I listened to this last night, and I have to give credit to Dylan & Co. for not falling for Eric's Zionist Zionist Zionist bullshit.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who actively seeks to discredit the information known about the Holocaust is a Nazi sympathizer.

Why would you even question it?

I mean... look at some of these photos...

http://history.grand-forks.k12.nd.us/ndhistory/LessonImages/Sources/Pict...
http://www.holocaust-history.org/hungarian-photos/jpg/12-1141.jpg

Can anybody help me recollect something that escapes my mind right now.

Norman Mineta's testimony places Cheney in the control bunker before the plane crashed into the Pentagon.

Mineta's testimony was omitted from the 9/11 commission final report but what did the final report say about Cheney in the control bunker? Was he there after or before the Pentagon plane crash as Mineta's testimony suggests?

Thanks

www.cooperativeresearch.org: Cheney arrived at the PEOC by 9:10am

Mineta Testimony: Cheney already present upon arrival at 9:20am

Pentagon hit the Pentagon: 9:37am

IMO, Hufschmidt wrote a very good 9/11 book & made a great video. But the guy looses credibility in that he's pathologically fixated on Jews. (He doesnÂ’t even differentiate between fanatical Zionists & ordinary Jewish people.) I'm not even Jewish, and he offends me greatly with this b.s.

you guys should really consider combing through last nights episode of Nightline, there were some very interesting qoutes that you might want to isolate.

Listening to this conversation was theraputic. This is the conversation I always wish I could have had with Eric Hufshmid. Dylan does a great job of questioning Eric's assumptions and defending himself without any name calling or cheap shots. Just an open and honest conversation.
Its all very interesting.....I have a much greater respect for Dylan and company and their grasp of all the 911 issues.

Yeah, what the hell happened to this guy? Painful Deceptions is very clear and academic and one of the crucial tools for educating people. Then you go on his site and he has earrings of people falling out of the towers, or some such nonsense.

Of course we have to study the Mossad's role in all of this, but his approach seems a calculated attempt to divide the truth community. He's a tool and that's why he's the one Penn focused on his hit piece. He's right there with Jeff Rense and David Icke.

Let's stick with the cold scientists, Wood, Griffin, Jones, et al.

Science will win the day.

sorry eric, but i dont really care at this point if it was all done by jews because if it was then it was done by american jews in high places....

i lost a lot of respect for eric yesterday... ask jon, i used to stick up for him all the time... HAHAH!! things change...

Great letter "as is" Alex.

Good luck.

FYI... here is Norman Mineta's complete testimony... tucked deep away within the 9/11 Commission's website...

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_20...

"I didn't know about the order to shoot down. I arrived at the PEOC at about 9:20 a.m."

If there was a shoot-down order at that time, then why wasn't 77 shot down?

"sorry eric, but i dont really care at this point if it was all done by jews because if it was then it was done by american jews in high places....

i lost a lot of respect for eric yesterday... ask jon, i used to stick up for him all the time... HAHAH!! things change..."

I used to be friends with the guy... How do you think I feel? Betrayed, etc...

Yet another boldfaced lie: All but a few of those passengers on AA77 have been identified by DNA.

How the hell did they obtain DNA samples from the people who slammed the Pentagon at 530 mph???
YouÂ’re telling me that the plane was reduced to unrecognizable fragments, but they could ID the passengers???
Any dubiously remaining DNA wasnÂ’t damaged, degraded, destroyed & obliterated, by the extremes such as the severe impact, explosion, & fire???
They were able to extract & separate DNA from whatever medium, (cement, metal, brick, etc.) from which it was supposedly withdrawn???
It wasnÂ’t totally commingled with everyone elseÂ’s DNA???
It wasnÂ’t ruined & washed away by the fire hoses & chemical foam sprayed all over it???

LetÂ’s face it folks, they didnÂ’t ID any passengers at the Pentagon!!!

I just got this from the DOT...

Dear DOT Customer:

Thank you for contacting the Department of Transportation. Your email has been forwarded to the National Transportation Library Reference Service in the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. This is to acknowledge that we received your email message on May 4 2006 11:03AM. Your tracking number for this inquiry is 473696 .

We strive to answer each question we receive by referring you to the web page, publication, or person who can answer your question. We try to respond within two business days, however, we are currently experiencing technical difficulties, so our responses may be delayed slightly.

Sincerely,

Reference Services
National Transportation Library
Bureau of Transportation Statistics
Research and Innovative Technology Administration
U.S. Department of Transportation

Anonymous,
What would Barry Scheck do to that DNA chain of custody?

Anyone know where i Can find documentation on what secret service operating procedure is (an official document stating such)...

I wanted to use the bush goat video in combination with this text...

also, has anyone seen this video ?

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?videoUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fvp.video....

VIDEO: Mineta's testimony ("Do the orders still stand?")
http://tyrannyalert.com/hamilton.wmv
http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=Norman%20Mineta

Protect the President.

I just reread Minetta's testimony to the 9/11 commission. On the issue of the young man (whom incidentally, Minetta doesnt recall) receiving instructions from Cheney that the order still stood. What bugs me is that he refers to the plane heading towards the pentagon, its 50 miles out...40 miles out etc. Surely the obvious question is how did they know it was heading towards the pentagon. I reside in the UK, have only visited Washingon once, and correct me if i am wrong, but isnt congress, the white house and the pentagon all within a couple of miles of each other. How the hell did they know that when the plane was 50 miles out it was heading for the pentagon.

http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/protection.shtml

"After the assassination of President William McKinley in 1901, Congress directed the Secret Service to protect the President of the United States."

Did they do everything they could to protect the President while America was "under attack"?

I'm sorry to say that Eric Hufschmidt is hardly the only one espousing such views who is involved in the 911 truth movement. In almost every venue I visit I see more and more of this stuff. It's like every neonazi in the world is jumping on the bandwagon. And I also see a lot of people using questions about 911 to deny every act of Arab/muslim terrorism that has ever taken place. Guy's you have to admit it. Once you start saying that the truth isn't what it seems, and every reality is subject to question, you open up the floodgates. The only way to keep from going nuts is to set up some basic ground rules for assessing anyone's claims. But the disinfo agents take advantage and flood the boards.

Here's an example of the crap I was talking about:

The end game strategy

The purpose of our quest:
Terminating the perpetual Holocaust

By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net

for B-r and Maisoon

"The minute you let her under your skin, then you begin to make it better."
— The Beatles, Hey Jude

"Anyone who criticises Israel's actions or argues that pro-Israel groups have significant influence over US Middle East policy," the authors have written, "...stands a good chance of being labelled an anti-Semite. Indeed, anyone who merely claims that there is an Israeli lobby runs the risk of being charged with anti-Semitism ... Anti-Semitism is something no-one wants to be accused of." This is strong stuff in a country where - to quote the late Edward Said - the "last taboo" (now that anyone can talk about blacks, gays and lesbians) is any serious discussion of America's relationship with Israel.
— Robert Fisk, Breaking the Last Taboo,
The United States of Israel

The woman I love speaks of the need for "an end game," something that will begin to resolve this cancerous impasse that separates spin from reality and gives us wars for profit and misery for all those not on the inside of the big money game.

She more than I knows that the Jewish question — and its manipulative influence on every aspect of human endeavor — is the pivot point of any possible solution. The actual Jewish question is simply this: How dangerous is it for everybody else when one group, acting only in the interests of itself because this is its stated goal — gains ascendance over every other group when this stated goal is the destruction or subjugation of every other group?

How dangerous is it? Just look at the world.

The epiphany that triggers the "end game" investigation is realizing that this calculated ascendance has already happened, and that the preponderance of people in the world are ruled by the vicious mercy of those who control the money. If you have any question about who controls the money then you are deficient in history, as is most of the worldÂ’s human population.

The necessity for "an end game" strategy, she told me, was to avoid a worldwide Jewish holocaust — a new, real one, not like the fake, old one — because once everybody found out what was really going on — and what had been done to them and those they love — every Jew anywhere would be in very serious trouble. The backlash when you realize the monstrous magnitude of the manipulation and the thievery — not to mention the outright senseless slaughter — would be chilling.

Now, you may ask, what have Jews done to deserve such rancor and alarm?

The answer depends on how much of the story you think you know — how much of the history of destabilized societies (think Bolshevik Revolution, a wholly Jewish enterprise), of gaining control of other religions (think Scofield Bible and Martin Luther, not to mention those televangelists who profane their pulpits), and think most relevantly about who presently dominates world wide media.

Do you know about Palestine, really? Jewish media flipped the labels: the real story is Palestinian freedom fighters and Jewish terrorists. Israel is a “country” founded on terror and maintained in the same way.

Most importantly, remember this. Use of the word "holocaust" triggers a pre-programmed response in everyone, due to four decades of intense propaganda about the abuse of Jews by Germans. The dumbed-down American populace (you know! the bunch that accepts torture as part of democracy) now fully endorses the fabricated Jewish media view of the events of World War II, even though it was principally invented and embellished in the 1960s. The mainstream accounts of the Holocaust are so phony that many countries controlled by Jews have passed laws making it illegal to even discuss these matters as a way to stifle the debate, maintain the mindset, and conceal the fraud.

Yet a majority of the world's people — especially savvy politicians who realize what it takes to get ahead — accept this fiction as the cost of doing business. It is called selling your soul.

The dead children of Palestine and the radioactive families of Iraq are an acceptable cost of doing business to the creeps who push the buttons and drop the bombs — all of them guilty of genocide under the terms of Nuremburg and Geneva. At whose behest were these crimes committed? That is the question everyone in the world needs to ask.

Remember? When Poppy Bush told reporter Sarah MacClendon: "If people really knew what we're doing, they'd drag us out into the streets and hang us." This is the future each Jew faces when the general public finally learns what has been done to them over time by a small group which, through control of money and media, has finally managed to turn the society of humans into a fluoride-numbed herd of programmable consumers with consciences permanently anesthetized.

Those who would defend the Hebrew tribe would counter: It has always been this way. Why blame Jews?

Because Judaism and its unnatural offspring Christianity and Islam are at the center of all this turmoil back to time immemorial. And because today, Jewish money controls all of the banks and newspapers in the entire Western world, at least through advertising pressure, but principally by actual ownership.

The answer would be (and the knowledge every member of the tribe seeks to conceal) that "yes, it has always been this way", is precisely BECAUSE OF the history of the tribe, which even in the days before Babylon was establishing itself as a divisive force in ancient India before it brought the scourge of religious mind control into the palaces of Western civilization. Now we see it clearly in the depleted uranium dust now wafting around the world as America strangles itself for the profit of its Jewish overlords.

The report by Walt and Mearsheimer referred to by Robert Fisk at the top of this essay was a recent brouhaha created for media consumption to test the public's perception of Israel's rule of the United States. Now, of course, Israel doesn't rule the United States, the Jewish community that lives in the U.S. and supports Israel rules the United States.

The Walt-Mearsheimer report merely restates the obvious: that no one gets elected to Congress without Jewish support. Thus we have a one-sided view of events in the world which is shaped by bought-off legislators and reinforced by media, all controlled by the Jewish community.

Public response to these conclusions has been muted and in fact barely heard as big media has stifled its dissemination except in some obvious cases of character assassination, principally by Alan Dershowitz and other kneejerk Jewish spin doctors.

The public can't understand the events of the world because virtually all the information disseminated about it is controlled by Jewish partisans, from twisted schoolbooks to dangerous medical myths to popular movies that denigrate the family and promote irresponsible promiscuity and betrayal.

Worse, otherwise principled news outlets are intimidated not run stories germane to this critical theme because of potential and inevitable losses to their profitmaking future.

And principled historians who attempt to point out the fraud of this Jewish Holocaust mystique remain moldering in European jails, imprisoned for "defaming the memory of the dead." Free speech crushed under the Jewish media heel.

What will happen when everybody finds out about Jewish control of medicine through the invention of psychology? Or how the American family system was undermined and destroyed by Jewish media and a wholly Jewish womenÂ’s liberation movement? What will happen when everybody finds out that America's higher educational system is now completely controlled by those who control the thoughts of those young malleable minds it molds? And feeds them fatal drugs as it does so.

How do we stop this madness? By identifying what is being done to us, and who is doing it.

When the world does that (IF the world ever does that), then Jews will certainly need protection from the surviving irate victims of the harm they have done with their selfish social engineering schemes.

But the alternative to considering potential "end game" strategies is even worse.

It means we will never find out who we really are, or what kind of world we really live in. It means a perpetual future of semi-conscious slavery, with no chance of transcending the controls that diminish our lives.

It means we give up the last chance weÂ’ll ever have to attain genuine, self-actualized freedom, because every single second and every single cell in our bodies will have been taken over and polluted by the forces of evil now running the world.

And if you donÂ’t believe that, just sit back and listen to the bombs until itÂ’s your turn to cry.

John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the Gulf Coast of Florida. “Recipe for Extinction,” his latest collection of Internet essays which are seen on hundreds of websites around the world, is now available for purchase at http://www.johnkaminski.com/

See also Barbra-renée Brighenti’s “The End Game”
http://www.warfolly.com/articles/endgame.html
which contains the ideas that motivated my commentary.

As the Holocaust Revisionists uproot the tree of guilt and entitlement, as South America calls attention to the IMF and thus the 13 jewish families of the Federal Reserve, as the Arab Street wakens, as Iran points out the hypocrisy of the jewish stranglehold, as the bloggers challenge the manufactured lies of history-we are seeing a revolution, even in our darkest hours, know that the rumble in the distance is the herd rousing. Gandhi told the British to go home; can we tell the jews the same?

The End Game (edited version)

By Barbra-renée Brighenti
realtor44@comcast.net

4-30-06

There are voice

Jon, I received the same "technical difficulties" e-mail in reply to my Mineta inquiry. I almost wonder if their e-mails are screened for key 911 phrases, in which case the system automatically spits out the "technical difficulties" reply? :)

Not EVERYTHING is a Conspiracy. ;)

Unless of course you want to end up like Mr. Hufschmid.

Yet another boldfaced lie: All but a few of those passengers on AA77 have been identified by DNA.

Ironically I think it was in a segment of the Hufschmid video you can see at reopen911.org, where he proposes how that worked. Suggests the real plane (77) was landed in cleveland, passengers all killed and bodies mutilated/burned, then bodies were transfered to Maryland (??- he says they were moved more than once, I'd have to watch it again) and honest gummit morticians identified them all, knowing none the better.

Check out the video segment here:
http://www.reopen911.org/pictures_and_videos.htm

Some of the comments herein re the evils of "holocaust denial", from otherwise good posters, perfectly illustrates how effective TPTB have been in shaping the sheeple's minds with that particular meme; through media, movies, faux righteous indignation from the ADL, and vigorous repetition & consistency (once TPTB finally, decades later, settled on an official version of events and victim numbers).

Reminds me of how some sheeple stubbornly believe in the Official 9/11 Fairy Tale, and the warrenterra hoax...

Are we "9/11 Deniers" for questioning the 9/11 OCT? Well that's what an empty meme "Holocaust Denier" is WRT asking questions about the official version of the Holocaust.

Is it "holocaust denial" to point out that evidence suggests more strongly that between 500K and 2M Jews were murdered? Because it does. In the couple decades after WW2, the official number of Jews murdered kept going up, to the current 6M meme.

The Zionists (inc. the neocons) are about systematic Machiavellian deception and secrecy, from top to bottom.

The false flag ter'st attack, designed to generate sympathy for the "perpetually victimized" people of Israel, is also their stock and trade. It gives Israel righteous cover for their own Palestinian Holocaust agenda; and now in cahoots with their big dumb US Military beast of burden, a broader Islamic World Holocaust.

When you see Palestinian kids throwing rocks, that's real. That's all they're capable of from their de facto concentration death camp. When there's a glamorous suicide bomber who blows up a busload of Israeli useless eaters (never anyone important of course), and the global jewsmedia covers it wall to wall generating support for Israel, that's another Mossad false flag ter'st attack. After all, qui bono? The Palestian cause? Yeah, sure as "Osama won a big victory for Islam with his 911 attacks, really striking a blow to the Great Satan & pushing forward the interests of Muslim countries"... pfft.

Yet, no one here smells a rat WRT the official Holocaust story-- no one dares ask, qui bono? For, to do so, could land you in jail-- unlike any other aspect of history, religion, politics etc which we're free to openly question without threat of the State locking us up. Hmmmm.

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very goodÂ…Â….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

Whatever, HoHo. Just take the Holocaust-denial garbage to some neo-Nazi board where it belongs. This is a 9/11 Truth Forum.

So HiHo... you're saying that if only 500K - 2M jews died, that's acceptable?

$2M and one is unacceptable, but any number beneath that is ok.

And that relates to 9/11 Truth in what way?

I think I'll take out Schindler's List tonight, and watch it... I mean, it's entertainment right?

You know... Hitler wasn't that bad a guy.

I'm glad that the Bush family financed him, and I think it's a shame that they took him out. The world would certainly be a better place today if he had lived. A eutopian society without any jews.

Because you know... jews aren't people.

And all of them are involved in a criminal conspiracy. Every last one of them. Including me.

Hitler was very fond of Harvard's marching band. He was also a budding artist. One could also assume that he was sexually screwed up.

welcome to the jon gold comments page!

hey jon, how about 1 thought out comment, not 8 one liners ;)

"welcome to the jon gold comments page!

hey jon, how about 1 thought out comment, not 8 one liners"

Ok. Hitler rules!

gold, you can call me a retard but i understand where hiho is coming from....

i like facts and i dont think we know all there is to know about what really happened during ww2...

i think there is a big difference between 2 mill and 6 million... i have no idea if that is true but if it is then isnt that a problem???

i guess i find it funny when people are attacked because they dont see something in the same light as others...

I guess the difference between me and HiHo is that I can see where there might have been cooperation between U.S. and Israeli intelligence in allowing 911 to happen without attributing that to a global Jewish domination conspiracy. If Jews were as brutal and all-powerful as s/he claims, why would they be scrapping with the Arabs for 60 years over a tiny sliver of the Middle East? Why wouldn't they control a few Middle Eastern countries that sit on the oil?

Nice movie!

meh, CNN's coverage of the heckling is disgusting:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/04/rumsfeld.ap/index.html

FYI: Here's an email exchange between me and a Duke University professore who was recenlty profiled in the New York Times.

Professor Petroski:

I am a native New Yorker, and I just read the impressive profile of your work in todayÂ’s New York Times. My father and uncle were both physics teachers, and I studied architecture and engineering in college. In light of your statements in the article about engineering advances being based largely on learning from failures, I am requesting your opinion on the events of September 11, 2001. I find it hard to believe that based on the official explanation for the collapses of WTC Towers 1 and 2, they managed to fall at near free-fall speeds into their footprints. Furthermore, I have seen no official explanation for how WTC Building 7, which was not hit by any planes, collapsed in a similar manner. In fact, the NIST report has not yet given a final thesis for how Building 7 collapsed. When they released their report, they left out Building 7, and promised an addendum, which has never been released.

I find the lack of interest in how Building 7 collapsed astonishing, considering the magnitude of the failure, and the potential consequences for future building design. In addition, it appears that steel and other material from the site was sold for scrap before a full analysis of the collapses was completed.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I am deeply troubled by what I have seen so far.

Mr. ________

I am not as current as you on the status of reports on the WTC collapses, but I can assure you that within the structural engineering community there is a great deal of interest in the mechanism of how WTC 7 collapsed. That building burned for almost a day, as I recall, before collapsing. Though a major skyscraper in its own right, WTC 7 did not capture the general news space that the Twin Towers did. They were simply the bigger news story. However, I have seen many references to the importance of understanding how and why WTC 7 fell in the technical literature.

Sincerely,

Henry Petroski

Beating About The Bush? Not With Hersh

By Robert Fisk

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12928.htm

His own lecture was frightening. Bush has a messianic vision – and intends to go down in history (probably he has chosen the right direction) as the man who will have “saved” Iran. “So we’re in a real American crisis ... we’ve had a collapse of congress ... we have had a collapse of the military ... the good news is that when we wake up tomorrow morning, there will be one less day (of Bush). But that is the only good news.”

This is an ex-zionist's testimony about how bankers have controlled history. Please read this if you care about the future of america.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

So Petrosky says he's not informed, that WTC 7 burned all day long ( very hot hot fires, eh? ) and there were huge discussions in the "structural engineering community", but fails the same time to present facts or names?

My guess: he never heard of it before...

Sitting-Bull:

The kicker is that the article talked about how Petrosky has written books on how engineers learn from failures. I just found this item on the Duke University web site. It looks like they posted the opinions of several professors within a week of the attacks:

News Tips: Duke Faculty Analyze Tuesday's Terrorist Attacks

Henry Petrosky
civil engineering professor
Henry Petrosky, a Duke civil engineering professor who has written books and articles about the structural failure of bridges and buildings, said of the collapse of the World Trade Towers: "I was stunned by the fact that both towers collapsed. The sequence that I've seen on television is that one tower was hit by an airplane relatively close to the top. And the fire started. There was probably a lot of jet fuel to keep the fire going and to burn pretty hot. And then while that was going on, there was a second airplane that hit the other tower, but much lower down. I couldn't tell how far down relative to the height of the building, but significantly lower than the other one. And so another fire is burning there.

"What's happening is that the steel columns are being heated up by this fire by a significant amount. Buildings like that are built so they can withstand fire, but not indefinitely. The idea, of course, is that the fire either will burn itself out or cool off before there is any structural damage. In this case, with all the jet fuel, my guess is that the fire began to soften the steel and as that happens the steel can't bear the load of what's above it, of course. And that's why the building that was hit second probably collapsed first, ... because there was more weight over the fire area, the steel is softening and there is this great weight of the top of the building bearing down on it. Eventually these columns are going to buckle and as one column gives way, the next one has to take more load and it can't because it's also been softened. Once the chain reaction begins, there is virtually no stopping it. And we saw the buildings on TV collapsed pretty much vertically, as in one of those controlled demolitions."

Petroski can be reached at (919) 489-9416.

it was norman minetta who issued the no guns in the cockpit order

prior to 9-11 pilots at least had a choice of whether or not to fly armed

this plus watching the a-3 slam into the pentagon tells me he had prior knowledge of the 9-11 war crimes

I will try to do my part in pulling this thread back on the 911 track. Both Jon G. and I have written Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta regarding his 911 Commission testimony (see previous posts). If anyone on this board feels inclined to contact him as well, here is the info.
Feel free to cut and paste my previously posted letter with whatever changes you'd like:

Sec. of Transportation Norman Mineta
WEB ADDRESS: http://www.emailthepresident.com/transportation.html
E-mail: dot.comments@ost.dol.gov
Address:
Department of Transportation
400 7th St., SW
Washington, DC 20590

Nice work, Gothamite.
It seems that Prof. Petroski is evading your question re: WTC-7. Even his opinion on the towers a week after the attack is very slapdash: "Buildings like that are built so they can withstand fire, but not indefinitely"... BUT 56 MINUTES, SIR?

IMO, Petroski does not want to get involved in this, despite the fact that it's his field of expertise. I wonder what he's scared of?

Sick! Why are the LC guys even talking with that guy? distgusting.
on his website he is describing jews as cockroaches . He is full of hate for everything and everyone.
During a 9/11 event here in Berlin he even freaked out about graffiti on the trains.

Heiner Buecker:

Can you link us to this "on his website he is describing jews as cockroaches" thing?

I have never read anything by David Icke but last night I watched pts 1 and 2 of "The Secrets of the Matrix" from June 2003 and I thoroughly enjoyed it. When he brought up shapeshifting in pt3 I turned it off to go to bed.

Eric H's Painful Deceptions Video was one of the first videos I would show to people, and I thought it was very well done (better than LC2E in my opinion).

However, everyone has an agenda, and we must understand that, though we might not agree with the agenda.

When will we put aside our differences and finally embrace a joint effort, rather then faction off and spend our time infighting?

Isn't that just what THEY want?

Incidentally, for anyone unfamiliar with where Hufschmid has migrated over the years, and why he's become critical of virtually every Truth Seeker who's not him or Daryl Bradford Smith ( www.iamthewitness.com ), here's a couple articles summarizing:

Hufschmid: "Investigate the Truth Seekers"
http://www.erichufschmid.net/InvestigateTheTruthSeekers.htm

DBS: "The Official 9/11 Theory is Collapsing"
http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_911_Timeline.html

Huf and DBS are basically down on everyone who's not them:
Phil Berg, Mike Berger (and everybody else in 911truth.org), Bob Bowman, Gabriel Day, Jim Hoffman, Gerard Holmgren, Phil Jayhan, Alex Jones, Jeff King (aka plaguepuppy), Nicholas Levis, Wayne Madsen, Scott Makufka (aka Victor Thorn), Kurt Nimmo, Jenna Orkin, Lisa Pease, Eric John Phelps, Jeff Rense, Mike Ruppert, Karl Schwarz, Rick Siegel (911eyewitness.com), Greg Szymanski, Webster Tarpley, Frank Whalen (RBN radio host)

I just noticed that Huf has a page up discussing this phone debate. It apparently took place 4/24:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html

At the bottom of that page, Huf adds,

If you don't know much about the Holocaust, try these articles:

http://www.EricHufschmid.net/Conspiracies12.htm

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Holocaust.html

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05...eld-called-out/
rumsfeld heckled by ray mcgovern?
anonymous

Go Ray! Go!!!!!!
Now thats activism!!!!
Why not find out where Minetta will be in public and ask him these questions directly?

I also noticed that the CNN coverage did not mention his group, 'Intelligence Vetrans For Sanity". It made him look like a lone wolf, and he's not.
If 911 is ever going to be publicly exposed, it will be because of an inside whistle blower who comes forward because of the encouragement and environment that Ray and his group have created.

Our job is to create the environment of open skeptism about 911in the general public, so that when he/she comes out, the media will have to cover the whistle blower's accusations and not be silenced or ignored.

Our 911 research will be crucial in providing the base of support for looking seriously at these accusations.....a real but limited public debate will start.....others will come out and the tide will turn.

I hope. ..And on this beautiful spring day, I am full of hope and determination to let the sun shine on all of the dark and forbidden corners of of our corrupt government, starting with 911.

I'll keep my feet anchored in the moist ground of reality, but when that sun is shining and the soil is moist.....anything can grow.

Huf and DBS are basically down on everyone who's not them:
HiHo

Great way to start an open and honest debate about 911 and create a popular movement for the Truth, don't you think?

RP...

Ray McGovern

Thanks Jon
Its a great collection, I've read just about all of them before but I will definately send some others to it.
If you look closely at Ray's public progression in his essay's and interviews you can get a good feel for what is going on behind the curtains of our government, the changing climate there, and the best approach to getting someone, ......anyone, to blow that big whistle we've all been waiting for.

Eric Hufschmid - quotes on jews from his website:
It reminds me of the way cockroaches immediately begin eating one another when one of them dies

None of the books or movies about the Holocaust are serious; --- they try to stimulate pity of Jews and hatred of Nazis.__________ The Holocaust stories are attempts to manipulate, not educate.

The Jews are simply exploiting the suffering and death of their fellow Jews. __________-
The moment a Jew suffers or dies, the other Jews look for ways to exploit the situation. It reminds me of the way cockroaches immediately begin eating one another when one of them dies._____---- )

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/hufschmid/WhoBlewUpWTC.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/hufschmid/index.html

These pages are also at My AOL site. http://members.aol.com/erichuf/index.html

Here Hufschmid also links to Christopher Bollyn - American Free Press - unfortunately frequently quoted in LC2

Bollyn has a lot of interesting stuff on his website
toplinked Barnes Review which s.t. before even had same postal adress

Bollyn or The American Free Press prominently links "The Barnes Review," a holocaust denial site some featured articles:

Adolf Hitler: An Overlooked Candidate for the Nobel Prize
www.barnesreview.org//Nobel_Prize/nobel_prize.html

and an article by By SS Gen. Leon Degrelle
Nuremberg: In the National Socialist Mind
http://www.barnesreview.org//June_2004/Nuremberg/nuremberg.html

Barnes Review also offers a variety of holocaust denial literature

Wow, I didn't think there really was a holocaust denial movement out there these days. Really fucking pathetic, when the crux of modern 9/11 is condeming 9/11 as the neocons Reichstag, NOT advocating these hateful fringe theories.

Then again, I do remember an iamthewitness interview with Morgan Reynolds, and the hold kept yacking on and on about Jew this, Jew that...and Reynolds was like 'dude, wtf?'(not exact words, but)

THANK GOD the majority of 9/11 truth
laughs at the holocaust deneirs and the "Jew" obsessed idiots out there.
Also, why would neo nazis want to deny the holocaust? Arent they proud of Hitler's work? And why would neo nazis want to latch onto 9/11 truth...when the nazis would want to use 9/11 to bash all Arabs. Fucking insanity, and it was painful to hear that interview.

There is no nexus between the Holocaust and 9/11. Disinfo artists are trying to malign all those who question the "Official Story" as nuts who also question the Holocaust. Don't fall for it.

Seems like there's two Eric Hufschmids. One is a very good 9/11 truther, & the other is an anti-Semitic kook. I guess he can't the 2 separate.

I'm neither German nor Jewish, but how would Herr Hufschmid like it if I started spouting that ALL Germans are responsible for WWI & WWII??? Or that ALL Germans are Nazis??? Or that NO Germans can be trusted because THEY start world wars???

you guys seem real smart...

but i got to tell you the ultimate smoking gun that proves that mossad was involved in the 911 shock and awe campaign.

on 9-12 ---mossad agents were caught red handed (with bombs)trying to blow up the mexican natl parliament building--mexican police stopped them

google this---it was in the news
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it is not anti semitic to say that certain elements of mossad were involved along with the cheney cabal in a 911campaign that included the wtc attack,anthrax attack, and attempted mexican natl parliament bombing

i had to really deal with this because i am not a racist

gradually we can have those people arrested too

roadkill:

just look at the countries that have benefitted and there should be little doubt that Israel had something to do with it...

By the way, don't most Jews dislike Israel and Zionism?
http://jewsagainstzionism.com/

actually the date that they caught the attempted bombers was 10-10-01

Let me once again finish the discussion with a few final words.

- Jews were murdered by Nazis just like communists and travelling people. The reason was less to do with what the victims were, it was the delusion of the murderers, the black shirts. This group had religious-like ideology. There were a multitude of fake myths that they were exposed to. But the reasons their murdered was not the myths, it was in themselves. They were brainwashed to become wiling executioners, not unlike the brainwashing in the US military.

Its a combination of POVERTY DRAFT (the circumstance force you) and FALSE HONOUR (the uniform you wear).

To say that JEWS directed this sorry lot of people to become crazed murderers is false.

If anything the conspiracy can be found in the LOGIC OF MONEY, the essence of capitalism itself. If you now think of STALIN and Gulags, you can understand what a SECRET POLICE can do.

Germany was a democracy before Hitler, and the reason for Germans becomeing willing jew-murderers was CAPITALISM (the equivalent of brutal force under Stalin) and BRAINWASHING... I am not sure how much that went on under Stalin.

In any case the combination of hopelessness (bad economy myth, embedded media), poverty (capitalism) and brainwashing (CIA, think tanks) can achieve practically any outcome they wish.

Now,

WHO WISHES?

Well, thats not jews, or jew bankers or even jewish state of israel...

It is the people who control the above three things:

Hopelessness = the UNDEMOCRATIC media corporations

Poverty = the UNDEMOCRATIC Banks and finance whackos.

Brainwashing = the UNDEMOCRATIC spook-murderers.

Now, the same crowd did 911 ... because its BIG BUSINESS.

The MOST IMPORTANT thing for you , the reader, is to realise that even when 911 comes out and NeoCons are hanged ... THE UNDEMOCRACTIC INSTITUTIONS (Media, Banks, spooks/military) must be made democratic, too. Otherwise you have a little housecleaning and the mould returns.

with regards to Hufschmid:

What do you expect from someone who hates the free LINUX operating system. He needs the Microsoft conspiracy to make money... in the same way he needs a jewish conspiracy to justify his being.

He'll come right... give him time.

DHS

On the same vein, look at this very telling video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY&search=zionism

This is for anyone to see that there's a problem with zionism. You'll see Jews protesting against Zionism and be insulted by a Jew passerby who go even as far as labelling them Anti-Semites !

Listen carefully also when the rabbi says 'So called Holocaust'. Although he's not saying that it's a myth, I think he is perfectly aware that the holocaust story is the central piece of the Zionism movement and why they are protecting it at every expense.

Truth doesn't need laws to protect it.

that video could be a plant, but the opposition is always the same.

name calling, emotion-card playing jerks.

fact is:

whenever it has to do with JEW, ISRAEL it is a problem.

Look, Israel and the jews are such small group of people, they rule only if we let them... same with any other small crowd.

DEMOCRACY means the INFORMED majority rules. As it should be.

zionism Schmeionism... all bullshit.

THE DOLLAR RULES!

The truth in this FREEDMAN speach is that MONEY RULES. Like all good propaganda it is based on a modicum of truth.

forget the JEW thing is not worth the trouble.

Concentrate on the

Joint Chiefs of Staff.

They did it.

Gothamite,

can you provide links to "Duke faculty analyze...". Also did you read the last sentence:

"And we saw the buildings on TV collapsed pretty much vertically, as in one of those controlled demolitions."

Isn't he saying clearly that it was done with explosives?

This is a great topic for discussion.

It seems to me that structural engineering community has either ignored the implications of the official story and continues to design buildings like it has for the last 50 years, or it has modified its methods accordingly.

Has the community changed its methods, as reflected by numerous post-9/11 articles, conferences, and textbooks?

My theory is that this community knows explosives where used, does nothing differently in how it designs new buildings, but refuses to publicly say it for its obvious ramifications.

Nuggest:

Sorry I'm getting back to this so late. If you are still checking this thread, the link is here:

http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2001/09/terror0901_print.htm

after this thread yesterday i went and talked with my middle eatern friends what they thought...

i asked them how many jews died in ww2 and they said about 500,000 and no more then 1 million... when i told them that most americans think that the number in more like 6 million they started laughing out loud... they told me that that was fucking crazy!!!!

how could the numbers be so off or how do we know the real numbers???

i have a problem with people thinking they know truth just because its been said so many times... why is it so bad to question something???

a lot of americans hate the fact the we dont believe that 911 happened the way the government says...

i like truth no matter where it leads...

Okay, inside. It's good to question things, to make sure statistics are accurate, etc. After all, nothing is written in stone (except the 10 Commandments).

You seem like a feisty guy. Let's put our energy into exposing 9/11 truth, the most compelling issue of our present time. Afterwards, they'll still be plenty of time to debate other aspects of history.

trust me dude, i do,,, ive been talking about 911 for over 3 years now, i think its alright to spend a few hours think about other things....

after finding out the scam of 911 it has made me question many things....

this is the book i read this week.. i have a few friends form Eritrea and i wanted to learn a little about their history... great book but a very sad story... http://www.metacritic.com/books/authors/wrongmichela/ididntdoitforyou

hoffman is a controlled satellite.
averys attack on Alex Jones and stating that there is no NWO agenda is deception.
cleverly done but he will be found out too.
the mugs who perpetrated 9/11 will eventually be held to account.

not impressed by this interview...not sure how it helps the 9/11 Truth movement.