The Fraud of 9/11: Unfinished Business

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In the 1990’s with the collapse of the USSR, America is left as the singular superpower. It has a swaggering military redundancy with no apparent enemies to deter and a huge and tempting power vacuum to be filled.

A cabal of Washington based neoconservatives quickly seize the opportunity to correct this situation. Thus, the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) comes into being. As a blueprint for global domination it advocates serial, simultaneous and pre-emptive warfare as necessary to achieve this goal. In other terms, the ultimate objective is to achieve “Global Battlespace Dominance,” more euphemistically known as “Full Spectrum Dominance.”

Another document, “Vision for 2020” rounds out the master plan. It calls for the weaponization of space-Star Wars. Under the guise of being a mantel of first defense its actual purpose will be to enforce America’s dominance globally with space launched missiles and laser cannons.

The one missing ingredient in this stellar formula for global domination was a pretext. Such a vast undertaking could not simply be initiated until there was a convenient scapegoat; where enemies do not exist they must created, where they do exist their lethality must be exaggerated.
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When 9/11 happened it was called an event that would change the world, and it surely has done that. The problem with 9/11 is the integrity of the events of that day. There is preponderance of evidence that challenges the official view of what happened.
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History is being driven by a heinous corruption that falsifies subsequent events and policies.

Unfortunately, it may well be, full accountability, and the exact depth of the fraudulence will not be rendered until after the Bush administration leaves office. It may even be left for some future generation to render, at which time it will be mere historical footnote and passed off as the cost of empire; but then too maybe the ruination of The Dream. In the mean time, the casualty list from 9/11 grows extravagantly in human lives and numerous other manifestations; with truth being the first, and democracy among the most precious.

Found this on the Rutgers U

Found this on the Rutgers U daily paper:

"The media didn't have the same want to find the truth," van Auken said. "Conflicting facts began to raise issues to us. It became very clear to us that we were supposed to play the role of the unquestioning victims."

This was an event that would change the world and there was no desire to find out exactly what had happened and why, van Auken said.

"We've been operating in an environment that's a no-fault government," Kleinberg said. "Whatever glossing over of the topic they could do they would."

http://media.www.dailytargum.com/media/storage/paper168/news/2006/04/12/...

Anonymous, How brazen it is

Anonymous,
How brazen it is to show those pictures to the jury. They know the defense is so cowed it won't challenge that the plane "liquefied" into a little hole in the ground.

911 corrupted our government at so many levels.

You need to register to read

You need to register to read that story about the Jersey Girls... I have the whole thing here...

9/11 Widows DEMAND Answers

http://www.911closeup.com/nic

AmandaReconwith = Disinfo

AmandaReconwith = Disinfo Agent

lots of 911 stories in the

lots of 911 stories in the media that reinforce the official myth. the photos above definetely show signs of metal and organic material.

AmandaReconwith: Disinfo

AmandaReconwith: Disinfo agents like you will be held accountable as Accessories After The Fact. Hope you enjoy prison life.

Plane Huggers "The term

Plane Huggers

"The term refers to those people in the 9/11 Truth Movement, also known as truthlings, who believe that real, full size commercial passenger jets or planes were used in the 9/11 event."

According to Nico Haupt. Nico Haupt, SHILL.

You know... come to think of

You know... come to think of it, I don't think 9/11 ever happened. I think it was a figment of all our imaginations. You know, JUST LIKE the Holocaust.

You know, JUST LIKE the moon

You know, JUST LIKE the moon landing.

You know... JUST LIKE

You know... JUST LIKE everything else that has happened throughout history has been nothing more than a figment of our impressive imaginations.

Welp, if 9/11 never

Welp, if 9/11 never happened, then what the hell am I doing throwing my life away? Maybe it's time to throw in the towel.

Here's what I think of Nico

Here's what I think of Nico Haupt.

“Gassed,” he hissed. “Have you ever heard of gassing? It is very easy. You open the door of the plane, and it spreads.”

“You think they gassed them?” Would even the Illuminati stoop this low?

Haupt cast a withering look. “That, or some other method of murder. Assholes!”

“Nico, calm down,” said Tarpley. “This is tactics. There’s no reason to make an enormous moral issue out of everything.”

But Haupt was past consoling. “You are motherfuckers. Stupid motherfuckers.” Slamming the tabletop, he gathered his things and stormed out.

“Nico is so emotional,” said one activist, returning to her plate of pierogi.

Doesn't sound like much of a team player to me does it?

So AmandaReconwith... you

So AmandaReconwith... you have been outed. I wouldn't be surprised if you WERE Nico.

welcome to the jon gold

welcome to the jon gold thread! ;)

another new pic of 93 debris?

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/04/12/moussaoui.trial/newt1.03.flight93.jpg

kelly arena was just on cnn

kelly arena was just on cnn visibly shaken with tears in her eyes having just listened to the black box recording of flight 93.

meanwhile in iraq, lots of shit is blowing up, but no tears from ms arena.

have you no sense of decency senator?

"welcome to the jon gold

"welcome to the jon gold thread!"

Sorry. Some things burn me up.

Off topic, quick question.

Off topic, quick question. Which tower fell first, the one closest to building 7 or the one farther away?

If this were a real jet

If this were a real jet plane striking an object that is a very small fraction of it's mass there would be debris.

http://nineeleven2001.tripod.com/images/ua175-1-a.swf

And, as you can plainly see, there is no debris.

http://nineeleven2001.tripod.com/images/ua175-10.swf

Nico Haupt makes truthers

Nico Haupt makes truthers look foolish. He is either disinfo, a jackass, or both.

Ditto for AmandaReconwith.

Ditto for AmandaReconwith. Hologram bullshit.

Hey Nico, those links are

Hey Nico, those links are broken.

Mike, Further away (south

Mike,

Further away (south tower).

Mike Jr., The North Tower

Mike Jr., The North Tower was struck first, but the South Tower fell first. The fire/smoke in the South Tower was almost gone, so they had to "pull-it" about 56 minutes after it was hit.

Anonymous thanx, I was just

Anonymous thanx, I was just thinking about some of the shit the "retired cop" said about building 7 on that O&A show.

We all seen the pics of the

We all seen the pics of the building at ground level after the towers fell. I remember the one where you're looking down the street and 7 is on the right, and you can see 5 and 6 in the back ground all mest up but still standing, and in that pic 7 dosen't look "twisted or leaning to one side".

Also he said that they

Also he said that they couldn't even go inside of 7 because of all the damage to the lower floors and because of the twisting and leaning of the building. Dosn't that mean we was right about Silverstiens comment about Pulling the building.

It OK if you think the real

It OK if you think the real planes weren't used, or if no planes at all were used, as long as you are working at exposing the truth.

These daily, drive by postings by Amanda and others aren't necessary helping the movement. Neither is the implication that those that do not wholly embrace the hologram theory are gatekeepers of some sort, or not interested in promoting the truth.

Maybe instead of these daily attacks, stick around and work WITH us at trying to expose the truth. After all, you MIGHT be wrong about the hologram/video trickery, theory, just as we might be wrong in the theories we believe in. However, that does not mean we can't work together to try to find the truth.

Personally I subscribe to the Bumble Plane theory, and there are those that would think I'm nuts for doing so. However, I will not demand everyone around agree 100 percent with me on this, and attack those that don't. I will instead work with these people at exposing the truth, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.

Remember, you just might be wrong...

Yes Mjr., the junk that

Yes Mjr., the junk that "cop" said was a complete fabrication, debunked years ago.
As you can see, the North Tower (WTC-1) (closest to WTC-7) was stuck by the plane flying southward past WTC-7. And the North Tower was 350+ feet away from WTC-7, with WTC-6 in between, no less!
Map: http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/wtc_map.htm

bigguy, what the heck is the

bigguy, what the heck is the "Bumble Plane" theory?

Also I think that the

Also I think that the disinfo being put out there is really hurting us. Alot of people believe this false information. More people are talking about the governments roll in 9-11 now then they ever have before, and thats a good thing. The bad thing is alot of people believe alot of false info. I've heard or read people say that the towers had no core. Or that there was no concrete in the buildings...etc. We just gotta keep pounding the truth.

Anonymous Check out this

Anonymous

Check out this link, it explains it all.

http://www.public-action.com/911/bumble.html

"It is OK if you think the

"It is OK if you think the real planes weren't used, or if no planes at all were used, as long as you are working at exposing the truth."

SBG... I love ya man.

Go tell someone holograms were used instead of planes, and tell me what happens.

SBG... I still love you. Go

SBG... I still love you.

Go tell someone no planes were used on 9/11, and tell me what happens.

Say it exactly like this...

Say it exactly like this... "The Government was involved in 9/11.", their response, "Ok, where's your proof", and respond exactly like this... "Holograms were used instead of planes."

Tell me how that

Tell me how that goes.

Nothin' but love for ya man.

Of course, it doesn't matter

Of course, it doesn't matter that we're having this discussion... because AmandaReconwith will be more than happy to start the same discussion in the next thread. And the same discussion in the next thread after that.

Exactly Jon. He/she does

Exactly Jon. He/she does this hit & run all over the web. It misleads the general public about what 9/11 truth is really trying to prove, and it also discredits us.

Jon Gold, Thanks for turning

Jon Gold,
Thanks for turning the Targum link into something everyone can read without the rigamarole of registering. I thought those comments were the most pointed I've read yet from the 9/11 New Jersey women. Much more so than the Kristen Breitweiser piece on Huffington Post which seemed more political, even bringing up "healthcare" for all.

I'm wary of new social programs but I'll vote Democrat in November to get some subpoena power and hope it busts something open. At the very least, the spotlight on investigating Bush makes it acceptable to discuss EVERYTHING. Remember how many times the death of Vince Foster was investigated and how much media play there was on it and that Congressman shooting a watermelon in his backyard to prove that Vince Foster's gun should have been heard in the Saudi embassy? That was wild stuff.

As to the discussion of whether real planes were used and whether disinformation hurts, "Let all the poison thats in the mud hatch out." Thats how I think about it. Because once it becomes a widespread topic for discussion, the American people have a way of zeroing in on whats important. Notice how all the fluff about "spreading democracy," all the purple finger crap, is kaput and the naked fact that Bush lied us into war stands.

Hi-- I'm registered as

Hi--

I'm registered as unaffiliated, but it's an old cliche that was never really true in the first place to suggest that the Dems are the big spenders in American politics.

Corporate welfare is at least triple the amount that goes to help people in need in this country. The defense budget is over half the discretionary budget, and that doesn't include the black budget, or defense-oriented spending by the Department of Energy, NASA, or any of the two dozen intelligence agencies.

Reagan and Bush put Carter and Clinton to shame when it comes to blowing your money; we've just been conditioned to think that any amount of pork, waste, and fraud on the part of the military-industrial complex is justified by a claim of "national security."

You may have had too many

You may have had too many Molsons, bigguy. Pabst Blue Ribbon makes you smart, man!

Thanks for the bumble-bee

Thanks for the bumble-bee theory, hadn't seen that. :+:

Next class is this Friday

Next class is this Friday (8/14/2006) at 8pm. The topic is one of my favorites... the 9/11 Commission.

FYI.

Class Is Now In Session

Hey Jon, point being we can

Hey Jon, point being we can argue about who is right or wrong, or we can work together to find the truth. I don't push my beliefs on others, nor do I demand others side with me and label them as disinfo if they don't.

I am not arrogant enough to think that I am right and everyone else is wrong, and those that believe in holograms or video trickery should not be either. Articles that discuss 'Planehuggers' do not help the movement in any way. Nor do top ten lists or any other tricks that they like to play.

Its time for the hologram and video trickery people to accept that there are differing opinions, and they shouldn't take them seriously. Its time to put our differences aside and work as a team.

If those that like playing these games continue to do so, then they are not interested in finding the truth. Come on guys (and girls) time to put our differences aside and focus our efforts on the task at hand.

Jesus, this sounds

Jesus, this sounds fabricated, but it's going to be damn near impossible to get truth to people when they hear this stuff.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui_29;_ylt=Asfglz...

SBG, so eloquently put! :+:

SBG, so eloquently put! :+:

The hologram theory is my

The hologram theory is my favorite conspiracy theory of all. :lol

That's perfectly fine geggy,

That's perfectly fine geggy, I won't scold you for it :+:

^^^^ I agree that sounds

^^^^ I agree that sounds like bullshit. but what can we do. my response to this kind of stuff is this
47 stories + 6.6 seconds + pancake = impossible so regardless of what happens at the Moussaui trial it can not beat those facts

U.S. Says Iran Can Build A

U.S. Says Iran Can Build A Nuclear Bomb In 16 Days

Of course, according to Hans Blix, the man who was right about Iraq WMD says something different.

Well that's interesting.

Well that's interesting. Seymour Hersh in January 2005 made the same allegations that he made over the weekend.

Is the UA93 cockpit voice

Is the UA93 cockpit voice recording only to be played for the Zacarias Moussaoui jury, or will the audio be released for the public to hear also?

U.S. Says Iran Can Build A

U.S. Says Iran Can Build A Nuclear Bomb In 16 Days

There are alot of "ifs" in that article that make the headline seem like classic propganda rhetoric. The substance of the article will be ignored but the headline will stick. The article doesn't even support that assertion if you read the whole thing.
But 16 days might imply that Bush couldn't wait for the congressional /public debate that the GOP says they want,.especially after the Iranian's recent announcement He was just making his decision on the state dept. evaluation, he had to act to protect us....sound familiar? Maybe when their gone for Easter break.......God I hope not.
(Jon , waiting for your response to my recent post on the "Pakistan" angle.)

A Man To Reckon With = Nico

A Man To Reckon With = Nico Haupt?

Possible, given the singleminded obession with pushing Hauptian (did I just coin a phrase?) theories, while ignoring everything else... sounds like someone actively promoting their own website, and the screen name is quite the tell.

Now, I'm not going to get picky with someone exploring the more bizarro theories, as different people come to conclusions through different paths, and if Hauptian holograms gets someone to make their way from official storyville to wanting the truth, I'm not going to knock the hologrammers too much. Unfortunately, the Hauptian hologrammers seem to cause the most derision (them and those that stick to the official story).

Just my take on it.

Hey now dont get me wrong.

Hey now dont get me wrong. The hologram theory IS b.s. It's just one of the most amusing ones that were deliberately put forth by disinfo agents.

Guys, was 93 the flight

Guys, was 93 the flight where they say the last few minutes of the tape disappeared or they won't release it or whatever?

The black-box tape is

The black-box tape is compelling stuff - as long as one isn't a conspiracy wanker of course...

HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT

What do you make of this??

What do you make of this??

Here's something else for

Here's something else for ya.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904#survey

Hey Terrence-- What can you

Hey Terrence--

What can you tell me about current projects underway at Sandia and Los Alamos? Since you're convinced that the government and its employees can't or won't keep secrets about their activities, I'm sure you can point me to a public website detailing all black budget projects....

Mike Jr.-- I don't trust any

Mike Jr.--

I don't trust any online polls since I know that both right-wing and liberal blogs, websites, and talk shows provoke stampedes of people to vote in them, and the results are almost always unreliable.

I wish the results were accurate in this case, but I think there's still a third of America who loves war and hates gays enough to support Bush to the bitter end.

"What can you tell me about

"What can you tell me about current projects underway at Sandia and Los Alamos?"

No idea - but one thing I am sure of - if they involved killing thousands of innocent Americans, we'd hear about it...

Hey Anonymous, they

Hey Anonymous, they supposedly played the Cockpit Voice Recorder from flight 93 to the relatives way back in 2002 and I believe the last 5 minutes were missing.

Seems they can't identify

Seems they can't identify any of the passenger and crew voices on the tape. Only the hapless Arab pilots who crashed the plane because people were banging on the cockpit door... Oh, brother.

"No idea - but one thing I

"No idea - but one thing I am sure of - if they involved killing thousands of innocent Americans, we'd hear about it...
Terrence | Homepage | 04.12.06 - 2:58 pm | #"

Really? Perhaps you should Google "Northwoods" and read the now declassified document. Then come back here and state that you are 100% sure that our government would not plan an attack on their own.

My understanding is that

My understanding is that local seismographs had the impact of flight 93 at 10:06. This was consistent with local witnesses accounts. The voice recorder audio ends at 10:03. The Commission didn't address the discrepency and simply changed the time of impact to 10:03 in their report citing the voice recorder as evidence. Thus the assertion that 3 minutes were missing.

I have pictures of gun

I have pictures of gun collections supposedly recovered from ground zero; there are also the stories of the hard drives recovered; and there's the gentleman's testimony the other day who said he was on the phone with his son or grandson as his plane Flight 175 struck the South Tower; they supposedly recovered one small bone from his son at ground zero. WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOXES???

Ballad of FBI Agent John O'Neill
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/JONBallad.mp3

Hey Terrence, You didn't

Hey Terrence,

You didn't reply to my last post a couple of threads down. No worries, I didn't expect any.

Here's a question for you. Why wasn't George W. Bush rushed out of Booker Elementary when Andy Carr told him the nation was under attack, and it was also known that at least one more hijacked plane was in the air with an unknown destination, while the president's visit to Booker had been widely publicized?

(Ohw and by the way, "because they didn't want to scare the children" does not count for an answer.)

Slightly On-Topic? : If you

Slightly On-Topic? :

If you don't know, there is big March planned by United for Peace & Justice:

Saturday, April 29
March for Peace, Justice and Democracy

Assemble: 22nd Street and Broadway,
10:30AM onward
March: At noon down Broadway to Foley Square
Grassroots action festival: 1:00-6:00PM,
Foley Square
See http://www.april29.org for more details.

Great opportunity for those of you in NY. Can you possibly contact the organizers and work with them ? This group is huuuuuge.

Hey Zuco, they should have

Hey Zuco, they should have evacuated 10 city blocks the minute the second plane hit. They had to assume that the president was a target. They willingly put his life on the line as well as the lives of every child in that school by not immediately evacuating.

I guess if you know you're not a target, you don't evacuate...

"Hey Terrence, You didn't

"Hey Terrence,

You didn't reply to my last post a couple of threads down. No worries, I didn't expect any."

Sorry, I have a life and don't keep accurate tabs on conspiracy threads unless I'm in the need for a yuck...

"Here's a question for you. Why wasn't George W. Bush rushed out of Booker Elementary when Andy Carr told him the nation was under attack"

This is what you conspiracy folks hang your hats on? Besides, I had no idea that Booker Elementary was under attack...

Terrence, didn't I own your

Terrence, didn't I own your ass yesterday?

Answer this simple question...

Why should we believe the official story?

C'mon Terrence... that's not

C'mon Terrence... that's not a loaded question. If you believe the official story, and think they are right, tell us why we should agree with you.

somebigguy and Zuco, About

somebigguy and Zuco,

About Bush being/not being a target. I was reading through the transcripts of the White House Press Briefings on 9/11, 9/12 and two things stood out. look what I found...

9/12/01

"MR. FLEISCHER:...In this case, we have specific and credible information that the White House and Air Force One were also intended targets of these attacks.

As the President also said in his remarks, this battle will take time and resolve; and, make no mistake, we will prevail.
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MR. FLEISCHER: John, we have real and credible information that the airplane that landed at the Pentagon was originally intended to hit the White House.

Q Can you tell us about the nature of that evidence?

MR. FLEISCHER: No, of course I cannot. Any questions relating to how we have obtained any of this information, sources and methods, I will, of course, not answer.
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Q Can you confirm reports, though, that the plane flew over the Pentagon and passed over the U.S. Capitol? If the White House was indeed a target? There have been military sources who say it flew over the U.S. Capitol.

MR. FLEISCHER: No, I do not -- I have not heard that report. I have not heard that report.
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MR. FLEISCHER: I am not going to lead you any further as to speculating about what was the nature of the threat to Air Force One. But as I indicated, and I'll say it again, it was real, it was credible and –
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Q Ari, is it -- going back to Air Force One, is it fair to assume that once he decided to leave Nebraska and head for Washington, that it was -- that you were confident that the threat was over at that point?

MR. FLEISCHER: To leave Nebraska and head back to Washington? Yes. On the flight to Nebraska from Louisiana, the President indicated that he wanted to get back to Washington as soon as possible. He was advised at that point, the recommendation to him was it would not be prudent to return to Washington at that time, given the information that we had here in Washington.

Following his meeting in Nebraska, the President made the determination to return. And obviously it was safe enough for him to do so.

Q Ari, we started off this briefing by you saying that there was specific and credible evidence that the plane that hit the Pentagon was originally targeted for the White House.

MR. FLEISCHER: Correct."

Completely Off-Topic

Completely Off-Topic Post:

Quadruplets Laughing
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5619481843152124341&pl=true

So Ari is saying that Air

So Ari is saying that Air Force One was a target, and that the Pentagon plane was supposed to hit the White House. Here's from the next day...

Q:And the second part of the question -- yesterday you said from that podium that the plane that hit the Pentagon was destined to hit here. And yet the plane came up from the south along I-95 and hit the west wing -- it doesn't seem to figure. Can you perhaps clarify for us?

MR. FLEISCHER: ....On the second question, I think we've really exhausted that topic. I've got nothing further to add.

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Q But, Ari, prior to your statement yesterday on that subject, no other law enforcement -- no law enforcement agency involved in this -- the FBI, the Secret Service, any of the branches of the military -- gave any hint that Air Force One had been a target. And so, clearly, once you put that out there, people are going to want to know more information about whether or not that's a credible assertion. And what can you tell us?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I think that people understand it's credible.
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After one day, Ari is already saying the topic of Air Force one being targeted is "exhausted". Total Disinfo.

As for the Pentagon plane wanting to hit the white house...this must have been a disinfo plan from the begining, but then it didn't play out.

and Jon, there's some stuff

and Jon, there's some stuff about Pakistan in these Press Briefings too. You might want to check them out.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings/

Terrence, > Sorry, I have a

Terrence,

> Sorry, I have a life and don't keep accurate tabs
> on conspiracy threads unless I'm in the need for a yuck...

I also have a life, which is why my posts are sometimes a little delayed. Just thought I'd point out that I do intend to finish a discussion.

> This is what you conspiracy folks hang your hats on?

I don't know where you're getting at, I only asked you a question. Also, I don't wear hats.

> Besides, I had no idea that Booker Elementary was under attack...

It's not about Booker, it's about the alcoholic nutbag that was in it. So, are you assuming that they knew Bush wasn't a target? Because if you do, I'd like to thank you for answering a question of mine for the first time, and without even knowing that you did.

Poor Jon - the multi-posting

Poor Jon - the multi-posting moonbaticus persisticus thinks the whole nation is crazy except for himself and a handful of clown-shoe conspiracy wonks.

"If you believe the official story, and think they are right, tell us why we should agree with you."

An avalanche of evidence, backed up by an army of experts. logic, facts, and my two eyes. What do you have? Crazy theories and Charlie Sheen...

hey, i saw the cnn photo of

hey, i saw the cnn photo of the one piece of tin foil that was flight 93.

has anyone ever seen an air crash scene where cnn can only show a close-up of one piece of tin foil?

let me know when i can buy tickets to the trial.

And thanks Ian, for the

And thanks Ian, for the additional information posted. Never seen that :)

"It's not about Booker, it's

"It's not about Booker, it's about the alcoholic nutbag that was in it. So, are you assuming that they knew Bush wasn't a target? "

Why do you folks assume that government incompetence doesn't exist? Should they have rushed him out? yes. Why didn't they? Incompetence, shock, no one realized it was an attack, stupidity or all of the above.

I think the root of your problem is you started from your desired conclusion -- US Govt complicity in the attacks -- and then search for any scrap of info to support your conclusion.

Why do you folks assume that

Why do you folks assume that government incompetence doesn't exist? Should they have rushed him out? yes. Why didn't they? Incompetence, shock, no one realized it was an attack, stupidity or all of the above.

Right. Incompetence. Everyone gets promoted!

Why do you folks assume that

Why do you folks assume that government incompetence doesn't exist? Should they have rushed him out? yes. Why didn't they? Incompetence, shock, no one realized it was an attack, stupidity or all of the above.

if you assumne incompetence, wouldnt you assume someone should be fired?

then why were most promoted?

I think the root of your problem is you started from your desired conclusion -- evil muslims using boxcutters in the attacks -- and bury your head in sand because the government told you they would take care of it.

Terrence, if it was just one

Terrence, if it was just one thing or maybe two then it would be just incompetence.

However, when you have 10s of things that are EXTREMELY questionable, then it is no longer incompetence.

The odds of all these events falling into place this way are about a TRILLION to ONE.

Evidently, you have never served in the military. First of all, I have and I am here to tell you that we can, and would, have jets in the air in 10-15 minutes. This day they were prevented.

It's not incompetence that the Secret Service did not do their job, or the military, or the defense system of the nations most protected air space.

Sorry, but that is just not possible! If you believe that all these people are this incompetant, you might want to start a movement to have these people removed.

The fact is that these events happened because they were allowed, or made, to happen. Beyond that, there is little proof, yet, as to what really happened.

oh terrance, there are

oh terrance, there are mountains of scraps, and not airplane scraps or WTC scraps.

no one is saying that it was the US Govt complicity, i think we all suspect that it is some rogue subset of the government.

i suspect its a product of the gold rule, those with the gold rule . . . and that would be rich Arabs, rich Americans, rich Isralis, rich Pakastanis . ..

look at all of those who have profitted so handsomely from the 9/11 attacks and think about it while you're filling your gas tank.

do you realize that one of the by products of the conflict in Iraq is that the chaos that we created keeps all of that beautiful crude oil burried under the ground. Keeps the prices high.

Terrance, quit being a rube and wake up. This game is as old as time.

Incompetence...that's your

Incompetence...that's your theory????

Incompetence doesn't account for Fema arriving on Sept 10th.

Incompetence doesn't account for War Games being practiced conveniently on the same day.

Incompetence doesn't account for Silverstein admitting WTC 7 was pulled.

Incompetence doesn't account for Bin Laden being visited by the CIA in July 2001....

Incompetence doesn't account for some highjackers still being alive.

Incompetence doesn't account for massive foreknowledge of the event from 11 nations around the world nor does it account for the put option in the early days of September on two airline stocks.

I could go on but maybe it's over your head....

anyone know where I could

anyone know where I could find a transcipt of Mark Binghams call to his mother? hopefully from a website a 'non believer' wouldn't discount as a conspiracy site. thanks. my office is alive with talk about flt 93 today.

Trolls need to be banned.

Trolls need to be banned. Not fed.

Thanks for those transcripts Ian C. A good read.

if you ignore posters like

if you ignore posters like Terrence they will go away..

I wish official-story-believers like Terrence would ask real questions and back up their claims with documented evidence and fact.

But they never do.

Terrence, Does government

Terrence,
Does government incompetence exist? There is an easy one word answer for that: Iraq.

The issue at Booker Elementary is not the government. It is not George W. Bush. It's the Secret Service! The same Secret Service that rushed Dick Cheney to a "secret location" on 911 was strangely quiet when, after the 2nd plane hit and the country was CLEARLY under attack.

Why did the Secret Service endanger the lives of the President and ALL the occupants of the school on that day?

You say: "I think the root of your problem is you started from your desired conclusion -- US Govt complicity in the attacks -- and then search for any scrap of info to support your conclusion."
No Terrence, YOU have it backwards. The 911 Commission clearly did NOT investigate the possibility of anyone in the government being complicit in 911. They said that the put calls before 911 led to someone that "couldn't possibly have any connection to Al Qaeda." The FEMA report pretended the 47 core columns of the twin towers did not exist! The Commission had NO mention of Building 7, Mineta's live testimony, OR anything from the MANY witnesses to explosions at the twin towers.

I'd say it is the government that created a theory and then spent big bucks promoting that theory. That is certainly NOT a scientific method!

just found this. for some

just found this. for some reason it just sounds fishy to me.

http://theync.com/m041106911.shtml

don't mean to be insensitive or anything.

Too true solar roller. I

Too true solar roller. I agree entirely with your views on 9/11 however when people say Iraq was incompetence, I have to wonder! I think it's going exactly as planned.

09:31:57 — Ladies and

09:31:57 — Ladies and gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down keep remaining seating. We have a bomb on board. So sit.

09:32:09 — Er, uh ... Calling Cleveland center ... You're unreadable. Say again slowly.

09:32:10 — Don't move. Shut up.

09:32:13 — Come on, come.

09:32:16 — Shut up.

09:32:17 — Don't move.

09:32:18 — Stop.

09:32:34 — Sit, sit, sit down.

09:32:39 — Sit down.

09:32:41 — Unintelligible ... (the brother.)

09:32:54 — Stop.

09:33:09 — No more. Sit down.

09:33:10 — (That's it, that's it, that's it), down, down.

09:33:14 — Shut up.

09:33:20 — Unintelligible

09:33:20 — We just, we didn't get it clear ... Is that United 93 calling?

09:33:30 — (Jassim.)

09:33:34 — (In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.)

09:33:41 — Unintelligible.

09:33:43 — Finish, no more. No more.

09:33:49 — No. No, no, no, no.

09:33:53 — No, no, no, no.

09:34:00 — Go ahead, lie down. Lie down. Down, down, down.

09:34:06 — (There is someone ... Huh?)

09:34:12 — Down, down, down. Sit down. Come on, sit down. No, no, no, no, no. No.

09:34:16 — Down, down, down.

09:34:21 — Down.

09:34:25 — No more.

09:34:26 — No more. Down.

09:34:27 — Please, please, please ...

09:34:28 — Down.

09:34:29 — Please, please, don't hurt me ...

09:34:30 — Down. No more.

09:34:31 — Oh God.

09:34:32 — Down, down, down.

09:34:33 — Sit down.

09:34:34 — Shut up.

09:34:42 — No more.

09:34:46 — (This?)

09:34:47 — Yes.

09:34:47 — Unintelligible.

09:34:57 — (One moment, one moment.)

09:34:59 — Unintelligible.

09:35:03 — No more.

09:35:06 — Down, down, down, down.

09:35:09 — No, no, no, no, no, no...

09:35:10 — Unintelligible.

09:35:15 — Sit down, sit down, sit down.

09:35:17 — Down.

09:35:18 — (What's this?)

09:35:19 — Sit down. Sit down. You know, sit down.

09:35:24 — No, no, no.

09:35:30 — Down, down, down, down.

09:35:32 — Are you talking to me?

09:35:33 — No, no, no. Unintelligible.

09:35:35 — Down in the airport.

09:35:39 — Down, down.

09:35:40 — I don't want to die.

09:35:41 — No, no. Down, down.

09:35:42 — I don't want to die. I don't want to die.

09:35:44 — No, no. Down, down, down, down, down, down.

09:35:47 — No, no, please.

09:35:57 — No.

09:37:06 — (That's it. Go back.)

09:37:06 — (That's it.) Sit down.

09:37:36 _(Everthing is fine. I finished.)

09:38:36 — (Yes.)

09:39:11 — Ah. Here's the captain. I would like to tell you all to remain seated. We have a bomb aboard, and we are going back to the airport, and we have our demands. So, please remain quiet.

09:39:21 — OK. That's 93 calling?

09:39:24 — (One moment.)

09:39:34 — United 93. I understand you have a bomb on board. Go ahead.

09:39:42 — And center exec jet nine fifty-six. That was the transmission.

09:39:47 — OK. Ah. Who called Cleveland?

09:39:52 — Executive jet nine fifty-six, did you understand that transmission?

09:39:56 — Affirmative. He said that there was a bomb on board.

09:39:58 — That was all you got out of it also?

09:40:01 — Affirmative.

09:40:03 — Roger.

09:40:03 — United 93. Go ahead.

09:40:14 — United 93. Go ahead.

09:40:17 — Ahhh.

09:40:52 — (This green knob?)

09:40:54 — (Yes, that's the one.)

09:41:05 — United 93, do you hear the Cleveland center?

09:41:14 — (One moment. One moment.)

09:41:15 — Unintelligible.

09:41:56 — Oh man.

09:44:18 — (This does not work now.)

09:45:13 — Turn it off.

09:45:16 — (... Seven thousand ...)

09:45:19 — (How about we let them in? We let the guys in now.)

09:45:23 — (OK.)

09:45:24 — (Should we let the guys in?)

09:45:25 — (Inform them, and tell him to talk to the pilot. Bring the pilot back.)

09:45:57 — (In the name of Allah. In the name of Allah. I bear witness that there is no other God, but Allah.)

09:47:31 — Unintelligible.

09:47:40 — (Allah knows.)

09:48:15 — Unintelligible.

09:48:38 — Set course.

09:49:37 — Unintelligible.

09:51:27 — Unintelligible.

09:51:35 — Unintelligible.

09:52:02 — Unintelligible.

09:52:31 — Unintelligible.

09:53:20 — (The best thing: The guys will go in, lift up the) ... Unintelligible ... (and they put the axe into it. So, everyone will be scared.)

09:53:27 — (Yes.)

09:53:28 — (The axe.)

09:53:28 — Unintelligible.

09:53:29 — (No, not the.)

09:53:35 — (Let him look through the window. Let him look through the window.)

09:53:52 — Unintelligible.

09:54:09 — (Open.)

09:54:11 — Unintelligible.

09:55:06 — You are ... One ...

09:56:15 — Unintelligible.

09:57:55 — (Is there something?)

09:57:57 — (A fight?)

09:57:59 — (Yeah?)

09:58:33 — Unintelligible. (Let's go guys. Allah is greatest. Allah is greatest. Oh guys. Allah is greatest.)

09:58:41 — Ugh.

09:58:43 — Ugh.

09:58:44 — (Oh Allah. Oh Allah. Oh the most gracious.)

09:58:47 — Ugh. Ugh.

09:58:52 — Stay back.

09:58:55 — In the cockpit.

09:58:57 — In the cockpit.

09:58:57 — (They want to get in here. Hold, hold from the inside. Hold from the inside. Hold).

09:59:04 — Hold the door.

09:59:09 — Stop him.

09:59:11 — Sit down.

09:59:13 — Sit down.

09:59:15 — Sit down.

09:59:16 — Unintelligible.

09:59:17 — (What?)

09:59:18 — (There are some guys. All those guys.)

09:59:20 — Lets get them.

09:59:25 — Sit down.

09:59:29 — (What?)

09:59:09 — Stop him.

09:59:11 — Sit down.

09:59:13 — Sit down.

09:59:15 — Sit down.

09:59:16 — Unintelligible.

09:59:17 — (What?)

09:59:18 — (There are some guys. All those guys.)

09:59:20 — Lets get them.

09:59:25 — Sit down.

09:59:29 — (What?)

09:59:55 — Unintelligible.

09:59:58 — Ahh.

10:00:06 — (There is nothing.)

10:00:07 — (Is that it? Shall we finish it off?)

10:00:08 — (No. Not yet.)

10:00:09 — (When they all come, we finish it off.)

10:00:11 — (There is nothing.)

10:00:13 — Unintelligible.

10:00:14 — Ahh.

10:00:15 — I'm injured.

10:00:16 — Unintelligible.

10:00:21 — Ahh.

10:00:22 — (Oh Allah. Oh Allah. Oh gracious.)

10:00:25 — In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll die.

10:00:29 — (Up, down. Up, down, in the) cockpit.

10:00:33 — (The) cockpit.

10:00:37 — (Up, down. Saeed, up, down.)

10:00:42 — Roll it.

10:00:55 — Unintelligible.

10:00:59 — (Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.)

10:01:01 — Unintelligible.

10:01:08 — (Is that it? I mean, shall we pull it down?)

10:01:09 — (Yes, put it in it, and pull it down.)

10:01:10 — Unintelligible.

10:01:11 — (Saeed.)

10:01:12 — ... engine ...

10:01:13 — Unintelligible.

10:01:16 — (Cut off the oxygen.)

10:01:18 — (Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen.)

10:01:34 — Unintelligible.

10:01:37 — Unintelligible.

10:01:41 — (Up, down. Up, down.)

10:01:41 — (What?)

10:01:42 — (Up, down.)

10:01:42 — Ahh.

10:01:53 — Ahh.

10:01:54 — Unintelligible.

10:01:55 — Ahh.

10:01:59 — Shut them off.

10:02:03 — Shut them off.

10:02:14 — Go.

10:02:14 — Go.

10:02:15 — Move.

10:02:16 — Move.

10:02:17 — Turn it up.

10:02:18 — (Down, down.)

10:02:23 — (Pull it down. Pull it down.)

10:02:25 — Down. Push, push, push, push, push.

10:02:33 — (Hey. Hey. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:35 — (Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:37 — (Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me.)

10:02:40 — Unintelligible.

10:03:02 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:03 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:04 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:06 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:06 — (Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:07 — No.

10:03:09 — (Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.)

10:03:09 — (Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.)

They said Allah!! That

They said Allah!!

That prooves it!

but seriously..

has anyone found who exec956 was?

Terrence, You have to be

Terrence,
You have to be some kind of shill or there'd be no point in your coming here. Right? Whats your point in coming here?

As for the "Flt 93 tapes" being played at the Moussaoui trial, well, they certainly will not change any minds BACK to believing the official version any more than one could go back to believing in the Easter Bunny.

shouldn't we all just start

shouldn't we all just start going door to door like those chinese menus or pizza places and put a flyer on people's banisters and porches or near their welcome mats?

what i mean it...

STOP SINGING IT
START BRINGING IT

Interesting 9/11 Inside Job

Great suggestion, DHS. And

Great suggestion, DHS. And 9/11 flyers added inside Sunday newspapers too.

shouldn't we all just start

shouldn't we all just start going door to door like those chinese menus or pizza places and put a flyer on people's banisters and porches or near their welcome mats?

what i mean it...

STOP SINGING IT
START BRINGING IT
DHS | Homepage | 04.12.06 - 6:29 pm | #

you know DHS that is an idea i never thought of...it is even better than tagging windshields with flyers

i looked into the prices for

i looked into the prices for putting flyers in sunday papers.. you can buy them for i think $150-$250 per thousand in the AJC..

I'd do that once a month

I'd do that once a month without a problem.

We should pool our money and target areas we think would be the best to hit.

Hey, I'm just trolling

Hey, I'm just trolling through and couldn't help but notice {not that it's important, but still) that nobody called that dim bulb disinfo Terrance on the obvious: his delay in responding was just enough to avoid answering the question regarding Op Northwoods. Nice misdirect...can't believe this crowd allowed him to dodge that. Carry on...

Disinfo agents dodge the

Disinfo agents dodge the difficult issues here just like the 9/11 Commission did in their so-called report.

I think the root of your

I think the root of your problem is you started from your desired conclusion -- US Govt complicity in the attacks -- and then search for any scrap of info to support your conclusion.
Terrence | Homepage | 04.12.06 - 4:51 pm | #

I think the root of your problem is you started from your desired conclusion -- no US Govt (or mole) complicity in the attacks -- and then search for any scrap of info to support your conclusion.

4-14-06?

4-14-06?