Letter to the Editor: 9/11 was staged

Another one, keep em coming:

http://www.aspendailynews.com/article_13957

I've just recently seen film footage of the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings that took place on 9/11 and footage of typical skyscraper demolition.

Wow.

They're exactly alike.

I, for one, no longer have any doubts that 9/11 was staged. The following are just a few quotations that came to me that I would like you all to keep in mind as events continue to unfold:

"I'm the decider, and I decide what's best." -- George W. Bush, 43rd president of the United States.

"It is a great mistake, possibly perilous, ever to assume that because people were in positions of responsibility, they were therefore behaving responsibly." -- David McCullough, author.

"Moral principle is a looser bond than pecuniary interest."

"With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed."

"Those who would deny freedom to others deserve it not themselves, and under a just God cannot long retain it."

"Ballots are the rightful and peaceful successors to bullets."

"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher."

"History is not history unless it is the truth." -- Abraham Lincoln, 16th president of the United States.

Bob Keenan
Carbondale

Jon The last two paragraphs

Jon

The last two paragraphs of this story ("CBS News Promoting 9/11 Criminal As 9/11 Hero And Presidential Candidate") are VELLY, VELLY INTERETHTING.

A close and good friend of mine reported that she watched watched a TV interview with Giuliani Tuesday morning in which he talked about how Bush would go down in history as a great President. When pressed by the reporter why he thought that, in light of Bush's many failures, Giuliani said that the events of the next three years will reveal what a great President he is. She wondered what he knows that the rest of us don't.

Mr. Bush... Why did the 9/11

Mr. Bush... Why did the 9/11 Commission cover-up your involvement?

Answer
Click Here

CBS News Promoting 9/11

The E.M.T. testimony found

The E.M.T. testimony found here is very interesting. He was in the OEM in WTC 7 until he received word that a third plane was inbound and that he had to evacuate. After leaving he was told to find Chief Ganci and tell him "that the buildings (WTC 1 & 2) have been compromised, we
need to evacuate, they're going to collapse."

any thoughts?

There is actually video from

There is actually video from 9/11 where Giuliani is being interviewed and he states that he was warned the towers were gonna collapse and he had to evacuate. I'm gonna see if I can dig that up, its an interesting little tidbit.

Anyone catch 24 last night??? The last line in the episode, said to the president was as follows:

"You shoot that plane down, or you go to jail for treason and murder."

I wonder if Dubya was given a similar order on 9/11?

"You shoot that plane down,

"You shoot that plane down, or you go to jail for treason and murder."

Didn't you know? The President "gave" the order to shoot down a plane.

the 9/11 truth movement

the 9/11 truth movement should mount a huge campaign against Giuliani come 08.CNN is pumping him up as we speak.we must devote all resources to exposing this bastard before 08.everyhere he goes, he should be followed by 9/11 truth activists.

Check out letsbombiran.com

Check out letsbombiran.com for a new version of The Beach Boys "Barbara Ann". Theres a video with the song that is pretty funny (in a sick way of course).

Reposted for visibility.

Reposted for visibility. Hopefully this will be the end of this.

I hope everyone can take a step back and realize what we're trying to accomplish. The goal of this movement is not to distort facts and do anything we can to try to make the Bush administration look guilty. The goal of this movement is to discover truth.

While some of you may think that the end justifies the means, I do not. If we have to stoop to using flimsy arguments, non-expert opinion, distortion of facts, and mindless speculation in order to present our case, how are we different than the Bush administration and its various media lapdogs? Because we think we're right? They think they're right too!

The way we will find success is by figuring out how to create a sharp relief between us and those parties on either side of us, namely the right-wing that runs the country, and the nutjobs that most people think of when they hear the phrase "conspiracy theory."

We obviously do a good job of differentiating ourselves from the ring-wing. What we do a terrible job of is differentiating ourselves from the tinfoil hat wearing alien invasion and black helicopters crowd.

Before you continue with your attacks against me, tell me this: What have I done wrong? If pointing out dishonesty and distortion is not allowed in the movement, then what is the movement?

I've been asked what my favorite movie/book on the topic is. This is difficult for me. I've read several books and have watched most every movie on the topic I can find. While most do at least a decent job of presenting information that increases my desire to study, almost every one of them also presents speculation and theory as well.

I must say that Stephen Jones is a possible exception, as I love almost everything he has said and written, and he usually refuses to take part in speculation. He tends to stick to a pretty limited subject of discussion, that which he knows most about, and leaves the inevitable conjecture to others. He hasn't really produced any books/movies though so I don't know if he counts. I guess I'll call him my favorite lecturer/article writer.

Anyway, I hope that people can understand where I'm coming from and respect me for it. If loving Loose Change and its style of psuedo-journalism is requisite for membership in our little community, then I guess I'll move on. I just hope we can all realize what that says about the movement itself.

Bomb-Bomb-Bomb-lets Bomb

Bomb-Bomb-Bomb-lets Bomb Iran!

SBG,24 is amazing this year.

SBG,24 is amazing this year. i swear the writers of that show read all of PNACs documents, read about some 9/11 truth and decided to fashion this season after reality.when the terrorist colluding chief of staff to the president was talking about how we needed an excuse to go to war in the middle east for oil, and how he was a big patriot for doing what he did(helped terrorists), i knew right then the writers of 24 were far from typical rightwingers.

Check out letsbombiran.com

Check out letsbombiran.com for catchy new version of The Beach Boys "Barbara Ann". Funny video included. Laugh or cry I guess.

oopps. I thought my comment

oopps. I thought my comment got lost.

Once we know that we cannot

Once we know that we cannot blame the "collapses" on "airplanes", why are we still blaming 9/11 on "Muslim hijackers"?

Let go of your hate,
let go of your fears.
The "collapses" weren't caused by "planes",
so stop blaming "Muslim hijackers".

Giuliani pulled a "reverse Linda Tripp" on 9/11 by telling NYers to get rid of their clothes (which contain evidence that disproves the government's Muslim-blaming conspiracy theory of 9/11).
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Well it's 4:00 and time for

Well it's 4:00 and time for the daily 911 truth piefight on Daily Kos! Boris Epstein is taking it like a man.

Iran Oil Bourse Starts This

Oh yeah, the '24' stuff is

Oh yeah, the '24' stuff is interesting.

E.M.T. testimony --

E.M.T. testimony -- intriguing.

Protesting Giuliani is a good idea.

carn, excellent post. I don't know if getting respect is meaningful, though, and I have one complaint:

"black helicopters"

They're dark olive. ;)

But, I think I've said more or less enough about L/C as well.

*****

So how much idiocy can you cram to a single, fairly short web page, if you try hard?

http://www.rense.com/general70/3o.htm
"Jon Carlson"
"Jack White"
"A3 Skywarrior"
"18ft entry hole"
"The Power Hour"
"physics911.net"
"pod/flash"
"In Plane Site"
"blue tarp"
"This photo shows an engine and the fuselage section of a A3 Skywarrior."

The photo shows no such thing, despite colorful ellipses marking random debris.
But wait, they saved the best for last!

"Compare this final German website photo SHOWING NO HOLE ANYWHERE"
AHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAHA
You gotta go see the photo that followed that comment!! Ahahahaah.

...

If you can't stomach Carlson articles, I'll reveal that the photo shows a GIGANTIC hole after demolition was well under way. Of course, a larger hole can be used to annihilate a smaller hole!

I must wonder if it's possible for someone to be as stupid as... no, wait. Yes it is.

Hey Chris, I hear ya, I

Hey Chris, I hear ya, I thought they were gonna have another year of a completely untouchable and ethical president, and they pulled this one.

Good job by them, however, they do have cell phones working up in airplanes with no issues whatsoever, so I kinda wonder what they're trying to pull with that one...

Can anyone post over at kos?

Can anyone post over at kos? They have been assembling a transcript of Colbert's performance and they have got to the "Gee Minetty (Mineti)" remark and they are stumped. Of course truthers would take it as a reference to Norman Mineta's testimony regarding Cheney in the WH bunker. I can't post at kos.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/30/1441/59811#c142

Here's the transcript of the

Here's the transcript of the portion:
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Joe Wilson is here, Joe Wilson right down here in front, the most famous husband since Desi Arnaz. And of course he brought along his lovely wife Valerie Plame. Oh, my god! Oh, what have I said? I, gee Mineti [looks horrified] I am sorry, Mr. President, I meant to say he brought along his lovely wife Joe Wilson's wife. Patrick Fitzgerald is not here tonight? OK. Dodged a bullet.
_____-
Over at kos they have elevated Colbert's performance to the level of a gospel that has to be parsed phrase by phrase and inflection by inflection. Note the: [looks horrified] I am sorry, Mr. President.

That sure makes sense if Colbert is reacting after letting slip a 9/11 truth in front of Bush.

"I've just recently seen

"I've just recently seen film footage of the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings that took place on 9/11 and footage of typical skyscraper demolition."

If thats gonna be are lynch pinn were fucked.

Can anyone tell me where

Can anyone tell me where this footage
came from?
http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/pnac.micheal.meacher.wmv

On the HBO DVD “IN

On the HBO DVD “IN MEMORIAM” at approximately 27:30, I see WABC TV newsman “N.J. Burkett” walking alongside 2 NYC cops and Burkett asks them “Why are they pulling us out of here?” The cops reply, “the North Tower...the North Tower is leaning!....” Then the DVD cuts to Mayor Giuliani for a few seconds. Then it’s back to Burkett who screams, “Oh, my God, there it goes!", as he and the cops run like hell further away from the WTC. Then it cuts back to Giuliani & friends who are running like hell too.

Point is, how in the world did these cops have advanced notice that the North Tower was about to collapse ahead of time??? Who told them??? And the North Tower was never leaning before it fell, not to my knowledge! (Earlier, the South Tower leaned DURING its implosion.)

Good job by them, however,

Good job by them, however, they do have cell phones working up in airplanes with no issues whatsoever, so I kinda wonder what they're trying to pull with that one...
somebigguy | Homepage | 05.02.06 - 4:45 pm | #

haha, yeah, but i swear some of the things that come out of President Logans mouth sound like they were directly lifted from PNAC.24 is killing it this year.and did you catch what Defense Secretary Heller said to Jack about exposing the President as working with terrorists? he said the country couldnt handle the truth.

Anyone else hear

Anyone else hear this?

http://clipcast.wpr.org:8080/ramgen/wpr/jca/jca060501c.rm

Morgan Reynolds was on Wisconsin Public Radio. I thought the host gave him every opportunity to present his case and I have to say I was disappointed. I think we had a chance to hit a home run and hit a single. Maybe Im being to pessimistic, let me know.

first thing me mentions is

first thing me mentions is wtc 7.

Why not start with facts not theories?

It's frustrating to say the least.

he mentions^

he mentions^

Green Party congressional

Green Party congressional candidate Carol Brouillet is a truther: http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/05/1819868.php

This is just too good not to

This is just too good not to feed the trolls. Terrence, read slowly and carefully lest you miss the STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S observation.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/cutter_charges_brought_down_wt.html

“As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running,” Leslie Robertson, structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, told fellow engineers.

American Free Press contacted three scientists who support the official theory to ask if they would review JonesÂ’s paper.

Thomas W. Eagar of MIT refused to even look at the paper and said there is no evidence of molten metal pouring from the WTC. Challenged with the
evidence, he hung up the phone.

Zdenek P. Bazant of Northwestern University submitted his fire-induced collapse theory to the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) two days after 9-11, without examining any evidence. Asked if he would review Jones’s paper, Bazant also refused, “I have seen Jones’s fiction before. If you want my private opinion, it is nothing but sensationalism,” he said. “His purported refutation of my analysis is baseless.”

Asked to simply look at five photos in an e-mail showing the cascading molten metal and core columns, which appear to have been cut with thermite, Bazant responded, “I do not have time.”

Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, an Iranian-born professor at Berkeley, who was a member of the ASCE team studying the WTC collapse, also refused to look at JonesÂ’s paper.

“I will not be able to find time to review the material that you have sent me,” said Astaneh-Asl.

(Issue #18 & 19, May 1 & 8, 2006)

Interview with Professor

Interview with Professor James H. Fetzer.

Tue., May 2, 2006

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Whalen/0605/20060502_Tue_FrankWhalen.m3u

(interview starts in the third hour)

9/11 Truth News With Turbo

I thought this was

I thought this was interesting:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/weeklystandard/20060502/cm_weeklystandard/911onf...

"ON SEPTEMBER 18, 2001, ABC News president David Westin decided that his network would no longer air footage of the attacks on the World Trade Center only a week before. The constant repetition of the images of the planes crashing into the buildings had become "gratuitous," a spokesman said.

Almost immediately, all other networks and news channels adopted the same policy, and ever since, it is only on rare occasions that Americans have been exposed to those indelible images. This extraordinary act of journalistic collusion followed another mysteriously unanimous decision to censor the photographs and moving images of those victims who had chosen to jump to their deaths rather than be burned alive.

At the time, these choices seemed tasteful and appropriate. The perpetual repetition of the pictures and footage over the course of that first week threatened to make them as familiar as bland wallpaper, or serve as the permanent backdrop for cable-news channel self-promotion. And yet the policy has remained in place to this day, long after there was any risk of the footage's misuse."

Yeah, interesting they would want to stop showing footage of the WTC being DEMOLISHED.

Um... Here's a flyer you

Um...

Here's a flyer you guys could hand out... if ya wanted to... :)

That's the original YBBS

That's the original YBBS logo... :)

More info on Loose Change's

More info on Loose Change's impact: http://tinyurl.com/glhf5

thats fear truthout, thats

thats fear truthout, thats fear you are posting.

911facts.net I need material

911facts.net

I need material for it.

I'd like to get a team together.

I'd also like to make a corresponding video package after the site is up and substantial.

Please help!

911HijackerDotCom@gmail.com

DHS - do you post under that

DHS - do you post under that name at the universal forums?

NYC Blaze Called Biggest

Hope everyone is alright.

Hope everyone is alright.

Just saw that

Thank you for the context of

Thank you for the context of the "Minetty" remark in Colbert's speech. I would not make much of this at all. It reminds me of my mother's exclamation when I was growing up, "Criminellees." Have no idea what it means and she's quite old and has dementia now so she wouldn't remember. I think it was just an exclamation like I say, "sheesh."

Of course, Colbert could still be a supporter of reinvestigating 9/11.

Hey you guys... we just got

Hey you guys... we just got a kick ass offer...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9926

Last night I checked

Last night I checked Technorati and "Colbert" was number 1 with "Stephen Clobert" number 2. There were 1000 postings, which is the maximum that they post for any entry at a given time. Tonight they were still number 1 and number 2 respectively, with another 1000 postings each. He's the man!

I just sent this... Some

I just sent this...

Some 9/11 related news... :)

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/security/0,70785-0.html?tw=wn_polit...

"When the government told a court Friday that it wanted a class-action lawsuit regarding the National Security Agency's eavesdropping on Americans dismissed, its lawyers wielded one of the most powerful legal tools available to the executive branch -- the state secrets privilege."

When else has the Bush Administration used the "State Secrets Privilege"

Sibel Edmonds

A woman gagged who has been quoted as saying....

"once this issue gets to be...investigated, you will be seeing certain [American] people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally"

"There is direct evidence involving no more than ten American names that I recognized"

"The American Public Have Not Heard Who Is The Real Culprit Behind 9/11"

Is it any wonder they used the "State Secrets Privilege" to gag her?

;)

Jon

can somebody turn

can somebody turn to
Nightline
they will have something on a 911/Airport Whistleblower and they also have things on remote control airplanes with missles

Anyone else hear

Anyone else hear this?

http://clipcast.wpr.org:8080/ramgen/wpr/jca/jca060501c.rm

Morgan Reynolds was on Wisconsin Public Radio. I thought the host gave him every opportunity to present his case and I have to say I was disappointed. I think we had a chance to hit a home run and hit a single. Maybe Im being to pessimistic, let me know.
Doug | 05.02.06 - 6:20 pm | #

uhhh, totally gone off Morgan Reynolds... The guys a stooge... Once he said "The videos were faked" player was stopped...

What a dick...

"thats fear truthout, thats

"thats fear truthout, thats fear you are posting."

I think we'll have to deal with it and refute it.

what happened on Nightline?

what happened on Nightline?

No Colbert is the real deal.

No Colbert is the real deal. It is just too precise. He recut the interview tape for tonights show. There is a lot there. Does he have to shout it out. I mean penn station - heavens. Helen Thomas is clearly a truther. Still laughing over his closing remark:
"If you want a free transcript get to typing."
Ok Colbert. Yes I asked for one.

Can anyone tell me where

Can anyone tell me where this footage
came from?
http://terrorize.dk/911/ comments...eal.meacher.wmv
pockybot | 05.02.06 - 5:51 pm |

The links from http://terrorize.dk/911/

but the interview with Michael Meacher is featured in a Dutch documentary.

Gerhard Wisnewki ( http://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/index.php )
made a documantary about 9/11, also featuring Michael Meacher and Andreas Von Beulow, but it was dropped at the last minute.
He's done some excellent research into 9/11 after spending years debunking the governments RAF (red Army Faction) fables.

He's also persuing the

He's also persuing the claims that Joscher Fischer, the German Foreign Minister, was instantly aware of the truth behind the attacks, hence Germany's staunch refusal to get behind The US in subsequent actions.

Able, you say that jack

Able, you say that jack white is nonsense? why? because he pointed out that a vehicle was one color in some photos and substituted with a vehicle of a different color in other photos of the same location? you've said on more than one occasion that jack white's photo studies are nonsense and I ask you why every time, yet you never say.

I have said many times that

I have said many times that White has no concept of perspective among many other serious problems. He analyses, if that's the word, photos to the exclusion of everything else. He thinks the moon landing was faked.

The car may have changed color due to the fire or maybe it had foam sprayed on it. Why on earth would they have swapped it and what would it prove even if they did?

who cares what he thinks of

who cares what he thinks of the moon landing? he analyses photos to the exclusion of all else? that's probably why it is called photo studies. here's a page showing an suv next to a car. jack white shows us that both vehicles have been replaced with other vehicles in subsequent photos.

what would it prove even if

what would it prove even if they did?

it would prove that the pentagon photos were staged. and it would seem to point out that the pentagon photo stagers are either incompetent or they think that the public are fools.

About the "history isn't

About the "history isn't history unless it's the truth." That's interesting, but unfortunately not the way governments and leaders have operated in history. They rise to power to control history, and use politics to influence reality of their times. Period. This also includes the Bible passages, rewritten by Roman Emperor Contantine. Written history has historically involved the powerful victors rewritting reality to suit their political objectives. If you can't accept this as the truth of what they do, that's a problem. The reason is that what really happened is lost forever because no one really knows unless you were there. That's why powerful people know how important it is to rewrite history and that is what has happened since the birth of civilization. The Ancient Egyptians did it especially, they all rewrote history and omitted relevant facts.