A Critical Review of WTC 'No Plane' Theories

by Eric Salter

28 September 2005

Update, 30 October 2005: Rebuttal to Nico Haupt

Update 2, 7 November 2005: WTC impact footage from WNYW

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/review.html

I know very little about him, but you are not merely confusing his immigration initiaves with racism, right?
Able | 04.19.06 - 4:31 pm | #
no,although his,and most conservatives plans on immigration are unrealistic and borderline racist.check his record, hes a typical hateful conservative.you ask for proof. is suggesting we nuke mecca after the next terror attack proof enough?

Able--great article! In part:
"Both Clinton and Bush have gotten away with massive prosecutorial abuses, federal police brutality and dramatic attacks on due process for the accused, all while the people have argued over which side is the worse liar and central manager and not how best to restore liberty in America."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory117.html

Able: yes, I got your email. I'll get back to you.

Reko:

I think the following article by Griffin exhaustively proves that none of the official explanations for the lack of air defenses cannot be true:

"Flights 11, 175, 77, and 93: The 9/11 Commission's Incredible Tales"
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20051205150219651

It also deals with Minera's important testimony. It is definitely worth listing in your sources.

Other important and persuasive articles include:

"The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True"
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

"Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?"
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

An article about the bipartisan nature of the police state development:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory117.html

I've been actively researching this stuff for only 2 months or so, not that that has anything to do with my opinion that McKinney is a tool. I'm with Able. Kudos for advancing the movement, but quit being such an embarrassment in the process.

Yea see I'm not sure what kind of "research" would change anything. As easy as it is to say "I know more about one of the issues she talks about so therefore my opinion of her is more valid," I think you need to realize the disconnect between the good she's done and how she portrays herself.

we are all human
we are all tools at some point
we are all fools at some point
we all make mistakes

but we are all here....

let's make the most of it and help each other...

don't forget the MISSION

My father got to talk about 9.11 with the head of the Editor in Chief of the biggest newspaper here in Finland. When asked wether he knows about the 911Truth Movement and the "conspiracy theory", he said that he had looked into it two years ago but didn't report it because he thought the evidence wasnt sound enough.

My father then promised to send him a memo that highlits the most prominent issues around the 9.11 coverup and asked the newspaper to act upon it by assembling a team of investigative journalists. The Editor in Chief promised that he would look into it.

Now, alot of progress has been made in the two years, since he last heard of the 911Truth Movement, and we are now trying to put all of this on 2-3 A4 pages.

Please give your opinions on what to include and what to exclude from the memo. Any links to these "Top Reasons For Doubting The Official Story" -pages would be highly appreciated.

@Reko:

I think government foreknowlege is the strongest case. The fact Bush had forcibly made it so FBI agents could not investigate the hijackers or al Qaeda, even as the CIA was following the hijackers. The fact NORAD was running war games simulating 9/11 like events with real live fighter jets as the attacks happened. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta's testimony about Cheney and Flight 77 and possible standdown orders. Pakistani ISI funding of 9/11 and the coverup. The doctored EPA air quality reports. The bogus link between 9/11 and Iraq. Bush' brother the head of a company that until sept 11th 2001 ran security on the WTC and the two airports/airlines used in 9/1(tho that may simply just be a coincidence)
The fact they wanted to invade Iraq and Afghanistan by any means neccesary before 9/11. The fact they seemed to know 'who did it' immediately after it happened. The Bush stalling of the 9/11 commission for over 400 days. The CIA origins of al Qaeda and Osama. The whole Pentagon thing, while interesting, to me is very inconclusive. There's just so much to sift through it's quite daunting.

Building 7!
The 8 mile debris track from flight 93!

The foreknowledge is quite allright, as long as it isn´t pushed so hard, that it just looks like that maybe "someone" knew "something"... it´s pivotal that the point of an inside job is made.

Also, I think that it would be great to reference the different polls (CNN, Zogby, Canadian), as well as the impressive array of "important" people questioning the official story

Time.Com Exclusive: Was 9/11 An Inside Job?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175953,00.html

Washington Times: Former Bush W official Thinks 9/11 was an inside job:
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm

MSNBC.Com(archived) 9/11 Hijackers Trained At US Bases?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html

9/11 Casualties Purposefully Kept At A Minimum?
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/bodycount.html

Hmmm, why wouldnt al Qaeda want MAXIMUM casualties?

Hei Reko!

There seem to be quite a few Finns on this board.

Pockybot lists very important points (with the exception of the EPA reports, which I don't think qualify as evidence here). In addition to those, I think WTC 7 is very important, as Peter Kofor also points out. Here's my own analysis of it:

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2005/04/wtc-7n-tuhoutuminen.html
(in Finnish)

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html
(in English)

A few days after 9/11, I remember reading from our national daily newspaper that a third skyscraper also collapsed that day. In the same issue there was a WTC building plan and I kept wondering why WTC 7 should also have collapsed, considering how far it seemed to have been from the North Tower (and it was, 350 feet away). But my suspicions
soon subsided, as the newspaper never mentioned Building 7 again, nor any of the other suspicious things.

Here's a picture of the inside of WTC7's
bunker command center:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/other/sub_news_pages/911/response_p2.html

Now ya have to ask yourself, if you believe in the theory that WTC1&2 were demolished, was this where the crime took place? Or, as Webster Tarpley believes, it was orchestrated in some far off private company related to the US government?

"Why are so called Bush hating liberals so against the truth coming out on 9/11?"

Part of the reason is that exposing the Truth on 9/11 reveals a bi-partisan pattern of engagement with the "Afgan Arabs", that continued after the demise of the USSR.

I haven't posted on KOS lately, but I obtained permission from Peter Dale Scott to post a chapter from his forthcoming book there;

"Al Qaeda and the US Establishment"
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/28/22228/316

Along the same lines;

"9/11 in Historical Perspective: Flawed Assumptions"
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SCO20050729&...

Nafeez Ahmed studies the issue of Western entanglement with al-Qaeda in depth;

"Subverting 'Terrorism'"
http://www.gnn.tv/B12624

If you want to contact your member of congress regarding the Iran war, here's a good site to help you do it:

http://capwiz.com/congressorg/sbx/f/?aid=8693511&r=1

fyi, see

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060418-110124-3694r.htm

I don't think there was any media commentary (none that I saw) about Cheney having 3 injured Iraq/Afghanistan servicemen with him when he threw out the pitch. Its a remarkable thing that he and his handlers thought he needed those injured servicemen to be there for Cheney to hide behind their tragedies.

San Francisco Chronicle Attacks 9/11 Truth

Hi Jon, we had that article submitted to the Blogger too. That author might be in for a Truth Spanking wouldn't you say?

I think we need something along the lines of the Blogger Brigade, that all goes on the offensive and attacks whenever articles like that come out.

Check out this Rolling Stone cover:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

JM,

look on the right panel, it says june 2-4 in chicago.. its being held by 911truth.org

JM, check it out:
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/04/details-on-upcoming-911-truth-and.html

Well, tell them to go talk to Mark Morford.

Hi everybody, and thanks for your views! (sorry it took time to reply)

I myself have been following the 911 Truth movement for about over a year now, seen the documentaries, read Omissions And Distortions and gone thru everything I could find on the net.

What really blew me away in the first place was WTC 7 and the freefall speed of towers 1 and 2. I think that in getting someones attention, someone who already has a predisposition things, it´s necessary to put the most simple evidence up front. Once the initial interest is raised then go to the more complex stuff. I would be careful in not trying to give answers but to show the inconsistencies, and questions that go against the official story.. and let human curiosity do the rest.

If it can be proven to the journalists that the "omissions and distortions" of the 911 Commission (still seen by our government and media as the final truth on those events) are for real, I think that should ring "FRONTPAGE!" somewhere in the back of their minds.

But of course they fear making a fool of themselves and fear being disrespected and ridiculed for bringing this up. They propably think that if none of their collegues have written about this there must be something wrong with it.

The newspaper in question made a small "idiot conspiracy theorists" -type of article a few years back concerning a screening of a 911 document, and portrayed the people as tinfoil-hat wearing, antisemitist loonies. Prettymuch the same slandering stuff we see in the MSM allover the world.
Now we are asking the same newspaper to take this stuff seriously.

In this, your idea of showing the different pollresults, giving a list of scholars, engineers, politicians, the victims families, ex CIA and FBI and other "serious" (and yes, Im thinking of including Mr. Sheen :) people who are behind the 911Truth Movement, sounds good to me.
You know, let them know right away that this no little internet thing of a few people with too much time on their hands.

The toughest job is to convince them to put aside their natural (and media fed) fear of "conspiracy theories" for just a while, and have an open mind.

We are just compiling the memo with my dad and maybe well post it here before we send it to the editor, a good idea?

The Newspaper has a spread of over 400 000 people in our country of 5 mil. so to get this stuff in there would be great, and we really want to do this right!

Thanks again, I´ll be going thru the links you posted..

I hope Morgan uses this clip by Scott Myers in his May 6th presentation. It clearly shows that a jet plane did not strike WTC 2. Jet planes explode and break apart upon impact.

http://nineeleven2001.tripod.com/images/ua175-1-a.swf

http://milwaukee.indymedia.org/en/2006/03/205195.shtml

"It clearly shows that a jet plane did not strike WTC 2."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Did you say that outloud?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

And you wonder why they think we're nutty crazy tinfoil hat wearing kool aid drinking conspiracy nuts...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

AmandaREconwith,

do you really think that is the strongest evidence we have going for us? over everything there is, do you really think your opinion on the 2nd plane being a hologram, or CGI, is really something we should put up front and center? i dont.

im sorry, but anything that is left to interpretation will not be taken well, especially such an idea as you always suggest.

there is a ton more solid evidence which should be brought up first, and almost all of it can be found in any of Griffin's recent presentations.

speaking of Truth Spankings, Alex Jones at Prison Planet www.prisonplanet.com
this morning rips on the above-noted San Francisco Chrononicle hit piece on for its claim that the whole country saw the plane fly into the Pentagon

Sorry, had to bump this from a couple of threads down, talked to someone today who said "I read on 911blogger that all that crap about Bush seeing the 1st plane hit is a common mistake".

About seeing the first plane hit, and Anonymous' frantic effort to throw in every google result in a seperate post:

It is quite a different thing who you ask and when you ask it. If everything is correct, Bush didn't see anything until after couragously attempting to decipher My Pet Goat. It doesn't matter if he said first or second, on which tv he thinks he saw it, whether he really thought it was a bad pilot. He clearly stated several times he saw it on tv before he entered the classroom. There's no cognitive fuckups in that one.

Because of several witness statements, I think a boeing hit the Pentagon :(

geggy,

there is nothing wrong with that, i think you will find a large number of 9/11 activists who believe 77 hit the pentagon, unfortunately saying such things gets you blacklisted from some..

just as saying it didnt hit the pentagon gets you blacklisted from others.

the 9/11 community is fractured over the pentagon, and i think it is safe to say that 77 definately could have hit it, but the approach path vs hanjour's abilities, as well as the confiscation and destruction of evidence, is more than enough to question the pentagon as a whole..

release the tapes!

I don't know what hit the Pentagon. I'm just noting other people noting falsehoods as they arise.

Sorry about recent typos. I'm disrespecting 911blogger with lazy typing. I'll try to stand up and fly right.

Wondering if people here are continuing to hammer Oprah, Rolling Stone, The Christian Science Monitor and other larger venues for breaking this story into the MSM?
I seems like a long shot to me sometimes, but it *is* something I can do every day: just keep the pressure on.

i suggest every body e-mail the writer of the sf chronicle hit piece and politely tell her she made a glaring error in her article claiming everybody saw a plane hit the pentagon. While it may be true (and i would stress this in the e-mail) it is a journalistic error and that she needs to clarify or change her article to state the actual facts.

I've bumped-up part of manhattanite's post from a previous thread:
"My favorite way is to present photographs of the explosion that preceded the fall of the North Tower. If anyone looks at these pictures it is obviously an explosion and a very large one at that. Then provide the easily verifiable information that this explosion took place well after all the jet fuel had burned away and ask 'What caused this explosion?'"...

These photos are excellent! All hi-res photos & video clearly reveal far, far more than towers "falling" was occurring!!! Those towers were erupting & exploding!!! Just look at the pictures!!! http://spork.nyc.ny.us/images/explosion.jpg

" Because of several witness statements, I think a boeing hit the Pentagon"

dont be ashamed, one of the first 9/11 truth movies/displays i saw was for the Pentagon conspiracy. That infamous flash movie with the fight club music in the background. While it was nicely put together, i dont think its much more than entertainment. They dont touch upon anything besides the PEntagon.
Over time i realized that even if the pentagon wasnt hit by a plane, we have absolutely no proof to say so. We can speculate all we want about "what might have happened", but there are so many other insonsistencies and glaring omissions in the 9/11 comision report that we shouldnt have to resort to speculation like this.

As Bush says, take the battle to the terrorist. Let's do that. Run for Congress.

Once you are an official candidate for Novembers election you may "earn" some press coverage. Otherwise, in their eyes, we're just a bunch of aluminum foil hat wearing nuts. This might be the only way you and I can break the media silence.

If you're not up for that then identify the people who are running for congress and distribute information to them and catch it on camera (as Alex Jones might) AND their supporters at rallies. Ask the basics: did you know 3 buildings collapsed, fire never has taken down high rises, do you know who Marvin Bush is...etc...it is important to come across as creditable.

The next congress will be the people who decide what Cheney can get away with for the next 2 years. “They” need a supportive (or passive) Congress. They would much rather have us all spend our energy typing away in blogs, and recruiting people a few at a time at screenings.

Congress is where true change will take place. We want democracy & representation well this is where it happens. This is where it gets their attention...just look to New Hampshire.

Candidate Gary Dodds (who knows about 9/11, and calls for troops out of Iraq by 2007)from the 1st district in NH, had mysterious single car accident, swam across a creek, went missing for 24 hours, then can't remember anything. I believe this is a warning to him.

So, get a DVD of Jones or Griffin to every State and Federal official currently in office. Go to GOP and DEM national web site, find your State’s candidates and go to their events. Face to face contact with people who aren't looking for this information is where me must go. Distribute Griffin DVD’s to churches. But with each new contact you meet, make a request of them: sign ST911 petition, make your own petition, form a rally at your State house, enter a “9/11 memorial float” in your towns 4th of July parade; pass out flyers along the route. This will be a huge opportunity to tap into peoples patriotic feelings.

Approach them with a positive attitude, not fear and hate. We have an opportunity to build on our countries mistakes and apathy. I believe that Cheney really thought this was what we had to do for national security (ie Oil). It seems as though we are going to run out soon, and then 9/11 won't seem all that important. We must look at this as a wake up call for where we need to go in the light of the looming peak oil crisis, not merely a witch hunt of the evil doers.

What ever you doÂ…start right now.

I have a moderate conservative friend at work who is curious to hear more about 9/11, but I'm competing with my libertarian co-worker who's already pushing the "no planes" story.

Can someone point me to a concise, rational FAQ that focuses on the collapses, not on the planes, and one that doesn't invoke holograms or other "no-plane" hypotheses? I don't like WTC7.net because it looks very cheap and unprofessional, and spends too much time criticizing other 9/11 skeptics.

Any of you guys know about William Rodriguez, the last man pulled out of the towers. Check his story out, he with 14 others are witnesses to explosions in the basement before the north tower collapsed. He testified before the 9/11 commission, but his testimony was completed ignored.

timber: just use Professor Jones' paper

I'm down for the "Blogger Brigade" sbg and Jon. just sent Mark Morford an e mail.

Robbie I think there's more then just one error in her paper.

I think that a high-quality comic book has great potential to spread 9/11 truth!!! It would be particularly good if it was not copyrighted/public domain, & could be printed out freely on home computers, etc.

Such a comic book would be more versatile than flyers in handing out at demonstrations, leaving stacks of them in libraries, college dorms, supermarkets, etc. Depending on how well-written & how fine the artwork, it could become a huge hit like the old “underground comix” books of the 1960s.

For example, eye-catching caricatures depicting goat-boy Bush, PNAC, WTC-7 dropping like a ton of bricks, NORAD/FAA more confused than Keystone cops, Cheney w/Norman Mineta watching while Pentagon is slammed, Silverstein saying “Pull-it” out of the side of his mouth, illustrations of Profs. Jones & Griffin at a blackboard exposing truth, Alex Jones screaming his head off, etc.!!!!!!!!

or
7 minutes with a retard. And have a link to Bush at booker elementary.

i gotta disagree carn, the whole crying racism stuff may be annoying(but again, none of us were there, so its hard to hate on her for that,and remember,the media as a whole has a vested interest in bashing Cynthia Mckinney because she makes them look pathetic by doing their jobs for them and asking tough questions.the CNN interview was deplorable on Soledads part), but Cynthia Mckinney was the only politician i can remember asking Richard Myers and Donald Rumsfeld about the wargames on 9/11.among other things.any politician that is willing to go on Alex Jones and speak honestly about politics and government deserves some respect.

Ruppert should stick to exposing the CIA. he was a lot less annoying when he did that.

McKinney rocks.

http://www.gnn.tv/B12001

THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT ONE YEAR LATER... A CITIZENS’ RESPONSE – DID THE COMMISSION GET IT RIGHT?

Opening Remarks

Rep. CYNTHIA McKINNEY: Last year, we got the final report, an extensive, prosaically impressive report, but as some of us sat down to read it, the errors and omissions immediately jumped out at us. How was it that it took over an hour after the first transponder went off before planes were scrambled to meet the threat, all of them too late? What happened to those reports that surfaced within months of September 11th stating that seven or more of the alleged hijackers had come forward and claimed they were victims of stolen identities and were alive and well, living in Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Tunisia? Why did the Commission choose not even to address this? What about Osama bin Laden and his role in the Mujahedin backed by the CIA in the 1980s to fight the Soviets? The Commission didnÂ’t go there Â….. We cannot afford to shy away from inconvenient truths. Many of you may find what you hear today to be inconvenient information. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but times of challenge and controversy. I encourage you to engage with the issues that are raised. If you donÂ’t agree or donÂ’t like what you hear, challenge it. I believe that we should take in what every reasonable person has to say, to inform our decisions, because that is the best way to find the truth. In our pursuit of the truth, I encourage you to emulate the courage and the determination of the September 11th families in their struggle to know what really happened.

____________________-

You can smear her all you want. We know the good work that she has done.

http://gnn.tv/articles/2217/The_Rebuking_and_Scorning_of_Cynthia_McKinney

The Rebuking and Scorning of Cythia McKinney

____________________-

hell yeah Rep, sometimes even people in the movement fall for the media smears......

Representative Cynthia McKinney Grills Rumsfeld On Dyncorp Sex Rings, Missing Pentagon Trillions & 9/11 Wargames

C-Span | March 24 2005

Rumseld and Myers forced to shuffle uncomfortably and fumble for words as McKinney gets in their face about three issues seldom mentioned in official circles.

From a reader: Here is a Video of Representative Cynthia McKinney's Exchange on the House Hearing on FY06 Dept. of DefenseBudget, March 11th, 2005.

Watch how McKinney asks questions about Dyncorp slave rings, the 3 trillion missing from the pentagon and the 911 wargames.

Notice the faces Rumsfeld, Myers, Jones, Hunter and others make!!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/240305mckinneygrills.htm

I've been able to avoid much exposure to active television devices lately. I'll post these links of some of Congresswoman McKinney's efforts on behalf of 9/11 truth, and leave it at that.

2004 The Citizens' Commission on 9-11, chaired by McKinney
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html

Representative Cynthia McKinney grills Rumsfeld on the 9/11 wargames
February 16, 2005
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/mp3/McKinney.rm

Representative Cynthia McKinney asks Rumsfeld about the Missing Trillions, and Myers about the wargames
March 11th, 2005
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031505_mckinney_transcript.shtml
[or] http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/240305mckinneygrills.htm
[or] http://www.prisonplanet.com/video/McKinney2.rm
[or] http://www.spiegltech.com/media/McKinney2.rm

[pics] The 9/11 Commission Report 1 Year Later: A Citizens' Response
Hosted by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
http://digitalstylevideos.com/Briefing/ReportBriefing/index.html

... and, for whatever it's worth:
McKinney and the Capitol police, prior to incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrescomvHnU&feature=Views&page=4&t=t&f=b

Lay off of McKinney, that bxtch gots balls. Probably bigger then mine.

I do think there is a very nasty racist and sexist element to the Cynthia McKinney/Capitol HIll police issue. Its such a minor incident. This policeman certainly was not injured. Why did the TV news spend so much time on it except that the middle-aged white male news anchors enjoyed making this woman into a figure of fun.

That said, Ms. McKinney handled it all very, very badly; she and her lawyers effectively played along with the ridicule. There was no reason at all why she or her lawyers had to go on any TV shows.

oh, and Tancredo is an insane racist douchebag. isnt he the guy who advocated bombing mecca after the next terror attack?

you guys should post those links in rawstory's comments on the mckinney topic here:

http://www.rawstory.com/comments/14242.html

at least she didnt shoot a guy in the face and then refuse to see police officers for 12 hours..

Poor, poor white men, always victims of the vicious persecution of black racists. They have it almost as bad as the terribly victimized Christians who are forced to attend megachurches that broadcast their moneygrubbing swill on TV and pay no taxes.

Cynthia McKinney is an easy target because she's not a b.s. artist like most politicians, couching her opinions in meaningless cliches. I may not agree with her on everything either, but as a Southern white man, I just have to laugh at white complaints of racism aimed at a woman whose parents had to drink out of separate water fountains because they were viewed as somehow less than fully human.

Uh Chris, you don't deny that a visible rightwing Representative speaking about 9/11 Truth would be good, right? I mentioned him because he just might be enough disillusioned about Bush. You'll note that McKinney has also been called insane more than a few times.

(In case anybody wants more Ruppert-bashing, right now at FTW homepage is a story promoting "unification", ie. allowing a first world country to be overrun by the third world.)

i like Ron Paul. i dont hop on the media hate train when it comes to Mckinney though, thats way too gullible.tell me, did Ron Paul ask about the wargames? and what is your point in pointing out Mckinney has been called insane? almost everyone who questions the official story has been called insane at one time or another, it comes with the territory.(which might explain why Ron Paul hasnt questioned 9/11).

if you meant Tancredo when talking about a visible rightwing Representative , your clearly dreaming. that guy has no integrity and no balls whatsoever. he wouldnt touch 9/11 truth with a 40 foot fence.

Yea because having black parents gives you the right to be racist. Uh huh. Until this kind of attitude of "my parents were mean to their parents to I have to let them walk all over me" goes away racism among blacks will continue to go unnoticed.

I will acknowledge that I was not fully aware of how much she has done for the movement, so I will give her a break.

she claimed she was the victim of racism, im not sure where you get her being racist out of that.care to expand on that? ive never once thought of her as racist, but maybe you can explain.......

"i dont hop on the media hate train when it comes to Mckinney though, thats way too gullible"

Me neither if that's wh

"and what is your point in pointing out Mckinney has been called insane?"

Tancredo is called insane... McKinney is called insane. Of these accusations, (a) neither (b) the first (c) the latter (d) both are true?

carn, i mean no disrespect, but how long have you been "in the know" when it comes to 9/11 truth? i ask because most people "in the know" and in the movement know all about Cynthia Mckinney and her strides.a lot of the info we have now is because of her and her alone.