CNN Cover's 9/11 Skeptics and Misrepresents 911Truth.org
CNN's The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer briefly covered 9/11 'conspiracy theory' websites this evening including references to Loose Change Second Edition, Reopen911.org, and 911truth.org. Unfortunately they managed to mischaracterize 911truth.org.
Stating '..they want the government to release pentagon surveillance videos saying they think a cruise missile hit the pentagon instead of a plane', CNN misrepresented 911truth.org. In fact, 911truth.org has never advocated such a position regarding the Pentagon, and I am not quite sure where they came across the idea actually, asside from confusing them for another website or 9/11 organization.
That is not to say that many do not question the Pentagon, but just to say that if your going to cover 9/11 websites for the first time in the history of your channel, then you could at least make sure your 45 seconds worth of information is accurate!
Check out the clip, post some comments, and send in some feedback.
Thanks to Jon Gold for the quick rip!
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Here's my take on it...
Here's my take on it...
that coverage was nothing
that coverage was nothing but good for the movement.
the news model seemed very matter of fact and didn't interject any editorializing into the presentation.
the door is cracking open guys.
thanks for the clip!!!!
Great piece... telling the
Great piece... telling the public what's out there... From what I saw it's the best media blurb yet.
i don't like the "stop lying
i don't like the "stop lying cgi" at the front of this piece. let people make up their own minds.
you're too negative about this. not very many people watch cnn.
loose change has a much larger audience than cnn
Good, 911truth.org mentioned
Good, 911truth.org mentioned by URL, but not reopen911. Hey who knows, maybe next time CNN will devote several whole minutes to one of the most important issues of our time!
About the Kristol video: wow PNAC is a sensitive issue! Encouraging.
VERY GOOD STORY
VERY GOOD STORY HERE!
Conspiracy film rewrites Sept. 11
Updated:4/28/2006 9:47:42 AM
"Gypsy Taub, a mother of three from Oakland, does not believe that 9/11 happened. At least not the way the government said it did."... http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=51458
i swear, that quote 'does
i swear, that quote 'does not believe that 9/11 happened' is a direct analogy to holocaust deniers.. how dishonest.
anonymous,
we posted it earlier today, scroll down, thanks though! :)
Oops, sorry about that link
Oops, sorry about that link above. Lots of disinfo in that article, including cruise missle hit the pentagon, and the heat-weakened steel.
dz, soon after that part,
dz, soon after that part, they use the word 'revisionist' :/
They even say that the
They even say that the flight recorder of AA77 was recovered. WTF???
Just a reminder Wisconsin
Just a reminder Wisconsin Public Radio is hosting Morgan Reynolds at 8:00 am May 1st on Joy Cardin's show. It's on the schedule and it mentions the talk he is to give May 6th in Madison. To get on WPR is great coverage.
Oh, sorry dz. It's the same
Oh, sorry dz. It's the same as the USA Today Article you posted earlier.
"i don't like the "stop
"i don't like the "stop lying cgi" at the front of this piece. let people make up their own minds.
you're too negative about this. not very many people watch cnn.
loose change has a much larger audience than cnn"
They lied, I reported it.
Doesn't USA Today need to
Doesn't USA Today need to make a retraction about claiming that the flight recorder from AA77 was found at the pentagon?
..."Among the assertions in Loose Change is that a missile hit the Pentagon even though eyewitnesses saw the jet, numerous pieces of wreckage were found including the flight recorder, and those on the flight and in its path at the Pentagon are dead."...
See... we don't "beat around
See... we don't "beat around the bush" when they do something wrong... we tell the people. They are the ones who fabricate, ignore, chastize, and LIE about us. They also IGNORE some of the most important news of our lifetimes.
If we don't call them on their bs, who will?
Let's not forget CNN also
Let's not forget CNN also pulled Charlie Sheen from Showbiz Tonight.
And Ed Asner.
And Ed Asner.
This just further makes me
This just further makes me believe that they know they can no longer contain the truth so their trying to smear it. But as anyone knows any press is good press.
I just gave DVD's of 9/11 Revisited to all 8 council members and the mayor of San Diego Jerry Sanders. Also dropped a couple off at the police station and fire department near me.
Way to go Andy.
Way to go Andy.
Oh, double sorry. Our Govy
Oh, double sorry. Our Govy claims Flight 77 recorders were found, but data has not been released.
Today was indeed a good day.
Today was indeed a good day. I mean look at the commentary at Huffpo.
http://www.dailykos.com/story
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/28/2242/49415
I'm still not allowed to
I'm still not allowed to post at dailykos
George Clooney was on "The
George Clooney was on "The Border" talking about how it's wrong for a country's Government to attack its' own people, and the anchor said, "He's talking about Darfur of course"
I think they got the
I think they got the 911truth.org pentagon missile thing wrong because they clicked on the 3rd story down on 911truth.org, which links to:
http://www.flight77.info/
That site has FOIA Requests for Pentagon video, but says in the updates that we shouldn't be wasting our time dividing the movement by "spinning a new generation of 9/11 skeptics into 9/11 goofballs who are going to spend the next 2 1/2 years looking at the same old pictures of the pentagon going, 'gee, that IS a small hole...' and who will spend endless hours replaying the WTC video trying to see the missile pods."
So they attributed an incorrect summary of what was said to the wrong site. Two mistakes. The only thing they got right about that part is that there are FOIA Requests pending.
re dailykos, i set up
re dailykos, i set up multiple accounts using a dot mac account.
I always have 1 or 2 in reserve.
The locals are handing out troll ratings like they are in a panic. So you might need some extra.
In my opinion, each 9/11 post should have a poll with it so that the vocal 9/11 truth deniers (shills or blind) are seen as the minority that they are.
Last poll that I saw shows that the majority know the score. Let that work for you. People will vote because it is easy and anonymous.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/25/154011/415
I stay polite even in the face of the provocations by the 9/11 truth deniers.
Lets keep advancing the truth anywhere/everywhere we can.
Thanks.
What CNN did was associate
What CNN did was associate Loose Change's speculation about "what hit the pentagon" with 911Truth.org
This chicanery is the stuff of legend.
how much money did
how much money did celebrities raise after 9-11?
they were used
they begged for money,pandering to peoples emotions
they need to start speaking up
so does the red cross
You can fool some of the
You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on. -- George W. Bush, 2001
Re Daily Kos and
Re Daily Kos and polls:
Check this out
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/1/17158/84300
Thats a great link GW. I
Thats a great link GW. I wonder how it was able to posted though considering what he says about the gatekeepers.
I think your over reacting
I think your over reacting and I agree with some of the first posts that this event was positive not negative. The clip was short and presented in a matter of fact way.
Well most know the MSM lies
Well most know the MSM lies pretty much continuously so they take what is said with a grain of salt.
With that in mind I think its good thing that any and all 9/11 evidence is put out there.
Personally I dont think a 757 Jet hit the pentagon because there is no way a jet that size evaporated into a 16' wide hole, and there is not any marks made by the two 6 Ton Titanium engines on the Pentagon.
Not to mention we know whatever did hit it traveled over 1/2 mile just 20-25' off the ground knocking over 5 lightpost while going over 500MPH.
That BTW is areodynamically impossible for a 757 to do.
So I dont what exactly hit but odds are it wasn't a 757 Jet.
There are also just as many eyewitnesses that claim they saw a small commuter jet that hit.
Anyway, that is what we want isn't it?
QUESTIONS! that is how we get ANSWERS.
I was just reading the
I was just reading the comments on that dailykos article. I can never understand why liberals are the hardest to reach with the truth. They really think democrats are going to make this huge change in our country if they win in 2006. The Iraq war couldn't have happened with out their support, and most of them still support it. Their jokers. They may be the lesser of the evils but thats not good enough for me. Look at what Senator Byrd was saying in the lead up to war. He was getting no help from his party. Byrds a great American.
Bill Maher just lost even
Bill Maher just lost even more of my respect. He smeared Charlie Sheen pretty bad in New Rules on tonight's show
what did Maher say?
what did Maher say?
crooksandliars.com is
crooksandliars.com is working overtime deleting all 9/11 comments. I made a comment saying I thought it was stupid people were crying about how that republican politician was partying at that frat house and then said something about WTC 7. They deleted the latter part and anyone else talking about 9/11. Who are these people? More liberal gate keeping I geuss? That just doesnt seem real, anyone have a better explanation for all these liberals refusing to discuss this?
front page of Raw Story
front page of Raw Story right now. can't stop the truth.
"Questions still linger on United Flight 93"
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/14439058.htm?template=contentModul...
i just heard that theyre
i just heard that theyre going to have a 3 stage terror drill in chicago in early may....
the fact that theyre going to have the 911truth summit in chicago has got me kind of wondering if something might be up...
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liberty forums got hack attacked about two days ago...
this is illegal
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the pnac losers are getting desperate
and i wonder if theyre going to do some false flag attack at the chicago 911summit
on that stupid bill maher
on that stupid bill maher show..
he just did a smear attack on charlie sheen...
Yeah RANDKILLER999, I've
Yeah RANDKILLER999,
I've been thinking similar thoughts but I'm still going to go. Unless folks have the courage to advance their views all is lost. Mind you I have changed my plans to fly down and instead drive down. What with no-fly lists and all.
Fuck Bill Maher. I'd like
Fuck Bill Maher. I'd like to go to his show and yell out WHY DID BUILDING 7 COLLAPSE?
This kills
This kills me...
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=FT&Da...
*me slams head against wall*
*me slams head against wall*
I think Mr. Bunch deserves
I think Mr. Bunch deserves our words of encouragement, if you haven't already.
bunchw@phillynews.com
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/14439058.htm?template=contentModul...
Pandagon - a relativly large
Pandagon - a relativly large liberal blog thinks there might be a problem with Flight 93. Maybe we should put her over the top...
http://pandagon.net/2006/04/28/beware-the-eitheror-thinking/#comments
We need to work overtime
We need to work overtime *politely* and posting *factual* refutations on every single forum imaginable.
It IRRITATES THE FUCK out of me 9/11 Truth now has the image of "crazy nutjobs who think a missle hit the pentagon and flight 93 didnt happen and Bush did it". I dont believe any of that crap.
Here's a crapload of MAINSTREAM news articles ya can use to show direct US complicity. Stop arguing the ridiculous missle/pod/etc theories.
MSNBC archive: hijackers trained at US bases:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html
FBI agents told to "back off" from investigating al Qaeda months before
9/11: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4293682,00.html
Time.com "9/11, an Inside Job? How the boxcutters were preplanted"
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175953,00.html
MSNBC Slate: Boxcutter story a myth:
http://www.slate.com/id/2088092/
USA Today: NORAD ran drills simulating 9/11 like attack
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm
Bush forced EPA to lie about 9/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/09/national/main567489.shtml
Mineta testifying about Cheney's suspicious 9/11 behavior:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta
MSNBC: Osama a former CIA asset:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp
Pakistan funded 9/11:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html
Two 9/11 hijackers lived with FBI informant:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/09/attack/main521223.shtml
Here's a VERY important Washington Times article showing how an FBI agent went to her superiors with documents from pre 9/11 that al Qaeda was going to strike with hijacked airlines:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60651-2004Apr8.html
FBI agent blocked by higher ups on uncovering plot:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-moussa21mar21,1,539...
FBI translator Sibel Edmonds says that if the truth ever came out about 9/11, there'd be some very high people in the US government behind bars:
http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml
Top FBI agents told to back off from investigating al Qaeda hijackers months before 9/11
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/another-fbi-agent-blows-the-whistle/3706/
FBI agents drop 9/11 bombshell:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html
FBI agent robert wright warned the WTC was going to be attacked soon based on evidence field agents found, and that a terrorist attack was imminent, but he was told to shut up:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/30/161204.shtml
FBI agents say government is protecting terrorists, covering up 9/11:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/2469.shtml
#3 CIA man says Osama should stay free:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1431539,00.html
Taliban, UK, Israel, India and Russia warned US weeks before 9/11 a big strike was going to occur:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2242594.stm
http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wcia1...
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jid/jidpromo01...
http://prisonplanet.com/bush_was_given_hijack_warning_by_british.htm
Intelligence keeping top al Qaeda masterminds safe and protected:
more proof intelligence is providing safe haven for the top 9/11 masterminds and al Qaeda planners:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,300609,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ukresponse/story/0,11017,751102,00.html
US allowed top al Qaeda and Taliban flee to safety:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,636763,00.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?artid...
And of course the US made a deal with Pakistan to have these top al Qaeda flown out in late 2001 to safety:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/664935.asp
CIA used al Qaeda to attack Serbs in Bosnia:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,688310,00.html
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?f=/stories/20020315/34...
9/11 Families Back 9/11 FBI Whistleblowers:
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050123-072909-2717r.htm
PBS documentary on FBI John O'Neil, who was told at every turn along with other FBI agents to stop investigating al Qaeda, was convinced the US was complicit with Osama and said the WTC were going to be attacked:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
FBI agents bring about evidence to 9/11 families how much the government knew:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/mondo10.php
thanks for the resource list
thanks for the resource list pockybot!
great
great list...
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you know what REALLY happened at liberty forum?
there were these threads and it kind of showed that charlie sheen might be cooperating as a shill in a psyop--instead of a hero_____
someone typed a sentence where they kind of figured this out
then the site was down
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now they have MySqyl attack wars there all the time where they kind of blow out the site (messing with the search key)
but this is different
it's frozen--and you cant hit any of the threads
it's never been like that before
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now i know a few months back that david icke's site got hit by Mi5 and took down----they left a message
but then people raised cain and they had to back down
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andy white--- you got it
andy white---
you got it totally right
all it takes is that one sentence to destroy these idiots
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i just kind of discovered this site a few days back---and i read that thread where you said that you gave the mayor of san diego and staff copies of loose change
that is awesome
these people on this other thread where saying that people should call in the fbi anonymously on silverstein
i was saying---we could really make something happen if everyone that was interested in the 911hoax revelation
called in the fbi BUT NOT ANONYMOUSLY
on the same day---like may 1st
if a whole bunch of mid level agents got the info showed to them thats on the internet---it would make an effect
we could even make a website that we could direct them to ---to show them the best evidence all in one easy place
If its done, and I think
If its done, and I think thats a good idea to organize a day for participants to call in, it should not be done on May 1st. That day is associated too much with communism.
Jon Gold? YBBS? perhaps.
The two firefighters I gave
The two firefighters I gave copies of 9/11 Revisited to were very receptive and extremely interested. I had a sense that they had a vague understanding of our side of it. Overall it was extremely positive and made me feel like I was really making a difference.
Randy, first of all, you
Randy, first of all, you need a new ISP.
I think the biggest and most
I think the biggest and most frustrating problem with what she reported was that the internet theory ran counter to the government and mainstream media reports.
Truthers spent years sifting through the MSM reporting and put the pieces together (did the investigative reporting) which they failed to do and obviously refuse to admit.
That to me, is what you should criticize them on. That truthers simply did the job that the MSM ignored.
RANDKILLER999-- "you know
RANDKILLER999-- "you know what REALLY happened at liberty forum? there were these threads and it kind of showed that charlie sheen might be cooperating as a shill in a psyop--instead of a hero_____
someone typed a sentence where they kind of figured this out"
What do you mean by this?
Don't EVER doubt who Bush's
Don't EVER doubt who Bush's handlers are.
Here's one of them.
Big Pharm, and Big Defense are the other two.
Some things don't add up
Some things don't add up http://www.alternet.org/blogs/themix/35594/
Let's not forget that Big
Let's not forget that Big Oil participated in the planning for the Iraq War even thought they denied it.
Damn those liberal
Damn those liberal blogs/sites upset me.
Smirking Chimp, Crooksand Liars, etc are not much different than the Republican right gatekeepers when it comes to 9/11.
Anyways, I was bored tonight after seeing United 93.
Introducing the new Apple iBoxcutter:
http://www.neoramen.com/gallery/imac911.jpg
And the new Lego False Flag Operation playset:
http://www.neoramen.com/gallery/legowtc.jpg
Anonymous... good post...
Anonymous... good post... and I'll show you why...
ItÂ’s claimed that many of those named as hijackers are still alive
"Once the FBI released their official list of hijackers, complete with photographs (on the 27th September), these stories disappeared."
Yet, according to the BBC story, "His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world. Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco."
I thought once they released the photos of the hijackers, these stories disappeared? However, this man was fighting for his innocence.
Sorry 911myths.com, but that's one "debunking" of yours that is now officially "debunked".
Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
Don't know where the dup
Don't know where the dup sentence came from... sorry.
Someone should tell
Someone should tell 911myths.com to remove that story from their site.
:)
When you log onto AOL, it
When you log onto AOL, it cycles through News/Entertainment/Lifestyle/MarketPlace/Sports headlines. The News headline is currently the USA Today article about Loose. Unfortunately, the sub-headline is "It Claims Missile Hit Pentagon."
"Unfortunately, the
"Unfortunately, the sub-headline is "It Claims Missile Hit Pentagon."
Thank Theirry Meissan, Eric Hufschmid, and Donald Rumsfeld for that.
"Here we're talking about
"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center."
Donald Rumsfeld, October 12th, 2001.
Jon Gold wrote on his
Jon Gold wrote on his forum:
"That is not to say that many do not question the Pentagon, but just to say that if your going to cover 9/11 websites for the first time in the history of your channel, then you could at least make sure your 45 seconds worth of information is accurate!"
I thought the MSM lied all the time anyway?
Just imagine the reporting you guys would get if ALL of the MSM reported on 911 conspiracy sites. You KNOW it would get it all wrong deliberately, don't you, Jon?
Nunyabiz wrote, "Personally
Nunyabiz wrote,
"Personally I dont think a 757 Jet hit the pentagon because there is no way a jet that size evaporated into a 16' wide hole, and there is not any marks made by the two 6 Ton Titanium engines on the Pentagon."
The engines are not made of titanium. They have titanium components. Given that you got that wrong and everything else you wrote, it should not be surprised that 9/11 conspiracist are always confused and wrong.
" Jon Gold wrote on his
" Jon Gold wrote on his forum:
"That is not to say that many do not question the Pentagon, but just to say that if your going to cover 9/11 websites for the first time in the history of your channel, then you could at least make sure your 45 seconds worth of information is accurate!"
I thought the MSM lied all the time anyway?
Just imagine the reporting you guys would get if ALL of the MSM reported on 911 conspiracy sites. You KNOW it would get it all wrong deliberately, don't you, Jon?"
Sorry S. King... I appreciate the fact that you monitor my website, but those weren't my words, they were dz's, and they were correct.
S. King... if you want to
S. King... if you want to indulge talk of the media's coverage of 9/11 Truth...
Let's start with Tucker Carlson's BLATANT attempt at discrediting Professor Jones.
Then, he called him a "quack".
Then, he said all 9/11 skeptics should "leave the country".
Then, he lied, and said that
Then, he lied, and said that "if evidence ever does arise that the government lied substantially about what happened on September 11th, we'll be on it immediately. I promise."
Tell me S. King, how does that compare to KUTV's coverage of Professor Jones?
Would you like to talk about
Would you like to talk about ALL of the hit pieces against the 9/11 Truth from the Mainstream media?
chris, thanks for stickin up
chris, thanks for stickin up man.
jon gold and anyone else: i made the movie I wanted to make. I formed my own opinions and expressed them. If you don't like it, fine. But realize that whether or not you think a 757 hit the Pentagon, we all agree on the general consensus that 9-11 was an inside job.
So stop bitching at me and attacking me just because my movie isn't 100% on your side. The fact is 7 million people this weekend will read that USAToday article, and will either a) not go out and do their own research or b) will agree that something is up and do their own research.
Not to mention CNN and Aol.com...
I'm doing my part to get the truth out. What are you guys doing besides bitching at me about it?
What's that S. King? You're
What's that S. King? You're a shill, and don't know how to respond?
"chris, thanks for stickin
"chris, thanks for stickin up man.
jon gold and anyone else: i made the movie I wanted to make. I formed my own opinions and expressed them. If you don't like it, fine. But realize that whether or not you think a 757 hit the Pentagon, we all agree on the general consensus that 9-11 was an inside job.
So stop bitching at me and attacking me just because my movie isn't 100% on your side. The fact is 7 million people this weekend will read that USAToday article, and will either a) not go out and do their own research or b) will agree that something is up and do their own research.
Not to mention CNN and Aol.com...
I'm doing my part to get the truth out. What are you guys doing besides bitching at me about it?"
Sorry?
"I applaud Dylan Avery for
"I applaud Dylan Avery for making the movie, and I congratulate him on his success."
What does that say Dylan?
Care to restate this, "What
Care to restate this, "What are you guys doing besides bitching at me about it"?
You're honestly going to ask ME what I'm doing "besides bitching"?
You kids have to learn some
You kids have to learn some respect. ;)
The online vote Aol has is
The online vote Aol has is kinda BS, They lump all "conspiracy theories" into one lump of poo. By the way, if I may offer my two cents worth. It doesnt help us to quarrel amongst ourselves we have an uphill battle as it is. We are unlikely to be right about everything and if a truely independent investigation were to occur and some claims are proven false, so be it. It wont be the death of the truth movement . There are many things we know to be true, to numerous to mention here. If we see something that is clearly trying to undermine the truth movement by all means lets try to do something about it, but the fact is, as contrivertial as some arguements are i.e. the pentagon there are legitimate questions about it, if it turns out the official story is correct on this one great, lets get it off the list and move on, but lets not be afraid to ask questions just because we may not be right.
crooksandliars.com is
crooksandliars.com is working overtime deleting all 9/11 comments.
Andy White | 04.29.06 - 1:09 am | #
Andy, C&L censors more 9/11 truth related comments than any liberal site i have ever been on. they already banned me 3 times for trying to spread some alternative views of 9/11, and also purged their site of all of my 9/11 truth comments. C&L should be slandered on every blog you go to. fuck C&L, and fuck John Amato.John Amato says he knew someone who died on 9/11, so nobody on his site is even allowed to speculate on what really happened. you buy that excuse? it all started when they were about the only liberal blog NOT to cover Charlie Sheens comments about 9/11. they got a huge backlash about it and have been on the defensive ever since, deleting and banning people who speak about 9/11.
no problem Dylan, keep up
no problem Dylan, keep up the good work.(i love your film, but if i could make just 1 suggestion: the media. it really helps to convince people when you highlight exactly how the media works,who owns it, and why they would have no interest in reporting objectively about 9/11.Hufschmid did a good job of this in his film.i still say your doc is the most effective though.)
because sadly, most
because sadly, most americans still trust the media.
Does 911blogger.com have a
Does 911blogger.com have a myspace page yet? I mentioned it a couple weeks ago, and I think it would be a really good idea.
For example...
http://www.myspace.com/loosechange911
Peace
Dylan, your Loose Change 2
Dylan, your Loose Change 2 is one of the best contributions to 9/11 truth to this day!!!
The shills are playing PsyOps with all the truthers now, trying to instigate as much infighting as possible. (IMO, it is basically shills who are criticizing LC2.)
dz, somebigguy, & honorable
dz, somebigguy, & honorable Jon Gold are fantastic too! I believe all your efforts will bust this whole thing open in the near future.
Totally agree with both
Totally agree with both above posts by anonymous !!!
Ask Questions, Demand Answers... Let's Roll
http://www.myspace.com/wtc_7
http://www.myspace.com/wtc_7
Shill King: Is the penalty
Shill King: Is the penalty for high treason: hanging, firing squad, electric chair, lethal injection?
Whatever it is... George W.
Whatever it is... George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales, John Bolton, William Kristol, Richard Meyers, Thomas Kean, Lee Hamilton, Philip Zelikow, Dietrich Schnell, Eliot Spitzer, etc...
Deserve it.
The Fairy Tale From
The Fairy Tale From Hell
http://tyrannyalert.com/9-11%20fairy%20tale.pdf
OMG! I turn on my computer
OMG! I turn on my computer this morning, Sat. (right now) and on my AOL welcome screen, the top news story is "Conspiracy Film Rewrites 9/11", the same artiicle that talks about Loose Change. Yes, I am one of those who still subscribes to the Evil AOL. There is also a poll and message boards. Right now, the poll is conspiracy theories outrageous 74%, valid 26%.
There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.
Freep this
Freep this poll:
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060428074909990003&nc...
Let's talk about
Let's talk about it
http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=561793&func=...
Pro, I know, I know. Thanks
Pro, I know, I know. Thanks for providing the link.
So why waste time here on
So why waste time here on infighting?
Register here:
http://www.u93.org/
http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/index.php
What do you think of 9/11
What do you think of 9/11 conspiracy theories?
They're outrageous 74%
They're valid 26%
That's a first.
The post of a lifetime is in
The post of a lifetime is in this thread:
http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=641
Many of the people who
Many of the people who watched Flight 175 strike the South Tower ad nauseum on TV have such strong recollections of it that they would never entertain the suggestion that they were deceived. Even if an eyewitness that came forward could be heard by a large audience a theory about missiles striking the South Tower would be the subject of ridicule. In such a climate the temptation for the eyewitnesses to conform their recollections with those of the masses would be overwhelming.
http://www.media-criticism.com/No_Planes_Summary_2004.html
Man this poll makes CNN's
Man this poll makes CNN's look tiny...
Double the number of votes in hours (CNN poll lasted 5/6 days 55,000 votes)
They're outrageous 74%
They're valid 26%
Total Votes: 107,493
AOL Poll Direct Link
Please Vote...
well that was interesting. i
well that was interesting. i just got back from a peace rally outside my work at the courthouse. i handed out a few papers with 9/11 links. an american soldier walked up to me(i guess they really do monitor rallies) and started to talk about the Iraq war with a couple of us.he was very cordial and listened to what we had to say. sadly, he used the same talking points you hear on Fox regularly for why the war is good.(he did say he hates OReilly and Limbaugh though)i didnt have the heart to start talking 9/11 truth with him.one of the soldiers gladly shook my hand when we were done and i told him good luck in running for office, while the other soldier with him wasnt too happy to be shaking a "protestors" hand. he kind of turned his head when i shook his hand.oh well.ignorance is bliss i guess.
The kids are
The kids are alright.
http://www.pbase.com/kayakbiker/yawr
A man da: Capt. Kirk just
A man da: Capt. Kirk just spoke to me on my communicator. He said that you've got it backwards. The planes were indeed real--it was the towers that were holograms.
P.S. Dr. McCoy wants to beam you up to sick bay immediately.
haha. yeah, i agree, the
haha. yeah, i agree, the towers were clearly holograms.
Todd Beamer's Father: And
Todd Beamer's Father:
And not only can it be found that Mr. Beamer was a
founding Director of PoliticsDirect, but it can also
be found that he later became the Chief Operating
Officer for Legato Systems:
'As chief operating officer for Legato Systems, David
Beamer reported to work early on September 11, 2001 at
corporate headquarters in Mountain View, California.
Having flown to California the day before, he was
there for a key meeting to be held in Palo Alto that
morning.' (website)
And then almost expectedly, I found this piece on a
government website to accompany:
'Mountain View, CA, December 15, 2003 - Legato
Software, the leader in open software for Information
Management, today announced it received a $4.3 million
competitive award for business continuance and
availability solutions from the Pentagon Renovation
Office (PENREN), a large-scale initiative to modernize
the Department of Defense's IT infrastructure. PENREN
supports many agencies within the Pentagon, including
the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Joint Chiefs
of Staff, Army, Navy, Air Force and the Marine Corps.'
And furthermore:
In a quasi 'Oswaldian' twist, David Beamer's
'deceased' son was a Software Consultant, employed by
Oracle - which is listed as a Strategic Alliance
Partner for Legato Systems, the company his father
became Chief Operating Officer for. (website)
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/316532.shtml
Chris, I've read several
Chris, I've read several sources stating that the troops in Iraq are still being given "pep talks" by their superiours, who claim that "Saddam & Iraq" were behind "Osama" in perpetrating 9/11.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/gh
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/vanishment/gpclose.divx.avi
for sure, for the most part
for sure, for the most part all that was coming out of his mouth was talking points. he kept stressing how the media isnt reporting "the good in Iraq" and its "to the left" and i asked him to explain why "the right" has its own network and the "left" doesnt. he used the same old tired line-:"all the other stations are left wing". sigh.
"why dont they report the
"why dont they report the good news" it what he said to me. "they only report the bad". so i pointed across the street and said "a school was just built down that road, but on this road right here, a man was shot and killed yesterday. now tell me which story would be the main story on the news". he didnt have much of an answer.
A man da: When you're
A man da: When you're talking about planes going 500 mph, your into ballistics. The "normal force" (per physics 101) easily allowed the planes to penetrate the towers. (Similar to a paper drinking-straw in tornado's winds imbedding itself 8 inches into a tree.)
Is there anywhere I can get
Is there anywhere I can get a .torrent file of "9/11 revisited"? I've been searching, but can't one. Thanks!
Ian C.... I don't know where
Ian C.... I don't know where one exists...
The only thing I know is
The only thing I know is that it's available online to watch, so your best bet is to either buy it, and make a copy to hand out, or direct people to the website.
Search MARKBINGHAM.ORG and
Search MARKBINGHAM.ORG and look at the date the website was created.
http://www.betterwhois.com/
http://nineeleven2001.tripod.com/images/ua175-1-a.swf
(Real jet planes explode upon impact)
This is where the real passengers were killed.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/http://wcpo.com/specials/2001/...
Please forgive this somewhat
Please forgive this somewhat off-topic post, but it's very pertinent to yesterday's release of "United 93."
I just saw a dvd call "9/11: Made in the USA" and in it there's a phenominal segment about cell phones and planes.
A guy takes three different cell phones up in a Cessna and tests them. The first one drops out I think at 4,000 ft. and the other two are useless by 8,000 ft.
This would be a potent item to hand to some people waiting in line to see "United 93."
They're distributing it in bulk for $3/per at
http://www.moveonmoron.com
I just bombarded United 93's
I just bombarded United 93's bulletin board with the "irrefutable". :)
Missile in, missile
Missile in, missile out:
http://phill.1accesshost.com/_webimages/crash02_2.JPG
thanks jon. i just order
thanks jon. i just order one. i didn't want to wait for it to get here, but no worries.
Not 9/11 related, but an
Not 9/11 related, but an interesting look at the use of the media all the same (this site also bring's articles on the 9/11 cover up to people's attention from time to time).
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/86510
"9/11: Made in the USA" can
"9/11: Made in the USA"
can be seen online at
http://www.question911.com
The dvd's in four segments: the cell phone in Cessna segment is the 4th(final) segment.
Nobody wants to play with me
Nobody wants to play with me at Universal's board.
“The Man Who Predicted
“The Man Who Predicted 9/11. ” On A&E tv tonight & tomorrow.
Excerpt: In 2001, Rick Rescorla was the 62-year-old head of security at the Morgan Stanley Bank situated high up in the South Tower at the World Trade Center. Rescorla was convinced that Osama Bin Laden would use jet planes to try and destroy the World Trade Center. Long before September 11th, he developed an evacuation plan for the bank..."
But Condi said it was impossible to guess planes would ever be used as weapons.
http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=112199
"9/11: Made in the USA" can
"9/11: Made in the USA"
can be seen online at
http://www.question911.com
The dvd's in four segments: the cell phone in Cessna segment is the 4th(final) segment.
Richard Lowe | 04.29.06 - 2:02 pm | #
The interview with Gerhard Wisnewki is extremely enlightening. Ta for the link.
Amanda: The links you post
Amanda: The links you post very rarely work. Please keep this up however, as everything you post is garbage.
"9/11: Made in the USA" can
"9/11: Made in the USA"
can be seen online at
http://www.question911.com
The dvd's in four segments: the cell phone in Cessna segment is the 4th(final) segment.
Richard Lowe | 04.29.06 - 2:02 pm | #
On section 4, they also show how easy it is to copy someone's voice. They demonstarte on members of the audience, who are natuarally a little taken aback with this technology.
amanda that is the most
amanda
that is the most amazing link i have ever seen...
right there---flat out
flight 93 landed in cleveland
undeniable
____________________
this would be a great link to spread to all the fake msm sites
the ultimate taunt on that movie
THAT MOVIE IS TECHNICALLY BEING AN ACCOMPLICE TO MASS MURDER
_________________________----
that link gives me faith
i can go to that flight 93 board and totally destroy them with just that one link
which is?
which is?
"haha. yeah, i agree, the
"haha. yeah, i agree, the towers were clearly holograms.
Chris | "
actually chris you got it completely wrong. They were in fact mamograms.
The Loose Change website got a lot of traffic last night.
Ian C., 9/11
Ian C.,
9/11 Revisited
http://www.archive.org/details/911revisited
slightly older 56 minute version:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PWgSaBT9hNU
Shill King: Is the penalty
Shill King: Is the penalty for high treason: hanging, firing squad, electric chair, lethal injection?
Anonymous | 04.29.06 - 11:48 am | #
Gravatar Whatever it is... George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales, John Bolton, William Kristol, Richard Meyers, Thomas Kean, Lee Hamilton, Philip Zelikow, Dietrich Schnell, Eliot Spitzer, etc...Deserve it.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 04.29.06 - 12:01 pm | #
Boy do I agree with you on that one. I hope they all get the chair...I have no compassion or mercy for any of these scum bags. (You forgot to mention L. Silverslime and Rudy (the butcher) G.)
Hey Amanda: thanks for
Hey Amanda: thanks for letting us know 9/11 was the work of Zionist illuminati space pirates froms pace squadron 33, using holographic technology and missle pods.
Were really going to win the battle for hearts and minds with that kind of stellar information!
And to Dylan Avery: I understand what youre saying; that if youre film makes people at least question things, then that is the point. I think the focus should be on the provable foreknowlege, CIA complicity, war games, standdowns, suspicious activity and other provable stuff...but most like to focus on phsyical anomalies.
I just am not sure if were ognna win by telling people there was no planes.
Please post Windows
Please post Windows Mediaplayer video!!
Hey Ian C., check out 911
Hey Ian C., check out 911 Revisited on the Spectacular 911podcasts site:
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=9997&med=0&ord=Name&strt=0&vi...
"Fuck Bill Maher. I'd like
"Fuck Bill Maher. I'd like to go to his show and yell out WHY DID BUILDING 7 COLLAPSE?"
Why?
We already know that WTC 7 collapsed from structural damage and fire. No mystery there.
Jon Gold goofed by
Jon Gold goofed by writing,
"Yet, according to the BBC story, "His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world. Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
"I thought once they released the photos of the hijackers, these stories disappeared? However, this man was fighting for his innocence.
"Sorry 911myths.com, but that's one "debunking" of yours that is now officially "debunked"."
You have a lot of trouble understanding basic stuff, Jon.
ALL the hijackers died. Confusion in the first few days was quickly cleared up.
Maybe this will help you think more clearly:
Take the BBC, for example, which did in fact report, on September 23, 2001, that some of the alleged terrorists were alive and healthy and had protested their being named as assassins.
But there is one wrinkle. The BBC journalist responsible for the story only recalls this supposed sensation after having been told the date on which the story aired. "No, we did not have any videotape or photographs of the individuals in question at that time," he says, and tells us that the report was based on articles in Arab newspapers, such as the Arab News, an English-language Saudi newspaper.
The operator at the call center has the number for the Arab News on speed dial. We make a call to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. A few seconds later, Managing Editor John Bradley is on the line. When we tell Bradley our story, he snorts and says: "That's ridiculous! People here stopped talking about that a long time ago."
Bradley tells us that at the time his reporters did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," but instead combined reports from other Arab papers. These reports, says Bradley, appeared at a time when the only public information about the attackers was a list of names that had been published by the FBI on September 14th. The FBI did not release photographs until four days after the cited reports, on September 27th.
The photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. According to Bradley, "all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names." In Saudi Arabia, says Bradley, the names of two of the allegedly surviving attackers, Said al-Ghamdi and Walid al-Shari, are "as common as John Smith in the United States or Great Britain."
The final explanation is provided by the newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat, one of the sources of Arab News, which in turn serves as a source to the BBC. Mohammed Samman is the name of the reporter who interviewed a man named Said al-Ghamdi in Tunis, only to find that al-Ghamdi was quite horrified to discover his name on the FBI list of assassins.
Samman remembers his big story well. "That was a wonderful story," he says. And that's all it was. It had nothing to do with the version made up of Bröckers' and Bülow's combined fantasies.
"The problem," says Samman, "was that after the first FBI list had been published, CNN released a photo of the pilot Said al-Ghamdi that had been obtained from the files of those Saudi pilots who had at some point received official flight training in the United States."
After Samman's story was reported by the news agencies, he was contacted by CNN. "I gave them Ghamdi's telephone number. The CNN people talked to the pilot and apologized profusely. The whole thing was quite obviously a mix-up. The Ghamdi family is one of the largest families in Saudi Arabia, and there are thousands of men named Said al-Ghamdi."
When we ask Samman to take another look at the FBI's list of photographs, he is more than happy to oblige, and tells us: "The Ghamdi on the photo is not the pilot with whom I spoke."
The investigative journalists should have been able to figure out just how obvious the solution to this puzzle was. They all write that a man named Abd al-Asis al-Umari had been named as a perpetrator by the FBI, and that there are apparently many individuals with this name. Bröckers and Hauß even noticed that the FBI had initially released an incorrect first name to the press. All of this certainly suggests that there was a mix-up, but it's also something that the conspiracy theorists apparently did not consider plausible.
In the case of the supposedly surviving terrorist Walid al-Shari, the truth is even more obvious. At least Bülow had the opportunity to avoid making this mistake. In his book, he writes that the alleged assassin Shari "lives in Casablanca and works as a pilot, according to information provided by the airline Royal Air Maroc."
If Bülow had inquired with the airline, he would have discovered that the name of the pilot who lives in Casablanca is Walid al-Shri and not, like that of the assassin, Walid al-Shari. This minor detail makes a big difference, namely the difference between a dead terrorist and a living innocent man. But to conspiracy theorists, discovering the truth is like solving a crossword puzzle for children: What's a four-letter word for a domesticated animal? Hrse.
Whatever doesn't fit is made to fit. And whatever fits is included without scrutiny. "The uncritical acceptance of any argument that suggests a conspiracy" is one of the cornerstones of all conspiracy theories, writes conservative US historian Daniel Pipes. "The conspiracy theorist starts with the conclusion and then looks for reasons to rule everything out that doesn't fit." If you happen to be holding a hammer, you're probably more likely to see nails everywhere.
Then again, you've made clear that inconvenient evidence is not your cup of tea.
Jon Gold wrote, "Someone
Jon Gold wrote,
"Someone should tell 911myths.com to remove that story from their site."
I understand why you'd want to, Jon.
But the truth will always out you.
Jon Gold wrote. "S. King...
Jon Gold wrote.
"S. King... if you want to indulge talk of the media's coverage of 9/11 Truth...
Let's start with Tucker Carlson's BLATANT attempt at discrediting Professor Jones.
Jon, it wasn't an attempt. Tucker saved Jones from discrediting himself on national TV. Look how you're using it to bolster your "movement."
Then, he called him a "quack".
What's wrong with Tucker being honest and direct? Jones may not be a quack in cold fusion, but when it comes to structural engineering everyone in the field KNOWS he is a quack. And all rational people know he is a nothing but a political hack.
And the fact that you have to depend on him clearly shows your "movement" is nothing but a political one, and the truth be damned.
Jon Gold, "Then, he lied,
Jon Gold,
"Then, he lied, and said that "if evidence ever does arise that the government lied substantially about what happened on September 11th, we'll be on it immediately. I promise."
Clearly, you didn't listen to the broadcast otherwise you'd note Tucker's standard sarcasm.
In fact, he's telling the truth. "IF" evidence ever arises, he's be the first to invite Jones on the show.
Of course, there's that little problem of evidence that you all have to deal with, isn't there, Jon?
Jon Gold wrote, " Would you
Jon Gold wrote,
" Would you like to talk about ALL of the hit pieces against the 9/11 Truth from the Mainstream media?"
You mean that the real truth bothers you, Jon? Or are you all so full of yourselves and self-righteous as to not be able to dsicern and understand the truth which contradicts you?
S(tin)King Why do you shill
S(tin)King
Why do you shill come here ?
Do you get paid to harrass us ?
Just wondering...
Thanks
Chris wrote, "because sadly,
Chris wrote,
"because sadly, most americans [sic] still trust the media."
I always find it interesting that 9/11 conspiracists, like all conspiracists, must insult the American public by questionning their intelligence.
The majority of Americans believe in the evidence and know when someone is trying to con them with wild speculations.
Jon Gold, "I just bombarded
Jon Gold,
"I just bombarded United 93's bulletin board with the "irrefutable"."
Snake oil salesmen always say that.
anonymous wrote, "Shill
anonymous wrote,
"Shill King: Is the penalty for high treason: hanging, firing squad, electric chair, lethal injection?"
That's Sky King to you, bubba.
Let me know which method you choose for yourself when the time comes, ok?
Resurrected
Resurrected Hijackers
Several Suicide Hijackers Later Turn Up Alive in the Middle East
Of the 19 alleged hijackers identified by the FBI, at least six turned up alive after the attack. The FBI's identifications included names, photographs, and, in several cases, other personal details -- all of which matched the six persons who surfaced after the attack to proclaim their innocence.
Abdulaziz Alomari
Abdulaziz Alomari was identified by the FBI as the hijacker who accompanied Mohamed Atta from the connecting flight from Portland and helped him hijack and pilot Flight 11 into the North Tower. Abdulaziz told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper: "The name [listed by the FBI] is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York." 1 Saudi Embassy officials in Washington defended the innocence of Alomari, saying that his passport was stolen in 1996 and that he had reported the theft to the police. 2
Saeed Alghamdi
Saeed Alghamdi, a Saudi Airlines pilot, was identified by the FBI of being a hijacker of Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania. Alghamdi was "shocked and furious" to learn this three days after the attack, noting that his name, place of residence, date of birth, and occupation matched those described by the FBI. "You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive," said Alghamdi, who considered legal action against the FBI. 3
Salem Al-Hamzi
Al-Hamzi was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 77, thought to have crashed into the Pentagon. Al-Hamzi said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." 4
Ahmed Al-Nami
Al-Nami was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 93. Al-Nami said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." 5
Waleed Alshehri
Waleed Alshehri, a Saudi Arabian pilot, was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 11. Alshehri turned up in Morocco after the attack where he contacted both the Saudi and American authorities to tell them he was not involved in the attack. 6 7
Abdulrahman al-Omari
Abdulrahman al-Omari, a Saudi Airlines pilot, was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 11. After learning this, he visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation. 8
Ameer and Adnan Bukhari
Ameer and Adnan Bukhari were named by CNN as suspected hijackers of Flight 175, the jetliner which crashed into the South Tower, in an article dated 9/13/01. In a correction, CNN stated that Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash in Florida, and that Adnan was still alive in Florida, having passed a polygraph test to confirm his innocence. 9
10
References
1. Who Did It?, ABCnews.com, [cached]
2. The hijack suspects, BBC, 9/28/01 [cached]
3. Revealed: the men with stolen identities, telegraph.co.uk, 9/23/01 [cached]
4. Revealed: the men with stolen identities,
5. Revealed: the men with stolen identities,
6. Hijack 'suspects' alive and well, BBC, 9/23/01 [cached]
7. Dead Saudi Hijack Suspect Resurfaces, Denies Involvement, AllAfrica.com, 9/24/01 [cached]
8. 'Suicide hijacker' is an airline pilot alive and well in Jeddah, Independent.co.uk, 9/17/01 [cached]
9. Arrests made at New York airports, CNN.com, 9/13/01 [cached]
10. Les Américains se trompent sur 5 des 19 terroristes, AllAfrica.com, 9/21/01 [cached]
http://www.thedossier.ukonlin
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/LOS%20ANGELES%20TIMES_FBI%20Chief%20Raises%20New%20Doubts%20Over%20Hijackers'%20Identities.htm
"FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged Thursday that investigators may not know the true identities of some of the 19 suspected airplane hijackers from last week's suicide attacks."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/f
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_denies_mix_up_of_911_terrorists.htm
"In September 2002, Mueller told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers." After that admission a strange thing happened - nothing. No follow-up stories. No follow-up questions. There was dead silence and the story disappeared. It was almost as if no one wanted to know what had happened. In fact, the FBI didn't bother to change the names, backgrounds or photographs of the alleged 19 hijackers. It didn't even deny the news reports suggesting that the names and identities of at least six of the hijackers may be unknown. Mueller just left the door open."
The six Saudis in question are:
Abdul Aziz al-Omari was identified as one of the hijackers and the pilot who crashed American Airlines Flight 11 into the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Another man with the same name is an electrical engineer in Saudi Arabia. He lived in Denver after earning a degree from the University of Colorado in 1993. Coincidence? Consider this oddity. ABC News has reported that his Denver apartment was broken into and his passport and other documents stolen in 1995. In September 2001 he told the Telegraph, "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."
More disturbing is that the FBI accidentally may have fused two names to create one identity, because another man, Abdul Rahman al-Omari, who has a different birth date, is the person pictured by the FBI, but he still is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines. After his photograph was released, he walked into the U.S. Embassy in Jedda and demanded to know why he was being reported as a dead hijacker.
Salem al-Hamzi was identified as one of the suspected hijackers on American Flight 77, the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon. Another man who has the same name works for the Saudi Royal Commission in Yanbu.
Saeed al-Ghamdi reportedly was one of the alleged hijackers on United Airlines Flight 93, the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. He and another hijacker were said to have been in control of the plane when it was destroyed. A Saudi Arabian pilot has the same name.
Ahmed al-Nami was identified as a hijacker on United Flight 93. He also may have been in control of the plane when it crashed. A Saudi Arabian pilot with the same name is alive in Riyadh.
Wail al-Shehri was identified as one of the suspected hijackers on American Flight 11. He reportedly was in control of the plane when it crashed. Another Saudi man who is a pilot has the same name, and his father is a Saudi diplomat in Bombay. His picture was displayed by the FBI as the "terrorist" al-Shehri who crashed the plane. The al-Shehri who is alive had resided in Daytona Beach, Fla., where he enrolled in flight training at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. He currently works for a Moroccan airline. Last year the Associated Press reported that al-Shehri had spoken to the U.S. Embassy in Morocco. His photograph having been released and repeatedly shown around the world is evidence the man in the FBI photograph still is alive, the Saudi Embassy explains.
Waleed M. al-Shehri, a name used by another suspected hijacker on American Flight 11, reportedly is the brother of Wail al-Shehri. The odd coincidence is that the other son of the diplomat father is named Waleed M. This prompted the BBC to report in 2001 that, "Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well."
The Saudi Embassy has said it believes that bin Laden's plan was to have the United States blame Saudi Arabia for the attacks. Embassy officials say that, based on the amount of hate mail they have received in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, that scheme has worked.
Check and Mate.
Check and Mate.
Print up some copies of the
Print up some copies of the article "Plane Lands in Cleveland" above and take it along with your fliers to United 93 showings. Or put it on the back of another one.
Jon Gold wrote, "Several
Jon Gold wrote,
"Several Suicide Hijackers Later Turn Up Alive in the Middle East."
I already debunked that nonsense.
ALL the hijackers died in the crashes.
somebigguy wrote, " Check
somebigguy wrote,
" Check and Mate."
Indeed. It just demonstrates again Jon's lack of critical thinking skills.
a007 wrote, "Do you get paid
a007 wrote,
"Do you get paid to harrass us ?"
No one has to pay me for what is available to you for free.
Note how no one can refute what I bring to the table.
Shill King, how can you
Shill King, how can you sleep at night? How do you look in the mirror and shave in the morning? You bring nothing to the table but fruit from a poisoned tree.
"Jon Gold wrote, "Several
"Jon Gold wrote,
"Several Suicide Hijackers Later Turn Up Alive in the Middle East."
I already debunked that nonsense.
ALL the hijackers died in the crashes."
Tell me... how did they know the identities of the hijackers?
"the article 'Plane Lands in
"the article 'Plane Lands in Cleveland'"
...was in error. It was Flight 1989.
Flight 93 was most likely shot down.
S.King wrote, shill shill
S.King wrote,
shill shill shill shill shill shill shill shill.
I am not an American, but
I am not an American, but South African. Today was the first time i was exposed to the conspiracy view. If any one knows of anym ore sites, please let me know..
I it very thought provoking
Marcus, I would suggest you
Marcus,
I would suggest you start with anything by Dr. David Ray Griffin, including his 2 recent books on 9/11, and the numerous lectures he has done on the subject. You can find them on Google Video, our sister site 911podcasts.com, and on this site as well, just do a search on the left panel.
S. King spewed: [i]"The
S. King spewed:
[i]"The engines are not made of titanium. They have titanium components. Given that you got that wrong and everything else you wrote, it should not be surprised that 9/11 conspiracist are always confused and wrong."[/i]
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Didn't mean to insinuate they were made "entirely" if Titanium, but in fact a RB211 Engine has some large Titanium components of which there is absolutely no way in hell they disintegrated into dust.
and you & your condescending tude can go phuck yourself.
It's outrageous, but I've
It's outrageous, but I've accepted the fact that this will be grassroots all the way!
This link that Amanda posted
This link that Amanda posted : http://web.archive.org/web/20050207130823/http://nineeleven2001.tripod.com/
...says that flight 93 turned up at Cleveland airport. Is that the same flight 93 that was supposed to have been hijacked on Sep 11 2001 (same date as the article)? If so, isn't this a major (albiet unsubstantiated) piece of news? How did it slip through?
Note: just because someone has differing opinions, does not mean they are a shill... but they (no names mentioned) would probably do better to put their points across with a little less venom.
Wow, the hawks came quick on
Wow, the hawks came quick on this story.
i saw a poll on cnn that
i saw a poll on cnn that said 9% of Americans believe that the mission has been accomplished in Iraq. This just goes to show that no matter what the evidence indicates some people will "believe the same thing on wednesday as they did on monday no matter what happened on tuesday."(Colbert). It's a shame that some people refuse to see the obvious cover-up, and it is so obvious. However this is America, and for the time being, you are free to believe whatever you want
HEY 9/11 BLOGGER! HERE'S
HEY 9/11 BLOGGER!
HERE'S SOME REAL QUESTIONS!
1. WHO ACTUALLY PRESSED THE BUTTON FOR EACH BUILDING DEMOLISHED?
2. WHO WAS IN THE CHOPPER OVERSEEING IT?