Will someone please videotape this event and distribute the results?

I love it.

Perhaps there should be prizes and paper ballot voting at the event.

Please note that the date was moved to 16 September 2006.
Yes, DHS. It's true. :-)

nice... i hope this really happens...

i'll believe it when i see it...

I'm very skeptical about this. Even if they hold it, will it be fair and balanced with that "seven-member media panel"? I wish I weren't so pessimistic, but what we need is not a DEBATE but a NEW INVESTIGATION damn it. Debates just polarize people who have already chosen sides -- they rarely change people's minds. And, unless the truthers are given a fair shake (and Morgan Reynolds doesn't start talking about no planes), the whole debate could seriously backfire.

it's not going to happen

super excited about this; i couldn't believe it when i saw it on their page about a week ago.

I think the idea of this debate is a beautiful tactical move... straight out of Sir B.H. Liddell-Hart's book "Strategy" and the theory of "alternating objectives".

This will force the government's hand in one way or another... and 9/11 truthers can then react accordingly. They have to "move" in some way, with information, disinformation, further discussion, further action or further cover-up, or risk broad public discussion of some critical elements before the mid-terms.

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Perhaps not enough energy is being placed on looking at the NSA and DOD roles re: 9/11, and the role of the NSA data-mining and surveillance tools...

It may also be of value to consider how these tools are used to insure that the "playing field" in domestic politics has been dramatically made uneven, and the ways in which these tools are used in industrial espionage to benefit the chosen few and shift the odds against those who try to compoete with the chosen few.

This event will not happen. Your crazy if you get your hopes up.

It's simple. There's no way anyone would possibly oppose. This is a clever way to show that WE have the facts on our side and the NeoCons do NOT. Of course it will be avoided by mainstream media like the plague and no one who doesn't already know the truth will hear of it. But it's more ammo for our side.

No doubt, it's an astute tactical move b/c their refusal to participate will speak volumes.

and a seven-member media panel that will monitor the debates and pose questions to the debate team members.

that's their safety net right there; a ready made assurance that nothing of substance will be properly addressed. that being said, GIVE EM HELL JANE DOE!!

Thanks, James Ha!

We're all rooting for you Judy Wood(janedoe). But you can't think the 9/11 Commission will open itself up to defeat. Remember what happened when one of the 9/11 Commissioners was going to be on Showbiz Tonight to debate Webster Tarpley? The segment got killed.

Andy,
This gig won't be canceled if the opposition chooses to not show up. We'll just have more time to present our case! The show will go on... Is there someone here who can help get it televised?

National TV would be a dream come true.

Streaming Video might be a more feasible thought.

Cspan would be a good start.

Even though the debate sounds exciting to me, I just know it won't happen. The bush admin has blocked inquiry into the torture and the nsa spying scandals, so why would they be opened to this one?

Hats off to those who came up with and implemented this idea.

My sister is a high school debate teacher and *this* just may be the event that puts 9/11 squarely on the plate of her young charges.

http://circle.campustap.com/Home.aspx

A challenge has been issued at Harvard with no takers yet. Please help publicize this challenge so that we can expose Harvard as a haven of official theory apologists...

Philosophers and theologians? What expertise do they bring to to the subject?

You know, I am a big Alex Jones fan...but I think he has one thing wrong. When he says the dmeocrats and republicans are controlled by the same groups, that Clinton is a puppet of the new world order...one thing I myself firmly believe in all that:

As of these days, Al Gore is no "puppet" of the globalist elite. As we see Clinton and Hillary sink deeper into the neocon/Bush love bus, Al Gore seems to be going more and more fringe. Remember his fiery polemic speach on MLK day? His new independent documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" comes out soon. And this past weekend on SNL, he opened up with a sketch that to me was up there with Colbert's Roast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHM7iyjMAnw&search=al%20gore%20snl

No, I don't think the globalist elite that control the neocons and a lot of the GOP and democrats would be happy with Gore as president, and thats why it was so crucial to have him lose. Whatever bad stuff he might have known or been in on 92-2000, it's clear to me he's letting his true feelings come out.

This is more fantasy than Oprah discussing 9/11 truth, but imagine...just for one second, that Al Gore went on tv and publicly even gave a "LIHOP" speach. Just imagine that, that'd be huge. The globalists would be flipping out. What does Al Gore even have ot lose these days?

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/14564639.htm

Since Satan's willing servant will be making an appearance in Cleveland today, I thought that Dame Edna should too.

http://www.staticbrain.com/images/damedna.jpg

we should all be lobbying C-Span right now and up until this happens. C-Span has shown in the past that they are more likely to air 9/11 truth related events than the rest of the media. we must MAKE them air this. i cant wait to see who shows up to actually support the governments fairy tale.maybe cousin Chertoff?(who now claims he isnt Micheals cousin by the way). as far as Al Gore goes, even when he was vice president, he was not a typical political insider. he has always been out of the mainstream of the elites.thats one of the biggest reasons the election was stolen from him, because 8 years of Clinton(Tarpley actually believes they tried to kill Clinton, or at least send a strong message when that plane crashed on the White House lawn.remember that anyone?) was bad enough for the globalists, they couldnt take a Gore presidency.Clinton played the game, he didnt rock the boat too much, but he also wasnt willing to stage terrorist attacks and disgusting shit like that.i think they were afraid that Gore may have rocked the boat a bit too much if he would have won.that said, Gore would never speak out about 9/11 truth. he would have done it by now if he was going to do it at all. what does he have to lose? his life.

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Brzezinski calls for direct talks
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/14/iran.nuclear/index.html?sectio...

Yeh, chris, and the commissioners of the kean commission were the same people who pushed for inquiry into bill clinton's sex life with a $40 mil budget (!!!) so Ive wondered if it was an act of blackmailing clinton. I mean, he almost got impeached over trivilized matter that shouldve been kept to his family and collegues.

Dr. Wood, everyone else, thanks for scheduling this, however, I think you should know that the Commissioners have been challenged before, and didn't even dignify the challenge with a response.

Press Releases: Citizens' Watchdog Group Challenges 9/11 Commissioners to Debate

If they don't show up, don't be surprised.

What ever happened to Mark BinghamÂ’s mother? She seemed like an outgoing lady. One would certainly think she would've made all the talk-show circuits having a hero son like that and all.

I guess the Feds couldnÂ’t risk Mrs. Bingham saying the wrong thing during a 60-minute interview with Oprah or Montel, so they gagged her.

Anonymous,

Dylan's "film" has been pillioried far and wide for its errors of ommission and commission.

You can find the debunking on my blog or here:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

...that is until this post is deleted. Wouldn't want the true believers to hear other views...

RP:
We've been in the fight stage for some time now.
DHS

I know we've been fighting for years now, and they have been fighting back with a covert war, which is what 'ignoring' and ' ridiculing' actually is , that is covert warfare.

The quote, and my point, is describing the process of the overt / public fight which can result in real social change and the triumph our cause.
This an opportunity to push this into the overt / public fight stage.

P.S
Hows the 911Facts site going?

I believe that anyone who has any video-production or movie-making skills, should drop everything & make a 9/11 truth video/movie!!!

Look what Avery & his young friends were able to do with merely a laptop & $10,000.
Anonymous | 05.15.06 - 1:05 pm | #

yes i agree!!!! i want to find someone that will take the best pieces from all of the videos and make one that is rock solid...

just to hand out for free... i think its bullshit for people to not want people to copy their dvds and pass them out for free...

I might add:
their focus is not on winning the logical debate, but convincing the audience that it is just too dangerous to accept the conclusions of their rational minds and evidence in the face of unkown and uncontrollable threats to their security.( ie. terrorism..a more recently, .russia and china).

Their focus , like all fascist regimes, is on the manipulation of emotion not logic. They will only offer some symbolic logic that will allow their emotions( mostly fear) a safe haven in which they can avoid the conclusions of the their rational and moral senses.

Note: Important new message from John J. Albenese on the thread for "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime" below!

So, I guess this debate has only one side of debators. And I assume that's the way it will stay, until it's cancelled. Seems pointless to me.

Rad:

I understand your point. In the "EGLS" thread I mentioned to Jon - "this is the "fight you" stage, remember what happens next?"...

as for 911facts.net my friend and I have compiled a good amount of information for our video package, which has a similar theme to EGLS but covers a few other issues...

basically the structure of the video will be "where are we, how did we get here, and where are we going"...

This is one of my favorite pages:
http://www.nsa.gov/coremsgs/corem00003.cfm

Right in our faces. The 4th amendment demands it, ha!

Terrence,

I agree with you on some of your points regarding Loose Change. This, however, does not negate the posibility that 9/11 was a false flag operation.

Terrence:
did you check out EGLS? Maybe you can write up a debunk for it ;-)

Terrence:
did you check out EGLS? Maybe you can write up a debunk for it
DHS | Homepage | 05.15.06 - 3:02 pm | #

HAHA!!! that would be tough.... the film is pretty rock solid....

terrence cant take care of his last tooth, what makes you think he could debunk anything???

pockybot: "What does Al Gore even have ot lose these days?"

lol his life.

As for The National 9/11 Debate, take Morgan "no jets hit the WTC towers, it was holograms covering guided missiles" Reynolds, James "no 757 hit the Pentagon" Fetzer, and Phil Berg the suspected agent/lawyer off of the panel, and it would be an awesome event for presenting factual 9/11 executive, military and intelligence complicity evidence.

As for The National 9/11 Debate, take Morgan "no jets hit the WTC towers, it was holograms covering guided missiles" Reynolds, James "no 757 hit the Pentagon" Fetzer, and Phil Berg the suspected agent/lawyer off of the panel, and it would be an awesome event for presenting factual 9/11 executive, military and intelligence complicity evidence.
- Ø®£Z - | 05.15.06 - 3:18 pm | #

I have a feeling that they will not go into "fringe theories" but instead deal with the facts, documents, testimonies, etc...

I mean that's what I would do.

How do I get tickets to this? I'll buy a Digital Video camera and record this thing if someone gets me a ticket ;-)... for the event and the plane ride ha!

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SiteMonitor here: Rich's version of the truth of 9/11 has nothing to do with your 'truth', which you insist on posting despite the fact that the siteowner has repeatedly said that he will not allow postings of 9/11 conspiracy theories on his site.

There are plenty of websites devoted to examining your 'truth'. Take your posts there. The siteowner has the right to decide the content of his blog. You don't.

And if you haven't figured it out yet, I will continue to delete your posts.

Edited By Siteowner
Anonymous | 05.15.06 - 12:17 am | #

CrooksandLiars.com, still working hard to ignore 9/11. boycott C&L. spread the word about their censorship.

Washington Whispers
By Paul Bedard

5/22/06

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Tampering With the Zapruder Film?

The legions of conspiracy theorists will be buzzing anew this week when a group of assassination pros call for a broader probe into the Nov. 22, 1963, slaying of President John F. Kennedy. Among the new concerns to be documented in a presentation near the White House Monday: possible hanky-panky with the famous Zapruder film--maybe to disguise another shooter--and suggestions that a second brain was used in an autopsy coverup.

Sounds zany, but the players appear legit. Leading the charge is Paul Kuntzler, president of the government transcription contractor Miller Reporting. He thinks the public's trust in Uncle Sam was punctured by the Warren Commission review and believes a new probe will restore it--especially since new info is available. Among those questioning the old evidence: Thomas Lipscomb, founder of Times Books, who was up for a Pulitzer for unveiling discrepancies in Sen. John Kerry's swift-boat record. He looked for continuity flaws in Zapruder by comparing the movie with photos taken at Dallas's Dealey Plaza. One discrepancy: Two women at the slaying site are shown wearing white sneakers when they actually wore black shoes. He's got the Polaroids to prove it. Lipscomb's stuff is so compelling that Fox and ABC are negotiating to buy it. He has no conspiracy theory but thinks the evidence was flawed and needs validation.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/articles/060522/22whisple...

score one for Fetzer........

5000+/- comments by pretend scientists pretending to discuss 911 - now they're referring to the upcoming sept. 911 debate physorg.com
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Chavez: Imprison "Genocidal" Bush

great Chavez comments especially these:

"...Have we had a coup d'etat? Have we used the CIA to kill a president? Have we protected terrorists in Venezuela? That's Bush!"

http://911review.org/Wiki/flight_93_movie.html

nico haupt has an article on rense.com today

at least it was linked to rense

rense, alex jones, and this site are the best for new 9-11 truth articles

It is now confirmed, Loose Change will be shown to 200 members of parlimant on june 14. check LS2E blog for futher info.

'United 93' Promotes 9/11 Govt Conspiracy Theory

1) The movie 'United 93'is based on a myth and lies. 9/11 was an Inside Job.

2) Physical and investigative evidence shows clearly, that there was no shootdown or crash in Shanksville.
3) Debris had been planted in Shanksville, photos put on hold for 4.8 years. There was also lack of green primer on the debris or wasn't anything of ground or grass singed, where the debris had been located.

4) The 2006 cockpit transcript contradicts with the 2002 transcript and the 2001 ATC tape. There are huge discrepancies between what family members heard and Newsweek concluded from reading a transcript

5) The last 3 minutes until the official crash time are still missing

6) The U.S. Government itself orchestrated and penetrated all Sep.11th attacks.

7) Cell phones do not work at high altitude, especially in 2001.

8 ) The timeline of the alleged cell phone calls has inconsistencies and contradictions, also with the cockpit transcripts.

9) The movie claims falsely that passengers killed two of the alleged suspects.

10) The tail number N591UA of the official Flight 93 was noticed during April 2003 on a flight to LA

11) The cockpit recorder, built by Honeywell, had missing front parts.
There should be 25 HOURS of flight data information, complete with timestamps, but this info was never released.

In the original ATC audio tape the pilot is recorded twice within 40 seconds, while the transcript claims, it took 8 (!) minutes until he was able to talk again.

12) The original ATC tape suggests, that the pilot was part of a bomb terror drill crew.

His script "they have met our demands" was later changed into "WE have OUR demands".

13) The bio of some of the passengers is linked with military-, government and high tech companies.

Two of the passengers worked for CENSUS Bureau.

The reason of their trip was not disclosed.

14) The pilot must have spoken in English, as also heard on the ATC tape.

Air traffic Controllers otherwise couldn't have got them translated.

Therefore the claim, that Arab speaking passengers had been in the cockpit, is a bold lie.

15) The credibility of the film crew of the "United 93" movie is under strong dispute, since even their actor Lewis Alsamari has been denied entry to the US to attend the premiere.

http://911review.org/Wiki/flight_93_movie.html

The debate will take place when pigs fly and when hell freezes over!

Debates are nice, but I believe an interesting investigative project would be to acquire the certified death certificates of all passengers since about 80% do not show up in the Social Security Death Index.

http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/

amanda:

people who are receiving death benefits will not show up, and there are a few other issues as well. It'd be interesting if you call the company and see what they tell you.

DHS - You are missing the point. A death certificate is a public document that anyone can ask for. I believe that there will be many death certificates that come back "NO RECORD FOUND" in a complete search.

Amanda:

i understand the point, i was referring to the death index, not the death certificates

you should take up that project and let me know the results. i'd be really interested in that.

I think Mark Bingham should be at the top of the search list along with Todd Beamer.

Domain ID:D77223487-LROR

Domain Name:MARKBINGHAM.ORG

Created On:12-Sep-2001 17:06:44 UTC

registered the day after... that's a little fishy.

The Rythym Of The Heat By Peter Gabriel - Vocal

From the Bush classroom scene. I'm looking for the instrumental version. John told me it's from a movie called, "Birdy".

I e-mailed the site admin about the registration date, he got a little crazy on me. Expected though. I guess he was a friend of Mark's and basically told me the .net was already taken I think, but no the .com. He also made it seem as if they were informed about his death rather quickly.

bush is a liar

registered the day after... that's a little fishy.
Drew M | Homepage | 05.15.06 - 5:51 pm | #

that'd be Daniel Chu, long time friend of Mark Bingham.

I don't know how fishy that is. I mean, if my good friend died tragically on 9/11 I think by the next day I'd have the thought of doing something to commemorate his life.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

http://slumz.boxden.com/image.php?u=93393&dateline=1130972564

@Chris: Why are sites like CrooksandLiars, Smirking Chimp, and all these sites that hate Bush with a virulent fervor so bent on deleting and squashing any remarks regarding questioning the official theory? I mean, when that widow was on msnbc asking for the truth to come out, they posted that clip. It seems many leftgatekeepers DONT want the truth to come out.

This all reminds me of late 2002/early 2003, when so many people left and right would call me a conspiracy kook for saying Bush was lying and making up evidence to get us into war. There was still that blin dpost 9/11 "patriotism"(or, as I say the "shut up and wave a flag" patriotism)
NOW virtually every democrat and even a lot of republicans realize they lied.