Corporate Media Willfully Ignores Charlie Sheen's Challenge

Rumor has it, Alex Jones has some big news this weekend. After today's strikeout, that would be nice!!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/130406willfullyignores.htm

The London Observer carried an article in this week's edition by movie critic Mark Kermode which again wholesale refused to address any of the evidence that Charlie Sheen had raised to clarify his stance on 9/11.

Charlie Sheen is an actor who has exhaustively researched 9/11. Mark Kermode is a movie critic who, judging from his pathetic hit piece, has swallowed without question what the US government told him happened on 9/11 without one iota of independent investigation.

Kermode alludes to the tired old argument that believing the government was involved in the attack enables people to sleep better at night because it brings a sense of order to a chaotic world.
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"The real reason people believe in such wild conspiracies is simple - it's more reassuring. In the case of 9/11, there is something perversely comforting about the idea that, behind all the chaos, the American government was always in control, carefully orchestrating the events of that terrible day."

Let's flip this around.

The real reason people believe whatever the government says is simple - it's more reassuring. In the case of 9/11, there is something comforting about the idea that, behind all the chaos, Muslims from other countries that our government can find and destroy were carefully orchestrating the events of that terrible day.

Which is more frightening? The enemy that you can see or an unknown enemy lurking in the darkness?

Which is more frightening? A rag tag group of Muslims from a far away land? Or a huge, hulking, powerful military-industrial complex with the world's most potent army behind it?
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Screw the MSM, Stephanie

Screw the MSM, Stephanie Miller had Ed Asner on her show today and they talked in depth about 911.

so, what did they talk

so, what did they talk about?

Very nice, GeorgeWashington,

Very nice, GeorgeWashington, thanks!

Mostly the WTC colapses,

Mostly the WTC colapses, they stated that building 7 was clearly a controlled demolition. They talked about who was in charge of building security. They also talked about CNN wussing out. I think you can listen to it at her shows website.

Anyone have a copy of the

Anyone have a copy of the Asner interview?

Jack Beacon And Chip Berlet

Jack Beacon And Chip Berlet Debate 9/11 - Audio Inside

dz.. sbg... please post this. Can't handle the bandwidth... and also, if you do it before I wake up, please use your editing powers on my board to change the links accordingly.

Thank you.

Could Charlie have been any

Could Charlie have been any less interested in that new line of children's clothing he's pushing? I could tell right off the bat that Ellen wasn't about to turn off the switch on that happy-happy audience.

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but eveyone else thinks I'm an asshole

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i'm going to rise from the dead on Sunday.

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my mother was a virgin when i was born

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Who is Stephanie Miller and

Who is Stephanie Miller and how can I see/hear this Ed Asner interview?

CROSSPOSTED: Yes! Jimmy

CROSSPOSTED:

Yes!

Jimmy Kimmel shoots...
... and scores!

He brought up Sheen's 911 activism during the interview and treated it respectfully. The audience responded in such a way that Sheen waved & thanked them. Heck, even if it was an applause track it was going on our favor.

Sheen mentioned that he'd done research but gave credit to all the engineers physicists & scholars that have already spoken. Kimmel prompted that the government had been lying (in the form of a question). And Sheen rounded out with saying we should have a god given right to ask questions. Also "don't believe me, do your own research".
manhattanite | Homepage | 04.15.06 - 1:01 am |

been out of town and out of

been out of town and out of media for the past few days, what was today's "strikeout"?

OH CRAP! I caught the latter

OH CRAP! I caught the latter part of the interview---with the Purdue students. I got home too late! I hope someone links the clip!!!!
That is great news--I am glad to hear Kimmel brought it up--soooo glad, maybe other interviewers will in the future. Thanks for posting that comment!

been out of town and out of

been out of town and out of media for the past few days, what was today's "strikeout"?
emptyground | 04.15.06 - 1:33 am |

Referring to Sheen on the Ellen DeGeneres Show ... no mention of 9/11... but I hear they mentioned something about "a topic they could not discuss."

I think the strikeout was

I think the strikeout was about the Ellen show in which 911 was not mentioned.

i caught that too, that

i caught that too, that there was something that couldn't be mentioned nd they both looked at each other kinda like they wantd to but couldn't.

Charlie mentioned WTC7 and

Charlie mentioned WTC7 and the 5 Pentagon frames as two obvious questions. Glad to see today wasnt a wash. The rest of the interview is coming on now (Im in Chicago-ish)

I thought is was good.

I thought is was good. Certainly number 7 is a strong starting point. But the bottom line is that someone mentioned 9/11 truth on one of the main broadcast networks. I'd even buy some of his childrens clothing line for my little niece.

After this Ellen show fiasco

After this Ellen show fiasco I think perhaps Sheen is no longer going to be the momentum, something else has to take over. I think the Loose Change film that will open to 300 theaters in September is a good transition, but way too long a wait.

I think what Ellen and

I think what Ellen and Charlie couldn't talk about was promo clip and the second half of the scene from Scary Movie that they were showing. Ellen showed a scene where Charlie consumes a bottle of viagra and the clip ended there. But the full clip distributed by the studio included what happened next which is apparently an epic battle between Sheen and his enourmous erection. (Dished knocked of tables, knocking over chairs, kinda funny if you like that type of thing.) Ellen is a very G-rated program.

Umm, I don't get that

Umm, I don't get that feeling about Sheen. The better his career the better for us. We have to be realistic, the man has work to do and he is in business with others--he can't just talk about that whenever if he is working and restricted. I feel pleased that when he is able to speak his mind, he does & will continue to. It is obviously something he is very concerned about, but it is not his entire life. Besides, he opened the door, he is not responsible for carrying the tourch but he is continuing to do his part in a big way. I am very grateful for that.

Loose Change in theaters --that is great, all of this is good, we have to look all over for the various ways we can get this out there. Get people to question it.

I really hope to see the Kimmel interview.

Just a heads up ... not sure

Just a heads up ... not sure of the intent yet... but on the next Pearl Jam album due out in May ... there is a track called INSIDE JOB. Not sure if this is 9/11 related, but they don't hesitate to speak their mind... so we shall see.... or hear rather...

" I think the Loose Change

" I think the Loose Change film that will open to 300 theaters in September is a good transition"

i wish the makers of loose change would cut out the flight 93 secret landing, missle pentagon parts, and the "flashes" when the planes hit the building. If they cut all of this unecessary red herring stuff out, it would be an excellent way to carry across the 911 truth message. I just have to realize most people will be turned off (including myself) by some of their rediculous and speculative claims in the movie. I'd honestly rather see Aftermath: unanswered questions from 9/11 be played in 300 theatres, it leans more in the lihop direction admittedly, but at least it wont turn off most unknowing people within the first 10 minutes of viewing.

Are there any sheep-dogs out

Are there any sheep-dogs out tonight? The wolves just need 30 minutes. If not why not?

1. Saw the Kimmel interview.

1. Saw the Kimmel interview. Very very respectful. It was short but simply made a point that its not unpatriotic to ask questions. Hopefully there'll be a lot of people just veggin' out watching Kimmel going 'ya know, I have some questions too'.

2. Wow...well Alex Jones did say it was one of the biggest musical acts on the planet, and Eddier Vedder is no stranger to speaking his mind. That would be huge if they got on the 9/11 Truth train. Of course, we could never expect U2 to get on board...he was bandied about as being the next head of the World Bank.

3. Yeah, it saddens me how much of Loose Change is blatantly false and made up:
the pentagon missle theory
the pod/flash theory
the cell phone theory
the plane swap theory
the 'fake' Osama tape theory

Loved the Hunter S Thompson opening and the look of the doc, but those 5 main points I believe are totally false.

Yet another big time

Yet another big time celebrity joins the 9/11 Truth movement: my favorite director, David Lynch:
http://blog.davidlynch.com:16080/weblog/dl/IQ29-11/

Makes ya wonder, just HOW many people in hollywood and well known people are right alongside Charlie Sheen in asking questions?

"the 'fake' Osama tape

"the 'fake' Osama tape theory"

definitly one of the most untalked about red herrings of the 9/11 truth movement. While its obvious bin laden was a paid cia agent for some times, its also obvious that it was him on the tape that people claim is a fake.

most of the stuff on this webpage is bs but i found this very revealing -
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Dec13VideoOsama.jpg
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Dec13VideoOsama.jpg

if thats not the same "osama" we've seen in all other videos then call me an idiot because from my perspective it looks 100% like him.

http://www.911myths.com/asset

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/tapebinladen.jpg

this picture almost looks like someone used photoshop sharpen to distort the image to prove their case. I wish more people in the 9/11 truth movement would do their own research first before jumping on the bandwagon of blatantly false claims.

im beginning to think that

im beginning to think that the makers of http://www.911inplanesite.com/ are one of the biggest spreaders of disinfo in the entire 9/11 truth movement. Its obvious to me that this movie influenced a lot of loose change's poorly structured speculation. Is it possible the guy from 911 in plane site is purposefully spreading disinfo?

The most optimistic version

The most optimistic version of events is always NOT the conspiracy. Naturally because a conspiracy involves many liars instead of just a few evildoers.

Just think of JFK: What's more frightening, a lone assassin Mr Oswald or the whole CIA being so out of control it assassinates America's elected leader?

The fact that the media brought this "psychology" argument up i think shows that they PRECISELY based the 9/11 coup on THIS VERY PSYCHOLOGY!:
that people do generally NOT believe in conspiracies. Just think of O.J. Simpson: it WAS a police conspiracy to frame him (i've done my homework on this one, trust me), but it's of course more optimistic to believe only one black guy "went mad" than that you can be railroaded anytime unless you possess millions to defend yourself in court.

To put it in a nutshell, they told Bush "Stage a conspiracy, and almost for sure you will get away with it. It worked before (JFK) and it will work for us."

About Rush Limbaugh:
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This fellow really need a BLOW for his neo-con aplologies. I imagine Paul Craig Roberts challenging him on his show. In the old Clinton days Limbaugh always criticized the media for having a liberal bias. But now, that the media is absolutely pro-neocon, whether as a result of the 9/11 politics-of-fear or whether they always are pro-government, he won't ADMIT it. And for that there is only one term, Mr lying Limbag: "HIPOCRISY"

@robbie:"I wish more people

@robbie:"I wish more people in the 9/11 truth movement would do their own research first before jumping on the bandwagon of blatantly false claims."

Here are two other pics from

Here are two other pics from the "Osama" tape:

http://media.wagt.com/images/osama_bin_laden_nim.jpg
http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/images/obl/sm/obl2.jpg

Here's a pic of the real Osama:
http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/images/obl/sm/obl4.jpg

Now compare them, robbie. It ain't the same person.

Here's video of Sheen's

Here's video of Sheen's appearance on the Jimmy Kimmel show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UmxPYiP9go&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epriso...

My favorite part of LC2E is

My favorite part of LC2E is how the director chose to open up with Northwoods.

Straight to the 'Money Shot'.

Last night my wife and I went out for dinner. We went to a fairly Conservative part of town in the Plano, TX area.

My wife felt like annoying the locals, and wore her "I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR WAR, MR. BUSH" t-shirt.

As we waited for our table on the patio, a guy with lots of tats and a military shave walked up and introduced himself.

He asked my wife to "explain" her T-shirt. She began to reel off her reasons, and during the course of this, he revealed that he is a Marine.

He was very interested in hearing her point of view and agreed generally, (especially in regard to the invasion of Iraq), that "War is a Racket".

A blonde standard-issue Stepford-looking wife walked by, "I like your shirt".

It was almost surreal. Then, the Marine shocked me, "I was talking to my aunt, and she was telling me that maybe our government had a part in 9/11."

So I gave him my copy of "Loose Change 2nd Edition", which he had never heard of. He seemed intelligent enough to be able to weed out the wheat from the chafe in the video.

Doh, previous post is mine!

Doh, previous post is mine! Borrowing the wife's computer...

The Osama in the fake video

The Osama in the fake video is also a lot heavier than any other picture of bin Laden. Plus the anomalies of how they found the tape.

There are so many good points to bring up when you get a chance to discuss 9/11. I had a back and forth with a few people on a message board the other day and someone brought up the Ronkonkoma ATC tape being crushed by hand, then cut into pieces and then disposed of in different trash cans throughout the building. The pro-official version posters jumped on it and cruelly mocked the poster but its easy to find the NY Times article that says just that. Most people don't know about strange aspects of the story that are right out in the open, like the firemen claiming to have heard explosions or the fire captain who said he had a plan to put one of the WTC fires out in an hour. Most people have never seen pictures of the "Flight 93 crash site," either. But when they do, its like the New York magazine writer Mark Jacobson told A. J. Hammer on Showbiz tonight, that people are smart and sometimes they add 2 and 2 and get 15, sometimes they get 5, but sometimes they add 2 and 2 and get 4.

Bush's credibility continues to sink, with generals dissing him and - finally - some integrity and patriotism coming forth to try to stop this megalomaniac from attacking Iran.

"He seemed intelligent

"He seemed intelligent enough to be able to weed out the wheat from the chafe in the video."

Great way to put it. You don't have to solve the puzzle. The 911 Commission, its my understanding, actually altered the structure of WTC 1 and 2 to fit with their theory. Thats the difference between ordinary people and the political/media elite class: integrity. We underestimate their lack of integrity.

For Stephanie Miller just

For Stephanie Miller just google her name, she has a radio show that I think is part of the Jones radio network. I know she has her shows archived but I dont know what it takes to listen to them.

Let's go, everyone, up and

Let's go, everyone, up and out of bed.

I admit the fake Osama had

I admit the fake Osama had some uncanny resemblances of the real Osama. But I was convinced that it wasn't the real Osama in the confession tape mainly because of the differences in the size of the noses in between the two. If you look at the distance between the tip of their noses and their eyes, you'll see that the real Osama has a much longer nose. Plus the fake Osama tape came out a week after the real Osama released a video in which he denied that he had any involvement of the plot, looked very ill, white skinned and had lost a lot of weight due to his deteriorating health.

Jon, thanks for this Berlet

Jon, thanks for this Berlet mp3

Chip Berlet appeared on democracynow.org in May 2004 as counterpoint to David Ray Griffin. It's been awhile, but I recall studying Chip Berlet's rebuttal and being hugely unimpressed. In this mp3 of Mr. Berlet taking audience questions, he seems sincere, and has a good range of knowledge, except on the details and questions of 9/11. He displays a knowledge of the 9/11 questions that has not been updated in awhile; he relies on the hobby magazine Popular Mechanics article to round out the gaping holes of the OCT, and he tends to drift off into the history of conspiracy theories in answer to the tougher questions from the audience. He agrees that we are dangerously closer to tyranny than ever before, but his approach to 9/11 skepticism seems overly based on his experience studying "conspiracy theory" in general. I recommend this one-hour mp3 for a reminder of how formidable the bulk of our questions are, and for a glimpse into the passion and good work of our Colorado brethren.
http://colorado911.info/

I'm sorry... you have to be

I'm sorry... you have to be a pretty big piece of masonite to not see that the Osama video is faked. It's so pooryl faked that I'm starting to wonder if it was done so badly on purpose.

And all this after our military just happened to find a video tape in a house in Kandahar with the absolute proof that the government's story checks out? Oy...

Btw, I have some beachfront property in New Orleans for sale.

Btw, this is something I've

Btw, this is something I've been doing, if anyone else wants to join in.

I fly a lot in my job, and every time I do, I leave a DVD copy of Loose Change in the seat pocket in front of me. Sometimes in a few seat pockets.

I just noticed that they rarely clean out those pockets unless it's something large and bulky.

Hey pockybot - Do you have

Hey pockybot - Do you have any links to Alex Jones talking about a band getting ready to come forward about 9/11?

Thanks.

@Justanidea: Not off hand,

@Justanidea:

Not off hand, but in various Charlie Sheen articles on infowars and prisonplanet(when the story first broke) he says one of the most famous musical artists will be openly joining the 9/11 truth band wagon. Some people have speculated it may be Pearl Jam, due to the anti war songs from their upcoming album, as well as their upcomign song 'Inside Job'. Wouldnt be surprised.
Alex Jones said he has a 9/11 bombshell this weekend.

i think everybody here who

i think everybody here who thinks that osama video is faked is missing a key issue..... When did Osama stop working for the CIA. IF we are to believe la figuero, he was visited by the CIA in an american hospital in Dubai as late as August 2001.

So why is it so unbelievable for people in here to think he would make a video to add more creedence to the official story?

Do you think he is a real terrorist mastermind? From the way you guys talk about him it appears that way to me.

Even in Loose change they made some contradictory statements about this. If Osama is indeed an actor or a mole working for the US government, why the need to make a fake video tape?

Of course the circumstances of how they found the tape is rediculous, but why on earth are you guys so attatched to thinking that video is faked or a double of osama? IF he is working for us, why does it even matter at all if it was a double or actually him (which is pretty unbelievable as it is). Webster Tarpley has a whole chapter about this in Synthetic Terror.
Have you seen the video in full? His nose, at least to me looks exactly the same as bin laden in almost every other video ive seen. However that one still everybody keeps showing has a fat nose, and its obviously been sharpened in photoshop to prove someones case. When you sharpen an already grainy low resolution picture, you are going to get drastic differences.

John, what is your take on this? So far i havent heard much from you on the "fake" bin laden tape.

"http://media.wagt.com/images

"http://media.wagt.com/images/ osa...n_laden_nim.jpg
http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/imag...obl/sm/ obl2.jpg

Here's a pic of the real Osama:
http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/imag...obl/sm/ obl4.jpg

Now compare them, robbie. It ain't the same person."

looks pretty similar to me.... im not sure why everybody is so positive its not... and once again why would it matter if it was a double as you guys keep claiming. If Osama is a CIA agent and he is helping us promote this false myth, why would they bother faking a tape like this (when it isnt actually a confession at all in reality, he is very vague about the 9/11 connection)

I dont think they look the

I dont think they look the same Robbie but I guess its a matter of opinion. What about the gold jewelry and him being left handed but signing a letter with his right i.e. Loosechange? Is there any truth to this or is it a fabrication??

pockybot - Cool, thanks for

pockybot - Cool, thanks for the response. I'm looking forward to seeing who it is.

I dont think they look the

I dont think they look the same Robbie but I guess its a matter of opinion. What about the gold jewelry and him being left handed but signing a letter with his right i.e. Loosechange? Is there any truth to this or is it a fabrication??
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Absolutely true, it's from his FBI dossier. Documented since the mid-90's.

"Absolutely true, it's from

"Absolutely true, it's from his FBI dossier. Documented since the mid-90's."

if you guyes distrust the government like i do and assume bin laden might still be a cia assets, who's to say this information is correct or accurate? Couldnt he be ambidextorus?

bin laden is shown wearing a ring in 2 other videos i have seen where it is indisputably him. Check 911myths.com if you need confirmation of this go to the "bin laden" Section. (pic here - http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/story.obl.righthand.jpg)

http://www.911myths.com/asset

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/story.obl.righthand.jpg
(messed up the link above, click here)

is this not bin laden?

and does this look like a bin laden impersonator -

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Dec13VideoOsama.jpg
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Dec13PentagonOsama.jpg

to me this indisuputably is the person we've come to understand is Bin Laden.

Like I said....... fuck the

Like I said....... fuck the FBI dossier and rings..... anyone who thinks those are the same guy is a piece of Samsonite. Or Masonite. Take your pick.

And fuck 911myths. For bin

And fuck 911myths.

For bin Laden, they cherry-picked 3 images where he doesn't QUITE look TOO dissimilar to the real bin Laden, but it still isn't him.

I guarantee that's a government sponsored shill site. All they want to do is throw just enough doubt on things to discourage the Movement. They suck.

hey pockybot, help me out

hey pockybot, help me out here. You say these are all false:

the pentagon missile theory
the pod/flash theory
the cell phone theory
the plane swap theory
the 'fake' Osama tape theory

Why?

The Osama tape is fake. I'm a statistician and I can tell you that you can work out with a high degree of mathematical certainty whether two faces are the same based on key facial measurements. - ear lobe to nose, eye span etc. It's done all the time in police forensics, anthroplogy etc. Now I don't need to do the maths here. Key facial components -eg nose length - just don't match up. The guy is NOT Osama.Plus you have video shots prior to the 'confession' video and subsequent to it that show the real Osama. The changes are too noticeable.

We might also add that in the transcripts of OSBL interviews around this time he never says that he actually did 9/11, just that he applauds the 9/11 terrorists. So the text of the 'confession' video stands out like a sore thumb. (Plus we have his denial of involvement immediately following 9/11).

The confession video is fake.

the pentagon missile theory doesn't hold up according to you. I agree that witness statements don't support this. But those explosive holes in the concentric Pentagon rings certainly weren't caused by the nosecone nor, do I believe, by an engine. The best fit of the physical evidence re the rings is a missile. I'm not happy with that, but there you go.

the cell phone theory As I recall, at least some of the phone calls on 9/11 flights were made from cell phones and the evidence is those phone calls could NOT have been made. The Russ Wittenberg interview is a very interesting read about this and other flight issues.(link)

the plane swap theory I haven't followed this too closely but there would seem to be a lot of unanswered questions in that one (Cleveland etc). I think this is an open question and a very fair one to consider.

the pod/flash theory. I'm not convinced about pods or flashes. (But it's ok if othe people think there is something there worth examining).I think more focus should be put on the demolitions claims.

If you have any links to the above items that prove your case then please post them.

Cheers.

From wher I stand there is

From wher I stand there is a lot of negativity going out about LC2E. I don't agree with every detail of the film and their mix of speculation and fact but I think we should thank God that the film is such a runaway hit, particularly with a young audience.
Those guys have caught the public imagination. It's hard on all the other film makers who feel overlooked. but hat's just tough shit.

We spend too much energy talking abot disinfo: so-and-so is a disinfo merchant . etc. Let's concentrate on what we all agree . Charlie Sheen is right - building 7 and the five frames from the Pentagon.
And if they really have footage of a 757 which they have been holding back, well, we deal with that when it happens.

Chip killed Jack in the

Chip killed Jack in the debate. Jack sounded totally unprepared to effectively counter Chips arguments even though he had better ammunition to work with. Plane and simple he got embarrased! The 9/11 movement need to present better debater in the future.