9/11, American Empire, and Christian Faith - Dr. Griffin Speech Transcript

9/11, American Empire, and Christian Faith - Part 1
9/11, American Empire, and Christian Faith - Part 2

Note: This essay was originally delivered as a lecture at Trinity Episcopal Church of Santa Barbara, Saturday, March 25, 2006; a DVD of this presentation will be available at the end of May.

In this essay, I offer a Christian critique of the American empire in light of 9/11, and of 9/11 in light of the American empire. Such a critique, of course, presupposes a discussion of 9/11 itself, especially the question of who was responsible for the attacks. The official theory is that the attacks were planned and carried out entirely by Arab Muslims. The main alternative theory is that 9/11 was a "false flag" operation, orchestrated by forces within the US government who made it appear to be the work of Arab Muslims.

Originally, a false flag attack was one in which the attackers, perhaps in ships, literally showed the flag of an enemy country, so that it would be blamed. But the expression has come to be used for any attack made to appear to be the work of some country, party, or group other than that to which the attackers themselves belong.

I will argue that the attacks of 9/11 were false flag attacks, orchestrated to marshal support for a so-called war on terror against Muslim and Arab states as the next stage in creating a global Pax Americana, an all-inclusive empire. I will conclude this essay with its main question: How should Christians in America respond to the realization that we are living in an empire similar to the Roman empire at the time of Jesus, which put him to death for resistance against it.

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there is also a new GRIFFIN

there is also a new GRIFFIN mp3 on
radio4all.net

as well as a GREAT SHAYLER

I just got to listening to

I just got to listening to Saturdays Web Tarpley radio show at RBN. Near the beginning he talks about the VT Green Party putting together a resolution calling for the impeachment of cheneyCo, based on 911-truth. first and last I'd heard of it.
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley06.html

Cross posted at C & L: The

Cross posted at C & L:

The thing is he invented a new word: Minetty. How about a definition for that? Speaking an awful truth in the face of the powers that be.
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Colbert revealed himself to be a truther. Deal with it.
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The verizon worker that was

The verizon worker that was on the phone with the "let's roll" guy has a book coming out named "called" where she details the events. That might be an interesting read.

yes palladium, i agree about

yes palladium, i agree about Colbert being a truther. the "minetty" comment was ever so subtle, i loved it.

has anyone seen this.

http://thankyoustephencolbert.org/wordpress/archives/3

he is blowing up big-time. may truthiness prevail.

I must have missed it...

I must have missed it... "Minetty"?

WTC 7 was severely damaged

WTC 7 was severely damaged and was on fire for hours

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C&L is still wroking overtime to ban all 9/11 truth discussion.

March 06 speech coming out

March 06 speech coming out on dvd in May but no more talk of the NYC October 05 speech coming out huh? Im speaking of DRG of course.

http://prisonplanet.com/artic

dz has it, and he should

dz has it, and he should post it.

Cheney Refuses To Tell Us

I am not a violent person,

I am not a violent person, by ANY stretch of the imagination, but I guarantee you this...

When the day comes for us to gather around the gallows, I'm going to have my lawn chair, my popcorn, a soda, and some tunes to enjoy myself as I watch...

yeah, a man can dream jon,

yeah, a man can dream jon, but i have a feeling Cheney will be laughing at us until the day his heart bursts.

Don't tell me that... I need

Don't tell me that... I need to hear that everything is going to work out... that we're going to take our country back as it is our RESPONSIBILITY TO DO.

Foreign AND Domestic...
Foreign AND Domestic...
Foreign AND Domestic...
Foreign AND Domestic...
Foreign AND Domestic...

Something I wrote after

Something I wrote after watching "The Great Conspiracy"...

Foreign And Domestic

"WTC 7 was severely damaged

"WTC 7 was severely damaged and was on fire for hours"

That is a bogus statement planted all over the web by shills.

All evidence indicates that WTC-7 suffered minor, exterior damage and had a few small, scattered fires inside when it was CLEARLY PULLED IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

what is the general consesus

what is the general consesus among educated 9/11 truth-seeksers on the Bin lauden confession tape?

I ask, because I have been posting on the universal board to pass the time, and am losing an argument there. I thought it was faked, now im not so sure.

"Cheney Refuses To Tell Us

"Cheney Refuses To Tell Us His Secrets"

These are gestapo powers! Cheney is a Nazi!

The Fake bin Laden Video

Matthew Day, 911myths.com

Matthew Day,

911myths.com has a section on the bin laden tape which i found interesting.. they found other shots where he was wearing a gold ring, and better shots from the video, etc.

not trying to pimp 911myths.com by any means, just saying, it is the counterarguement.

Are we sure that Osama

Are we sure that Osama hasn't been captured, taken prisoner, dressed up, and told what to say?

DZ yep, those are the very

DZ

yep, those are the very same arguments that are being used - links to pictures from the same bin laden tape that show him looking more like bin-laden himself.

the pics are taken from this site http://www.september11news.com/OsamaEvidence.htm

here is the thread

http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1756&postdays=0&p...

In regards to the tape, it

In regards to the tape, it was obviously fake looking enough for the President of the United States to be asked about it.

Matthew, You may find

Matthew,

You may find another counter-arguement in this recent article:
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/04/new-book-on-how-taliban-were-setup-for...

it is an interesting article suggesting how bin laden was set up as a patsy, and assuming that the 'confession tape' was real.

If the BBC has said some

If the BBC has said some hijackers were still alive, has anyone since tried to track them down? I'm sure anyone with those names is under constant surveillance, but wouldn't it wake up the MSM if you could have some of the hijackers interviewed say by French reporters or the Japanese or anyone really. Perhaps they could even post on U tube saying "Hey I'm alive!" Wouldn't someone have to take notice then and question the official story.

Are there any other ways the official story could be seriously damaged by certain revelations that might hit the mainstream?

ya John...he said it after

ya John...he said it after saying Valerie Plames name out loud. "...ohh minetty".

minetty - Speaking an awful truth in the face of the powers that be.

palladium, you should add that to urbandictionary.com before someone else does.

Prof. Steven Jones points

Prof. Steven Jones points out that bin Laden (who is a killer and a psycho and a fanatic, to be sure) released two other videos in which his identity isn't in doubt and in which he specifically DENIES responsibility for 9/11. An expert on bin Laden from Duke University has gone on record saying that it is NOT bin Laden in the convenient "confesssion" tape.

If anyone has some free

If anyone has some free time, Alternet has a thread running today on 9/11, and I'd appreciate some help in carrying on the debate there.

Slightly different thread

Slightly different thread here. This whole 911 issue is not a simple democrat vs. republican situation:
From section 7 of Griffin's talk:
"On the other hand, 9/11 serves as a revelation of the nature of the American empire---an empire that has been in the making, on a bipartisan basis,for a long time."

Frank, it is hard to believe

Frank, it is hard to believe that John Kerry & Hillary Clinton are Dem leaders. They seem far too much like Repugs to me; and they treat the Repugs with kid gloves, when they should be coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

timbermonkey - got links?

timbermonkey - got links?

Looks like PNAC-NeoCons-NWO

Looks like PNAC-NeoCons-NWO conspirators are in both parties, doesn't it? Good way not to get busted on any 9/11 truth when both parties are complicit in the conspiracy.

The Republicans seem to own

The Republicans seem to own the Democrates and have made them their bitches.

@ neo: German Der Spiegel

@ neo: German Der Spiegel searched the claims of alive hijackers. None of the original reporters backs up their story. Besides that they found no hard evidence for this claim to be true. Please take other facts to proof the inside job as this was already burned.

The Clintons and the Bushes

The Clintons and the Bushes are in the same gang, as far as I'm concerned.

If Hillary wins we might as well have let Jeb Bush win (though that won't be til 2016)

Mainstream media: Stephen

Link to Alternet blog

Link to Alternet blog debate:

Joshua Holland's Blog.

So far the debate is leaning toward 911 truth, but there are lots of fence-sitters that need a push....

yeah...i told someone

yeah...i told someone yesterday to stop blaming high gas on repubs because dems are just sitting around taking it with no vaseline :(

Several Suicide Hijackers

Several Suicide Hijackers Later Turn Up Alive in the Middle East http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/identities.html

As a former Dem, and now

As a former Dem, and now more of a left-libertarian, I'd say that the most discouraging thing I've learned over the past few years is just how alike the Dems and Repubs are, esp. in terms of economic and foreign policy. It's mostly the rhetoric that is different.

In spite of Democrat claims to the contrary, the behavior of their elected representatives in Washington (as well as in many state legislatures) do precious little to disprove the notion of a "bipartisan consensus" when it comes to the establishment of a global economic and military empire, and maintaining an economic status quo based on maximizing corporate wealth.

Therefore, the Dems will NEVER take a public position that challenges the official 911 conspiracy, any more than some racist loser who wants to "nuke their ass and take their gas" will challenge our divine right to invade Iraq or Iran. They have nothing to gain in doing so, and much to lose.

Jon: Remember, little Adolf

Jon:
Remember, little Adolf wasn't HITLER until AFTER everything was said and done. When was the last time you referred to Bush as "President Bush", or "George W. Bush", and not just "Bush"?

Awesome line

Why would someone hijack the

Why would someone hijack the name of a Native American warrior betrayed and murdered by the US Government in order to be the government's bathroom attendant in an internet debate about the government betraying and murdering people?

Maybe a more appropriate pen name would be Ollie North or G. Gordon, or maybe Scottie McClellan....

"@ neo: German Der Spiegel

"@ neo: German Der Spiegel searched the claims of alive hijackers. None of the original reporters backs up their story. Besides that they found no hard evidence for this claim to be true. Please take other facts to proof the inside job as this was already burned."

They only "debunked" two of the allegedly live hijackers to my knowledge. It still doesn't explain how they got their identities so quickly, and why there were no changes to the identities even though Robert Mueller said several times that they weren't sure if they got it right.

Robert Mueller also said that there was "no paper trail" regarding the hijackers, yet now, we're seeing stories of this supposed bag of Atta's that had everyone's name, etc...

In other words... somewhere between 9/11/2001 - 9/14/2001, a bag was found that supposedly belonged to Atta, and had all of the hijackers names in it.

Yet, in April 2002, Robert Mueller said there was no paper trail.

The only article that I know of that speaks of Atta's bag was written by Bob Woodward, and there was no mention of the hijackers identities in it.

@ Jon; You right with your

@ Jon; You right with your post, there are just too many curious things that surrended the hijackers, the tracking by intelligence, the traveling in and outside the US without legal papers, their behaviour as Daniel Hopsicker found out, and much more.

Der Spiegel article was a bad hit piece with false allegations and name calling in it, called "Panoptikum of the absurd", so I could only look with anger at it. But you won't find a reporter that backs up their stories, and at least 2 of the alived reported hijackers stories were untrue.

So one can assume that the report of alived hijackers was maybe a strawmen to reinforce the legend of hijackers at all.

Jon-- And correct me if I'm

Jon--

And correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but isn't it the case that the coroner who handled remains from the Flight 93 "crash" found NO remains of anyone of Arab extraction?

This is an area that's confusing to me, since I'm still inclined to believe that there WERE Muslim radical hijackers who were set up as patsies....

There was an article posted

There was an article posted recently about 93..


"The first responders, when they came, there was nothing there," explained Joanna Hanley. "They actually thought they were coming out on a rescue effort but they couldn't find anything."

In regards to the patsie scenario... that's what I think. I think it's possible Atta & Co (maybe 3 or 4 other people) boarded those planes thinking something else was taking place, only to find that they were tricked, etc...

That's a theory though, and I can't prove it.

All I know is that those "hijackers" couldn't have possibly done everything they did that day with those airplanes.

1) Finding Manhattan.
2) Finding WTC.
3) The impossible Pentagon maneuver.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt04

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0475276/

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Yeah right.

Also... how often do you

Also... how often do you hear of suicide bombers dropping out at the last minute, etc... yet on 9/11, they managed to get all 19 people to commit suicide.

Also... one other aspect of the "fake tape" from Osama...

"Terrorists" generally take credit for attacks within days... yet, within days, Osama denied it... it took him until December 2001 to "take credit" for it through the tape.

Think about it... they were

Think about it... they were all shitty pilots... how in the hell did they supposedly manage to direct the planes back to NYC, directly into the towers? Did they look out the window? Did they stop to ask for directions? They just instinctively knew where it was? They were better pilots than we thought, and they knew exactly how to operate the planes? Ca'mon...

Re: Colbert Hey, googled

Re: Colbert

Hey, googled "minetty", didn't come up with much... How do you ascribe that colbert is a truther? I saw his performance on cspan and i must say he has huge balls!! It'd be great if he was on our side...

Why do people who swallow

Why do people who swallow the government's wacky conspiracy theory regarding 911 think the government won't release security videos that should only PROVE the government's case?

Why did the government oppose any real investigation into 911 in the first place?

Why were investigations into the "hijackers" and other Saudi-linked suspected terrorists quashed prior to 911?

Isn't it just a LITTLE bit weird that the attack took place on the anniversary of the beginning of construction of the Pentagon, on a date that invokes thoughts of emergency, and that the names of the airlines involved also invoke patriotic/nationalistic feelings ("United" and "American," as opposed to Delta or Continental, or some other airline)?

There's a lot of "coincidental" and circumstantial strangeness on top of the concrete physical absurdities of the official conspiracy theory.

Jon: [sarcasm] Don't you

Jon:

[sarcasm]

Don't you know that those "denials" were really secret codes by Osama to his followers? That's why they weren't played on National TV!

[/sarcasm]

w00t! I'm being interviewed

w00t! I'm being interviewed by my local newspaper regarding 9/11 Truth... it's supposed to be released May 21st... FYI...

I'm going to talk about

I'm going to talk about missiles... holograms... cgi... bigfoot... aliens... I can't wait, it's gonna be great!

The Republicans seem to own

The Republicans seem to own the Democrates and have made them their bitches.
Anonymous | 05.01.06 - 1:11 pm | #
yeah, thats how it seems to me as well.when Feingold stood up and wanted to censure the president, his own party couldnt sprint away from him fast enough.cowards.

"The Republicans seem to own

"The Republicans seem to own the Democrates and have made them their bitches."

About the "New World Order"...

Here's what I believe:

Have you ever come across a bum on the street, and you couldn't even make eye contact with them because they're "Less Than Human"?

That's how our "Leaders" perceive us. They don't care about us as individuals. We are "Less Than Human".

It's a PROVEN fact that the Corporations care more about the bottom dollar than the people they sell their products to. If our Elected Officials are interchangeable with their Corporate Counterparts, then why should their priorities be any different? Guess what? They're not.

Over the years, the Corporations have slowly taken America away from us. Most decisions made in Washington D.C. no longer benefit Americans, but the Corporations themselves.

If by "New World Order" you mean that the Corporations are taking over the planet, then yes, I believe in the NEW WORLD ORDER.

NWO, illuminati, the elites,

NWO, illuminati, the elites, big business, call it what you want. we the people havent run this country in a very long time. JFK was the first of a series of coups.9/11 was a highly desperate act by the powers that be.the dollar is dying, thats one major reason why 9/11 happened, among others.

Not in any particular

Not in any particular order...

Reasons For 9/11
1. Money
2. Power/Hegemony
3. The Dollar
4. Oil
5. The Protection of Israel
6. The Logistical placement of bases in that region for future use (China, Russia, etc...)
7. Drugs
8. To get the people's support in the never-ending "War On Terror".

Chris-- I listened to an

Chris--

I listened to an entire impeachment panel discussion, and John Conyers himself said there was NO chance of impeachment while Bush is in office, and that the best we can hope for in that regard is to impeach him retroactively after he leaves office.
This is the hero of the impeachment movement talking.

Remember, Clinton wasn't impeached over his foreign policy; he was impeached over statements he made in a totally unrelated civil action. Nixon was threatened with impeachment in order to protect the system, not change it. Bush will never be impeached for any official act, because to do so would indict the entire system.

If by "New World Order" you

If by "New World Order" you mean that the Corporations are taking over the planet, then yes, I believe in the NEW WORLD ORDER.

song: The Invisible Hand
http://media.maineindymedia.org/content/EthanMiller/InTimesOfWar/08%20-%...

i never said anything about

i never said anything about expecting Bush to be impeached. im not sure why you directed that at me.

I heard BBC is playing Loose

I heard BBC is playing Loose Change in June...

that would be huge DHS, i

that would be huge DHS, i hope its true.where did you hear it? on another note, Alex Jones loses me when he has people like this on:Robert Schindler

Alex welcomes the father of the late Terry Schiavo to remember her life, and to discuss recent developments in the culture of death.

i wish Alex would stick to the fake war on terror and state sponsored terror and things of that nature.

At this point... the only

At this point... the only way I can see a change is by a Revolution.

How many people are willing to take part in a Revolution? We are having a hard enough time getting "Anti-War" activists to march/rally, etc... how are we going to get truthers to Revolt?

If the media covered the "Anti-War Effort/9/11 Truth effort" as much as it covered the illegal immigrants, we'd be able to get millions in the streets to.

If the media did its' job (Ya hear that media?), this would be taken care of...

The GOD DAMNED MEDIA IS THE PROBLEM.

Television, Newspapers, Magazines... ALL OF THEM...

I haven't watched T.V. for almost 2 years now... unless I had to see "something" or record "something"...

I am so sick of it...

preach on Jon, i say that to

preach on Jon, i say that to everyone. its the media and the power they hold. if its not on CNN or in Newsweek magazine it didnt happen in most peoples minds.thats one of the main hurdles in trying to show people evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. they typically say something like "why havent i seen or heard of any of this in the news?". thats why i loved how in Hufschmids 9/11 video, he did a whole segment on the media and why they fear/hate 9/11 truth.whenever someone comes out with a 9/11 truth doc, they should make sure to do a segment on the media.it really helps in spreading the truth when you point out the medias various flaws.

It's the #$&%$@ media's

It's the #$&%$@ media's fault... it really is... our Government can do crime after crime after crime, but if our media doesn't tell the people about it, they're going to get away with it, which is what is happening..

*&$(%&($*%&#()*$&#)*( MEDIA!!!

government=corporate=media=co

government=corporate=media=corporate=same goals

But the only way we'll get

But the only way we'll get the media to change is to stop watching them... of course... how do we get everyone to stop watching them without the media telling them about our idea? It's a catch 22 situation.

This could ALL end... ALL OF

This could ALL end... ALL OF IT...

That's why it's INEXCUSABLE for sites like C&L, Rawstory, Dailykos, huffingtonpost, etc.. to NOT cover the news that the media doesn't...

And that's why you have people like me, dz, etc... doing our best...

GOD DAMNED MEDIA!!!

As fun as my site is... I

As fun as my site is... I HATE having to run it... I wish I didn't have to. I'd rather be outside, falling in love... getting laid, but NOOOOOOO... I have to post the news that our media doesn't... because I can't trust someone else to do it...

Once I opened my eyes, I felt obligated, and still do, to let the people know, to the best of my ability, what's going on...

That is also a catch 22... you take the red pill... how do you NOT try to tell people?!?

Chris-- "yeah, thats how it

Chris--

"yeah, thats how it seems to me as well.when Feingold stood up and wanted to censure the president, his own party couldnt sprint away from him fast enough.cowards."

I was just backing up your point; whether we're talking about censure or impeachment, neither party wants actual policy to be publicly examined because to do so would be to open a whole Pandora's Box of covert ops, overthrow of democratically elected governments, assassinations, etc. that fly in the face of our national mythology.

Jon: What is the newspaper?

Jon:

What is the newspaper?

Well Jon if it means

Well Jon if it means anything im starting a business, and so far were not making a lot of money, but we are getting a lot of street buzz which could lead to potential customers, which leads to more money :)and once that happens i plan on allocating as much money to a big 9/11 truth medium (Movie, Documentary, TV Special, Book, Debate..etc)

timbermonkey - I don't know

timbermonkey - I don't know if I would have that much doubt about an Impeachment or Censure.

http://www.vermontguardian.com/local/052006/ImpeachmentPetitions.shtml

People are starting to take a stand. The question is, is it too late?

If a few more states force resolutions onto Congress, then they HAVE TOO do it. However, I don't like the "Have too" idea because they will do a crappy job and avoid the hard questions.

Jon: I wrote this to an

Jon:

I wrote this to an officemate in response to Scott McClellan and his comments about "Mission Accomplished", but I think it applies to 911 Truth as well.

Him: This is why I'm glad to see McClellan go. If the mission was disarming Iraq and changing the regime, that was indeed accomplished. If the mission was also to stabilize the country and institute Democracy and defeat the terrorists then it remains a work in progress. Why not just say that?

Me: But this gets to the point made by George Will, and also relates to the Colbert address. This administration has operated as if photo ops with suggestive words in the backdrop determine reality. Whether or not the aircraft carrier sign literally referred to the regime change alone, Bush was trying to bask in the glow of victory to gain political mileage. Can you imagine an FDR or a Churchill doing such a thing following D-Day?

This also relates to a piece I sent you on Rove and the perpetual campaign. They have always packaged "reality" with PR and photo ops, and for a long while, they were able to shape public opinion. But at some point people catch on when the reality doesn't match the spin. The naysayers who point this out are then accused of misunderstanding the message.

I blame a large part of this on the fact that many Americans don't get their news by reading. They are attuned to the imagery of television, and are therefore more subject to Madison Avenue manipulation by politicians and their handmaidens in the MSM. Maybe the rise of bloggers will help change that, but I don't think the people who don't read newspapers (and are most susceptible to manipulation) are major blog-readers.

There's a quote often

There's a quote often attributed to Allen Dulles after it was noted that the final 1964 report of the Warren Commission on the assassination of JFK contained dramatic inconsistencies. Those inconsistencies, in effect, disproved the Commission's own final conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone on November 22, 1963. Dulles, a career spy, Wall Street lawyer, the CIA director whom JFK had fired after the 1961 Bay of Pigs fiasco - and the Warren Commission member who took charge of the investigation and final report - is reported to have said, "The American people don't read."

Times Herald... Norristown.

Times Herald... Norristown.

you know what is

you know what is crazy...when its all said and done, and something more tragic happens (which will make 9/11 look like a firecracker incident) I can see right now:
Repub: "You see, the only reason this happened is because those DAMN Liberals kept the Repubs hands tied."

Its just, i have the feeling, that they will spin this in some way to make it seem like its the Dems fault.

And god, can you imagine

And god, can you imagine what might have been if all the JFK skeptics had been able to communicate early on through the internet?

At this point, it's

At this point, it's unacceptable to me not to read. Do you have ANY idea how much you miss by not reading? It's not our fault either... again, it falls on the shoulders of the media... you're going to tell me that those 24 hour news channels can't change their format from stretching a half hour worth of news over 24 hours to 24 hours worth of news, every day? Please.

"And god, can you imagine

"And god, can you imagine what might have been if all the JFK skeptics had been able to communicate early on through the internet?"

I can't imagine. I do know that the Zapruta film would have been more widely seen...

Back and to the left... back

Back and to the left... back and to the left...

And then, there are people (not mentioning any names) who say that the Zapruta film is fake...

My take on that...

The ENTIRE JFK "Conspiracy" rides on the Zapruta film. It's the ONE piece of evidence that shows Oswald was not the "lone gunmen". Why on Earth would the Government release a fake movie to show that would incriminate them? That makes no sense to me. If you take away the Zapruta film, what are you left with regarding the JFK conspiracy?

Hey Guys I Need Help. Where

Hey Guys I Need Help.

Where does it say the average time NORAD took to intercept a plane before 9/11? I know about the 67 times..but someone is trying to tell me it took over an hour to intercept Payne Stewarts Plane..and most intercepts take over an hour.

What would you guys like to

What would you guys like to see added in the given topics?

Foreknowledge
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March 1999: Germany Provides CIA HijackerÂ’s Name and Telephone Number
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/24/politics/24TERR.html

August 12, 2000: Italian Intelligence Wiretap of al-Qaeda Cell Reveals Massive Aircraft-based Strike
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a081200italy

June 2001: Germans Warn of Plan to Use Aircraft as Missiles on US and Israeli Symbols
http://www.thememoryhole.org/faz-article.htm

June 4, 2001: Illegal Afghans Overheard Discussing New York City Hijacking Attack
http://web.archive.org/web/20010923042516/http://www.latimes.com/news/na...

Late Summer 2001: Jordan Warns US That Aircraft Will Be Used in Major Attack Inside the US
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=alatesummer01jordan

Late July 2001: Taliban Foreign Minister Tries to Warn US and UN of Huge Attack Inside the US
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=331115

Late July 2001: Egypt Warns CIA of 20 al-Qaeda Operatives in US; Four Training to Fly; CIA Is Not Interested
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/09/eveningnews/main525012.shtml

August 2001: Russia Warns US of Suicide Pilots
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti...

Early August 2001: Britain Warns US Again; Specifies Multiple Airplane Hijackings
http://www.sundayherald.com/24822

August 23, 2001: Mossad Reportedly Gives CIA List of Terrorist Living in US; at Least Four 9/11 Hijackers Named
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=215843&contra...

Before September 11, 2001: Three Countries Hear bin Laden Tell Wife to Return to Afghanistan; This Warning Sets Off ‘Scramble’ in US and Elsewhere
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=abefore911threecount...

September 4, 2001: Mossad Gives Another Warning of Major, Imminent Attack
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a090401mossad

September 7, 2001: Priest Is Told of Plot to Attack US and Britain Using Hijacked Airplanes
http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=9943

September 7, 2001: French Give ‘Very Specific Information’ about Possible Attack on US Soil
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a090701frenchwarn

Early September 2001: Sharp Increase in Short Selling of American and United Airlines Stocks
http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2001-09-26-suspicious-trading.htm

Early September 2001: Almost Irrefutable Proof of Insider Trading in Germany
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34910,00.html
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/woil23.xml
http://web.archive.org/web/20011030000143/www.miami.com/herald/special/n...

September 6-10, 2001: Suspicious Trading of Put Option Contracts on American and United Airlines Occur
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215082158/http://cjonline.com/stories/09...

September 11, 2001: More Than $100 Million Rushed from WTC
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti...

FEMA in place on September 10th for drill in lower manhattan.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#fema

Hijackers
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Muslim extremist, Mohamed Atta, apparently has american girlfriend, drinks alcohol and snorts coke:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7746174590105525480&q=Mohamed+A...

January-May 2000: CIA Has Atta Under Surveillance
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti...

MSNBC archive: hijackers trained at US bases?:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ alle...d_us_bases.html

MSNBC: Osama a former CIA asset:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp

Two 9/11 hijackers lived with FBI informant:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2...ain521223.shtml

Top FBI agents told to back off from investigating al Qaeda hijackers months before 9/11
http://www.laweekly.com/news/new...e-whistle/3706/

FBI agents say government is protecting terrorists, covering up 9/11:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/2469.shtml

August 24-29, 2001: Hijackers Buy 9/11 Plane Tickets Using Their Apparent Real Names
http://web.archive.org/web/20010922164519/www.miami.com/herald/special/n...

CIA 'had 9/11 hijacker details'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3516233.stm

Obstruction of Justice
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September 2000: Military Lawyers Prevent Able Danger From Sharing Information about Atta and Others with FBI
http://www.gsnmagazine.com/aug_05/dod_lawyers.html

Able Danger, 2.5 terabytes ordered destroyed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9342936/

September 2000: Chart With Mohamed AttaÂ’s Photo Presented by Able Danger at SOCOM Headquarters; Meetings With FBI Cancelled
http://www.gsnmagazine.com/sep_05/shaffer_interview.html

US agents told to back off bin Ladens
http://prisonplanet.com/us_agents_told_to_backoff.html

FBI agents told to "back off" from investigating al Qaeda months before
9/11: http://www.guardian.co.uk/ Archiv...4293682,00.html

FBI agent goes to her superiors with documents from pre 9/11 that al Qaeda was going to strike with hijacked airlines:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...1- 2004Apr8.html

FBI agent blocked by higher ups on uncovering plot:
http://www.latimes.com/news/prin...lines- frontpage

Top FBI agents told to back off from investigating al Qaeda hijackers months before 9/11
http://www.laweekly.com/news/new...e-whistle/3706/

FBI agents drop 9/11 bombshell:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/...20603/ memo.html

FBI agent robert wright warned the WTC was going to be attacked soon based on evidence field agents found, and that a terrorist attack was imminent, but he was told to shut up:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/...30/ 161204.shtml

FBI agents say government is protecting terrorists, covering up 9/11:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/2469.shtml

US allowed top al Qaeda and Taliban flee to safety:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c...? artid=38382324

FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0510,webmondo2,61790,6.html

FBI whistleblower Colleen Rowley "bombshell" memo
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

FBI whistleblower Robert G. Wright
http://www.prisonplanet.com/another_fbi_agent_blows_the_whistle_on_911.htm

Money Trail
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"Money man" Pakistan ISI general Mahmoud Ahmad,meets with George Tenet, then head of the CIA plus others. DAYS before 9/11.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1266520,00.html

Pakistan Lobbies 9/11 Commission
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp

"Coincidences"
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40-year-old FAA rule that allowed Armed Pilots inexplicably rescinded two months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/armed_pilots_banned_2_months_before_911.htm

September 10, 2001 Donald Rumsfeld announces that the Pentagon has lost track of $2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS of military spending.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

Bush Senior and Bin Ladens Brother attend Carlyle Group meeting at Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, On 9/11.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/041203metwithbinladen.html

May 2001: Medics Train for Airplane Hitting Pentagon
http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=272&issueID=31

June 16, 2001: Major Simulated Terrorist Attack Exercise is Held in Pennsylvania (near flight 93 crash site)
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_90895.html

Early August 2001: Mass Casualty Exercise at the Pentagon Includes a Plane Hitting the Building
http://www.peterson.af.mil/hqafspc/News/News_Asp/nws_tmp.asp?storyid=02-214

Before September 11, 2001: US Government simulated terrorist attacks involving Multiple-Planes
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

Before September 11, 2001: NORAD Plans a Mock Simultaneous Hijacking Threat from Inside the US "Delta pilots and actors posing as passengers"
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0206/04/lt.08.html

All of the five alleged Flight 77 hijackers lived in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2033791...

Wargames/drills On 9/11
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(9:09 a.m. and After): Numerous False Reports of Hijacked Aircraft
"11 aircraft are either not communicating with FAA facilities or flying unexpected routes..”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233007

7 extra hi-jacked planes, what would be the casue? Why the lack of air defense on 9/11?

NORAD Begins Northern Vigilance Military Operation
"NORAD begins Operation Northern Vigilance. For this military operation, it deploys fighters to Alaska and Northern Canada
to monitor a Russian air force exercise in the Russian Arctic and North Pacific Ocean,
scheduled for September 10 to September 14."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy42754-2002Jan26

OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN and VIGILANT Warrior
The publicly available mass media articles about these exercises state that they were similar enough to the actual
events that top NORAD personnel were confused, not sure if 9/11 was "part of the drill" or a real world event.
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/defense/aviationnow_jumpstart.htm

The National Reconnaissance Office Plane Crash Drill
"The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) "provides our nation its eyes and ears in space." It operates a system of
reconnaissance satellites to provide real-time monitoring of objects in the skies. On 9/11/01 the NRO headquarters
in Chantilly VA we

Wargames/drills On

Wargames/drills On 9/11
_________________________

(9:09 a.m. and After): Numerous False Reports of Hijacked Aircraft
"11 aircraft are either not communicating with FAA facilities or flying unexpected routes..”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233007

7 extra hi-jacked planes, what would be the casue? Why the lack of air defense on 9/11?

NORAD Begins Northern Vigilance Military Operation
"NORAD begins Operation Northern Vigilance. For this military operation, it deploys fighters to Alaska and Northern Canada
to monitor a Russian air force exercise in the Russian Arctic and North Pacific Ocean,
scheduled for September 10 to September 14."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy42754-2002Jan26

OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN and VIGILANT Warrior
The publicly available mass media articles about these exercises state that they were similar enough to the actual
events that top NORAD personnel were confused, not sure if 9/11 was "part of the drill" or a real world event.
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/defense/aviationnow_jumpstart.htm

The National Reconnaissance Office Plane Crash Drill
"The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) "provides our nation its eyes and ears in space." It operates a system of
reconnaissance satellites to provide real-time monitoring of objects in the skies. On 9/11/01 the NRO headquarters
in Chantilly VA were evacuated as part of a "plane into building" drill. The scenario involved a small corporate jet
crashing into one of the the campus' four towers."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/08/21/nat...

Three F-16 jetfighters from the D. C. National Guard at Andrews AFB, which is 15 miles from the Pentagon, were flown 180 nautical miles away for a training mission in North Carolina.
http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?view=story&...

Training exercise in "airport emergency operations" is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Belvoir_firefighter_among_first_responders....

Amalgam Warrior
"Large live-fly air defense and air intercept,tracking and surveillance"
http://www.waronfreedom.org/synth/synter2ed.pdf

Global Guardian
"Nuclear warfighting, "Armageddon"
[9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, by Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://www.waronfreedom.org/synth/synter2ed.pdf

Crown Vigilance
"Air combat command exercise"
[9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, by Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://www.waronfreedom.org/synth/synter2ed.pdf

Apollo Guardian
"Large scale live-fly air defense and air intercept, tracking surveillance."
[9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, by Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://www.waronfreedom.org/synth/synter2ed.pdf

AWACS
"AWACS over florida, Washington DC"
[9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, by Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://www.waronfreedom.org/synth/synter2ed.pdf

FAA Boston Center contacts NEADS, saying, "We need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out."

“Is this real world or an exercise?” asked the military liaison officer?

"No, this is not an exercise," responded the FAA official. "Not a test."
BBC News, 6/18/04

"A perfect cover for conducting the actual live fly components of 9/11 through a largely non-witting military bureaucracy.
Under the cover of this confusion, the most palpably subversive actions could be made to appear in the harmless and even
beneficial guise of a drill."
[9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, by Webster Griffin Tarpley, 3/05]

"The ENTIRE JFK "Conspiracy"

"The ENTIRE JFK "Conspiracy" rides on the Zapruta film. It's the ONE piece of evidence that shows Oswald was not the "lone gunmen". Why on Earth would the Government release a fake movie to show that would incriminate them? That makes no sense to me. If you take away the Zapruta film, what are you left with regarding the JFK conspiracy?"

How about science?

It has been proven by science that a bullet will enter the body with a small hole and exite with a much larger hole. How about starting there?

The fact that JFK had a small hole in his forehead and a large portion of the back of his head missing is the first clue.

Someone is saying because of

Someone is saying because of the change in time zones that Payne Stewart's plane was intercepted in an hour... I don't know about that, but my question is, there were 6 planes at one time monitoring where that plane was going. On 9/11, we couldn't even get one.

And god, can you imagine

And god, can you imagine what might have been if all the JFK skeptics had been able to communicate early on through the internet?
Gothamite | 05.01.06 - 5:14 pm | #
and that is why, i hope, this will turn out differently.

i was watching a documentary

i was watching a documentary about RFK's killing on the History Channel today.they treat his murder much more objectively than JFK's. it was actually a pretty fair documentary.they made it very clear Sirhan Sirhan couldnt have acted alone.the History Channel still clings to the "lone gunman" myth when it comes to JFK though,as far as i know.

Payne Stewart News Cast :)

Allen Dulles is an evil son

Allen Dulles is an evil son of a bitch.

as far as people in the

as far as people in the public eye that everyone knows, hes in a class of evil that only people like former president Bush,current president Cheney and Henry Kissinger are in.

the current Bush is a bit

the current Bush is a bit too stupid to be as evil as his father.

Google for and read the CIA

Google for and read the CIA Document #1035-960 entitled "Re: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report".

A Timeline of CIA

A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

By Steve Kangas

The Author of this article was recently assassinated and made to look like it was a suicide. Type in (Steve Kangas) and read for yourself the extroardinarily suspicious murder of Kangas in the office building of one of America's most notorious "hard core" conservative billionaire zealots, Richard Mellon Scaife

The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. (1)

http://www.voxfux.com/features/cia_atrocity_timeline.html

(much of which Dulles oversaw)

"The fact that JFK had a

"The fact that JFK had a small hole in his forehead and a large portion of the back of his head missing is the first clue."

And soon his brain was missing. It got "lost". Unbelievable...

Regarding the AOL poll, I think it is great news that over a quarter of the respondents on a very mainstream site agreed that conspiracy theories "are valid". And when you consider that one truther matches many official story believers in terms of converts, the situation is not at all bleak in my view.

6 planes were used to

6 planes were used to intercept one. How many were used on 9/11?

And if there weren't at

And if there weren't at LEAST 6 planes in the air, WHY NOT?

remember, JFK famously said

remember, JFK famously said he wanted to "break the CIA into a thousand pieces". Kennedy knew how corrupt the CIA was, and he was going to do something about it.so was his brother.they both had to die "for the good of the country".why do i get the feeling some of todays elites say the same thing about 9/11?

Yizzo, "In that legendary

Yizzo,
"In that legendary intercept, a fighter out of Tyndall, Florida was diverted from a routine training flight to check out the Lear, whose pilot had become incapacitated, trapping Stewart in the stratosphere. An F16 was reportedly sitting off the left wingtip of PayneÂ’s pilotless business jet within 19 minutes of the FAA alert. [ABC News Oct25/99]
from http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission.htm

thanks Mssr.Jouet, i cant

thanks Mssr.Jouet, i cant believe ive never read that.

frank rega, and everyone

frank rega, and everyone else... this is the "counter-argument" for the Payne Stewart story. I don't know if the change of time zones is relevant or not... tell me if it is... tell me if it isn't.
SBG'll tell ya. I'm not the smartest guy in the world.

"At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.

About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA.8 About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet,9 the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response. About 1000 CDT, the test pilot began a visual inspection of N47BA. There was no visible damage to the airplane, and he did not see ice accumulation on the exterior of the airplane. Both engines were running, and the rotating beacon was on. He stated that he could not see inside the passenger section of the airplane because the windows seemed to be dark. Further, he stated that the entire right cockpit windshield was opaque, as if condensation or ice covered the inside. He also indicated that the left cockpit windshield was opaque, although several sections of the center of the windshield seemed to be only thinly covered by condensation or ice; a small rectangular section of the windshield was clear, with only a small section of the glare shield visible through this area. He did not see any flight control movement. About 1012 CDT, he concluded his inspection of N47BA and proceeded to Scott AFB, Illinois."

Mssr.Jouet, that was another

Mssr.Jouet, that was another tasty tidbit, thanks!

Google: "Re: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report"

The unclassified attachments to this guidance document should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are:
(1) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in,
(2) politically interested,
(3) financially interested,
(4) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or
(5) infatuated with their own theories

"If anyone has some free

"If anyone has some free time, Alternet has a thread running today on 9/11, and I'd appreciate some help in carrying on the debate there."

Where?

"Think about it... they were

"Think about it... they were all shitty pilots... how in the hell did they supposedly manage to direct the planes back to NYC, directly into the towers? Did they look out the window? Did they stop to ask for directions? They just instinctively knew where it was?"

I looked into that point using google earth. From the point each plane was hijacked and the altitude they were at and that it was a clear day it was pretty easy to see the direction to NYC.

Flight 11 had the added benefit of being able to always see and follow the Hudson River to NYC.

http://www.caapilots.com/News/TradeCenterPaths.htm