geggy, read your post.I do not know all the answers but for me watching the collapse of WTC7 erased all doubt that 9-11 was an inside job.

George Washington, you can quote me on the above post if you see fit!!!

wargames were my starting point..

geggy's point of view may coincide with many other Americans' who just can't "go there" about it being an inside job. And, at least geggy is saying that at minimum it was LIHOP (let it happen on purpose). That's still treason.

My questions for geggy are: If you believe osama and the alleged hijackers were patsies, who framed them? If you if you believe NORAD was ordered to stand down, who gave those orders? Don't you think it highly improbable that all the anomolies of 9/11 could be chalked up to foreigners? If people outside this government (outside the CIA) were the perpetrators, do they have the kind of access within our government that they could arrange all of this without even one government official (or CIA operative) being involved too?

Very hard to imagine a scenario of outsiders infiltrating our government to the degree necessary to hijack NORAD, for example. Think about it and do more research, if you will. We'll bring you over to MIHOP I expect.

On the HBO DVD “IN MEMORIAM” at approximately 27:30, I see WABC TV newsman “N.J. Burkett” walking alongside 2 NYC cops and Burkett asks them “Why are they pulling us out of here?” The cops reply, “the North Tower...the North Tower is leaning!....” Then the DVD cuts to Mayor Giuliani for a few seconds. Then it’s back to Burkett who screams, “Oh, my God, there it goes!", as he and the cops run like hell further away from the WTC. Then it cuts back to Giuliani & friends who are running like hell too.

Point is, how in the world did these cops have advanced notice that the North Tower was about to collapse ahead of time??? Who told them??? And the North Tower was never leaning before it fell, not to my knowledge! (Earlier, the South Tower leaned DURING its implosion.)

Perhaps whoever was doing the demolition that day felt a twinge of guilt before they demolished the 2nd tower. They gave a quick “heads-up” warning that the 2nd tower was about to fall. (I wish we knew who originated this warning.)

Also on the same DVD, at about 37:50, a fireman, & then a cop, say that WTC-7 is in danger of collapsing. Then we are shown some of the other WTC buildings burning heavily. Suddenly, we are cut back to a view of WTC-7, with very heavy smoke at ground level and around one of its sides. Seconds later, WTC-7 begins to implode. (We are not shown WTC-7 long enough before the collapse to determine where the heavy smoke came from. Could it be from explosives that preceeded the collapse?)

As WTC-7 drops, a group of people some blocks away scream. A woman in the group, who looks exactly like journalist Amy Goodman of left-wing “Democracy Now” fame, yells and scampers back. (If this is indeed Ms. Goodman, I wonder why she has never spoken about her eyewitness account of WTC-7 imploding? Maybe she should.)

(If you think this post is helpful, please pass around the info.)

I'm listening to Tarpley's latest show.

I am furious.

I'm not going to get into it, but I am FURIOUS.

Let's just say this... Webster Tarpley was just on NATIONAL TELEVISION.

Let me repeat... Webster Tarpley was just on NATIONAL TELEVISION.

The first show you have following your first appearance on NATIONAL TELEVISION should include the BEST OF THE BEST.

That's all I'll say.

Should PROMOTE the BEST OF THE BEST.

Because your FIRST SHOW AFTER A NATIONAL TELEVISION APPEARANCE will MOST LIKELY have some "newcomers". People who are curious...

They should be hearing about the BEST EVIDENCE we have.

Ok, my rant is done.

Jon, what are you trying to say? :)

I'm not going to get into personal attacks... but this is not rocket science.

My guess is, he was promoting holograms?

8)

let's just say that was a bad show and move on.

geggy, download the below clip which unmistakably shows explosive charges going from bottom to top on the World Trade Center 7 building, taken from the Naudet brothers' documentary *9/11*:

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/Flashes/squibview.mpg

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/squibview.7.qt

See also:

"Nails In The Coffin of Trade Seven - WTC-7 Collapse Footage Shows Unmistakable Demolition Charges," Mind_Virus, LibertyForum, November 27, 2004:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=293...

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See also the below articles:

"Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse?," Prof. Steven E. Jones, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, to be contained in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, editors (Northampton, Massachusetts: Olive Branch Press [an imprint of Interlink Publishing Group, Inc.], 2006)

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

"Thinking About 'Conspiracy Theories': 9/11 and JFK," Prof. James H. Fetzer, University of Minnesota, to be contained in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, editors (Northampton, Massachusetts: Olive Branch Press [an imprint of Interlink Publishing Group, Inc.], 2006) and in The 9/11 Conspiracy, James H. Fetzer, editor (Chicago, Illinois: Catfeet Press [an imprint of Open Court Publishing Company], forthcoming):

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.doc

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/fetzerexpandedx.htm

"The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True," Prof. David Ray Griffin, based on a lecture given in New York, New York on October 15 and 16, 2005, to be contained in "The Hidden History of 9-11-2001," Research in Political Economy, Vol. 23, Paul Zarembka, editor (Amsterdam, Netherlands: Elsevier, Spring 2006):

http://www.911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

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One can make a conclusive case proving the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks even without any physicalist inquiry into the plane crashes or collapsed buildings (even though the case for that is conclusive), i.e., via historical inquiry into the public record in conjunction with deductive reasoning. For example, in regard to such facts as listed below:

- The PNAC document in 2000 calling for "a new Pearl Harbor" as a pretext for Middle-East domination;

- the fact that the October 2001 Afghanistan invasion was planned months beforehand (thus, the U.S. government was certain months before the 9/11 attacks that a pretext would present itself allowing the U.S. government to invade Afghanistan, and lo and behold such a pretext arives right on time);

- the fact that the supposed hijackers weren't Muslim extremists but did cocaine, hired prostitutes, drank alcohol, partied hard, etc.;

- the fact that many of the supposed hijackers were trained on U.S. military bases and had their legal residences on U.S. military bases;

- the fact that the supposed hijackers apparently knew that they had protection from the highest levels of the U.S. government and repeatedly went out of their way to draw attention to themselves as crazed, potential terrorists, as if to build a "legend" back-story;

- the fact that the many FBI agents attempting to invastigate these supposed hijackers were repeatedly and consistently blocked and ordered not to investigate these supposed hijackers, despite forceful protestations from said FBI agents that terrorist attacks were going to happen;

- the fact that U.S. government agents who tried to investigate the supposed hijackers were persecuted yet those in the government who blocked the investigations were promoted and given bonuses;

- the fact that many of these FBI agents went to David Schippers, the former Chief Council for the House Judiciary Committee, informing him (in an attempt to try and get something done) about the planned terrorist attacks and that they were threatened with the National Security Act not to pursue their cases and not to talk about them;

- the fact that David Schippers tried to get high-level functionaries (such as John Ashcroft) in the U.S. government to listen to him but they weren't interested;

- the fact that Osama bin Laden is a protected CIA asset and that before the 9/11 attacks a number of governments offered to arrest Osama and turn him over to the U.S. government but every time the U.S. government wasn't interested, despite the fact that he was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks;

- the fact that the U.S. government worked with, supplied and used Osama's al-Qaeda terrorist network against the Serbian government all the way up into at least 1998, despite the fact that Osama was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks.

And the list of such facts documented by the mainstream major media news articles and in primary documentation (such as the PNAC report) go on and on and on. The above is barely even scratching the surface on such facts as can be found in the mainstream public record. Add to that the fact that the U.S. government has a well-documented history (i.e., modus operandi) of staging such Hegelian dialectical PsyOps attacks as the Pearl Harbor attack, Operation Northwoods (which although didn't go forward due to John F. Kennedy, all the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff approved it for implementation), the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc.

For mainstream documentation on the above facts, as well as on more such facts, see the below documentation resources:

The below post by me contains the November 10, 2003 article "September 11--Islamic Jihad or Another Northwoods?" by Tim Howells, Ph.D., which is a very good, short introduction to just some of the more damning mainstream major media articles and U.S. government primary documentation which proves up one side and down the other that the 9/11 attacks and the following anthrax attacks were a Hegelian dialectical PsyOp staged by the U.S. government as a pretext in order to obtain more power and control. I append my own additional endnotes at the conclusion of Dr. Howells' article, in order to add further mainstream documentation.

From: James Redford
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.education,alt.education.alternative,alt.education.research,misc.education
Subject: The U.S. Government Staged the 9/11 Attacks
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:56 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.college/msg/cdb2f90b15ea3233?dmode=so...

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/tim-howells-september-11-islamic-jihad...

And:

The Truth About the 9/11 Attacks:

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/ (Note that this website by me hasn't been updated in a long time, so some of the links on it have gone dead. You can use http://www.archive.org to revive some of the dead links.)

For more on government-staged terrorism, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

Jon, it's not recommended to pique a person's interest and then leave him or her with unfulfilled desire to know more.

Jon,
Consider the source. After all, we are talking about terrorists who hate our freedoms. This has been a good week. The media gives ground only to preserve their power. This week they did a strategic retreat. Straw men and disinfo will slow us down but we bloggers are motivated and dedicated. We will not be stopped. Truth justice and the Canadian way I say!

In the HBO DVD “IN MEMORIAM” described above (btw, this is NOT the Naudet brother video), it seems that they purposely starting showing WTC-7 AFTER the smoke was seen at the building's base & side, just seconds before it collapsed. (Perhaps video that was cut out could very clearly show the origin of this "demolition-like" smoke.)

Off topic for a moment - I'm very pleased for Mr. McIlvaine that 9/11 truth is squeaking or perhaps rushing out. He must be very happy that at least it's not verboten to speak 9/11.

Other points - has wtc7 still not been shown on TV? I have much concern that the media continues to perceive this as entertainment.

Journalists seem to refuse to cover the movement honestly - I was thinking that Bush (Rove) may have made a devastatingly unwise move strategically this week, in their campaign against the MSM. For years the MSM has perhaps known, dismissed, or treated as a skeleton in the closet, the whole 9/11 issue. I wonder if they even talked about it all among themselves. Did they dare to when their jobs may have been on the line? After all, truthers were turning over every stone for further info. I doubt they themselves did this, and if they did, they would not voice it.

So this week Bush castigates the Media on their Iraq coverage and they seem furious. The 9/11 movement can make inroads here by turning this anger to their advantage I think. Continuing to urge the media to expose Bush and discuss 9/11 should be kept up seriously now.

Questions I would love to have quick answers on?
Jon - Hope Tarpley didn't blow it and which TV program was he on?

Is Sheen on again this coming week?

Is the Dutch newspaper mainstream?

"Jon - Hope Tarpley didn't blow it and which TV program was he on?"

He was on the first showing on Showbiz Tonight. And... he did a good job.

To Geggy - you get to MIHOP very quickly when you think about what the Terrorist were able to do vs. what a government can do. The most the terrorists could do was to fly planes into buildings. all the other anomalies were government related.

And lastly, watch David Shayler's video. Government co-ordination was necessary to ensure success. You can't have terrorist running randomly around threatening to blow things up. Anything might happen. Heck, they might now even show up on time, or decide to do it some other day, or worse, get caught before they could complete the task.

With so many possibilities for failure, government involvement was essential.

You thought he went deep into the realm of unsupported hypotheses with his guests too?

Tarpley kept saying that now is the time to push on with the most contoversial arguments, and that picking 10 stable points of discussion was too academic, and would cause the theories to have only the effect of JFK assassination theories. But I don't agree with that. The first mainstream discussion should rein things in a bit so the first thing most people hear is believable. THEN they can choose to look further into other ideas once you have them on board. At least Charlie's got the right idea.

Invisible planes and blue screens and hundreds of doctored pieces of film are NOT the place to start.

I like Webster Tarpley, but way to blow credibility! Having guests on chatting about "holograms" hitting the towers, COME THE FUNK ON! What is up with that! It just makes every other credible effort a joke. And then one of the guests goes, "I think Charlie Sheen is the latest no planer", he might as well have said, "I think I want to trash Charlie SheenÂ’s credibility", what a pathetic unfunny, and massively unhelpful joke!

URGENT - please watch! - please forward !! MEDIA BLACKOUT

we would like to call to your immediate attention the most extraordinary footage on US Television
On March 22, 23; and 24th CNN Showbiz ( nationwide primetime Mon - Fri ) http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/
did broadcast 3 sequences about Charlie Sheens remarks on 9/11.
The shows are based on a Alex Jones radio interview with Charlie Sheen
and imply that the US government is lying and was most likely behind the attacks of 9/11.
The show is just mindboggling, there has been an immense response and no pick up in the international
printmedia whatsoever - google is boycotting it - the show might proceed on Monday

First CNN Showbiz Show on March 22
Statements of actor Charlie Sheen that there is more behind the official 911 story is discussed. In the first half the statements from Sheen are played, in the second half there is the discussion with the leader of 911truth.org and the producer of "Inside 9/11" of the 'National Geographic Channel'.
http://download.alciada.net/911/ShowbizTonight20060322.wmv
(CNN Showbiz March 22, wmv, 27 MB)
Transcript or http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/22/sbt.01.html
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CNN refers to the interview with Sheen on GCN:
Original Interview with Alex Jones or http://download.alciada.net/Interviews/032006sheen.mp3 (mp3, 9MB)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm(prisonplanet.com article)

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Followup: Video of Interview with Alex Jones on March, 23
http://download.alciada.net/911/AlexJones_Showbiz042306.avi (CNN Showbiz March 23 , avi, 32 MB)
Transcript http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/23/sbt.01.html

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Another followup after new comments from Sheen, March 24 Vidodownload:
http://download.alciada.net/911/AlexJones_Showbiz042406.avi (CNN Showbiz, avi, 32 MB)

Online Poll at http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/ 84% pro Sheenan

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Showbiz Tonight Transcript Friday 24th Featuring Alex Jones www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/250306showbiztonight.htm

Charlie Sheen: 'Challenge Me On the Facts' Actor's first response since media firestorm over 9/11 comments
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/240306sheen.htm

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alternative videolinks of the CNN shows
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/ShowbizTonight20060324/ShowbizTon...

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/ShowbizTonight20060323/ShowbizTon...

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/ShowbizTonight20060322.wmv

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www.prisonplanet.com

www.bushtrash.com/links/cnn.htm

Helen Thomas is right on.

About the press conference:

Now, the point is well taken that she was weaving an opinion into her question, but, then, why not? It was a legitimate question.

Also, I have *lots* more to say about a lot of things.

Can someone please tell us what Tarpley actually said on national tv today???

If it was invisible planes, blue screens, or holograms, we need to know now, thank you!!! (And if it was this, I'll explain why this is DISINFO to discredit the truth movement!)

Tarpley did not mention "invisible planes, blue screens, or hologram" on CNN, only his radio show

at this rate I bet it'll get 50,000 total votes over the next 8 hours. More people will be net surfing in the evening

The timing of this release is highly, highly suspect. Even if they don't fake them, It looks like they will use the "asking questions about 911, especially suggesting government involvement, is offensive, direspectful and hurtful to the victims and their families."

Its simply the "Support the Troops' don't question the war or our leaders if you truly care about the soldiers and their familys applied to 911.
It effects the gut and the heart and not the brain, so they can avoid even a discussion of the facts.

Now is the time for victims families to stand up and make their voices crystal clear in support of asking hard questions about 911.

They were used to give legitimacy to the 911 commision, and then abandoned. They will be used again unless they stand up Now!

P.S.
How about "Support The Truth" bumber stickers with st911 and loosechange.com at the bottom.

Good thinking Andi, clicking away now...

As we used to CHANT in our protests over the first Gulf War.

NEW WORLD ORDER......SAME OLD SHIT!

IMO, the DVD "Painful Deceptions" (Feb 2005) by Eric Hufschmid is the BEST 9/11 truth video ever made. It's 2 hours of outstanding research, analysis, facts, photos, diagrams, etc. It provide irrefutable proof that 9/11 was an inside job.

Hey andi -- I left a comment over at Brad Blog in response to yours about AmericaBlog and Crooks & Liars.

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002598.htm#153

Let's keep that thread going over at Brad Blog -- it's about f'ing time the liberal blogs got up to speed.

I think there are much better videos than Eric Hufschmid's -- he's a really volatile figure, even though I agree with much of his analysis, and has embraced the idea that we didn't go to the moon. Whether the latter is true or not is irrelevant, in my view, and just taints his reputation.

My choices for videos:

"Loose Change Second Edition" - Dylan Avery
"The Great Conspiracy" - Barry Zwicker
"9/11 Special" - Dutch Television Documentary, interviews with Michael Meacher and Andreas von Bulow

I'm unbanned from www.crooksandliars.com

On Webster Tarpley, I haven't been following him at all. But, if he's spouting off junk about holograms and the like, he's totally discrediting himself as well as the 9/11 truth movement. Disinfo agent?

Long as this is a grab-bag...

Why are you still highlighting the lousy Maxim hit-piece at the top of the page in the "post-Sheen" era? There's better press out there!

NL
Lol....I bet they never thought they'd hear that!

Yah, I think Hufschmid has some wacky political beliefs too, but he made the best 9/11 DVD. It covers/debunks & slams just about every aspect of the official story. So easy to watch also. (And he put out a great book back in 2002.)

just getting back home, thanks big guy glad you liked my idea! :) Citizen Im headijg back over there now too, see you there!

NL... good week, wouldn't you say? ;)

Jon, will you kindly finish explaining what Tarpley did today? You started at the top of this thread.

I made my stink... but if you want particulars, I won't get into it... I'm not going to attack people... if you listen to the show...

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley/0603/20060325_Sat_Tarpley1.mp3

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley/0603/20060325_Sat_Tarpley2.mp3

You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

Where can I see the CNN program on which Tarpley appeared?

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9190

I love how Jon comes here shooting his mouth off, but can't be bothered to explain it to us...

Yeah, as if we're not worth Gold's time!

(just kidding.)

I did explain it to you. The information Tarpley was promoting today after his first National Television appearance was crap, and he should have focused on the best of the best. If you listen to the show, you'll know exactly what I mean.

Nico Haupt is one of the "Leading Researchers"?

Hello? How many times have we heard from Nico to boycott this, and this person is this and that, etc...

Here's one...

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7803

incase its deleted and I am banned, posted just now at America Blog open thread:

That's it - from now on, my nom de commentary will be "9-11 Was an Inside Job" until some blogger posts something on this subject.
Jersey Jay | 03.26.06 - 5:16 pm | #

I say as long as we're in open threads it should be ok, but then its not up to me is it.

John, you know its safe now? Its not fringy or extreme to post articles and questions asking for an actual real investigation into 9/11, so you're not risking anything or putting yourself on the line to do it. Infact, you stand to increase your readership and clearly there are a large portion of readers here who are asking for you to cover it and are pretty pissed off that you're not. 9/11 skeptics have been mainstream for awhile now and you are way behind public opinion on this issue. CNN and Boston Globe and New York post, Raw Story, Brad Blog have all stepped up to the plate. We're waiting for you to do the same.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/katsiva/114340250082098228/?a=45999#145...

Oh, I thought Tarpley blew the CNN show, but apparently he blew something else after that. Sorry but I sometimes have difficulty following this conversation. :)

No... I said Tarpley did well on CNN..

Jon, I agree. That Haupt article on Bellaciao looks like he's talking crap. I've alway thought 911truth.org was a great site & organization. Am I missing something?

Nope, you're not missing a thing.

Let's not forget these wonderful lists of Nico's...

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/331193.shtml

Got ya. Anyone who so vehemently attacks a leading site like 911truth.org, I too question the motives behind that.

want evidence without speculation?

Watch Michael Ruppert's Timeline of 9/11...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8715284217141358195&q=ruppert+t...

November 2001

email from Blogger Brigade"

RBNlive.com and Arctic beacon.com Servers knocked down a while ago this might be why

arcticbeacon and RBN I think are on the same server. if not they are joined at the hip watch out 911blogger.com!

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

This is the way I look at all the different 9/11 researchers and websites: as long as you're asking for a real investigation and you're not talking about holograms and UFOs as the meat of your arguement, I'm with you. We need to stick together, power in numbers, and the frauds, the shills, the government spooks & posers will slip up and reveal their faces all by themselves along the way.

Come on. I'm newer to the truth than many here, but just glancing that list tells me the guy is either a disinfo artist or a jackass.

I mean c'mon....

Most annoying fake activist newcomer:
Jonathan Gold

I'm been an annoying fake activist for a long time now.

I've been...

take a look at 911truth.org...

New Yorkers to Gather at CNN Studios Wednesday

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - MON 3/26/2006

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060326193758162

You can blow out a candle
But you can't blow out a fire
Once the flames begin to catch
The wind will blow it higher

- peter gabriel

reprehensor...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5994

http://www.united93movie.com/index.php

ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

not only do we have the media promoting the 19 hijackers with box cutters infiltrating the most secured country in the universe, but now HOLLYWOOD IS DOING IT TOOO! I think this movie will hurt our movement more than any news special trying to discredit us because it will make people empathize with the Protagonist in the story (THE AMERICANS) and further prepetuate the idea these so called "MUSLIMS" from the middle east are our enemies. THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING!!! AS SOON WE MAKE A BIG LEAP FORWARD, A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR MOVIE, could possibly set us back!

I don't think so Yizzo... we'll see...

The movies themselves are an outlet for people to hand out flyers, etc...

yeah your right...i just think its frustrating that they would make a movie like this and release 5 years after 9/11 and not doing any substantial research on the subject

585 more votes needed to reach the golden 50,000

At least the united 93 movie site links to Wikipedia (which has some info on inconsistencies) and to Paul Thompson's timeline:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

I think the next guests for Webster should be David Ray Griffin or / and Steven Jones.

I agree, it was a little bit out of place to present Nico and Jeff in the last show.

911truth failed to mention on cnn that national geographic failed to mention wtc-7 in thier documentary

hope they dont drop the ball again

The dutch newsitem is indeed MSM.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/63336

i wish i could read what the dutch have to say...

AmandaReconwith, go away, you pod people are not helping the movement.

Jon Gold: "I'm not going to attack people"

Maybe you should. Disinfo such as the kind Tarpley is peddling needs to be destroyed.

"infighting wastes time"

If it wasn't for the no-planers, we'd all have been where we are now a year ago. Talk about wasted time.

i think the noplaners should be bann if they keep spouting their crap...

Moussaoui just executed a controlled demolition on the 9/11 conspiracy movement.

Too bad for you guys.

Sure Jansen, one gov't-manipulated jackass sunk the entire truth movement!

Doug Jansen.

What makes you think so? That he was planning on doing it to rescue the blind sheikh? If that were true, why no demands from the hijackers?

Moussaoui is a patsy, whether he knows it or not.

That's obvious.

When are we going to see a half million people in the streets of an American city demanding a new, independent 9/11 investigation ... like we saw this last weekend over proposed immigration reform? They just stopped traffic on the 101 today! And I don't get it. Maybe "the worm is turning" as Charlie says. Everyone in NY turn out Wed. and "thank" CNN.

" When are we going to see a half million people in the streets of an American city demanding a new, independent 9/11 investigation."

You won't. And you wouldn't like the results anyway.