None of those you listed are "experts" in the relevant fields of expertise needed: structural engineering and forensic scince.

You're deluding yourself to think any of them are qualified to discuss the physics of the collpase

C'mon start THINKING!

Everytime a group I'm with engages into discussion on 9/11 I'm alway the first to stand up and say "I don't think Osama did it"

Steel structured buildings do not collapse at "free fall" speed because of fire.

None of those you listed are "experts"....

Common sense is all that's needed to see that 9/11 was an inside job, false-flag operation.
Modern, steel-framed buildings do not fall because the over-insured shyster landlord speaks with a fire chief. Firefighters do not demolish/implode buildings.

And if Sylverstein meant the firemen should leave the building (not that the fire dept would give a shit what Silverstein thought), he would have said, "pull out" or "pull back", not "pull it."

Silverstein was on a PBS documentary. He lied about how WTC-7 imploded. This building was hundreds of feet from the towers & the "scattered fires on several floors" bullshit wasn't cutting it.

WTC-7 was pre-wired for a controlled demolition, and so were WTC-1 & WTC-2.

This one cracks me up:

"You know they found one of the hijacker's passports unmarked in the wreckage of the twin towers. Do you think they should return it to him?"

Here's one I always use, if I'm having trouble getting a cell signal at work, I'll make the comment to those around me that I'd probably get a good signal if I was 30000 feet up.

Yeah, we are all driving around in the evidence now unfortunately.

Anyway, Flanstein, did you know that the U.S. imports about 50 percent of their oil from Canada?

Do you know just how dependent the American "way of life" is on Canadian resources?

You better think long and hard about who you are protecting, because I guarantee you they don't give TWO SHITS about you, your family, or your country.

This is not a game, and your indifference to it all will not help you in the long run.

*Current* U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney?

a few good quotes in this ..

http://www.nypress.com/17/30/news&columns/AlanCabal.cfm

every suburban homeowner will want the miraculous PentaGrass!!!

"Hello, Mom, this is Mark Bingham"

what kid calls their mom and says that.

The plain truth can really flabbergast people. This is especially true with 911 truth and skepticism. So the best one liner for me is something like: Trust me, you will much happier for a little while if you donÂ’t borrow my copy of David Ray GriffinÂ’ speech.

Most of you folks need another visit to the logic store. Let me ask the question again - How MANY people do YOU believe are involved in the coverup of 9/11?

At least Flanstein is asking some reasonable questions now.

HereÂ’s one line: I wonder if Tucker Carlson will have to respond to this Charlie Sheen thing?

Flanstein, unlike you, I do not believe in any conspiracy theories, such as the U.S. government's lying, self-serving, a-historical, a-factual, and provably false official fairy tale conspiracy theory concerning the 9/11 attacks.

Download the below clip which unmistakably shows explosive charges going from bottom to top on the World Trade Center 7 building, taken from the Naudet brothers' documentary *9/11*:

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/Flashes/squibview.mpg

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/squibview.7.qt

See also:

"Nails In The Coffin of Trade Seven - WTC-7 Collapse Footage Shows Unmistakable Demolition Charges," Mind_Virus, LibertyForum, November 27, 2004:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=293...

---

See also the below articles:

"Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse?," Prof. Steven E. Jones, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, to be contained in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, editors (Northampton, Massachusetts: Olive Branch Press [an imprint of Interlink Publishing Group, Inc.], 2006)

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

"Thinking About 'Conspiracy Theories': 9/11 and JFK," Prof. James H. Fetzer, University of Minnesota, to be contained in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, editors (Northampton, Massachusetts: Olive Branch Press [an imprint of Interlink Publishing Group, Inc.], 2006) and in The 9/11 Conspiracy, James H. Fetzer, editor (Chicago, Illinois: Catfeet Press [an imprint of Open Court Publishing Company], forthcoming):

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.doc

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/fetzerexpandedx.htm

"The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True," Prof. David Ray Griffin, based on a lecture given in New York, New York on October 15 and 16, 2005, to be contained in "The Hidden History of 9-11-2001," Research in Political Economy, Vol. 23, Paul Zarembka, editor (Amsterdam, Netherlands: Elsevier, Spring 2006):

http://www.911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

---

One can make a conclusive case proving the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks even without any physicalist inquiry into the plane crashes or collapsed buildings (even though the case for that is conclusive), i.e., via historical inquiry into the public record in conjunction with deductive reasoning. For example, in regard to such facts as listed below:

- The PNAC document in 2000 calling for "a new Pearl Harbor" as a pretext for Middle-East domination;

- the fact that the October 2001 Afghanistan invasion was planned months beforehand (thus, the U.S. government was certain months before the 9/11 attacks that a pretext would present itself allowing the U.S. government to invade Afghanistan, and lo and behold such a pretext arives right on time);

- the fact that the supposed hijackers weren't Muslim extremists but did cocaine, hired prostitutes, drank alcohol, partied hard, etc.;

- the fact that many of the supposed hijackers were trained on U.S. military bases and had their legal residences on U.S. military bases;

- the fact that the supposed hijackers apparently knew that they had protection from the highest levels of the U.S. government and repeatedly went out of their way to draw attention to themselves as crazed, potential terrorists, as if to build a "legend" back-story;

- the fact that the many FBI agents attempting to invastigate these supposed hijackers were repeatedly and consistently blocked and ordered not to investigate these supposed hijackers, despite forceful protestations from said FBI agents that terrorist attacks were going to happen;

- the fact that U.S. government agents who tried to investigate the supposed hijackers were persecuted yet those in the government who blocked the investigations were promoted and given bonuses;

- the fact that many of these FBI agents went to David Schippers, the former Chief Council for the House Judiciary Committee, informing him (in an attempt to try and get something done) about the planned terrorist attacks and that they were threatened with the National Security Act not to pursue their cases and not to talk about them;

- the fact that David Schippers tried to get high-level functionaries (such as John Ashcroft) in the U.S. government to listen to him but they weren't interested;

- the fact that Osama bin Laden is a protected CIA asset and that before the 9/11 attacks a number of governments offered to arrest Osama and turn him over to the U.S. government but every time the U.S. government wasn't interested, despite the fact that he was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks;

- the fact that the U.S. government worked with, supplied and used Osama's al-Qaeda terrorist network against the Serbian government all the way up into at least 1998, despite the fact that Osama was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks.

And the list of such facts documented by the mainstream major media news articles and in primary documentation (such as the PNAC report) go on and on and on. The above is barely even scratching the surface on such facts as can be found in the mainstream public record. Add to that the fact that the U.S. government has a well-documented history (i.e., modus operandi) of staging such Hegelian dialectical PsyOps attacks as the Pearl Harbor attack, Operation Northwoods (which although didn't go forward due to John F. Kennedy, all the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff approved it for implementation), the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc.

For mainstream documentation on the above facts, as well as on more such facts, see the below documentation resources:

The below post by me contains the November 10, 2003 article "September 11--Islamic Jihad or Another Northwoods?" by Tim Howells, Ph.D., which is a very good, short introduction to just some of the more damning mainstream major media articles and U.S. government primary documentation which proves up one side and down the other that the 9/11 attacks and the following anthrax attacks were a Hegelian dialectical PsyOp staged by the U.S. government as a pretext in order to obtain more power and control. I append my own additional endnotes at the conclusion of Dr. Howells' article, in order to add further mainstream documentation.

From: James Redford
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.education,alt.education.alternative,alt.education.research,misc.education
Subject: The U.S. Government Staged the 9/11 Attacks
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:56 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.college/msg/cdb2f90b15ea3233?dmode=so...

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/tim-howells-september-11-islamic-jihad...

And:

The Truth About the 9/11 Attacks:

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/ (Note that this website by me hasn't been updated in a long time, so some of the links on it have gone dead. You can use http://www.archive.org to revive some of the dead links.)

For more on government-staged terrorism, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

Hey Flanstein if run that logic store I bet you find your customer base shrinking pretty fast these days.

Sorry, if you run that logic store. I guess thats the reason for preview.

a good idea to include links for each person as well.

... and STILL no one here has the courage to even guess at the amount of people required to have pulled this off...

Flanstein, who would've imagined that f*ck-up Hitler & his band of assholes could have destroyed Germany & devestated the world merely 60 years ago? Wise up.

"Flanstein, who would've imagined that f*ck-up Hitler & his band of assholes could have destroyed Germany & devestated the world merely 60 years ago? Wise up."

Translation:

I realize that a conspiracy of this size would have to involve hundreds of people from all levels of government and the media and is therefore illogical...

Flanstein, unlike you, I'm not into guessing. I stick with the provable facts, such as the provable fact that the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks.

Download the below clip which unmistakably shows explosive charges going from bottom to top on the World Trade Center 7 building, taken from the Naudet brothers' documentary *9/11*:

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/Flashes/squibview.mpg

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/squibview.7.qt

See also:

"Nails In The Coffin of Trade Seven - WTC-7 Collapse Footage Shows Unmistakable Demolition Charges," Mind_Virus, LibertyForum, November 27, 2004:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=293...

See also the below articles:

"Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse?," Prof. Steven E. Jones, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, to be contained in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, editors (Northampton, Massachusetts: Olive Branch Press [an imprint of Interlink Publishing Group, Inc.], 2006)

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

"Thinking About 'Conspiracy Theories': 9/11 and JFK," Prof. James H. Fetzer, University of Minnesota, to be contained in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, editors (Northampton, Massachusetts: Olive Branch Press [an imprint of Interlink Publishing Group, Inc.], 2006) and in The 9/11 Conspiracy, James H. Fetzer, editor (Chicago, Illinois: Catfeet Press [an imprint of Open Court Publishing Company], forthcoming):

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.doc

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/fetzerexpandedx.htm

"The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True," Prof. David Ray Griffin, based on a lecture given in New York, New York on October 15 and 16, 2005, to be contained in "The Hidden History of 9-11-2001," Research in Political Economy, Vol. 23, Paul Zarembka, editor (Amsterdam, Netherlands: Elsevier, Spring 2006):

http://www.911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

"Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories," Prof. David Ray Griffin, 911Truth.org, January 18, 2006:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

One can also make a conclusive case proving the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks even without any physicalist inquiry into the plane crashes or collapsed buildings (even though the case for that is conclusive), i.e., via historical inquiry into the public record in conjunction with deductive reasoning. For example, in regard to such facts as listed below:

- The PNAC document in 2000 calling for "a new Pearl Harbor" as a pretext for Middle-East domination;

- the fact that the October 2001 Afghanistan invasion was planned months beforehand (thus, the U.S. government was certain months before the 9/11 attacks that a pretext would present itself allowing the U.S. government to invade Afghanistan, and lo and behold such a pretext arives right on time);

- the fact that the supposed hijackers weren't Muslim extremists but did cocaine, hired prostitutes, drank alcohol, partied hard, etc.;

- the fact that many of the supposed hijackers were trained on U.S. military bases and had their legal residences on U.S. military bases;

- the fact that the supposed hijackers apparently knew that they had protection from the highest levels of the U.S. government and repeatedly went out of their way to draw attention to themselves as crazed, potential terrorists, as if to build a "legend" back-story;

- the fact that the many FBI agents attempting to invastigate these supposed hijackers were repeatedly and consistently blocked and ordered not to investigate these supposed hijackers, despite forceful protestations from said FBI agents that terrorist attacks were going to happen;

- the fact that U.S. government agents who tried to investigate the supposed hijackers were persecuted yet those in the government who blocked the investigations were promoted and given bonuses;

- the fact that many of these FBI agents went to David Schippers, the former Chief Council for the House Judiciary Committee, informing him (in an attempt to try and get something done) about the planned terrorist attacks and that they were threatened with the National Security Act not to pursue their cases and not to talk about them;

- the fact that David Schippers tried to get high-level functionaries (such as John Ashcroft) in the U.S. government to listen to him but they weren't interested;

- the fact that Osama bin Laden is a protected CIA asset and that before the 9/11 attacks a number of governments offered to arrest Osama and turn him over to the U.S. government but every time the U.S. government wasn't interested, despite the fact that he was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks;

- the fact that the U.S. government worked with, supplied and used Osama's al-Qaeda terrorist network against the Serbian government all the way up into at least 1998, despite the fact that Osama was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks.

And the list of such facts documented by the mainstream major media news articles and in primary documentation (such as the PNAC report) go on and on and on. The above is barely even scratching the surface on such facts as can be found in the mainstream public record. Add to that the fact that the U.S. government has a well-documented history (i.e., modus operandi) of staging such Hegelian dialectical PsyOps attacks as the Pearl Harbor attack, Operation Northwoods (which although didn't go forward due to John F. Kennedy, all the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff approved it for implementation), the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc.

For mainstream documentation on the above facts, as well as on more such facts, see the below documentation resources:

The below post by me contains the November 10, 2003 article "September 11--Islamic Jihad or Another Northwoods?" by Tim Howells, Ph.D., which is a very good, short introduction to just some of the more damning mainstream major media articles and U.S. government primary documentation which proves up one side and down the other that the 9/11 attacks and the following anthrax attacks were a Hegelian dialectical PsyOp staged by the U.S. government as a pretext in order to obtain more power and control. I append my own additional endnotes at the conclusion of Dr. Howells' article, in order to add further mainstream documentation.

From: James Redford
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.education,alt.education.alternative,alt.education.research,misc.education
Subject: The U.S. Government Staged the 9/11 Attacks
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:56 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.college/msg/cdb2f90b15ea3233?dmode=so...

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/tim-howells-september-11-islamic-jihad...

And:

The Truth About the 9/11 Attacks:

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/ (Note that this website by me hasn't been updated in a long time, so some of the links on it have gone dead. You can use http://www.archive.org to revive some of the dead links.)

For more on government-staged terrorism, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

Yes, yes, I've read all of your conspiracy stuff - but to practical matters - how many do you think are involved and why are you afraid to say?

Flanstein, unlike you, I do not believe in any conspiracy theories, such as the U.S. government's lying, self-serving, a-historical, a-factual, and provably false official fairy tale conspiracy theory concerning the 9/11 attacks.

And also unlike you, I'm not into guessing. I stick with the provable facts, such as the provable fact that the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks.

For more on that, see the below articles:

"Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse?," Prof. Steven E. Jones, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, to be contained in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, editors (Northampton, Massachusetts: Olive Branch Press [an imprint of Interlink Publishing Group, Inc.], 2006)

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

"Thinking About 'Conspiracy Theories': 9/11 and JFK," Prof. James H. Fetzer, University of Minnesota, to be contained in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, editors (Northampton, Massachusetts: Olive Branch Press [an imprint of Interlink Publishing Group, Inc.], 2006) and in The 9/11 Conspiracy, James H. Fetzer, editor (Chicago, Illinois: Catfeet Press [an imprint of Open Court Publishing Company], forthcoming):

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.doc

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/fetzerexpandedx.htm

"The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True," Prof. David Ray Griffin, based on a lecture given in New York, New York on October 15 and 16, 2005, to be contained in "The Hidden History of 9-11-2001," Research in Political Economy, Vol. 23, Paul Zarembka, editor (Amsterdam, Netherlands: Elsevier, Spring 2006):

http://www.911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

"Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories," Prof. David Ray Griffin, 911Truth.org, January 18, 2006:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

One can make a conclusive case proving the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks even without any physicalist inquiry into the plane crashes or collapsed buildings (even though the case for that is conclusive), i.e., via historical inquiry into the public record in conjunction with deductive reasoning. For example, in regard to such facts as listed below:

- The PNAC document in 2000 calling for "a new Pearl Harbor" as a pretext for Middle-East domination;

- the fact that the October 2001 Afghanistan invasion was planned months beforehand (thus, the U.S. government was certain months before the 9/11 attacks that a pretext would present itself allowing the U.S. government to invade Afghanistan, and lo and behold such a pretext arives right on time);

- the fact that the supposed hijackers weren't Muslim extremists but did cocaine, hired prostitutes, drank alcohol, partied hard, etc.;

- the fact that many of the supposed hijackers were trained on U.S. military bases and had their legal residences on U.S. military bases;

- the fact that the supposed hijackers apparently knew that they had protection from the highest levels of the U.S. government and repeatedly went out of their way to draw attention to themselves as crazed, potential terrorists, as if to build a "legend" back-story;

- the fact that the many FBI agents attempting to invastigate these supposed hijackers were repeatedly and consistently blocked and ordered not to investigate these supposed hijackers, despite forceful protestations from said FBI agents that terrorist attacks were going to happen;

- the fact that U.S. government agents who tried to investigate the supposed hijackers were persecuted yet those in the government who blocked the investigations were promoted and given bonuses;

- the fact that many of these FBI agents went to David Schippers, the former Chief Council for the House Judiciary Committee, informing him (in an attempt to try and get something done) about the planned terrorist attacks and that they were threatened with the National Security Act not to pursue their cases and not to talk about them;

- the fact that David Schippers tried to get high-level functionaries (such as John Ashcroft) in the U.S. government to listen to him but they weren't interested;

- the fact that Osama bin Laden is a protected CIA asset and that before the 9/11 attacks a number of governments offered to arrest Osama and turn him over to the U.S. government but every time the U.S. government wasn't interested, despite the fact that he was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks;

- the fact that the U.S. government worked with, supplied and used Osama's al-Qaeda terrorist network against the Serbian government all the way up into at least 1998, despite the fact that Osama was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks.

And the list of such facts documented by the mainstream major media news articles and in primary documentation (such as the PNAC report) go on and on and on. The above is barely even scratching the surface on such facts as can be found in the mainstream public record. Add to that the fact that the U.S. government has a well-documented history (i.e., modus operandi) of staging such Hegelian dialectical PsyOps attacks as the Pearl Harbor attack, Operation Northwoods (which although didn't go forward due to John F. Kennedy, all the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff approved it for implementation), the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc.

For mainstream documentation on the above facts, as well as on more such facts, see the below documentation resources:

The below post by me contains the November 10, 2003 article "September 11--Islamic Jihad or Another Northwoods?" by Tim Howells, Ph.D., which is a very good, short introduction to just some of the more damning mainstream major media articles and U.S. government primary documentation which proves up one side and down the other that the 9/11 attacks and the following anthrax attacks were a Hegelian dialectical PsyOp staged by the U.S. government as a pretext in order to obtain more power and control. I append my own additional endnotes at the conclusion of Dr. Howells' article, in order to add further mainstream documentation.

From: James Redford
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.education,alt.education.alternative,alt.education.research,misc.education
Subject: The U.S. Government Staged the 9/11 Attacks
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:56 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.college/msg/cdb2f90b15ea3233?dmode=so...

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/tim-howells-september-11-islamic-jihad...

And:

The Truth About the 9/11 Attacks:

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/ (Note that this website by me hasn't been updated in a long time, so some of the links on it have gone dead. You can use http://www.archive.org to revive some of the dead links.)

For more on government-staged terrorism, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

Its getting annoying around here.

It was already answered Flanstien:

Flanstein, who would've imagined that f*ck-up Hitler & his band of assholes could have destroyed Germany & devestated the world merely 60 years ago? Wise up.
Anonymous | 03.26.06 - 5:24 pm | #

" It was already answered Flanstien"

It wasn't of course, and I can see no one here has the courage to postulate an answer. Why? Because the sheer numbers of people required to have done this - if conspiracy crack-pot ideas are to be believed - would preclude keeping this a secret for more than two minutes.

Sorry for messing up your fantasies with logic...

Flanstein;

From "Crossing The Rubicon" by Michael Ruppert, P.2
__________
One of the most trumpeted themes in the post-9/11 world has been a blanket
assertion that such a large conspiracy (if conducted within the US government) could never be concealed from the American people or the people of the world before the crime was committed. It has been sounded by the likes of David Corn at The Nation and former National Security Counterterrorism Chief Richard
Clarke. Clarke wrote in his 2004 bestseller Against All Enemies,
Conspiracy theorists simultaneously hold two contrary beliefs: a) that
the US government is so incompetent that it can miss explanations
that the theorists can uncover, and b) that the US government can
keep a big and juicy secret. The first belief has some validity. The second
idea is pure fantasy.1
Richard Clarke misled you here. He also informed, in some very surprising
ways. In fact, as I will show you later, he misled in many places in his book. From the Manhattan Project to the Stealth fighter, the US government has successfully kept secrets involving thousands of people. Secondly, in order to execute a conspiracy of the size and type I am suggesting, it is not necessary that thousands of people see the whole picture. The success of the US in maintaining the secrecy
around the atom bomb and the Stealth fighter, or in any classified operation, lies in compartmentalization. A technician in Tennessee refining uranium ore in 1943 would have had no knowledge of its intended use, or any moral culpability in any deaths that occurred as a result of it. Another technician in Ohio, mixing a polymer resin in 1985, would have had no knowledge of what an F117A looked like or what it was intended to do.
__________

Mr. Ruppert's documentary "Truth & Lies of 9/11" covers history, persons and paper trails, you might find it more intriguing than demolitions/planes/etc. If you have broadband, give this google video version a look-see:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145

Flanstein, as I said before, I'm not into guessing, unlike you. I stick with the provable facts, such as the provable fact that the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks.

You mentioned people not being able to keep secrets. The Bush patriarchs are dark occultists (i.e., Satanists) in the dark occult organizations Bohemian Grove and the Brotherhood of Death (a.k.a. the Order of Skull & Bones). Extreme sexual deviancy (such as child sex-slavery and child snuff-films) is used as blackmail by the Western intelligence agencies and their occult secret societies in order to keep their key people in line. Those directly involved in intentionally carrying out the U.S. government-staged 9/11 attacks would be thoroughly compromised in such a way that they wouldn't dare go public with their knowledge; not to mention the fact that such people would be admitting to complicity in mass-murder.

An example of this form of blackmail is former President George Bush, Sr.'s sexual fondness for young boys:

"Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush: 'Call boys' took midnight tour of White House," Paul M. Rodriguez and George Archibald, Washington Times, June 29, 1989:

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/wtpage1smaller.gif

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/WTpage1.gif

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/WTpage2.gif

The below documentary, "Conspiracy of Silence," was produced by Yorkshire Television (U.K.) under contract by the Discovery Channel. The documentary was scheduled to air nation-wide in the U.S. on the Discovery Channel on May 3, 1994. It was listed in the April 30th-May 6th edition of TV Guide and in newspapers for that day.

This documentary exposed a network of business leaders, Washington politicians and other high officials involved in a child sex-slave ring that flew children to Washington, D.C. and elsewhere in the U.S. for sex orgies. This documentary film turned out to be very presciently named, because close to the time before airing, various congressmen threatened the cable TV industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased for some half-million dollars by unnamed persons who ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of the rough-edited version of the film was furnished anonymously to attorney and former Nebraska State Senator John DeCamp, among others.

Former CIA Director William E. Colby is also interviewed on the documentary "Conspiracy of Silence," wherein William E. Colby backs up the legitimacy of these charges and also talks about the real risks of assassination that John DeCamp faces for taking up this case (other investigators into the Franklin, Nebraska child sex-slave scandal were assassinated).

Below is an RM file (33.3 MB) of "Conspiracy of Silence":

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.rm

You can download this same video in the below higher resolution format. Windows media (39.6 MB):

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence2.wmv

"Conspiracy of Silence" doesn't attempt to go into the Satanic and human-sacrifice angle of the Franklin incident, although that is very much part of this case, as this case is directly connected to Bohemian Grove and other child sex-slave rings. For more on this aspect, see the below book by former State Senator John DeCamp:

The Franklin Cover-Up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska by John W. DeCamp (AWT; 2nd edition: December 1, 1996), ISBN: 0963215809:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963215809/

One of the best introductions to the background and subsequent cover-up of the above film, "Conspiracy of Silence," is from the below excerpts from the book The Franklin Cover-Up by former State Senator John DeCamp, wherein he also talks about his relationship to former CIA Director William E. Colby (who himself was assassinated). Do a search for "Yorkshire" to go directly to the section concerning this film:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/coverups/decamp.html

or:

http://mysite.users2.50megs.com/coverups/decamp.html

One of the victims, Paul Bonacci, testified in court to being forced into deprived sexual acts with men and other boys, including snuff films made at Bohemian Grove, with U.S. Senior District Judge Warren K. Urbom presiding. Bonacci won the court case and was awarded one-million dollars by Judge Urbom.

Below is the text of the ruling by Judge Warren K. Urbom mentioned above:

Paul A. Bonacci, Plaintiff vs Lawrence E. King, Defendant, 4:CV91-3037, Memorandum of Decision Filed February 22, 1999:

http://www.raven1.net/ra1.htm

Below you can read more on the above case. Scroll down to the section entitled "Snuff kiddie porn at Bohemian Grove":

Bohemian Grove Dirt:

http://www.geocities.com/bohemian_grove_dirt/

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In addition to the above, phoney wannabe Texan and actual New Haven, Connecticut Yankee carpetbagger President George Bush, Jr. is a closet-case who is queerer than a three-dollar bill. Take the case of Victor "Victoria" Ashe, George Bush, Jr.'s long-time homosexual lover and fellow member in the Brotherhood of Death (a.k.a. the Order of Skull & Bones)--the former Mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, and now the current Ambassador to Poland, appointed by Bush, Jr.

Below is the Globe and Mail's own tactful way of subtly "outing" Bush, Jr.:

"Bush prefers our pretty boy to his pretty boy," Jane Taber, Globe and Mail, January 16, 2004, Page A1:

http://www.rense.com/general47/bushsmitten.htm

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040116/...

See also:

Bush's Secret Life in 84:

http://bushssecretlifein84.tripod.com

Also revealing, on the Nixon tapes from May 13, 1971, Nixon says of Bohemian Grove:

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"But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."
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(From "All The Philosopher King's Men--President Richard Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and H. R. Haldeman," James Warren, Harper's Magazine, February 2000 http://www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html .)

Yet the Bushes just can't get enough of Bohemian Grove.

Also interesting, as Mayor, Ashe spent $200,000 for a 7.9-foot black granite Egyptian obelisk (i.e., the Phallus of Osiris) on which is the laser-etched names of the people that died in the 9/11 PsyOps attacks, and which is in front of the City-County Building:

http://www.greatestcities.com/3854pic/266/CP5266.jpg/MVC-016F.JPG

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And then there's the case of Bush, Jr.'s gay male escort Jeff Gannon (a.k.a. James Dale Guckert), who sidelined as a scripted softball White House reporter:

"Secret Service records raise new questions about discredited conservative reporter," John Byrne, Raw Story, April 24, 2005:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

"Homeland Security: 'We're still looking for Gannon credentialing,'" Raw Story, April 4, 2005:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/homeland_security_responds_jeff_gan...

"The smoking scalp?," Jeff Wells, February 15, 2005:

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/smoking-scalp.html

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Concerning the hidden video caught by journalist Alex Jones of a dark occultic ritual performed every year at Bohemian Grove, see:

http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html

See also the full video Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove by journalist and documentary film-maker Alex Jones, which you can view in full for free below:

Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove:

http://www.archive.org/details/DSIBG

Additionally, you can view clip excerpts Part 1 and Part 2 of Jon Ronson's documentary Secret Rulers of the World, which also documents Alex Jones' infiltration of Bohemian Grove, at the below link:

http://www.sacredcow.com/allnew/index_content.php?n=multimedia_video_alex

Below can be found audio and a transcript of ABC News' Monday, April 23, 2001 World News Tonight with anchor Peter Jennings program concerning nightvision video secretly captured on Saturday, April 14, 2001 by New York Observer reporter Ron Rosenbaum of an occultic ritual conducted by the Brotherhood of Death at Yale (a.k.a. the Order of Skull & Bones):

"April 23, 2001 ABC News Report on Hidden Video Captured of Skull & Bones Ritual," PsyOp911, October 4, 2005:

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/skull-and-bones-2001-04-23-abc-report....

Definitely see also the below very important article series which contains extensive documentation on the child sex-slave and snuff-film rings run by the globalist elite:

"The Pedophocracy," Parts I through VI, by David McGowan, Center for an Informed America ( http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com ), August 2001:

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo1.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo2.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo3.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo4.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo5.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo6.html