The Democrats, and the Republicans play for the same team. There are VERY few "real" politicians in Washington D.C. right now.

I would the link list might include 10 people or so.

The fact of the matter is, if you're a "career politician", and have been in D.C. 20+ years, you are bought and paid for.

People on my board know that I am a PERFECT typer. PERFECT I say!!!

You know things have taken a turn for the worse when you turn to C-Span for a good laugh.

I wonder if Americans are aware of the fact that most Europeans consider both the republicans and the democrats to be in the (far) right of the political spectrum, and the bipartisan character of American politics to be undemocratic. Apart from a lot of other issues, the ferocious lobbying culture is particularly unequaled in European politics. Other than that, I think obvious conflicts of interest like Cheney's ties with Halliburton would not stand for a week in Europe. It doesn't mean we Europeans are in political heaven though, I guess in terms of corruption and unaccountable policies we are all pretty much fucked :)

there is a team and if you don't play ball, that team makes your twin engine plane crash somewhere.

"I think jews who were not involved in the attacks should really start shouting the truth."
How about EVERYBODY who was not involved start shouting the truth?
"sterotypes exist for a reason"
Yes, the reason is bigots like you.
BTW, if you're implying that Maher is Jewish, I believe you're incorrect.

Andy White,
way to fight buddy!
try sending her a 9-11 DVD.
if you don't have one, email me
bushlet911happen@bellsouth.net
and you will soon have one.
btw, great article by Dissident Voice
peace,pw

pw!! Hat tip! We 'uns up nawth hyeah in South Cahlina done got 1600+ DVDs out since last June, a few active downline duplicators going, and a new downline just offered his studio duplicator.

The flashpoint cometh [music].
http://chapelhill.indymedia.org/uploads/countdown.mp3

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spread the truth freewayblogger style

Am I alone in feeling dissapointed, really dissapointed and surprised that not one Hollywood actor or director, with the honorable exception of Ed Asner, has come out in support of Charlie Sheen?

Where all you all?

Now is the time to speak, not in one month or six months' time. This is a critical moment in the history, not just of your country, but the world.

I'm thinking of Rob Reiner, who made A Few Good Men.

Jack Nicholson, who was so brilliant in that film.

Tim Robbins, who was in Dead Man Walking.

Susan Sarandon - come on, love , you're half-way there already.

Will Oliver Stone deliver a knockout? Will he be allowed to? I doubt it.

Stephen Soderbergh?

Stephen Sondheim , for that matter , in fact the whole frigging Broadway community?

Writers like David Leavitt?

In the UK, we have an army of leftist darlings like Harold Pinter, Alan Bennett, Vanessa Redgrave, Richard Attenborough, Jonathan Miller, Nick Hytner.
They all bang the anti-Bush drum loudly enough, but where are they to be found when the chips are down?

Darlings, it's time you got up from your dinner tables in Camden and sniffed that single estate
fairtrade bird-friendly coffee you like so much.

Get real!

I agree with Mark 100%. The entire government is corrupt. I see no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Just different sides of the same coin. We the people have to take our country back at a grass roots level. Then we need to fill the jails with the corrupt politicians.........I can dream can't I?

freewayblogger awes us.

Forgive and forgayut!
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Ron Paul seems like he's worth something.

Yes, the Democrats are worthless and selfish but if they get one House of Congress in the elections this year, they get subpoena power and you never know what will come out and where it will lead. Bush is below 40 in the polls with a war on his hands and the only thing protecting him is the Republicans in Congress. Wasn't Butterworth's testimony about the WH tapes a surprise?

OT, but I'm wondering if anyone here is familiar with this BBC report from 2002 called "Fall of the WTC."

Information Clearinghouse has just today posted the video. I don't have 45 minutes free to watch right now, but thought I'd at least alert people here. It's gotta be propaganda, since it's mainstream media. Correct me if I'm wrong!

http:// informationclearinghouse....rticle12643.htm

That video is bullshit and its old. and J. Hoffman already debunks this shit

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/eagar_nova/nova_eag...

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/collapse/trusses.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/official/trusses.html#flaws

I like this one:

http://www.freewayblogger.com/newtwial/tw10.JPG

Need some 9/11 ones...

After Iran-Contra, I recognized that it was the job of Republicans (I still thought of Dems and Reps as separate entities back then) to betray and shred and trample on the Constitution ever time they thought no one was looking. Which meant that it was the job of the Democrats to oppose such behavior.

Which is why I do not feel betrayed by Reps over 9/11, but I do (well, did) feel betrayed by Dems (for failing to do what I formerly saw as their job)!

The only thing more revealing than the content of Bush's repeated incriminating 9/11 witness statements is the total non-reaction to them by Democrats!!!! (It doesn't take a majority, or a subpoena, to merely ask a question, raise an issue...)

(And the only thing more revealing than that is the way so many of the gatekeeping self-proclaimed leaders of the so-called 911 truth movement devalue/dismiss and cloud, shroud, obfuscate, and otherwise tell lies about Bush's repeated incriminating 9/11 witness statements!)

If I ever get the chance to ask Bush a question (as did Harry Taylor on Thursday in North Carolina, who didn't ask a question but scolded Bush instead), you can bet it will be about Bush's repeated incriminating 9/11 witness statements!!! (most people still remain unaware of them...)

Outspoken apparent 911 truthers such as Bob Bowman and Carol Brouillet who are running for Congress should take a pledge that, if elected, they will ask that question and raise that issue. In fact, I propose that as an honesty test for all candidates.

George W. Bush hoist himself by his own petard, and 'everyone' (including many self-proclaimed 911 truthers!) is letting him slide off the hook and get away with mass murder.
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I don't know how recently they've done polls on it but I remember that at the time of the Oliver Stone movie, over 80% of the American public believed that there was a wider conspiracy. Remember, earlier than the movie, the House Committee on Assassinations DID reinvestigate JFK's assassination and contradicted the Warren Report, to wit that there was a shot fired from the grassy knoll.

JFK's death was one man and the next president was of his own party. What did it really change? 911 is so much bigger and the truth really is out there, in the science.

What I mean to say is that there was a point where 80%+ of the American public was paying attention and wrapped their skulls around it enough to say they didn't believe the official version. Today, I think its conventional wisdom that the American people don't accept the Warren Report.

It only has to start happening with 911 and it will snow ball. Martin Luther King often said, "Truth crushed to earth shall rise again," I believe. Yes, there's been a lot of obfuscation but I have a lot of hope. Only 3 years ago, they were all crowing and gloating about the Iraq War.

I have to disagree with Hi. 11/22/63 was a major coupe that changed everything. It was far worse than 9/11. This is when,as Tarpley calls it, the "Shadow Government" took over our country. Had JFK lived there would have never been a Viet Nam. Kennedy was in the process of pulling out the "Military Advisers" from South East Asia after consulting with retired Gen. Douglas Mac Arthur. Kennedy was going to rip the CIA to shreads and scatter it to the winds. Kennedy was also doing away with the Federal Reserve. I remember when he issued Silver Certificates. This is why JFK was murdered. Tarpley states in his book that Bush 1 was part of the plot. Had Kennedy lived 9/11 never would have happened. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

Maddog, that JFK stuff is fascinating!

"I'm thinking of Rob Reiner, who made A Few Good Men.

Jack Nicholson, who was so brilliant in that film.

Tim Robbins, who was in Dead Man Walking.

Susan Sarandon - come on, love , you're half-way there already.

Will Oliver Stone deliver a knockout? Will he be allowed to? I doubt it.

Stephen Soderbergh?"

unfortunately the actors/directors you list are extremely generically liberal and most likely believe the "incompetence theory" which is the theory created by the 9/11 comission/bush as a trap for liberals/democrats to fall into. It is designed so all the democrats can all point and say "look at bush he's so stupid, he couldnt even stop 911!!!"

"I have to disagree with Hi. 11/22/63 was a major coupe that changed everything. It was far worse than 9/11. This is when,as Tarpley calls it, the "Shadow Government" took over our country."

while i respect Tarpley highly, i think it is very naive and miopic to think that assassination of JFK is when the "shadow goverment" took over. What about the self inflicted wound of "Remember the maine"? What about the freemasons that engineered and controlled the publics reaction to the British ownership of America? What about the FDR administration allowing pearl harbor to take place? America was conducting covert and unjust wars ever since the start of the country, for evidence of this check out the book "Killing Hope".

I really never understood people saying everything started with the kennedy assassination. In my opinion, things were way fucked up before 1963.

Kennedy was the one who really stuck us in Vietnam by engineering the assassination of the Diem brothers. After that, the US was responsible for Vietnam.

Kennedy's "pay any price, bear any burden" is the same kind of rhetoric that comes out of George Bush.

For those who are interested in the Kennedy assignation please read Tarpley's "George Bush, The Unauthorized Biography" also check out what Alex Jones has to say on the subject. Another good source is The Meria Heller show. I have been researching the subject for years. Kennedy was put into office by "The Powers that Be" but wouldn't play ball. Remember Kennedy came from an Elite Family. I lived through Kennedy's "Camelot" years and can assure you this country was far different then. I remember when he visited West Germany. He was greeted like a rock star. Now Bush goes to Europe and they bring out Armies to protect him. I could go on and on but this is a 9/11 site and would like to stick to the topic. If anyone doubts what I say, please research the subject like I did.

Frank V,way to go buddy
maddog,is right
so is Hi and robert martin when it comes to the assination of JFK ( google this "EO 1110")
but 9-11 happened on our watch and because of the internet (which the Bush/PNAC adm. did not count on, they lost power in 1993 and then regained it Jan 2001) common folks
like myself are able to get to the truth in minutes compared to "somtimes" years before the internet.
Frank V and i have a friendly contest
going on....see who can hand out the most burnt 9-11 DVD's.
I'm at about 1200 (200 so far for this year)
peace,pw

I must agree with maddog on the JFK thing. Ike warned about the Military Industral Complex in his fairwell address to the nation. 11/22/63 is when the MIC took power. Shadow Government is a poor choice of words. Before WW2 there was no MIC, just corrupt presidents. Truman formed the CIA and later regreted it. Nam started with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. LBJ moved troops to Nam 6 days after JFK was killed. He didn't wast time. He was part of the coupe. There has been no decent presidents since. The Kennedy brothers also prevented a Nuclear War with their handeling of the Cubin Missile Crisis effectivly ending the cold war and saving all life on Earth. They both were killed for their efforts. Obviously there would have been no 9/11 had those two great men lived.

Very well stated, iandi!