complicity on the part of our Government? It's right here.

Thank you to our Government for making SO MANY copies available.

I tell you... In that piece of evidence, I love reading about what Sibel Edmonds had to say. I love reading about the wargames that were taking place on 9/11. I love reading about the collapse of World Trade Center 7. I love reading about the RIDICULOUS amount of warnings that told us what was going to take place on 9/11. I love reading about David Schippers, and what he has to say. I love reading about how Dick Cheney made it to the PEOC by 9:10. Oh wait, you say they didn't bother covering that stuff, and lied about it instead? Now why on earth would they do something like that? ANY reputable court in this great land of ours would come to the same conclusions we have.

I recently purchased a very nice stainless steel grill from BJ's wholesale club that was made in China.(60,000 btu, side burner,& rotisserie) The price was great too, $299!

But as I sit here waiting for the next synthetic terror event to happen, I wonder if what I'm looking at is recycled WTC steel?

I agree with mr. gold; the weakest link in the govt. fairytale is the 911 commission report -
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but I still don't understand how 175 could've slipped into the side of south as if it was insubstantial - a phenomenon that we can all see with our own eyes -
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I love reading about the President asking his staff to find a way to invade Iraq 10 days after his inauguration. Oh wait... that wasn't in there either? Damn.

Get me on the damn radio. I have something to say.

AmandaR--You've posted some really good stuff here previously. However, I think you're going off a wild tangent with this no-plane rubbish. Please come back to reality.

I mean what are debunkers/mainstream media going to do to discredit a serious group as Scholars for 9-11 Truth? they are going to take the less credible theory they associate themselves with to discredit the whole movement.

And with court of law i meant that as a figure of speech. I have no illusions it will ever get to court as long as the puppet masters pull the strings.

yes AmandaR, you need to come back to reality and just accept that for a very brief moment flight175 slipped into another dimension so it could pass thru the wall of south without making so much as a dent - get with the program lady!

Thanks Matt- The melting steel and thermite video is great. I plan on using their longer clip in the DVD I'm making for local distribution. The longer clip not only shows the thermite in action, but you see the helicopter scurry off right before the implosion.

http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Molten%20Metal%20from%20WTC.mpg

I didn't realize that 911blogger.com has several "hologrammers" on it.

Let me save all of you the suspense.

Two planes hit the World Trade Center. If you say or imply otherwise, you're discounting every witness account from every person living in the New York area. If you say or imply otherwise, you make the 9/11 Truth Movement a laughing stock.

Please stop doing that.

I have no illusions it will ever get to court as long as the puppet masters pull the strings.

good point - it sort of makes the whole thing seem like a pointless waste of time - kind of like the no-plane theory -

if you guys will admit that the manner in which 175 slipped thru the side of south was very fishy looking, and promise to think about why it might have appeared that way, then I will promise to never bring it up on this blog again! GHOST GUN UA175

just to be sure I'm clear, the 20 or so videos (including all of those by amateurs), and however many photos, were at some point manufactured by inserting 3d renderings of planes?

i try to be fair by covering articles from all different opinions on topics, but i think that once the breadth of such a theory was argued it would become less and less plausible.. i would like to have such an arguement on the subject if anyone is up for it.. if so join yourbbsucks and post a thread with links to what you think is provable evidence so i can read up on it and make a counter-arguement..

keep it social everyone! :)

James--you are as dense than the former WTC towers. I'll state this as simply as possible: The airliners were flying 450 mph--they punctured the towers like a lead bullet punctures steel armor.

James Ha and AR

It was a pressurised object with a sharp knife on each side... Shit it's a tin opener...

Bluescreen FREAKS

Sorry dz... but that shit won't be allowed on my site.

I would go as far to say the CNN news
director, knew when the towers were going to fall but the "no-plane" theory is complete and dangerous, disinfo rubbish.

And the first person to mention "censorship" will get a serious bashing from me. Be forewarned.

AmandaR--"I recently purchased a very nice stainless steel grill from BJ's wholesale club that was made in China.(60,000 btu, side burner,& rotisserie)..."

If it looses 1/2 its strenth & implodes during use, you'll know it was recycled WTC steel.

For those who didn't hear me, or didn't listen, here is the best piece of evidence we could ever hope for.

Everything starts there...

George Clooney calls for film submissions of 30-60 films of important social issues -

um, I think that's too much time for most peoples information processing ability.

can someone forward this to Dylan Avery?

http://www.drudgereport.com/cl.JPG

I know people don't like Ruppert because of the supposed "Peak Oil Scam", and that he says "9/11 is a dead issue", and that he has dropped off the map as far as the 9/11 Truth Movement is concerned, however...

One of the things Ruppert contributed to the movement wasn't his book.

It was advice on the best way to fight "them".

Use their words AGAINST them.

I've been doing it for 3+ years now, and I can honestly say that it is a VERY powerful weapon in our arsenal.

Example...

"had I had any inkling whatsoever that the people were going to fly airplanes into buildings, we would have moved heaven and earth to save the country"

Oh really Georgie?

Dennis Kucinich says that you're "suppressing a report" that says you knew more than you're letting on regarding 9/11.

We just found out that you were briefed about the levees a few days before they were breached, and yet, according to you, no one "anticipated the breach of the levees."

Anyway...

Their Words

Use them well...

We don't need words, we need action.

And how do you propose convincing people to take action?

Jon Gold, I wanted to thank you for continuing to be a voice of reason and a beacon of filtering in mainstream news reports(which must not be an easy task considering how vast the internet is)

It is truly sad that people continue to say no real planes hit the towers, and that a missle hit the pentagon. These are theories not even folks like Alex Jones promotes, and he feels a shadowy order is behind everything. This is why most dems and activists/anti war people will not take on the 9/11 truth cause, as way too many people shouting extremely false and easily disprovable claims.
I guess they havent seen the ample evidence of passenger plane wreckage at both in and around ground zero and the pentagon. The US hasnt released the full pentagon footage, OMG that MUST mean a missle hit it!

Well know the Flight 93 hero story is bunk.(be it the hijackers ran out of jet fuel or it was shot down)
We all know WTC7 was most likely controlled demolition, and we all know the evidence for total foreknowlege is very strong and concrete. But its these pod-flash-hologram-missle etc theories that ultimately taint the 9/11 Truth movement, fracture it, and does exactly what the US government wants: makes it all seem just incredibly wacky to be taken seriously. When will people START applying the same rigorous standards to their theories as they would want the government and media in theirs?

People within the alternative should all join efforts in a common goal and urge their listeners/members way ahead of time to take an active role and be present in massive numbers at the next 9-11 Ground Zero remembrance day so it can no longer be ignored by the mainstream media. And that means the big names in the alternative media should be present too.

I believe scholars for 9-11 truth being the recent new hottest addition to the truth movement needs to start advocating that as well.

Thanks.

Pockybot

Please don't associate bluescreen dreamers with valid Pentagon research and WTC entry flash analysis...

Also what do you mean "WTC7 was most likely controlled demolition"

It only gets wacky if you let it !!!

Cheers
;)

It is truly sad that people continue to say no real planes hit the towers

damnit, I was desisting even! - ok, so maybe NOW you guys can point me in the direction of a 175/south clip that doesn't look like a phony cartoon? -
so if a real plane hit WTC2, was it actually 175 or was it a remote controlled drone?

It is truly sad that people continue to say ........, and that a missle hit the pentagon

wait a minute, if a missile didn't hit the pentagon, then what did?

I can make a 30-60 second clip out of footage on the internet...

This could be fun.

I'd like some ideas from you folks as to what "significant" segments should be added to it...

Here are some I would use (audio or vid)

1: Bush "let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories......."
2: Larry Silverstein Pull It comments
3: The collapses of 1,2,7 (probably freeze/point to the juts of debris, as well as post how fast it fell)
4: Bush blocking al qaeda investigation
5: OBL "Confession"
6: Pentagon/Shanksville sites

It's hard to put it all in a minute, but I think it can be done to the theme of Pink Floyd's "Run Like Hell"

The Asylum is that way...

DHS - excellent idea! I think you should include ANY clip of 175 hitting the south tower that DOESN'T LOOK like a ghost slipping right thru the wall without even making a hole - you'd think there would be such a clip, but there doesn't seem to be....

"wait a minute, if a missile didn't hit the pentagon, then what did?"

Flight 77?

Jon, a fine kos diary, thanks!

Sitting-Bull,

I posted about a month ago with Straussian-and-similar stuff. I'll try to recreate it here, but I'm forgetting a few from what I posted before.

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I am indebted to Shadia Drury’s book (Leo Strauss and the American Right) and published interviews for the following:
First: Strauss believed that a leader had to perpetually deceive the citizens he ruled.
Secondly: Those who lead must understand there is no morality, there is only the right of the superior to rule the inferior.
Thirdly: According to Drury, Religion “is the glue that holds society together.”[40] It is a handle by which the ruler can manipulate the masses. Any religion will do. Strauss is indifferent to them all.
Fourthly: “Secular society…is the worst possible thing,” because it leads to individualism, liberalism, and relativism, all of which encourage dissent and rebellion. As Drury sums it up: “You want a crowd that you can manipulate like putty.”[41]
Fifthly: “Strauss thinks that a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat; and following Machiavelli, he maintains that if no external threat exists, then one has to be manufactured.”[42]
Sixthly: “In Strauss’s view, the trouble with liberal society is that it dispenses with noble lies and pious frauds. It tries to found society on secular rational foundations.”
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

''those who are fit to rule are those who realise there is no morality and that there is only one natural right, the right of the superior to rule over the inferior''.
''Because mankind is intrinsically wicked, he has to be governed,'' he once wrote. ''Such governance can only be established, however, when men are united - and they can only be united against other people''.
"Strauss thinks that a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat," Drury wrote in her book. "Following Machiavelli, he maintains that if no external threat exists, then one has to be manufactured."
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=18038

The aide [to gwbush] said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html
http://www.deeperwants.com/cul1/homeworlds/articles/withoutadoubt.html

Ooh, I know how we can definitely prove/disprove the various theories - build a new WTC and crash a plane into it! Any scientific theory requires replication to be accepted, after all.

Sigh.

The whole plane/no plane argument seems like a waste of time to me - there are more important, better supported things to focus on. And going against eyewitness testimony, multiple video/photo evidence, and Occam's Razor, seems counterproductive.

Here's everything I have on Strauss...

Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power

The Film US TV Networks Dare Not Show

Apocalypse Of Coercion: Why We Listen To What "They" Say About 9/11

PNAC's Leviathan Has Petered Out

The Christian Mafia - Must Read

And the "Power Of Nightmares" is available in the YBBS Video Collection.

That really goes over the Straussian nonsense.

Glad it's on google video. Also downloadable here in hi-rez:

The Power of Nightmares -- BBC 10-27-04
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

James--

1. What possible motive could the perpetrators have in using "fake" planes instead of real planes at the WTC???

2. Wouldn't new high-tech methods (if they exist) be extremely risky in that a small error/failure would reveal the entire 9/11 operation as a gov't-sponsored, ultra-high-tech fraud?

3. About 80% of the posts to this fine article are now devoted to real vs. fake planes at the WTC. Are you a slick disinfo agent muddying the waters, or are you just an imbecile wasting everyone's time?

Still arguing Plane vs No Plane???

How many flyers could have been delivered in this time period? 9/11 was an inside job, it doesn't matter how it was done, go forth and multiply!!!!

http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.pdf

multiple video/photo evidence

but that's part of my point! - the 3 or so videos of the actual impact show a plane that doesn't conform to any known models, in a lighting situation that doesn't click with the known position of the sun at that exact moment, and melting thru the side of south like a ghost!

anonymous, why don't you just assume that I'm an imbecile and be so kind as to point me to a clip of 175/south that doesn't look phony -
am I truly wasting your time or are you just irritated because I'm challenging some preconceived notions that don't actually bear up under scrutiny? - do forgive me.

I haven't handed out any fliers but I am still making and handing out DVD's - in plane site, confronting the evidence, and loose change.

Hey James, I don't disagree with you, but at the same time we gotta pick our battles carefully.

Its unlikely we're ever gonna win any converts discussing holograms, pods, or video fakery. Sad but true. I for one do believe the planes were swapped and a missle hit the Pentagon, but I have given up trying to prove any of that.

Anyway, I'm not trying to minimize the work you are doing, please keep delivering the DVDs!!!

All you have to do is prove the demolitions. Were not supose to have or be able to prove all the details of this covert-op. IT WAS A SCAM!

SBG, it's cool, I can deal with being minimized if that ever happens -
and I'm not really trying to prove that there were no planes, but I just wish that even one person would admit that the 175 impact looks very fishy - you're the 1st one to even say that you thought the planes had been swapped; I was beginning to wonder if everyone thought it was really 175 that hit the tower - speaking of the tower, look at these outside columns::
the outer columns of the WTC

this is an excellent blog that you guys have created here, and I'm glad to have caused a slight ruckus - ha!

James, THANKS for doing the DVD thing!!

(sez FrankV, settin' on a new stack of 197 blank DVD-Rs, groovin' to Ministry yet again...)

Okay, planes traveling @ 550 mph look fishy when striking office buildings. So do other ballistics when videoed on standard equipment. Let's move on now.

ok anonymous, topic of your choice, you pick -

Whatever hit the towers; plane, hologram, misstle ect. isn't the least bit important. That was strictly a deversion."Shock and Awe" as Rummy puts it. The real action took place at the base of the building. Focus on controlled demolition. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. Also do as Ruppert suggests, use their own words against them or as Jon Gold suggests, the 9/11 Commission Report.

Thx Jon for all that stuff. Great!

And also to FrankV. Muchos gracias!

This podcast is the first in a series which takes on the official story that impact from large jetliners, together with intense fires brought down the World Trade Center and WTC 7. Included, is a discussion of the phrase "outrageous conspiracy theories" and 11 features of controlled demolitions exhibited by the collapse of the twin towers and building 7.

Part 1:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility911/visibility_9-11_podcast_1-29...

This podcast is the second in a 3 part series which takes on the official story that impact from large jetliners, together with intense fires brought down the World Trade Center and WTC 7. Included, is a discussion of the phrase "outrageous conspiracy theories" and 11 features of controlled demolitions exhibited by the collapse of the twin towers and building 7.

Part 2:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility911/2-5-06_podcast.mp3

This podcast features the 3rd and final in the series of shows exploring the hypothesis that pre-planted explosives were used to bring down the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7 in a controlled demolition.

Part 3:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility911/visibility_9-11_2-19-06.mp3

Just as expected..

Don't Allow the Crackpots to Take Over 9/11

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27264046.shtml

"Why don't you write about this?" he said. He didn't have literature, and I didn't have time, but he had a website: www.st911.org. "It's the truth about 9/11," he said.
Posted Mar 12, 2006 10:02 AM PST
Category: 911

www.st911.org pushes the "no plane at Pentagon nonsense".

The above came from http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/