Roop! Where ya been?

I think the defining difference between Alex Jones and Rupert is ego. Alex Jones is not in this for ego. As he's said many times he's doing this because he loves his kids. Thats something I greatly identify with as a new father. Alex is humble and obviously doesn't relish in his popularity.

Of course he's the grand-daddy of this stuff... he predicted the 9/11 attacks before they even happened!

"Of course he's the grand-daddy of this stuff... he predicted the 9/11 attacks before they even happened!"

I know what he did, and it's pretty amazing... however, during that interview, he kept repeating it as if to say to Dr. Griffin, "You're nothing compared to me"... and it urked me.

Isn't this the week for this...

http://3c.911truth.org/

Extremely slow download atm, about 4 to 5 kB/s.

Basically, Ruppert talked about the Wargames, Controlled Demolition, Peak Oil, The Economy, Fiat Currency, The Dollar, What to do...

wow, 1mb/min on a fat pipe? ouch. radio4all is dying a slow painful death. I'll have a mirror in about half an hour.

Gee, maybe because Alex Jones is not an anti semetic huckster who tries and weaves Israel into everything...he sees the new world order not as some fake "elders of learned zion" bullshit, but across all religions and races. Also, he has repeatedly talked about Mossad foreknowlege.

Now I do not agree with Alex's stance on gays, but overall Alex Jones is a hero in my book...and I cannot see how anyone could like that Michael Moore buffoon when ya got the real deal in AJ. People call himn a "conspiracy theorist", but so many things he reports ends up being later reported in the mainstream media. He should distance himself from the more conspiracy theorist fringe site people I think, as Alex Jones is way above that sort of stuff, and is more of an activist.

One of my favorite things is he is unafraid to walk up to Bush, top US officials, or say on live CNN or Cpsan what he thinks about 9/11, and in a very concise and well put together mannered. Despite how he looks, hes actually pretty young, and its good to see fiety younger people passionate about politics that are outside the box.

Oh yeah, Alex Jones is going to be in a new film called "A Scanner Darkly" this summer.

I'm not asking you specificaly. I don't listen to his shows but according to people who do, he avoids talking about Israel and the Zionists like the plague.

Was just wondering from people here who listen to him, can comfirm those accusations.

@road66:

Do you understand that the perpetrators of 9/11 were following in the steps of Hitler with the Reichstag fire. It's hillarious seeing people try and draw some shadowy "zionist occational governmant bank millitary' Jew conspiracy, when Hitler used that...and it is Hitler theyre basing the template for 9/11 on.

See it makes no sense to label 9/11 as some "Jew" conspiracy, as were about exposing the Bush regime for the post 1933 Reichstag antics, not spouting blind anti semetic rhetoric that Hitler would have loved.

If anyone knows about the dual citizenship, please clue me in on the sources, etc...

Jon, I read somewhere that Michael Chertoff & Joe Lieberman have Israeli citizenship. (Not sure where I read it, nor how important it is to 9/11.)

So i guess Ex-Zionist Benjamin Freedman is lying about everything he observed while he was part of the Zionist gang.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Freedman.html

Also take a look at Samuel Untermyer's speech.

Freedman refers to Samuel Untermyer's speech. He was the chief Zionist architect of the 1930's, and he helped create enmity toward the German Jewish community. His vitriol also helped propel America into World War 2.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Untermyer.html

Lay out the proof, and we'll go after the perpetrators whether they're Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist, pagan, Satanist, Hindu, etc, etc.

That's interesting, but currently it's Bush who perpetrated 9/11 & propelled us into Afghanistan, Iraq, & soon to be Iran & God knows where else!

Isn't it a bit convenient that all enemies of Israel are being taken care of? Add Syria to that list as well.

Maybe you should ask Rummy about this WWII/German stuff. His grandaddy is from there.

Rummy: "You go to war with the army you have." You don't expect Dick & me to provide armor for you, we're on a tight budget, damn you!

I thought this was going to be a discussion about the good interview Mike had... oh well...

Danm it, you have a discussion with what you have.... (just kidding)
Please bring us up to speed on Mike's interview, Sir.

Wasn't it Mike who said we didn't need to investigate 9-11 anymore? instead we need to focus on peak oil..yeah right.

By the way people... "Zionists" do exist... I was talking with a jewish doctor not too long ago. I went for migraines, etc... I did what I do... talk about politics, etc... and I mentioned part of the reason for being there is for the protection of Israel, and he said, "Why shouldn't they be protected? Why shouldn't they have nuclear weapons to protect them against the countries that want to see them dead?" He went on, and then I "jokingly" asked him if he was a Zionist, and he said, "You mean, do I believe in the protection of Israel? You're damn right I do."

I don't believe in the fraudulent "Protocols Of Zion". I just think there are people who are overly obsessive about the Protection of Israel, because of its' religious value, no matter the cost.

To me, it's a historical, there's no doubt about that, and there are probably several things that should be protected from harm, but it's really just a piece of dirt.

"Danm it, you have a discussion with what you have.... (just kidding)
Please bring us up to speed on Mike's interview, Sir."

It was a good, informative interview... And if you believe in "Peak Oil", it was informative for you. He touched on how he believes that those buildings were not brought down just from the impact of those planes, and why he doesn't focus on that aspect of 9/11 Truth. His reasoning is because the evidence has been removed, and if you have a match between scientists in a court room, it will become a long winded discussion, etc... he talked about what you can be doing if you believe in "Peak Oil", etc... he talked a lot about 9/11 and the wargames.

Mike Ruppert always worried me with his peak oil obsession. Peak oil (if true) could be a pretext to justify pre-emptive strikes/wars of aggression in the minds of NeoCons. (no oil = shutdown of all U.S. military & industry, chaos, famine, plagues, etc.

the damn thread is not about Zionists!

NOW STFU TROLLS.

Well, I just met with Rep. Curt Weldon, and he talked about "Peak Oil" in his presentation. It was interesting to hear it from someone in office.

When he brought it up, I nudged Dave Slesinger in the arm.

According to a recent CBS 60 Minutes segment that seems to have gone unnoticed by everyone, there is a plethora of oil to be extracted in Canadian & Western U.S. soil, and it's being done now that the price of oil is high enough to make it worthwhile.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/20/60minutes/main1225184.shtml

"There are 175 billion barrels of proven oil reserves here. ThatÂ’s second to Saudi ArabiaÂ’s 260 billion but itÂ’s only what companies can get with todayÂ’s technology."

What's the consumption of oil every 11 days on the planet? Is it 1 billion barrels every 11 days? I forget... it's been a while.

That's 33 billion barrels a year used throughout the world, and growing exponentially every year.

That's 13 years of oil.

Am I wrong on my calculations?

Of course, that doesn't include Africa, Venezuela's, etc... contribution.

I think the last estimates for the world oil supply was 2 Trillion barrels? What's the math on that... not including growth.

There are 175 billion barrels of proven oil reserves here [Alberta, Canada]. ThatÂ’s second to Saudi ArabiaÂ’s 260 billion but itÂ’s only what companies can get with todayÂ’s technology. The estimate of how many more barrels of oil are buried deeper underground is staggering.

"We know thereÂ’s much, much more there. The total estimates could be two trillion or even higher," says Clive Mather, Shell's Canada chief. "This is a very, very big resource."

Very big? ThatÂ’s eight times the amount of reserves in Saudi Arabia. The oil sands are buried under forests in Alberta that are the size of Florida. The oil here doesnÂ’t come gushing out of the sand the way it does in the Middle East. The oil is in the sand. It has to be dug up and processed.

I don't believe in Peak Oil. I believe 9/11 acted as a pretext for massive profiteering in arms/weapons sale, drugs(opium), oil, halliburton, etc that has made the Bush gang filthy rich. Theyre setting up their retirement funds by inciting wars between Iraq and Iran that could last their lifetime. Bunch of sickos.

If we had put all the $$$$ we've wasted so far on the Afghanistan Iraq rampages, we could be well on the road to alternative energy sources. But that's not the NeoCon way. Bush/Cheney are Texas oilmen, that's all they care about.

Well put, geggy; well put.

I believe the idea of "Peak Oil" is more widely known than people recognize, and it's not necessary to mention when talking about 9/11. You can casually mention oil as being a motive, and people will be like, "uh huh", and nod, etc...

I think the discussion about the dollar and how the rich are storing all of their wealth in off shore accounts was interesting. I have an article about that here.

This is one of the best threads I've read here. Here are my thoughts on the two prevailing subjects:
1) I was very impressed with Crossing the Rubicon, but reading his site and some chapters of the book he seems to get sidetracked with a lot of personal bs. Whereas, truth is a dangerous business, the best researchers don't make it personal, religious, political, etc. IMHO, science is where it's at. I wish Ruppert would just focus on his meticulous research and stay away from the pssing matches with other researchers.

2) It's fairly obvious that Israel played a role in the events, and that many US and Israeli govt officials are neo cons. But unfortunately for some this negates the rights of Israeli citizens to live in peace along side Palestinians, that corruption perpetrated by Israeli and Jewish people negates the validity of Israel. Zionism is simply believing that the Jews have a homeland. It has become polluted with neo conservative associations. But the difference is their power (Likud) is diminishing in Israel. Just look at the last election.

What difference does it make what race or religion the criminals are? They came in all stripes.

"The world's richest individuals have placed $11.5 trillion of assets in offshore havens, mainly as a tax avoidance measure. The shock new figure - 10 times Britain's GDP - is contained in the most authoritative study of the wealth held in offshore accounts ever conducted."

11.5 Trillion dollars... We could take that money, and pay off our debt, and have some left over.

"IMHO, science is where it's at."

Like the "Magic Bullet"?

I'm JUST saying that for 43 years people have been arguing over how a bullet could have done what they say it did.

Science is important I believe, but there are other avenues as well.

"The motive for 9/11 is world domination not peak oil. Read PNAC.
maddog"

Oil is absolutely essential for global dominance.
-dsm

Hey dsm,

I absolutely agree that controlling the vital resources of oil is a critical step in the road to global dominance, but it's worth noting that such control is vital, regardless of the accuracy of the Peak Oil Theory.

Here's how I came to the revelation that Peak Oil Theory doesn't matter to 9/11 truth, in any direct manner, anyways.

I'm no petrochemist, but have been friends with one for well over a decade, a former room mate who moved to Canada from Egypt back in the early 90's. When I first started discussing 9/11 stuff with him, he was pretty skeptical (though wasn't surprised by terrorist links to US intel).

In one conversation, I mentioned Peak Oil as part of the motive, and although he more or less believes in Peak Oil Theory (though he's skeptical on timelines), he, quite bluntly, said...

So what?

I replied that controlling this dwindling resource is a key to PNAC... etc...

And he said...

Who cares Peak Oil Theory is true or not. It's clear by their own words that these people want to build a true global empire. Resource control would be critical regardless of whether it's renewable or not. You should know this, you used to play Command and Conquer.

To which I laughed, and sprayed some beer, to boot!

That hasn't changed my mind on the validity of Peak Oil, which I lean towards. As my friend pointed out though, as support for motive in a PNAC-driven or PNAC-inspired 9/11 Reichstagg Fire, Peak Oil is secondary, or even tertiary, as "they" would want to control the "taps" to energy sources, whether supplies were limited or not.

"Who cares if Peak Oil Theory is true or not. It's clear by their own words that these people want to build a true global empire. Resource control would be critical regardless of whether it's renewable or not. You should know this, you used to play Command and Conquer.".......Although I have never played "Command and Conquer" I happen to agree with this assessment. These people are control freaks. Sure they want to control the Earths natural resources, not just oil. Peak Oil is irrelevant. As far as the use of oil goes, we should have been off the stuff years ago. It is a horrible energy source. Very inefficient, dirty and costly. Hydrogen Fusion is the answer. We already have the technology to develop fusion generators but big oil will never let that happen. (I am not talking about cold fusion). You can always find the answer in nature, one just has to look. The sun and all stars run on hydrogen fusion. It powers the Universe. A team of scientists have developed what they call a focus fusion hydrogen boron reactor that is about 90% efficient but the government shut them down. I wonder why? $$$$$$$$$$ http://www.focusfusion.org/what/plasmafocus.html

Ruppert's been using that "What's for Dinner? I can't tell you" joke for 40 years.

Michael Ruppert is a genocidal maniac.

Believing in peak oil does not make you a genocidal maniac. Debating global population growth doesn't either. Population reduction/control does not automatically mean killing large amounts of human beings. I wish you would get that straight.

Alan Strangis, you are a dupe if, as you say, "[you] lean towards" the globalist elite's "Peak Oil" scam.

There's more *proven* oil reserves than anyone knows what to do with (i.e., oil reserves which are proven to be economically profitable to bring to market with current technology).

So, with that being the fact, why would you, or anyone, "lean towards" the globalist elite's "Peak Oil" scam? Obviously because you are ignorant as to the facts, and because you have been conditioned like Pavlov's dogs by the globalist elite to spout such mindless pap on command.

But you do relate a correct observation (from your friend) concerning the real reason for the globalist elite in taking over major oil-producing countries: to deny others the use of those resources. Of which also raises the price of oil and thereby creates record profits for the oil industry (as in the last quarter).

I don't merely assume, or theorize, or conjecture--I present the proven facts. Like I said, there's more proven oil than anyone knows what to do with. The world is veritably drowning in massive oceans of oil. For that *proof*, see the below post by me:

"The 'Peak Oil' Scam," December 5, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54&mforum=libertyandtruth

I agree totally with your position on hydrogen fusion. We need to put real effort into getting past the heavy dependance on oil, for any number of reasons.

Command and Conquer is a seminal "RTS" or Real Time Strategy video game, where one acts as the supreme commander on a given map, building resource gathering units that mine the map to raise money needed to build armies, to do battle with 1 or more opponents (human or computer) who are doing the same thing.

Much like real life (though obviously much simplified :) ), the person who can control the resource deposits (whether the game is set with unlimited or finite resources) has the best chance of winning.

For some months in 2004, I was stuck in a "peak oil loop", switching from a position of it as the "be-all and end-all" of 9/11, to a huge red herring. I read pros and cons on it all over the map, from all over the political spectrum.

The C&C reference from my friend Y kicked me out of that logic loop, making it irrelevant to me, in the context of 9/11 anyways, as I still follow it, and fully support weaning ourselves off of oil as much as possible.

Even if the immediacy of Peak Oil Theory becomes a fact, it does nothing in the goal of serving up justice for the mass-murderers of 9/11.

""
Michael Ruppert is a genocidal maniac.

Believing in peak oil does not make you a genocidal maniac. Debating global population growth doesn't either. Population reduction/control does not automatically mean killing large amounts of human beings. I wish you would get that straight.
""

zuco, now you're misrepresenting what Michael C. Ruppert said. You make it out as if he simply advocated slowing population growth (which in of itself is quite bad enough, since it would require totalitarian, slave-state measures like in China). No, Michael Ruppert specifically said "population reduction." So you need to get that straight. And he's clearly talking about murding off large portions of the world's population, as he says it will be a "painful choice" that will require the input of the world's so-called spiritual and scientific leaders. Now why would a non-tyrannic policy require be so painful a choice and require the propagandizement by said supposed leaders? The answer is that it wouldn't.

Anyone who speaks in such terms has nothing nice in store for you.

Additionally, the only way for world population to be reduced is for people to die off. By the "painful choice" which Michael Ruppert speaks of, he makes quite clear that he is not intending that masses of people somehow choose to voluntarily stop reproducing and wait for old age until they die, but is intending to implement a policy of enforced population reduction.

Moreover, Michael C. Ruppert is a eugenicist who praises eugenicists of the past. for more on that, see the below page by me:

"The 'Peak Oil' Scam," December 5, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54&mforum=libertyandtruth

"I advocate an immediate convening of political, economic, spiritual and scientific leaders from all nations to address the issue of Peak Oil (and Gas) and its immediate implications for economic collapse, massive famine and climate destruction (partially as a result of reversion to coal plants which accelerate global warming). This would, scientifically speaking, include immediate steps to arrive at a crash program – agreed to by all nations and in accordance with the highest spiritual and ethical principles – to stop global population growth and to arrive at the best possible and most ethical program of population reduction as a painful choice made by all of humanity."--Michael C. Ruppert, in a March 2004 email to David McGowan, "Ruppert Responds!," David McGowan, Center for an Informed America, Newsletter #54, March 18, 2004 http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr54.html

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Even if the immediacy of Peak Oil Theory becomes a fact, it does nothing in the goal of serving up justice for the mass-murderers of 9/11.
""

Alan Strangis, obviously you are slow. You should be grateful that you have a friend that is sharper than you and who thus has already told you the truth as to why the globalists are talking over the major oil-producing countries.

So let me now ask you: what about the globalist elite's "Peak Oil" scam being a scam do you not get? Like I said, I don't assume, theorize, or conjecture--I prove. I present the OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT FIGURES showing that we currently have more *proven* oil reserves to last the world generations (and by proven oil reserves it is meant proven oil reserves which can be profitably brought to market with the current technology; which is to say, given future technology, even more oil will be able to be brought to market, at profit, of the already proven oil reserves--so the figures are *exceedingly conservative*).

For that proof, see the below page by me:

"The 'Peak Oil' Scam," December 5, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54&mforum=libertyandtruth

James,

This type of tone:
Alan Strangis, obviously you are slow. You should be grateful that you have a friend that is sharper than you and who thus has already told you the truth as to why the globalists are talking over the major oil-producing countries.

is not welcome here. there is no need to talk down to others that might disagree with you.

carry on, just try to avoid the 'holier than though' tone please.

Hmm...

Alan Strangis, you are a dupe if, as you say, "[you] lean towards" the globalist elite's "Peak Oil" scam.

I always thought a dupe was someone who bought a 'story' hook, line and sinker, but I guess I was wrong. :) Of course, I also disagree that the best way to share one's convictions is to call the recipient a Pavlovian dupe, spouting off mindless pap, especially if said recipient has previously stated his mind isn't completely made up on the subject. It doesn't take a semiotician to figure that out. :)

I'll be forthright and say that I have read a few of the links in the one you provided, and they are part of the reason my mind isn't made up.

I also share the same concerns re: Ruppert's more recent stance on pop. reduction. I support his prior investigative work, but at the same time not endorse his more recent turn as advocate of a "Logan's Run" style solution. In fact, I've agreed with many of the 911blogger comments you posted in the past.

With that, I'll be reading some of the links you provided when I have the time, though the spirit in which they were given keeps me from adding a hearty "cheers" to the end of it.

Cheers. (dang, there I go being all Canadian and polite-like again).

Population reduction?

Get those facts straight.
Only, the fact the 270 milion fat americans drive their SUVs is causing quite an environmental damage elsewhere.

The subsaharan Africa is basically a hellhole and it is getting worse. Obviously, the massive deforestation is mainly job of the locals but add some severe weather changes and you have got the ultimate inferno.

The UK scientist say the next century will be 3°C hotter wiping off large chunk of the african population..

dz, I'm "talk[ing] down" against genocidal maniacs like "CIA family" Michael C. Ruppert and his globalist masters.

Get it through your head: the globalist elite want you and your family dead, dead, DEAD.

Why do they want you, your family, and most of mankind dead? We can try to explain it by offering explanations such that they are misanthropes, or misguided, extremist Earth-worshippers at heart. While the former is certainly true, the latter doesn't conform to the reality of their actions: the ruling elite are the most poluting and Earth-destroying group on the planet.

But while the former statement is accurate, it doesn't explain *why* they are such misanthropes. The reason why the globalist elite are such misanthropes is because they are Satanists: they quite literally worship Satan in black robes in front of alters. And Satan desires the total destruction of mankind.

Concerning the hidden video caught by journalist Alex Jones of a dark occultic ritual performed every year at Bohemian Grove, see:

http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html

See also the full video Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove by journalist and documentary film-maker Alex Jones, which you can view in full for free below:

Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove:

http://www.archive.org/details/DSIBG

Additionally, you can view clip excerpts Part 1 and Part 2 of Jon Ronson's documentary Secret Rulers of the World, which also documents Alex Jones' infiltration of Bohemian Grove, at the below link:

http://www.sacredcow.com/allnew/index_content.php?n=multimedia_video_alex

Below can be found audio and a transcript of ABC News' Monday, April 23, 2001 World News Tonight with anchor Peter Jennings program concerning nightvision video secretly captured on Saturday, April 14, 2001 by New York Observer reporter Ron Rosenbaum of an occultic ritual conducted by the Brotherhood of Death at Yale (a.k.a. the Order of Skull & Bones):

"April 23, 2001 ABC News Report on Hidden Video Captured of Skull & Bones Ritual," PsyOp911, October 4, 2005:

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/skull-and-bones-2001-04-23-abc-report....

Definitely see also the below very important article series which contains extensive documentation on the child sex-slave and snuff-film rings run by the globalist elite:

"The Pedophocracy," Parts I through VI, by David McGowan, Center for an Informed America ( http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com ), August 2001:

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo1.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo2.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo3.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo4.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo5.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo6.html

See the below for former President George Bush, Sr.'s sexual fondness for young boys:

"Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush: 'Call boys' took midnight tour of White House," Paul M. Rodriguez and George Archibald, Washington Times, June 29, 1989:

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/wtpage1smaller.gif

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/WTpage1.gif

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/WTpage2.gif

The below documentary, "Conspiracy of Silence," was produced by Yorkshire Television (U.K.) under contract by the Discovery Channel. The documentary was scheduled to air nation-wide in the U.S. on the Discovery Channel on May 3, 1994. It was listed in the April 30th-May 6th edition of TV Guide and in newspapers for that day.

This documentary exposed a network of business leaders, Washington politicians and other high officials involved in a child sex-slave ring that flew children to Washington, D.C. and elsewhere in the U.S. for sex orgies. This documentary film turned out to be very presciently named, because close to the time before airing, various congressmen threatened the cable TV industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased for some half-million dollars by unnamed persons who ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of the rough-edited version of the film was furnished anonymously to attorney and former Nebraska State Senator John DeCamp, among others.

Former CIA Director William E. Colby is also interviewed on the documentary "Conspiracy of Silence," wherein William E. Colby backs up the legitimacy of these charges and also talks about the real risks of assassination that John DeCamp faces for taking up this case (other investigators into the Franklin, Nebraska child sex-slave scandal were assassinated).

Below is an RM file (33.3 MB) of "Conspiracy of Silence":

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.rm

You can download this same video in the below higher resolution format. Windows media (39.6 MB):

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence2.wmv

"Conspiracy of Silence" doesn't attempt to go into the Satanic and human-sacrifice angle of the Franklin incident, although that is very much part of this case, as this case is directly connected to Bohemian Grove and other child sex-slave rings. For more on this aspect, see the below book by former State Senator John DeCamp:

The Franklin Cover-Up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska by John W. DeCamp (AWT; 2nd edition: December 1, 1996), ISBN: 0963215809:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963215809/

One of the best introductions to the background and subsequent cover-up of the above film, "Conspiracy of Silence," is from the below excerpts from the book The Franklin Cover-Up by former State Senator John DeCamp, wherein he also talks about his relationship to former CIA Director William E. Colby (who himself was assassinated). Do a search for "Yorkshire" to go directly to the section concerning this film:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/coverups/decamp.html

or:

http://mysite.users2.50megs.com/coverups/decamp.html

One of the victims, Paul Bonacci, testified in court to being forced into deprived sexual acts with men and other boys, including snuff films made at Bohemian Grove, with U.S. Senior District Judge Warren K. Urbom presiding. Bonacci won the court case and was awarded one-million dollars by Judge Urbom.

Below is the text of the ruling by Judge Warren K. Urbom mentioned above:

Paul A. Bonacci, Plaintiff vs Lawrence E. King, Defendant, 4:CV91-3037, Memorandum of Decision Filed February 22, 1999:

http://www.raven1.net/ra1.htm

Below you can read more on the above case. Scroll down to the section entitled "Snuff kiddie porn at Bohemian Grove":

Bohemian Grove Dirt:

http://www.geocities.com/bohemian_grove_dirt/

Also revealing, on the Nixon tapes from May 13, 1971, Nixon says of Bohemian Grove:

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"But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."
""

(From "All The Philosopher King's Men--President Richard Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and H. R. Haldeman," James Warren, Harper's Magazine, February 2000 http://www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html .)

Yet the Bushes just can't get enough of Bohemian Grove.

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And to be able to understand all of the above facts and what it all means, see the below article by me:

"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, November 9, 2005 (originally published on December 19, 2001):

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf

In addition to the previous post above by me, see also the below articles by me:

"Quotes on the New World Order":

http://stateterror.web1000.com/nwo-quotes.html

"Brain Chips for You and Your Entire Family":

http://stateterror.web1000.com/us-government-brain-chips.htm

"World Government is Codified into U.S. Law":

http://stateterror.web1000.com/world-government-in-us-law.html

Worth watching Kay Griggs too!

Real eye opener

look under Desperate wives, at link below

http://www.hugequestions.com/

also:

http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/2005/07jul/kgriggs.html

http://www.kaygriggstalks.com/

'get it through your head' eh?

no need to pressure people to believe like you, your references to further information on your arguement should speak for itself right?

wasn't taking an oposing side, was just asking you not to talk down to others.. which is what you did:
Alan Strangis, obviously you are slow.

Griggs said other recognizable names and major players she learned from her husbandÂ’s arrogant ramblings besides Wolfowitz and other nondescript military and civilian names, involved in what she called a Zionist global takeover, included Donald Rumsfeld, George H. W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger and Andy Fine, among others.

"After what I learned from George about ´Rummy,´ as he called him and idolized him and the others, is that they all operate from this secret little, sick society and are all basically cowards and bullies. And I don’t believe I should ever keep quiet about who they are because the only way we are going to change there behavior is to shed light on what they are doing and show how ludicrous, sick and inept their behavior really is.

"My husband George just idolized ´Rummy´ and thinks he is just wonderful when basically he is nothing more than an in the closet-Nazi. Also, George liked to brag how he and Wolfowitz were down in Indonesia in the 1970s, down there training young assassins.

"After what I heard all those years and now putting it into prospective after 9/11, I think they are trying to destroy America. Their whole game is all about war, selling weapons and creating a militaristic society. I know first hand from listening to my husband, they will do anything – I mean anything including murder – to get what they want."

Although Griggs said her husband never mentioned anything specific about 9/11 during their marriage, she claims he hinted several times that "war-gaming and airplane crashes" were necessary elements to control and manipulate the American population.

Putting many of her husbandÂ’s comments together with other acquaintances made through him, she had this to say about 9/11:

"Before 9/11, there were some things which let me know that it was involved with war gaming going on at ACT Commands center in Suffolk. War games and diversions and manipulations of American public opinion he said are ´necessary.´ George explained some examples such as airplane "crashes" and the bombing by the Israeli Lebanese Bekka valley recruits who blew up the Marine Corps barracks. I believe my husband knew ahead of time 9/11 was going to occur.

"I know that there was a war game going on via Tampa, I think it was called Bright Star, which was being run on 9/11 by a weird and insecure USMC General who was in charge while the Army head was conveniently away in the Near East.

"I am sure 9-11 was a joint and combined military operation, using boys who were recruited via A.Q. Khan´s Israeli network in Pakistan and South Africa through Zionists in Hamburg. I believe that certain MI6 British Zionists with the Ian Goodwin - Peter Goodwin - Basil Cardinal Hume Yorkshire network were also involved in funding and recruiting these guys. It was a large and ongoing operation to set up and involved lots of CIA Zionists and lots of funny money."

"I based the WTC 7 falling at free fall speed on 911 Eyewitness and the physics site it refers to."

The following measurements and calculations are from my page (link below):

I examined the fall of a corner of the building [WTC 7] in one collapse video using Blaze Media Pro video editing software. The corner fell 56 meters (=the distance between the Start and End lines in the picture below) in 3.47 seconds. This results in an acceleration of 9.3 m/s2, which corresponds to a very low resistance factor of the structural supports: only 5 percent of the force of gravity of the building's falling upper section.

I also measured an acceleration of 8.5 m/s2 for the middle part of the wide facade in the picture, which means that the force of resistance of the structural supports was 13 percent of the force of gravity of the falling upper section (see the calculation in more detail here).

My measurements therefore support the conclusion presented in 9-11 Eyewitness that the skyscraper fell virtually unimpeded. The lack of structural resistance seems to be explainable only by the destruction of the structural supports through the use of explosives.

WTC-7 fell on average 7 floors per second (47 / 6.5). One second after the onset of the collapse, the speed of descent was almost 10 meters/second; after two seconds, almost 20 meters/second; and at the end, about 60 meters/second (over 200 kilometers/hour).

Heikki Kurttila, a Finnish Doctor of Engineering and accident researcher, has made detailed calculations about the collapse speed of WTC-7. In his article Kurttila concludes that the short collapse time and low structural resistance "strongly suggest controlled demolition".

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html

Israel? yes, but the people WHO DID 911 are americans. Maybe thats the theme you should push (reverse psychology works wonders!):

US-american patriots HAD TO carry out the false flag 911 in order to save the USA from collapse.

Israel's role is more in ters of blackmail. Say POLLARD.

google

[b]radio signal notations[/b]

and let us know what you think

One thing I find interesting about this conversation is not the content. It's the fact that it's taking place at all. In an argumentative format. WE didn't cause 9/11.

WTC-7 fell on average 7 floors per second (47 / 6.5). One second after the onset of the collapse, the speed of descent was almost 10 meters/second; after two seconds, almost 20 meters/second; and at the end, about 60 meters/second (over 200 kilometers/hour).

Heikki Kurttila, a Finnish Doctor of Engineering and accident researcher, has made detailed calculations about the collapse speed of WTC-7. In his article Kurttila concludes that the short collapse time and low structural resistance "strongly suggest controlled demolition".

I'll say again, this is the smoking gun, the royal flush.

I would like to know what aspect of this fateful day suggests an inside job more than this?

If only Charlie could be sitting on Oprah's couch with the WTC 7 video, explaining just this one fact...

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no need to pressure people to believe like you, your references to further information on your arguement should speak for itself right?
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For the truth-seekers it is certainly true that the massive and manifold facts I have presented are indubitable. But most people are not truth-seekers. Most people are willfully ignorant and run from the truth as if it were the plague, because they have been indoctrinated in so much government lies and because they are afraid of the truth.

So you don't have a problem with the globalist elite who literally intend to murder you, your family, and 90% of the world's human population. Instead you complain about me speaking out against that fact.

Well, below you can learn about the FEMA death-camps the globalists have planned for you and your family. Enjoy your government torture and death.

The U.S. government has been training its troops and foreign NATO and U.N. military for a long time (i.e., well before the U.S. government-staged 9/11 attacks) in putting U.S. citizens in concentration camps and for total gun confiscation.

Watch Alex Jones's first two Police State video documentaries (both published well before the U.S. government-staged 9/11 attacks) where you can see U.S. troops training with U.N. troops in disarming American citizens and putting them into concentration camps, and anouncing over their loudspeakers: "Be calm, there is food, there is water in the camp ... violation of camp rules will not be tolerated ..."

They had American role-players screaming back at the U.S. and foreign U.N. troops, "I'm an American! I'm an American! You can't do this to me! I have rights!"

On Alex Jones's first two Police State video documentaries you can see many more of these training exercizes conducted in other cities and towns. Below you can watch Alex Jones's first two Police State videos in full and for free:

Police State 2000:

http://www.archive.org/details/PS2000

Police State II: The Takeover:

http://www.archive.org/details/PoliceStateII

There have literally been hundreds of these type of training exercizes going on in the U.S. since the early 1990s. For example, see:

Operation Urban Warrior, Oakland, California 1999:

http://www.infowars.com/ouwmar9901.html

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http://www.infowars.com/Images/newouw/foreign_troops.jpg
Australian, British and other foreign troops training with U.S. troops for total gun confiscation of U.S. citizens and in rounding up U.S. citizens into concentration camps at Operation Urban Warrior, Oakland, California 1999
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For more on this subject, see below:

"U.S. Can Confine Citizens Without Charges, Court Rules," Jerry Markon, Washington Post, September 10, 2005; Page A01:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR200509...

"Reagan Aides and the 'Secret' Government," Alfonso Chardy, Miami Herald, July 5, 1987:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secret_white_house_plans.htm

"Martial Law Concerns," Congressman Jim McDermott, House of Representatives, March 11, 2003:

http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

Below are some archives for mainstream major media news articles dealing with these gulag matters:

Primary Prison Planet Mainstream-Media News Archive on FEMA Concentration Camps:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives_concentration_camps.html

FEMA Camps/Martial Law Archive:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives_fema.html

Habeas Corpus Archive:

The below archived news articles deal with how the U.S. government is currently indefinitely holding U.S. citizens who have not been charged with any crime, and how U.S. citizens in general can be tried by a secret military tribunal where they will not have the right to cross-examine their accusers, and they can be executed in secret:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives_habeas.html

Model States Emergency Health Powers Act (which has been passed on the Federal level) Archive:

The below news articles talk about how the U.S. government can quarantine whole cities and round U.S. citizens up to be put in concentration camps in the event of, e.g., a bio-weapons release:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives_modelstates.html

Below are some additional documentation resources to learn more about the FEMA concentration/extermination camps in the U.S.:

http://infowars.com/goodphotos.html

"Concentration Camps in Okanagon County?," Associated Press (via KXLY News), February 25, 2003:

http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=26857

http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_022703_camps.html

Interview of Okanogan County Commissioner Dave Schulz:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/schultz_02_27_03.mp3

And see also:

"Foundations are in place for martial law in the US," Ritt Goldstein, Sydney Morning Herald, July 27, 2002:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html

And definitely see my below Anti-State.com posts on this matter:

"FEMA Death-Camps":

http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=3800

James,

So you don't have a problem with the globalist elite who literally intend to murder you, your family, and 90% of the world's human population. Instead you complain about me speaking out against that fact.

How did you get this from me asking you to not be rude to other visitors? Relax guy, I didn't say anything pro or con in regards to your opinion.

Great Kay Riggs stuff above^, TWixie! Totally plausible NeoCon history.

"After what I learned from George about ´Rummy,´ as he called him and idolized him and the others, is that they all operate from this secret little, sick society and are all basically cowards and bullies. And I don’t believe I should ever keep quiet about who they are because the only way we are going to change there behavior is to shed light on what they are doing and show how ludicrous, sick and inept their behavior really is.

"My husband George just idolized ´Rummy´ and thinks he is just wonderful when basically he is nothing more than an in the closet-Nazi. Also, George liked to brag how he and Wolfowitz were down in Indonesia in the 1970s, down there training young assassins.

"After what I heard all those years and now putting it into prospective after 9/11, I think they are trying to destroy America. Their whole game is all about war, selling weapons and creating a militaristic society. I know first hand from listening to my husband, they will do anything – I mean anything including murder – to get what they want."....

I have watched both of Ruppert's movies. Obviously he is wrong because he said fall of 2005 was going to be the beginning of the end. Aside from oil now being at an all time high, and the price of gold going up 50% in less than a year, it doesn't look like we've collapsed yet.

But those who attack him because he "wants to kill off 90% of the population", give me a break. I'd like to see an exact quote of him saying he wants this to happen. What I've heard him say is that you can't save everyone and he's not going to waste any time trying to help people who aren't even willing to consider peak oil. I've never once heard him say HE wants to participate in any type of Nazi style forced depopulation or die off.

And one other thing... it doesn't matter if oil is produced abiotically. (Which I think it is.) We are still using it up many times faster than it is being replenished. The idea that oil companies would spend billions upon billions to get oil everywhere they can find it... but NOT attempt to drill down deeper... it's absurd. If it was at all feasible to drill deeper we'd be doing it already.

And to those who think we have 37 years of oil left...

I'm sure 37 years from now there will still be hundreds of billions of barrels of oil in the ground. But the cost of pulling it out will be considerable. I don't think most people have really thought this through. It doesn't just cost money to produce oil, it costs energy. In other words it costs oil to produce oil. Right now we're lucky to get 10 barrels for every one barrel we "waste" in the process of production. But what about when it costs 5 barrels of oil for every 10 we produce? Or 10? This means that we'll ahve to pump more and more oil just to cover the cost of pumping it. You have to subtract the 5 from the 10 before you can say that you have 10! Otherwise you're just deluding yourself. It's like the national debt. It is tough enough just trying to pay the interest; we don't even attempt to pay down the principle. Oil is getting more expensive to produce, and more and more oil is going into production, ie interest, leaving less and less net oil for consumption. Even if production is able to rise to 100 mbd, the extra barrels will just be going toward production. We will not be seeing much if any additional oil for consumption.

Ruppert said something I'd didn't like one bit back in 2005

He maintained the 9/11 truth movement is dead, now look at peak oil instead.

Frankly, you can do both.

Learn what your grand-grandparents knew (building houses, skinning animals, taking care of yourselves! be independent!) and hold on thight! IF, of course, Peak Oil is a natural scarcity and not something syntheticaly made happen by these oligarchs to reshape our societies the way they want! (ie: communism, fascism, or any kind of totalitarian system)

And indeed, Ruppert said we need to think about depopulation, "you want to do it nice or nasty?", meaning Rockerfeller and his ilk of social engineers won't be very ethical about it - but he still says we gotta do it.