SEPTEMBER 11: Evidence to the Contrary REDUX 2006

Anyone seen this? I found it while searching for other information, its fairly recent, from Feb 20. I don't have time to check it out right now, if anyone does, let us know how it is...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6545313046180631815

I have not seen SEPTEMBER

I have not seen SEPTEMBER 11: Evidence to the Contrary REDUX 2006.

But I did see Dame Edna Goes Shopping.

http://www.kucinich.us/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=23963#23963

The Discovery Channel documentary, 'The Flight That Fought Back', is based on research evidence including the 9/11 Commission Report and voice recordings left by passengers and crew members of United flight 93, including the famous "Let's roll" call to action, from passenger Todd Beamer. There is only one problem. Todd Beamer does not exist.

Do a Social Security Death Index search for Todd Beamer at:
http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

You get one record with the date of birth as SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH, 1968 and date of death as 6/10/97.

Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the Social Security Death Index.

Todd Beamer's marriage: I prepared for our wedding on May 14,1994. I had always wanted to move back East, ... Our wedding took place at the First Baptist Church in Peekskill, New York pg 97 "Let's Roll" by Lisa Beamer

Do a marriage license search at:

http://www.genlookups.com/ny_marriages/

There are no marriage license records for Todd Beamer and Lisa Brosious!

Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation!

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Judy Larocque Laurie Neira Candace Lee Williams

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Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

William Caswell Eddie Dillard Ian Gray John Sammartino Leonard Taylor

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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Michael C. Tarrou Gloria Debarrera Timothy Ward

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Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

No one

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Maybe this is why:

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard Reported by: 9News Staff Web produced by: Liz Foreman 9/11/01 11:43:57 AM "A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White. White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline [didn't] say how many people were aboard the flight. United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles. On behalf of the airline CEO James Goodwin said: "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved. "United is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights," he said." -WCPO-TV (09/11/01) [Reprinted at: 911Truth.org, Global Free Press, Rense.com]

http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/http:/wcpo.com/specials/2001/a...
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323 http://www.usdoj.gov/archive/victimcompensation/
http://911digitalarchive.org/objects/3.pdf http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua93.victims.html
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua175.victims.html

TODD BEAMER'S WEBSITE-

What do key supporters of Israel have to do with TODDBEAMER.ORG?

Todd Beamer's website expired on 12 /20/05. I performed a Whois search on that web site before it had expired and have saved the data in the original state it was found. It was set up only 9 days later on 9/20/01! And when you search the address that appears, 701 Mount Lucas Rd, Princeton, New Jersey it also belongs to The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.

Domain ID:D77549499-LROR
Domain Name:TODDBEAMER.ORG
Created On:20-Sep-2001 13:01:54 UTC
Last Updated On:10-Dec-2004 21:52:41 UTC
Expiration Date:20-Sep-2005 13:01:54 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-04172622
Registrant Name:Lara Holt
Registrant Organization:Beamer Foundation
Registrant Street1:701 Mount Lucas Rd
Registrant City:Princeton
Registrant State/Province:New Jersey
Registrant Postal Code:08540
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.6094979777
Registrant Email:lholt@heroicchoices.org
Admin ID:GODA-24172622
Admin Name:Lara Holt
Admin Organization:Beamer Foundation
Admin Street1:701 Mount Lucas Rd
Admin City:Princeton
Admin State/Province:New Jersey
Admin Postal Code:08540
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.6094979777
Admin Email:lholt@beamerfoundation.org
Tech ID:GODA-14172622
Tech Name:Lara Holt
Tech Organization:Beamer Foundation
Tech Street1:701 Mount Lucas Rd
Tech City:Princeton
Tech State/Province:New Jersey
Tech Postal Code:08540
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.6094979777
Tech Email:lholt@beamerfoundation.org
Name Server:NS2.PROPAGATION.NET
Name Server:NS.PROPAGATION.NET

http://www.gs.com/office_locator/us.html

Larry Silverstein, lease-holder of the World Trade Center, and Lewis Eisenberg, the man who negotiated the lease, are key supporters of Israel who have both held high positions in the largest Israeli fundraising institution in the United States.

Silverstein and his Australian-Israeli partner, Westfield Mall's Frank Lowy, are the real estate developers who obtained 99-year leases on the rental and retail spaces of the World Trade Center 6 weeks before the catastrophe of Sept. 11.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2003/09/03/september11/whoswho571456_0_6...

http://westfield.com/southpark/

They have since bought the Sears Tower.

http://www.realestatejournal.com/propertyreport/newsandtrends/20040312-s...

Although their leased property is destroyed, the lease-holders themselves stand to gain over 7 billion dollars from insurance.

Eisenberg, the former chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, personally arranged the privatization of the World Trade Center property and oversaw the negotiations that delivered the leases into the private hands of Silverstein and Lowy.

Eisenberg is a “New York moneyman” and a former Democrat who supports the liberal wing of the Republican Party. He has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to “pro-choice” Republican candidates. The newly appointed finance chairman for the Republican National Committee, Eisenberg has also served as a vice president of the strong arm of the Israeli lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

On August 5th, 2005 two former officials of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee were charged with disclosing US national security secrets to a foreign power, identified privately by US officials as Israel.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1722854,00.html

When New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman appointed Eisenberg chairman of the Port Authority in February 1996, Forbes magazine said the formerly disgraced Goldman Sachs partner “got real lucky.”

“What a strange political appointment,” the magazine said, “considering the part he played in the sex scandal that rocked Goldman and the financial community in the late 1980s.”

Eisenberg quit Goldman Sachs after his secretary accused him of sexually harassing her.

This video is a great

This video is a great compilation.

Brzezinski calls for Iraq

Brzezinski calls for Iraq pull out:
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20060316-032303-6321r

October 1997: Brzezinski Highlights the Importance of Central Asia to Achieving World Domination:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a1097chessboard

I recognize that I'm not the

I recognize that I'm not the target audience for such videos, and that what works to convince the target audience doesn't work for me.

But I have come to recognize that no one has ever meaningfully defeated The Big Lie. The power of The Big Lie is not to be underestimated, even for its effects on those who have partially or even fully seen through it! And do the makers of such films truly have a sufficiently solid grasp on what happened to keep from misleading their audience?

When Alex Jones talks about the "money man" for Mohammed Atta, that reinforces the belief that Muslim "hijackers" are to blame for 9/11, which enables the audience to go on clinging to their false belief set even as they are being offered another set of beliefs. Such approaches fail to take into account the power of TBL, and are thus doomed to failure IMHO. http://911blimp.net/TBLexplained.htm

When the audience is told that "most (sic) of the jet (sic) fuel went up in the initial fireball", that supports the belief that the towers were hit by jets (which means Boeing passenger airliners to most folks, which infers, once again, that they can go on blaming Muslim "hijackers", because "what else could it be?" [ha!]). Nevermind that more than 100% of a 767's fuel load was required to have created the immense fireballs!!!. So whenever I hear about "all that 'jet' fuel, but in a way which permits the govt's fairly tale of 9/11 to persist, instead of shattering it, I'm suspicious, even though I recognize thta the power of TBL can cause people with the best of intentions to present evidence in a counter-productive fashion like that.

Ditto all that chatter about the supposed "pulverization", despite the fact that no viable pulverization theory exists which can account for what became of the WTC buildings!!!

The 9-11 Commission Report ignored a few handfuls of facts in order to present its theory of 9/11.

Some 911 truthers ignore 1 handful of facts in presenting their case.

And the audience will quickly tire of learning that they've been fed a faulty theory, and will soon reject them all (how many times will a reasonable person re-think everything they think they know about 9/11 before reasonably concluding that no one really knows, and none of us can ever be sure, so why bother?), which will permit TBL to persist.

While I recognize the value of a preponderance of evidence, I remain of the opinion that it is counter-productive to present such a huge mountain of facts, which makes it seem as if that is necessary to persuade. It only takes one counter-example to disprove a theory, so if we need so many, doesn't that imply that the government's theory has not already been thoroughly shattered? And don't the weaker points dilute and distract from the stronger ones after a certain point?

I don't know what the ideal/perfect/magic length is for a production like that to convince (but I do know that a certain length is necessary for a DVD to be commercially viable).

But when it goes on and on and on and repeats itself, and leaves out some facts, and relies upon false predicates (ie, "pulverization"), it rubs me the wrong way. And I'm sure it leaves some of the intended audience thinking that this is all a matter of opinion, to which everyone is entitled, rather than a set of incontrovertable, government-theory-shattered facts.

It is because I recognize the power, and historically undefeated record, of The Big Lie that I am so rigorous/critical regarding how we go about defeating TBL -- and talk of how/why we cannot blame the collapses on "airplanes", followed by worrying about Mohammed Atta's "money man", permits the [power of TBL] ("Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.") to persist in the minds of most people.

And when that happens, The Big Lie wins.
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Not to encourage comments as

Not to encourage comments as long as articles but I found this about ToddBeamer.org to be intereseting:

"Heroic Choices focuses on children between the ages of 8 to 12. Say the name Todd Beamer and people recognize it at once. Say the name Heroic Choices and you will likely get a blank stare. We are trying to generate awareness of this organization.

...the staff of Heroic Choices. ... Lara Holt, the finance director, has been with the organization since the aftermath of 9/11. ...

"We are located in a converted farmhouse near Princeton which is part of the Goldman Sachs office. That company has donated this wonderful space to Heroic Choices.

from:
http://heroicchoices.org/newsevents/news2005/trenton_times_HC.html

Goldman Sachs provides the office space at 701 Mt. Lucas Road.

Hey 911blimp I wouldn't

Hey 911blimp

I wouldn't worry.

TBL is just that.. and everybody
will come to realise that.

The reason why so many Americans
still will not accept it - is this:

The whole history of USA
(read: people's history ZINN)
is full of big crimes and lies,
not unlike other countries,
and the schizophrenia is that
all have been told:

"We are the best"

turns out to be :

"We are the worst"

IF you exclude shades of grey, like
we are neither the best nor the worst,
it still is an enourmous leap of faith. Thats will take time to sink in.

But the Bushites have done the world
a great service. With 911 they have
once and for all done away with all
belief in the benevolence of
power-holders, and have effectivly
killed the faith in hierarchies being
"ok".

After 911 is out, all we have to do is
say:

"remember 911"

I have a suggestion:

Use humour.

Make funny videos that show your
DISTANCE to the subject, while
professing DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF DETAILS.

YEAH make a soap like
THATS MY BUSH about the events of 911.

... haha so funny how Daniel Levin tried to fight the agents....

... haha.. how funny when the 11 remote control went off and bombs ripped through the bodies of
these poor workers in Madrid...

poor taste is not a problem.
Watch THATS MY BUSH where Cheney
inhaled the last breath of a guy
on the electric chair.

This will irk the oligarchs no end.

Don't waste your time with nutty websites, start working on the script and find finance from a film-fund.

hmmmm lc SE tucker infowars

hmmmm lc SE tucker infowars alexjones simple this movie is NEO-CONFUSION

I put this film together...

I put this film together... seems pretty cut and dry to me...