911TruthSeekers.org Post 2 New 9/11 Media Clips

Just got an email from Brian over at 911truthseekers.org regarding two new media downloads they have available.

BYU Professor Steven Jones Gives Update On 9/11 Research

Professor Steven E. Jones spoke in Provo to a group of about 50 people on April 6, 2006. He gave the audience an update of his 9/11 research. One interesting point he mentioned is a video of the South Tower that shows what looks like yellow/white hot molten metal, which could possibly be thermite or thermate (used in explosives). Download the DIVX video file by clicking on the picture below:

Creators of 9/11 Documentary Loose Change on Air America

Korey Rowe, Dylan Avery & Jason Bermas, The creators of the famous 9/11 Documentary, Loose Change, were on Air America Phoenix April 15th with talk show host Fred McChesney. Click the image below to download an mp3 recording of that segment of the show...

Be sure to head on over and check out their new media!

Note: 911podcasts.com mirrors available here and here.

a massive war for

a massive war for israel

thats why 9-11 happened

zero ZERO israeli troops in this war on terror

once you wake up to the fact

once you wake up to the fact that evil jews run the government and media, the 9-11 war crimes make alot of sense

torture
wire taps
patriot act
pat tilman
plame gate

etc etc etc

i have yet to see anyone hear name names

like pearle
like cohen
like wolfowitz
like sharon
like ron silver actor who sold out
like zell miller

the music plays the band

911Blimp has taken a new

911Blimp has taken a new tack in their disinfo divide/conquer provocateuring. Direct email, using email addys they presumably got from FBI/NSA/whoever else cares to eavesdrop on these sorts of dialogs.

I'm on an email list of one of the regional 911 truth groups. For the couple years I've been on the list, all email has come from ONE person, with announcements or latest news etc. The full email list is not visible on these emails, IE any recipient only knows the email of the sender, not all the other recipients. This morning I have an email from "Dave/911Blimp" with a couple paragraphs saying why I shouldn't trust Michael Wolsey, he's disinfo, he seeks to wedge, blah blah. 911Blimp is upset that Wolsey discounts "no-planers" like Blimp. Good, so do I. Regardless, I'll be curious if anyone else is getting Blimp's divide/conquer spew direct in their email box, that is, if you're on any 911 Truth related email lists.

However 911Blimp got ahold of my email (I've never had any contact with their site), further unsolicited divide/conquer/disinfo spam from him/them is positively UNWELCOME!

He who shouts "shill" the

He who shouts "shill" the loudest, should be scrutinized the longest.

Hey, Anonymous, stop the

Hey, Anonymous, stop the anti-Semitic divide & conquer tactics. Most Jewish people arenÂ’t fanatical Zionists nor NeoCons.

http://www.time.com/time/nati

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1183242,00.html

Negroponte also told TIME that three dozen or so of the worst al-Qaeda terrorists held in secret CIA prisons are likely to remain in captivity as long as the "war on terror continues." He added, "These people are being held. And they're bad actors. And as long as this situation continues, this war on terror continues, I'm not sure I can tell you what the ultimate disposition of those detainees will be." Negroponte's comments appear to be the first open acknowledgement of the secret U.S. detention system and the fact that captives such as Khalid Shaikh Mohammad — involved in Sept. 11 or other major attacks on U.S. interests around the world — may be held indefinitely.

***

No prosecutors, no trials, no indictments, no civil rights, no real mastermind ever in the public eye.

WTF is wrong with this world, if someone as Negroponte can still play his dirty phantasy in politics more then 20 years after beeing catched red handes for death squads?

http://www.ww4report.com/negropontedeathsquad

Cold fusion energy pioneer

Cold fusion energy pioneer Steven E. Jones is a complete kook.

BobCousins at peakoil.com pointed out that Jones had also written a paper called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America"

In it he shows old Mayan figurines of gods showing their palms cupped outward, ala Jesus Christ. From this he makes some wild claims, which you can guess from the title. (I think it proves that either the Mayans: came from a long line of beggars, they had endured quite a dry spell, or they invented silicone breast implants)

I have tracked down all his papers:

"Observation of Cold Nuclear Fusion in Condensed Matter"

"Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America"

"Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse?

"Did Christ bomb the WTC?"

"Evidence that WTC buildings spontaneously fused"

"Osama visited the Pentagon and left a floater in the executive washroom"

"Watching my scientific reputation collapse" Regnery Press, pre-publication

"Why won't anyone listen to me? What would JC do?"

Thanks 911truthseekers.org

Thanks 911truthseekers.org for these.

Warning about the filesizes

Warning about the filesizes on those:
Video is 256 MB
Audio is 24 MB

I'll watch the video once I free up some HD space.

Thanks 911truthseekers.

Cool... Professor Jones

Cool... Professor Jones mentions the Curt Weldon Town Hall meeting.

Terrence: Isaac Newton wrote

Terrence: Isaac Newton wrote extensively on alchemy. That must mean that everything else he wrote is kooky.

You're funny.

Sure, no explosives in the

Sure, no explosives in the WTC towers. Then why are the towers expanding & "mushrooming" in these photos???
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/wtc/soldier0.htm

"9/11 Mastermind" To Be Held

The problem with JonesÂ’

The problem with JonesÂ’ other work, particularly "Beyond These Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America" (which can be read here: http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext%20and%20figure...) is that it is a classic case of starting with a conclusion (that Jesus visited America as told in the Book of Mormon) and then seeking to find evidence to support it (like in the hand positions in ancient Mayan art.) This is not good. Newton may have chosen to address unorthodox topics, but he always adhered to the scientific method.

He has the potential to be a serious liability to 9/11 truth. If his conclusions are valid others with out this Achilles heel will confirm them.

In case it isn't obvious,

In case it isn't obvious, most of what Terrence wrote above is completely false, and he's the kooky one.

It should be acknowledged that Steven Jones is a Mormon, and many of his evidence sessions are given to groups that are predominantly Mormon. I actually think it's cool that he uses examples from the Book of Mormon about how "false flag operations" were going on even way back then and how he feels supported in his cause because of the example of people doing similar things in the book.

If you are a person who believes that if you are religious you're automatically a kook, or for that matter if you do anything else in your life that isn't completely mainstream that you're a kook, I think you should open your mind.

I believe that most people in the truth movement do not fall into this category of people, as we wouldn't have been open to the truth about 9/11 if we were as closed-minded as Terrence.

Does anybody know what the

Does anybody know what the supposed "big news" is for this weekend that Alex Jones was talking about? I haven't seen anything.

Hey darryl... which of us

Hey darryl... which of us doesn't have "skeletons in the closet"? None of us are professional politiicians that have a media behind us to help us shape our image. We're just regular people trying to make a difference. Why don't you listen to the message instead of trying to kill the messenger?

If you have problems

If you have problems scientifically with what Professor Jones is saying, then call for a public debate between those who you consider to be experts, and those we consider to be experts, and let's see who's right.

Of course, if they would

Of course, if they would allow Professor Jones access to the metal sitting in JFK airport, we could possibly end the debate.

Jon - I'm down with the

Jon - I'm down with the message. I'm just saying we have a flawed messanger.

...and sometimes defending

...and sometimes defending the messenger takes our time away from defending the message.

Hilarious comic regarding

Hilarious comic regarding Doug's rescinded article.

More ad homium bullshit from

More ad homium bullshit from Terrance.

If you can't deal with the message, destroy the messenger.

Typical action of the desperate.

Jon - I'm down with the

Jon - I'm down with the message. I'm just saying we have a flawed messanger.
darryl

I tried calling Jesus Christ but, he's a little busy trying to fight the war on Easter. :+:

"Jon - I'm down with the

"Jon - I'm down with the message. I'm just saying we have a flawed messanger."

If Professor Jones is flawed, then so is Dr. Griffin, Jeff King, Jim Hoffman, Don Paul, etc... etc...

What I find interesting is that you don't recognize that A LOT of fact finding is based on theory.

How many discoveries have been made because of "Science Fiction"?

The writers of Flash Gordon had an idea, and wrote it down in a book.

Scientists took that idea, and made it reality, and now we have NASA.

What you call a flawed message, I call a good imagination.

Someone who can see outside the box, which incidentally, the 9/11 Commission couldn't do.

You tell us Osama Bin Laden was responsible for it, ok, we'll promote that story. You tell us that fire brought down the buildings, ok, we'll promote that story. And so on, and so on....

With Jones, we're not

With Jones, we're not talking extra marital affair or some such thing, we're talking about basic scientific methodology... And I don't want to knock a guy who's fighting the good fight... But it just seems like a problem that will bite back in the future. But, if no one else sees a problem there then so be it.

Also, scientific discovery

Also, scientific discovery is one thing, criminal investigation is something else altogether. And that's part of the problem. What works in one milieu may not work in the other. In the justice system facts have to speak for themselves.

...and I see 9/11 truth as a

...and I see 9/11 truth as a criminal investigation...

darryl, I don't see any

darryl, I don't see any connection between Jones' religious research & his 9/11 physics research. You're really stretching things here.

"What I find interesting is

"What I find interesting is that you don't recognize that A LOT of fact finding is based on theory."

Jones doesn't have any theories just facts. He made it clear that he's done all the research.

Hey if everyone 'flags'

Hey if everyone 'flags' Terrence's "blog" enough times, we can probably get it pulled off eblogger. Just use the toolbar at the top; select the "flag" button. :+:

I wish dz would release the ip's of all these anon's, 20 to 1 they are all Terrence.

Wow, thanks for the anti

Wow, thanks for the anti semetic remarks at the top. I'm sure that's really helping the 9/11 truth cause. Why not talk about bigfoot UFO holograms and pods too?

People with a Protocols of Learned Elders of Zion fixation are maybe perhaps in the wrong movement.

Btw, am I the only one that while respecting the Loose Change guys and applauding the effort, feel Loose Change is mostly wrong? While Im happy to see its popularity, to me it s awork of fantasy and may be doing more harm that good. It galvanizes some, but makes the majority laugh at us. I think Aftermath: Unanswered Questions About 9/11 is a much much more pragmatic documentary, and that came out 3 years ago.

feel Loose Change is mostly

feel Loose Change is mostly wrong

pockybot... care to elaborate...

Thanks

Terrence plagiarized his

Terrence plagiarized his list from this page:

http://nowscape.com/fusion/cold-fusion_Steven_E_Jones_9-11_links.htm

Some of those papers in the

Some of those papers in the list are only mentioned in that list he plagiarized, and may not even really exist.

Terrence obviously needs some better fact-checking, and less plagiarization in his posts.

"Does anybody know what the

"Does anybody know what the supposed "big news" is for this weekend that Alex Jones was talking about? I haven't seen anything."

I heard something big was coming this weekend, but haven't seen nothing yet unfortunately...

"Terrence plagiarized his

"Terrence plagiarized his list from this page"

Damn..I thought we had someone funny there.

0/10 Terrence, must try harder

:)

darryl, Jones stated the

darryl, Jones stated the following in the link you provided:

"So I began a search with the following hypothesis-to be tested: Ancient artwork portraying a deity with deliberate markings on his hands will be found somewhere in the Americas. A crazy idea, maybe - but wait till you see the artwork of the ancient Maya!"

Seems like basic religious/historical research to me.

You seem to be saying that anyone who is religious is automatically invalidated as a scientist. I think history proves you wrong.

Most of the papers in that

Most of the papers in that list are an attempt to make Jones look like a kook and don't exist, as should be obvious to anyone who actually read their names. I'm not sure that the fact that Jones coined the term "cold fusion" and has done a bunch of research on that topic makes him anything other than a good scientist.

His Mormon studies might be seen as a bit weird to some, but he does work at a Mormon college, so that's to be expected. His cold fusion research just adds credence to his ability in the field of physics.

pockybot: You're a lot like

pockybot: You're a lot like that 911Blimp guy. You state a few reasonable facts, but then you digress into bashing the truth movement one way or another. Are you disinfo too?

I am definately NOT saying

I am definately NOT saying that anyone who is religious is automatically invalidated as a scientist. I'm also not going to post the same points twice...

That's good, darryl, because

That's good, darryl, because you point was moot.

"Btw, am I the only one that

"Btw, am I the only one that while respecting the Loose Change guys and applauding the effort, feel Loose Change is mostly wrong? While Im happy to see its popularity, to me it s awork of fantasy and may be doing more harm that good. It galvanizes some, but makes the majority laugh at us. I think Aftermath: Unanswered Questions About 9/11 is a much much more pragmatic documentary, and that came out 3 years ago."

i 100% agree with you, sadly though a good number of people in the 911 truth movement religiously believe certain aspects of it and blindly follow almost every strand of evidence in Loose Change. To me while these people help raise questions, they almost negate their own efforts by repeating and regurgitating blatant speculation as if it is infallable fact. Aftermath is a much better documentary and Loose change was highly influenced by its style and music.

Loose change is helping spread the message true, but its also making a good number of 911 truthers look like drooling idiots (sorry but its true)

How so, robbie?

How so, robbie?

Bunch of real winners here

Bunch of real winners here tonight, Terrence, pockybot, darryl. All we need now is S. King.

"You're a lot like that

"You're a lot like that 911Blimp guy. You state a few reasonable facts, but then you digress into bashing the truth movement one way or another. Are you disinfo too?"

you sound like one of those republicans who says "Dont like our country... then move"

do you realize how sad that is?

you dont have to agree with 100% of the 911 truth movement to be involved in it. People who do believe in 100% of the movement are blind followers of a faith , and eerily similar to the blind followers of the official story.

it pains me to see us fight like this, but it pains me more to see people claiming Loose Change, In plane site, Painful Questions, Illuminazi, and Martial law is presenting all infallable information.

id really like to see Gold's

id really like to see Gold's opinion on this, he hasnt chimed in yet ;-)

" How so, robbie?" by

" How so, robbie?"

by focusing in on rediculous and outrageous claims made by the 911 movie producers.

ive stated it before

-the flashes
-pentagon getting hit by a missle
-secret flight 93 landing
-voice morphing

and the others loose change doesnt mention

-Bush and Cheney engineered it
-holograms
-planes with no windows

to me this is all as alex jones would put it "a turd in the punch bowl". Extreme speculation mixed in with very good and convincing proof.

Where is Jon Gold when we

Where is Jon Gold when we need him?

I definitely agree that we

I definitely agree that we need to be careful which theories we attach ourselves to. There's a reason why it's called the "9/11 truth" movement, not the "anti-official 9/11 story" movement. If we attach ourselves to false theories, we're just as bad the Bush administration.

I think speculation is fine and can be constructive, but our goal should be this and only this: Find and spread evidence that the official story is wrong, and seek for an independent investigation. There isn't room anywhere in this movement for any of us to have pet theories that we subscribe to.

to make my point

to make my point short:

there is SO much convincing proof that can be backed up by a lexus nexus news search alone that these 911 movie producers shouldnt need to resort to extreme speculation ON TOP of these already provable anomolies.

When they do that i feel like they are just preeching to the choir. Somebody needs to make a 911 movie for the hardened official story believer. But i do respect the makers of loose change a lot, i cant fault them for how well the movie has been recieved. IT has become a cult hit among young people and i really thank them for that. I just hope it doesnt backfire on all of us, especially after hearing Korey's poor debating skills on Opie and Anthony.

"Bunch of real winners here

"Bunch of real winners here tonight, Terrence, pockybot, darryl. All we need now is S. King."

To be spoken of in the same sentance as Terrence, you could have just as well questioned my mother's chastity.

Lot's of people, like myself, come here with questions because we don't believe the official story. That doesn't mean we won't also question the alternatives. Perhaps you feel you need to avoid showing any weaknesses or something to that effect but the result is that we see bickering and name-calling and a close-mindedness just within the believers themselves, not to mention what happens when an intellectual drunkard like Terrance starts mouthing off.

It's unfortunate. Hopefully you guys are not representative of those people who will need to go out and convince average Americans of the truth about 9/11.

9/11 Revisited is the most

9/11 Revisited is the most solid movie I've seen on the topic. 9/11 Eyewitness is valuable as well, though I don't know if the helicopters are as signicant as the video makes them seem.

Loose Change has a whole lot of speculation. But it is a good way to spread the overview of all issues related to 9/11 to a younger crowd (the ones who are more likely to spread it around the web).

I'd love to see a middle ground that covers the whole thing like Dylan or Alex Jones, but without the questionable stuff.

If were suppose to beleive

If were suppose to beleive WTC7 collapsed due to damage from the falling towers why didnt the North Tower collapse rite when the South Tower collapsed. It had already been hit by an airplane so if this was so significant why wouldnt a 100+ story building rite next to it collapseing not affect it immidiately. Just as the case of watching the planes fly into these buildings at hundreds of miles per hour the Towers demonstrated they were BAD ASS MO-FOS. Forget about it!

Loose Change is a superb

Loose Change is a superb documentary... and at a guess is about 100% more accurate than the official conspiracy theory.

It may have a couple of mistakes, but the positives far outweigh any negatives.

LC2E has reached out to the masses and encourages the viewer to question the official story.

I would ask anyone who offers trivial criticisms, what have they done to expose the falsehoods from 9/11.

FYI - Loose change has 3 positions in the top 100 most popular videos on Google.

http://video.google.com/videoranking

I think Dylan and the guys deserve much more credit than the above negative troll-like comments suggest.

Remember all they are asking is for a full independent investigation and if necessary justice for the thousands murdered on 9/11 and the many thousands killed as a direct result.

Cheers

"I would ask anyone who

"I would ask anyone who offers trivial criticisms, what have they done to expose the falsehoods from 9/11."

Ok this is just stupid. Loose Change is a great movie and is what introduced me to the movement (the 1st edition). However, it does pass speculation off as fact in many cases, and is certainly not exhaustive in its research. We need to accept it for what it is, and what it isn't.

To say "anyone who hasn't made their own video can't criticize Loose Change" is the same things as saying "Anyone who hasn't been president can't criticize Bush." This is one of the most common, and most idiotic, of arguments, and no one should ever use it.

What I was saying... Is that

What I was saying...

Is that talk is cheap... nothing to do with making videos etc.

Anyone with a genuine quest for the 9/11 truth would not make bogus statements like...

feel Loose Change is mostly wrong? While Im happy to see its popularity, to me it s awork of fantasy and may be doing more harm that good

and

Loose change is helping spread the message true, but its also making a good number of 911 truthers look like drooling idiots

Carn... you wanna defend them be my guest... I'll stand up for what I believe :)

Cheers

Loose Change is the one I

Loose Change is the one I recommend to the under 30 crowd. 911revisited and 911eyewitness to those older.

Just listened to the Loose Change guy's interview and it's very good. They refer to another video that's damn good too:
JFK 2: The Bush Connection, which puts much of the official 9/11 bogus story into a bigger perspective. Was it Mark Twain who said: "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes."?

Great interview on Air

Great interview on Air America. Dylan and his boys are to be congratulated. I can't believe the progress we have made this past year or so. When I joined the 9/11 truth movement I didn't think we had a chance. Now we are starting to roll! Everywhere I go people are talking 9/11 truth. It is out in the open now so no matter what the neocons do, it is too late. I am praying that by next Easter trials and executions will be in the works. Keep up the good work guys and gals. As they say "Lets Roll!!"

There's not much to say. It

There's not much to say. It isn't a subjective issue. Watch the video and count for yourself how often speculation is treated as fact. Again, speculation is fine, as long as it is identified as such and not presented as fact. Either way, we shouldn't argue amongst ourselves. See my previous posts to know where I stand on things.

Hey Maddog, I have to agree,

Hey Maddog, I have to agree, I got involved about a year and half ago and the difference in that short amount of time is like night and day. We sure have come a long way...

JFK 2 was a good watch.

JFK 2 was a good watch.

King is posting comments on

King is posting comments on Terrance's site and joined the Terrance disinfo gang going after us http://ifacts.blogspot.com. It looks like we've scared the shit out of them and they're trying a desperate disinfo campaign.

That article brings up good

That article brings up good points though. If anyone in the "truth" movement believes that new evidence, no matter what it is, could possibly hurt the truth movement, they don't understand what the word "truth" means.

We seek the truth. If new (and authentic) evidence is released, it's a victory for us, even if it contradicts certain pet theories. This is one of the reasons why the truth movement shouldn't concoct theories at all.

Sorry I dont agree with the

Sorry I dont agree with the year away from the trials and executions. Id love to see it but come on now....

"Where is Jon Gold when we

"Where is Jon Gold when we need him?"

For?

Nothing Jon, same shxt

Nothing Jon, same shxt different day.

"Hey if everyone 'flags'

"Hey if everyone 'flags' Terrence's "blog" enough times, we can probably get it pulled off eblogger. Just use the toolbar at the top; select the "flag" button."

So much for free speech.

Dylan and his boys are to be

Dylan and his boys are to be congratulated. I can't believe the progress we have made this past year or so. When I joined the 9/11 truth movement I didn't think we had a chance. Now we are starting to roll! Everywhere I go people are talking 9/11 truth. It is out in the open now so no matter what the neocons do, it is too late. I am praying that by next Easter trials and executions will be in the works.
>>

Dear Maddog,
keep the faith but be prepared for the worst. These guys didn't prepare 911 for some short term goals this was ment to be a radical change for the next centuries..

So, attack on Iran before the end of 2006, add some bird flue/influenza to obfuscate the situation like in the antrax case and the 911 truth movement is finished..

There is mounting evidence that the bird flue is a offspring of government
microplasma biowarfare program. It seems to me they are just testing the mobility and patterns of the virus now. Next time, they will use the hard stuff..

Time to fly the upside-down

Time to fly the upside-down flags.

Rattle the cage.