Isn't this the same movie we just saw not too long ago in Italian?

Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime

http://www.911closeup.com/

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm

On the subject of foriegn documentaries....
The above is an excellent Dutch docu on the Carlyle Group.( all in english except intro).

A good reminder of how even 911 could be viewed as just 'business as usual' in our twisted military industrial complex.

This is a segment of an italian documentary made some months ago, actually is great and they are just about to release their updated version, that probably will be localized in other languages too, obviously including english.
The website is www.luogocomune.net, it has more than 3000 users (Im among them)and I may ask for further details, so you will be informed about the release: the italian one will be out within weeks.
The old version scored 250.000 downloads, check out the website they use to spread stuff: http://www.arcoiris.tv/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload2&cid... the updated version will be both free downloadable thru the same website I posted right now as the old one, but will be out in newspaper stands and maybe somethin' more (for sure amateur public proiections), to gain the wider audience possible, and to reac those ones who dont use internet to inform theirselves.
And ya know, here in the banana republic the tv is pretty fucked up, do ya remember that short legged godfather, that was recently replaced by the notorious Bilderberg member and former head of the EU Romano Prodi...
I will post again for further details.
Take care all.

My sources tell me...

"msnbc just reported that a new 9/11 video will be released after 1:00 today due to foia requests. i'm pretty sure they said from the pentagon, but i didn't catch the whole thing."

WOOOOO!!!

dz... I'm shaking...

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

Think they already saw it?

Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime

http://www.nypress.com/19/17/news&columns/BretLiebendorfer.cfm

In 2001, Silverstein Properties along with Westfield America won a 99-year lease for most of the WTC complex with a $3.2 billion dollar bid. The deal, a New York City real-estate record, was finalized only seven weeks before 9/11. Silverstein would then take out a record insurance policy. If the timing doesnÂ’t seem suspicious, remember that men have done much worse to gain much less. (What does that mean? Nothing?)

Immediately following 9/11, Silverstein was a media darling and recipient of the world’s sympathy. An aging real-estate king finally reaches the pinnacle of his career when an unforeseen national tragedy brings him to his knees—cheek to cheek with the unwashed masses. At first, his only opposition was a handful of conspiracy theorists that pointed to a slip he made during a 2002 PBS documentary titled America Rebuilds. While talking with a fire commander after 7 World Trade Center caught on fire (allegedly from falling debris), Silverstein said he told him to “pull” the building. In the world of controlled demolition, “pull” means to begin demolition. Silverstein later explained that he meant pull out the fire personell.

(At least Larry keeps to his organization's motto, "By way of Deception make War")

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/ostrovsky.html

"says they are getting them at 1, not releasing them at 1.. just changed the headline.. so i guess they haven't seen them yet."

Can you imagine if it DOES show a missile?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

However, if it doesn't... then what?

do you buy this??? ill believe it when i see it....

kind of odd they are only getting 1 video whereas the guy at flight77.info is requesting 80 or so.. id actually be more interested in what he gets (or doesnt get).. people can argue over 1 video, but 80 or so would have to close the case, whichever way it goes.

"kind of odd they are only getting 1 video whereas the guy at flight77.info is requesting 80 or so.. id actually be more interested in what he gets (or doesnt get).. people can argue over 1 video, but 80 or so would have to close the case, whichever way it goes."

Well, his decision is due on the 26th I think.

About damn time... now all focus can shift to Cheney monitoring flight 77 in real time, and allowing American deaths to needlessly occur + missile batteries not being activated, etc, etc.

They should STILL release all of them.

ya gold, theyre going to release a video of a missile.... jesus..

Rumsfeld´s overlooked blooper 12/24/2004:

DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: And to change that way of living, would strike at the very essence of our country.

And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word "terrorized" is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.

http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/91...s/drlapsus.html

"ya gold, theyre going to release a video of a missile.... jesus.."

And if they release a video of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon?

What government propaganda is being released today?

"ya gold, theyre going to release a video of a missile.... jesus.."

And if they release a video of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon?

STOP
STOP
STOP
STOP

STOP

The Professional... you are right.

So what do you think it will be?

gold, we will all look at it and see if it is fake and if we all think it is real we will move on from there...

do you think that if they show that it was 77 that im going to take my ball and go home...

The Professional, its all good man, i said in the other thread that im not bringing any of that into other threads.. cool?? me and gold can talk its no big deal...

well holy shit.why are the networks not even mentioning this?

They [find a lot] and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them.

--- Donald Rumsfeld.

You can find it with your favorite search engine. The guy plainly said that a missile hit the Pentagon.

I have no doubt that whatever video is released today will come under intense scrutiny by members of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

That missile talk is here:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Nov2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html

just saw it on cnn

CNN reporting on it now.....

"Despite the internet conspiracy sites, WE KNOW that flight 77 did hit the pentagon."!!!

We do know that. You sound terribly upset.

It's the same parking lot security camera footage we have already seen.

fox just reported the video captured a frame every 1/2 second.

"This bunk is designed for retarded people - clearly. LOL"

Your bunk is ending in 25 minutes. Enjoy!

I've have the footage up in a minute.

Of course Gold.

:)

It's just time-wasting speculation for the bored with nothing productive to do. This si a good opportunity for you all to move on.
Kheiron | 05.16.06 - 12:34 pm | #

yes, you should move on.... grown ups are talking here... we cant take you to the park right now...

you are free to go back to your other board and keep posting about "tomcat"...

Who the hell is Kheiron?

very true reprehensor.. unfortunately this pentagon 'conspiracy' is about one of only three points americans have ever heard about..

the important provable stuff wont get mentioned, just the 'racey' stuff that gets the ratings..

Just reported on FNC........

Brett Bair has seen the video already.

As described moments ago on the Fox News Channel: the video comes from a security camera, the frames are separated by a 1/2 second, the nose cone is supposedly visible....

Good point DZ, like publicizing Sheen instead of Jones et. Al ...

" "Despite the internet conspiracy sites, WE KNOW that flight 77 did hit the pentagon."!!!

We do know that. You sound terribly upset.
Kheiron | 05.16.06 - 12:38 pm | # "

We do???? Who has those NTSB traceable parts documents? Who has been hidding them from me? Can you provide me to the link that has this information, because I have not been able to locate this web page or document.

Until this information is provided... Your statement is just as mis-leading as people who say that no plane hit the Pentagon.

If it is a fact that flight 77 hit it, pleasee provide the NTSB report for those hundreds of traceable parts.

Thank You!

This bunk is designed for retarded people - clearly. LOL
Gangster | 05.16.06 - 12:38 pm | #

HAHAHHAHA!!!! true that!!! lol...

Kheiron, I know you will never get around to checking what the bunk you blindly believe consists of but:

"""At 9:37:46, American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour.61 All on board, as well as many civilian and military personnel in the building, were killed."""

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

The video has to show this, a 757 hitting the wall of the Pentagon at 530 mph. LOL

"yes, you should move on.... grown ups are talking here..."

Why do you have to sit in a sandbox then?

for some reason I'm reminded of John Mellencamp - Crumbling Down song. Did you know that clear channel banned this song, and others after 9-11? http://radio.about.com/library/weekly/blCCbannedsongs.htm

MT,

so he said he saw it, but then said the nose cone is supposedly visible? which is it, did he see it, or not?

"The video has to show this, a 757 hitting the wall of the Pentagon at 530 mph."

Are you claiming AA77 didn't hit the Pentagon? Your proof?

Sorry for my commentary on the video. I got a little mad...

And I added a little something, WITHOUT HAVING EVEN SEEN THE VIDEO.

"Isn't this the same movie we just saw not too long ago in Italian?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.16.06 - 11:37 am | # "

Hi Jon, I dunno if it was posted here yet but anyway the answer is yes, given that its still the only italian documentary about 911.
The segment about flight 93 was released as a preview of the updated version about which I will inform u in due time.

About Flight 77, well lets see, and we should keep all in mind that wether it will show or not flight 77 hit the pentagon, we have still very though questions, relative to that very flight too, and of course Normani Mineta is the strongest point.

Maybe liars & fools like you and Barbara Starr are certain AA77 hit the Pentagon, I believe otherwise. (Oh, and flunkie Hani Hanjour flew that big jetliner like a Top Gun? Bullshit!)

Why do you have to sit in a sandbox then?
Kheiron | 05.16.06 - 12:42 pm | #

HAHAHA!!!! if this "sandbox" didnt scare you then you wouldnt be here....

Jon/DZ

Are you still looking for a translation?? My wife is Italian - she may be able to do it...

Let me know...

Thanks

Let's take a poll here before the release of the video.

1. How many believe AA77 hit the Pentagon?

2. How many people don't believe AA77 fit the Pentagon?

Raise your hands. Then we'll redo it after the release

I vote for #1. There's no question AA77 hit the Pentagon even without the video.

Kheiron,

the point is that there were confiscated tapes that showed 77 hitting the pentagon, but instead of releasing them they refused to, which in turn added to the belief they had something to hide.. thats why the government needs to be open with its information if they have nothing to hide.

any information that is released helps the situation, unfortunately there is a lot more than just a video of 77 that has been withheld despite multiple FOIA requests - including ones submitted by the jersey girls themselves.

Kheiron, shut the hell up.

"HAHAHA!!!! if this "sandbox" didnt scare you then you wouldnt be here...."

You seem scared about the upcoming AA77 video release.

What's your vote?

Can we have a 3rd option. Because I believe a plane hit the pentagon, just not sure it was flight 77.

Hostile, runaway airliners are not allowed to slam into the Pentagon, returning all the way from Ohio, no less! Whether Cheney is playing war games or not!

Something apparently hit the pentagon but it wasn´t a Boeing 757.

I'll count dz as voting "Yes"

and The Professional as voting "No".

i just wanna know what caused the white smoke in the 5 frames:
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=...

hopefully ill find out today.

AA77 was a Boeing 757 so we will treat it as a vote for that plane.

What does my vote tell you, yes or no kheiron?

Q: Who is Kheiron?
A: A new shill dispatched here to disrupt our comments on the release of the scam video.

"Love your personal input."

Sorry. I got mad.

Ain't nothing else to do right now but wait and get high.

"Q: Who is Kheiron?
A: A new shill dispatched here to disrupt our comments on the release of the scam video.
Anonymous | 05.16.06 - 12:51 pm | #

Kheiron,

What you have to look forward to here if you ask rational questions is abuse and ridicule. At some point you will be banned when you ask them a question they cannot anwser.

Both sides of the issue are aired on my blog and :

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

Kheiron,

here are a few clips for you, lemme know if you have seen them - they are short:

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc1_street_level_smoke.wmv
http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/southtower.trinity.avi
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg

also, a new film 'improbable collapse' is being released this week, perhaps you should watch that and the 'everybodys gotta learn sometime' video i linked earlier - then you can decide if the evidence is lacking as you will have actually seen a good bit of it.

"Many in the movement said they would release these videos to discredit all of our 911 questions for years."

And why would you believe that? And why are answers continually ignored within your movement?

FNC just reports....

the video is from a different camera angle ... and Bret Baier of FNC says there are only two angles of video that exist. They will show it on FNC within the hour.

We have all seen part of one of those videos - the 5 frames. Now we are about to see the only other one, according to FNC.

http://www.judicialwatch.org (website not responding)

I see Terrence is here breaking in the new guy, Kheiron.

Mr. Gold what you said was my sentiments EXACTLY.

Terrence,

you are misrepresenting why you are banned. its not your opinion, it is your desire to come here and bash people and start shit.. its not like you came here looking for any honest discussion, you came here saying roughly 'i bet you losers had no girlfriends in highschool', dont play mr. innocent.. oh, and to plug your websites..

btw, your still banned.

"I see Terrence is here breaking in the new guy, Kheiron.
Anonymous | 05.16.06 - 1:12 pm | # :

LOL. T needs someone to cover for him when he has to take a piss or get something to eat.

Yeah, what's up with this?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/

Terrence, you & your ilk are “accessories-after-the-fact” in helping to cover-up the mass murders of 9/11! This is a very serious crime, and you are a criminal!

dz, I've seen those first four clips ages ago, along with dozens of others. All of them are used by conspiracy theorists as supposedly being evidence of explosives. Why? Do you believe you see something there unexpected? If so, what?

http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.amera...

Kheiron,

And why are answers continually ignored within your movement?

if you want to look at the arguements and counter arguements im sure ppl would post you some links, spending an hour writing you something directly would be a bit of a waste of time..

here are a couple from the side that says 77 did hit the pentagon as linked above:
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/index.html

if anyone has some good links for the counter-arguement please post them for Kheiron.. also, you can browse the links to the right of the site..

oh, and pentagonresearch.com

Guys I wouldn't expect the judicialwatch.org website to be running very well for a while. Everyone in the country, and around the world that has access to a computer and has read the news is trying to get to it right now.

"you are misrepresenting why you are banned. its not your opinion, it is your desire to come here and bash people and start shit.."

I see Anonymous doing that. Is he banned?

I tried to point this out in my long-winded legal prosecution analogy of researching and questioning 911, some time ago....

The reason they have disclosure rules in criminal trial is to maintain fairness that the defence or prosecution do not base their case on a scenerio or theory of the crime that can easily be discredited with evidence that is being held secretly by the opposing side.
Unfortunately in finding 911 Truth, the defence holds all of the evidence ...and can release it at its own convenience and to its own benefit.

WE ARE CALLING FOR FULL DISCLOSURE!!!! IT IS OUR LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT1111

dz, I've seen those first four clips ages ago, along with dozens of others. All of them are used by conspiracy theorists as supposedly being evidence of explosives. Why? Do you believe you see something there unexpected? If so, what?
Kheiron | | 05.16.06 - 1:18 pm | #

Kheiron,

The clips from 9/11 eyewitness are less than 4 months old, and the one from medium records is from within the last 2 months, so 'ages ago' can't apply.. did you watch/listen to them?

the 9/11 eyewitness footage has audible massive explosions heard from the sinatra peir prior to each of the collapses.. are you sure you just watched what i gave you?

also, the white smoke at the base of the towers after hearing those explosions in the 9/11 eyewitness footage.. make sure you have some sound.

Terrence, you & your ilk are “accessories-after-the-fact” in helping to cover-up the mass murders of 9/11! This is a very serious crime, and you are a criminal!
Anonymous | 05.16.06 - 1:17 pm |
_________________________----
Can we get a name to go with your criticism of Terrence. Don't get me wrong, I'm with you on your opinion of Terrence, but at least he has a name on here where we can direct it at. I just hate anonymouses.

"if you want to look at the arguements and counter arguements im sure ppl would post you some links, spending an hour writing you something directly would be a bit of a waste of time.. "

I already have. I know "questions" have been answered for years yet they still appear as "unanswered questions" on conspiracy sites.

What questions do you have?

careful for a fake video they have had a long time to create one

"What questions do you have?"

Why was Sibel Edmonds testimony omitted from the 9/11 Report?

"the 9/11 eyewitness footage has audible massive explosions heard from the sinatra peir prior to each of the collapses.. are you sure you just watched what i gave you?"

Multiple times. All four

What kind of "explosions" do you think you heard? Why?

Many non-conspiracists wonder if the soundtrack of "sounds like explosions" was not dubbed in later. Do you beleive there is a justifiable concern of that?

What questions do you have?

Was the president not in danger sitting inside Booker Elementary? Wasn't his visit well publicized?

Where was the secret service?

Better yet, what does Sibel Edmonds have to say that would cause the Department Of Justice to put a gag on her using the arcane State Secrets Privilege, and why the Inspector General Glenn A. Fine said that she was wrongly fired, and why the Supreme Court refused to hear what she had to say.

Why Kheiron?

"Why was Sibel Edmonds testimony omitted from the 9/11 Report?"

I don't know. Do you? Of what relevance is it?

Well, CNN's was nothing - the one on the home page. Shopws the building burning.

Fox News (official propaganda wing of the WH) says: "One of the tapes is from a security camera that was used to produce five still shots on that day. That video, which takes pictures in half-second increments, apparently shows the nose cone of the plane clearly entering the picture, then a blur and then a fireball."

So what do we have now, an altered Frame 1 of the original 5?

The only thing I find less believable than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, is that out of over 3 dozen cameras that would have captured some aspect of this, only 2 were working.

Oh wait, that's right - before Sept. 12th, our military was totally "incompetent". That's all fixed now.

"Why Kheiron?"

I have no idea. What do you think and WHY?

careful for a fake video they have had a long time to create one
ab | Homepage | 05.16.06 - 1:26 pm | #

My thoughts exactly, ab.

I have no idea. What do you think and WHY?

lol.

why did the government claim no black boxes were recovered (the first time in history) from ground zero when 2 firefighters said they helped the fbi find them?

In December 2005, CounterPunch reported that an NTSB source contradicted the official account. "Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

Two men who worked in the cleanup operation at Ground Zero claim that they helped authorities find three of the four black boxes in October of 2001. One of the workers, New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi, has self-published a book with other Ground Zero workers in which he describes the recovery of the devices.

"So what do we have now, an altered Frame 1 of the original 5?"

None of the 5 frames originally released ever showed anything discernible. Do you beleive that is evidence of something?

Wow, at work now, can't check, what is the prognosis???

"I don't know. Do you? Of what relevance is it?"

Well, considering she's said, "The American Public Have Not Heard Who Is The Real Culprit Behind 9/11", and "once this issue gets to be...investigated, you will be seeing certain [American] people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally", and "There is direct evidence involving no more than ten American names that I recognized" it seems pretty relevant wouldn't you say Kheiron?

Come on folks, Chaney & Co. wanted something to hit the Pentagon, to make the official story look air-tight.

But they didn't want to risk a passanger-filled airliner flying back from Ohio. Too much could have gone wrong! Like a malfunction & rough landing elsewhere with survivors who could report the plain being flown "remote control", with no Arab "supermen" flying the plane, etc.

So far no one has stated exactly what it was that was heard on the tape from two miles away?

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv

it sounds like loud motherfucking ground shaking explosions, open your ears.

From the pictures I seen on fox news, it looked closed to what we seen before,talking about the camara angle but without the guard house in the way. But I only pictures I saw where after the impact.

Kheiron,

"The working theory is a combination of structural damage and fire. No evidence of anything else has been produced. Do you have any?"

Given the fact that a steel frame high rise building has never, in the history of mankind collapsed due to fires, wouldn't a demolition (which is exactly what it looks like to any unbiased observer) deserve a close investigation.

http://wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2421326324041129616

http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion3.htm

I can't help you real truther. You haven't read the NIST report or you wouldn't be writing what you did. You didn't pay attention to my answers and questons at all.

i'm dying of suspense here people--i WANT THAT GRAINY FOOTAGE!!

I don't think Fox News showed any of the new pictures (not video) of before the impact.

Impressions ?

"I suggest you compare those massive explosions to that video in Loose Change of the tripod camera that shakes suddenly right before one of the towers collapse."

What kind of explosions? So far no one has stated exactly what it was that was heard on the tape from two miles away? How do you know what shook the tripod?
Kheiron | 05.16.06 - 1:58 pm | #

Well, Kheiron, if it wasn't an explosion, then please tell what kind of force could have shaken the tower hard enough to knock debris off of the side, as well as make that tripod camera shake, as well as be heard across the bay, all at exactly the same time? What else could it have been?

They cannot show what did not happen.

I'll eat my car if this is a real video. I addition, I want to see the gas station video, the hotel video, and all the videos from about 3 dozens Pentagon cams.

NO reason not to show them, they'll all show the same image. No doctoring required.

Kheiron seems a bit dishonest in his questioning. he asks for questions, then ignores any responses only to ask further questions while ignoring the previous answer.

you asked your questions, you got some answers, now move on, do your own research and reach your own opinions.

"it sounds like loud motherfucking ground shaking explosions, open your ears."

I know it "sounds like." I asked WHAT these "explosions" were.

No one here believes that piss in the 9/11 Commission report nor the NIST crap.

CNN right now.

Kheiron in fact i have read it, and i encourage others to all the time because it is so bad it's funny. it is SPECULATION. it doesn't address the molten steel. you are, like all your fellow shills, a complete and total liar, period. why you even waste your time here of all places instead of some faux left venue like the daily kos i can't imagine.

On FNC, they showed a few seconds of the new angle and they also showed an ending to the previously released 5 clips.

FNC is going to return to this issue after they are able to isolate a single frame. Bret Baier describes this frame as showing a nose cone.

FOX NEWS HAD NEW PICTURES. WHY IS CNN NOT SHOWING THEM. AND WHY ARE THEY NOT SHOWING THEM ALL. (sorry)

"Do you think there is something abnormal about that? It would be easy to see and make out details even at the speed. Ever see the Blue Angels do a pass close by at 450mph?
Kheiron | 05.16.06 - 1:49 pm "

To be honest, no I haven't. But the difference is that when you pay to go to an airshow, you are expecting to see planes - fast ones, whizzing about your head.
When you are driving along, you don't expect to see a plane travelling a few feet above your head at a rate of three football pitches per second. Let alone be able to pick up on all the intricacies.

MT,

wow, that sounds so conclusive!

not.

out of such a massive plane it is a wonder they could only find one frame of a possible nosecone.. here's an idea, make the debris open to the public and peice it back together like a real investigation!

I just watched the video "Take Back 9/11." Anyone who watches this video and still believes the so-called "Official Report" must be brain dead. I have seen just about every video ever made on 9/11 and this is the one that is fool-proof. Check it out here...

http://www.archive.org/details/BrianMichelsTAKEBACK911

This guy on CNN just said that the passengers on flight 77 made CELL PHONE CALLS???????????????????????

Not near a TV but from you guys it sounds like those old frames ...

"Given the fact that a steel frame high rise building has never, in the history of mankind collapsed due to fires, wouldn't a demolition (which is exactly what it looks like to any unbiased observer) deserve a close investigation."

1. It's getting a close inspection and has been.

2. It's "fires and structural damage" not just fires.

3. WTC 7 was a unique structure, a unique design, with unique circumstances. No one would comapare it to any other steel building since it's impossible to do that.

arguing with kheiron is pointless. his mindset will not change, nor will his insistence change what has already happened. he is either part of the skyking@ collective or just some other spoiler. it is probably only a matter of moments until he quotes 911myths.com.

Your Government just slapped you in the face America. Whether or not Flight 77 hit the Pentagon is not the issue. They currently have 85 videos in existence that Scott Hodges is trying to get released, and instead, today, they release the same video as they did originally, with just as many "questions" left unanswered as the first time. THERE ARE 85 VIDEOS IN EXISTENCE, RELEASE THEM ALL, AND DON'T INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE.

A Fox reporter said that "most viewers of this video will be underwhelmed."

This is horseshit, this video will show anything but AA77 hitting the building. What's most disgusting is how yet another disengenuous sidestep of an easily challengable issue will not look like a cover-up to the shills here.

And what might be a nosecone, or the loch ness monster maybe! :)

this might backfire in their faces if it isnt conclusive.

"When you are driving along, you don't expect to see a plane travelling a few feet above your head at a rate of three football pitches per second. Let alone be able to pick up on all the intricacies."

So you agree that you are only speculating. But we have plenty of eyewitness reports from different locations and different distances that all agree they saw a twin-engine American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon.

FNC is now dissecting the new video and they have highlighted, with a circle, what they say is the plane just before impact......

I know it "sounds like." I asked WHAT these "explosions" were.
Kheiron | 05.16.06 - 2:05 pm | #

I believe you just answered your own question. They were huge EXPLOSIONS - incapable of being produced by some gas canister or generator. Do I know exactly what caused these explosions? No, honestly, I don't. But, the fact that these explosions occurred when they did and were of the magnitude that they were... please, you seem to be looking for an exact answer here as to WHAT these explosions were - tell me, what do you think these explosions were? What is your explanation?

Just checked out "FAUX" , just a bunch of rhetoric from the talking heads. Oh yeah, and a pixelated inconclusive CCTV frame.

Hilarity.

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4912466
PENTAGON Military officials are releasing the video of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon on September Eleventh.

The images were recorded by a Pentagon security camera and are being released following a Freedom of Information Act request by the group Judicial Watch.

The video has already been leaked and circulated on the Internet, but this is the first time the government is sanctioning the release of the images.

"THERE ARE 85 VIDEOS IN EXISTENCE, RELEASE THEM ALL, AND DON'T INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE."

So that's a Yes" vote for Jon Gold.

if they have to "highlight" then it's clearly BS. i want wings, baby. and a frikkin tail, and engines. how stupid do they think people are? what a JOKE--can you say desperation? i want to hear judicial watch crow about their coup--that will be hilarious!

Is CNN talking about the Norman Mineta testimony which was left out the final 9/11 commission report?

I don't think so!

Here's a funny quote to lighten things up a bit...

"I got this real MORON thing I do, it's called !!!THINKING!!! and I don't make a very good American because I like to form my own opinion. I don't just roll over when I'm told to. Sad to say but most Americans just roll over on command. NOT ME!"

George Carlin---Jammin in New York

"So which one of you is the REAL Jon Gold?"

The one that wiped your *)($# with Sibel Edmonds, and owned you at the same time.

"HEY, HIDING THE REAL PENTAGON VIDEOS IS JUST 1 MORE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT 9/11 WAS INDEED AN INSIDE JOB!"

And revealing them would mean it was an inside job too I take it?

Kheiron, the most secure building in the world has less/poorer surveillance than my local McDonald's??? GTFOOH.

"I refuse to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate me.
- Jon Gold"

jon was referring to me when he said that, and not to your question, scroll up and it is pretty easy to tell given that he quoted me and responded to it.

OK, so we now know that they can´t produce a friggin' video of a plane hitting the Pentagon - a place crawling with cameras.

"jon was referring to me when he said that, and not to your question, scroll up and it is pretty easy to tell given that he quoted me and responded to it."

You are correct.

THANKS T-BONE
I love George Carlin. Remember the sitcom show he used to have on fox I think?

Fox doesn't realize that they can't talk about this thing skidding on the lawn because other pictures show the immaculate Pentalawn. I used to be in the camp that the plane hit there, but this may change my opinion. If nothing else, this may open a lot of eyes about 9/11 Truth and get people to do their homework.
Anonymous | 05.16.06 - 2:34 pm | #

i think that this is very good for our cause.. its going to make a ton of people look into 911 and see what theyre talking about....

last month my mother in law was sure that she had seen the video of the plane hitting the pentagon....

And T-Bone, you might not want to watch the second video. There are several vulgarities in it.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/16/141712/437

Vote!

Has the new video been released yet? All I've seen on the networks is the old frames....absolutely nothing new.
I'm with you DHS.....I'm confused?

Mike,

I do remember. The only problem is in order for his comedy to work it has to be uncensored.

So FOX news is the only station so far that has showed the new frames/video. They even showed the "nose cone" shot once. That was about 15 minutes ago. It was really hard to see what they were saying. But they haven't showed the footage again.

Also, CNN and MSNBC have yet to show these new frames. I think the Justice Dept. released the frames to FOX first, so that they could develop the narative. CNN and MSNBC have yet to show it.

They all got press releases from the Justive Dept. saying that the frames show a "nose cone". We know this because all three channels "reported" this. But I have only seen the "nose cone" for about 15 seconds on FOX.

These networks are scared shitless. They don't know how to play the story.

If Hani Hanjour and the other flunkies had robbed a McDonald's instead, we'd have better video than of them flying a jetliner into the Pentagon. HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Professional, I voted for

Yeah, it's a plane all right. And that's a Heaven's Gate Mothership coming in behind it :)

CNN just said they "finally" got the video and they are going to show it. Lets see how they play the story...

Going to show video on Cnn after break !!!!! From Pentagon website.

EVERYBODY,

Obviously, feelings are running crazily high today. Some of us may find out we were wrong about certain aspects of that day in September....

It's okay.

Some have made what appears to be a few bad emotional investments in flawed theories, theories that may be hard to let go of. You are right if you think it was kind of a mousetrap for us. It was. Gotta love their strategy. Yes, some brilliant minds were put on the payroll here.

The thing is, this is a GOOD development. It IS.

The reason why is because the release of that video is a response to your hard work and dedication. They're worried now. But, now is when we need to sharpen our skills and dump the excess bricks. Let em' go. FOCUS ON THE COVERUP. It's our only hope.

Good luck and keep your faith in the movement.

Remember, today was a victory. Not a defeat. We're making a difference and the shitheads are scared.

S.

gold,

record CNN asap!

Ian C. said
"These networks are scared shitless. They don't know how to play the story."
______________________________
Hell yeah, I think that what ever is really going on right now, it's good for the movement.

"And T-Bone, you might not want to watch the second video. There are several vulgarities in it."

Thanks for the warning Jon, but I am not against vulgar speach, just think it can hurt your cause when trying to get a point across. 9/11 is too important a topic to chance turning a newcomer off because of those slips of the tounge, or key strokes to be more precise. I meant no disrepect.

wtf?

And revealing them (the Pentagon videos) would mean it was an inside job too I take it?
Kheiron

Yes it would, because of the content, which is why we'll never see them. Glad to see you on board. : )

CNN just showed the new video.....

that was crap

NO FUCKING WAY MAN. THAT'S BULLSHIT AAAHHHAHHHHHA

Here's the first "new still" I've seen. It's fairly shocking.

http://damall.com/pix/santagon.jpg

Dam, that nosecone looks awefully small & low to the ground!!!

Got it.

...and now all suspisions are put to rest....a plane hit the pentagon....clear as that....nothing to see here folks.....just move along

yeah i'm convinced.

I want to see how the plane "DISAPPEARED", just show it to me.

ooo apparently haloscan does not like the XHTML 2.5 tag

I just found this on CNN.com's article.

"Some conspiracy theorists have maintained the aircraft was shot down in flight, and that the Pentagon was struck by a missile."

Who says this????

Of course, you know that SOMETHING happened. That sounded stupid. I meant that something far beyond the official version.

MSSR JO:

download VLC

http://www.videolan.org/vlc

it plays almost everything

Have we won yet? Is this really all the opposition has to offer?

Where is terrence with his astute observations?

"Jon:
"Illegitimi non carborundum est."

"Don't let the bastards wear you down."

I don't know what hit the Pentagon. Nor am I particularly concerned with it. The truth will eventually "out". The real story isn't there. The real story is in the NSA, the war games, and Cheney."

It's not the point. Everytime we gain momentum, the McMedia gives us a shot. I can IMAGINE the first person who comes up to me and says, "HA! See, it was Flight 77", and then their blinders go up, and they don't want to hear everything else about 9/11. That's what concerns me.

Shaped charges in the building. Actually, this makes more sense than a cruise missile. And it makes more sense than a carbon-tipped nose cone causing that damage. In fact, it COULD show the over-zealous nature of those who planned the attack. The fact that so much concrete was penetrated only confirms that SOMETHING happened.
Stuart Provine | Homepage | 05.16.06 - 3:19 pm | #

i wouldnt doubt that a big plane flew over the pentagon and then they set off bombs at the same time to make it look like a plane had just crashed into the pentagon...

whatever, it doesnt even matter.. i just dont think that flight 77 hit it...

Jon,

With those types of missiles, there are usually fail safe mechanisms to prevent them from detonating within a damage radius. Like the torpedos in "The Hunt for Red October". If there's a misfire, they're designed to not blow up right out of the launch tube. BUT, another option would be a Phalanx cannon. Obviously, the Pentagon's defenses are totally secret, but these weapons have been in use on battleships to defeat incoming missiles. Check this out -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

LOL biggest joke I've seen for a while, I bet this has already been posted but I've just noticed prisonplanet covering these new pentagon frames, I donÂ’t think you can call this shit footage;

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/160506pentagonimages.htm

It's a joke, even I can put a lens flair "sun spot" effect on a picture using Photoshop. This is just bare jokes, prisonplanet put it “Release Of Pentagon Images Direct Assault On 9/11 Truth Movement”, I don’t see it like that though, I think they’ve shot themselves in the foot big time with this one.

I dont get whats happening, could someone calmly explain:

1) Has the video been released, ir will there be more?

2) Was the video the same, opr very similar, to the 5 frames weve seen?

3) Has anything really changed?

4) Does this damage or aid the movement?

Thanks!

Jouet,

better get video lan player

http://www.videolan.org/news.html

CNN and FOX pretend that it was flight 77 which nose cone you can see.

I scream: The emperor is naked. There's really nothing to see. And it doesn't depend on how close you look to pretend and wish you'll see a real flight 77.

Besides that it was physically impossible that this flight hit the Pentagon, in this height in the first floor, with this hole, in the 270 degree turn that was needed, and nowhere reportet flight path change which was also needed...

"The LC boys have some new fodder
DHS | Homepage | 05.16.06 - 3:04 pm | # "

Well, it is one of two things. Either (1) They have nothing and this is the best they can do to stem the truth tide and Greg is correct that they are done with this Pentagon matter; or (2)They are still messing with us and will pull out some better goods as LC Final Cut and Press For Truth hit the public in order to discredit the movement.

It's not the point. Everytime we gain momentum, the McMedia gives us a shot. I can IMAGINE the first person who comes up to me and says, "HA! See, it was Flight 77", and then their blinders go up, and they don't want to hear everything else about 9/11. That's what concerns me.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.16.06 - 3:23 pm | #

you shouldnt have to worry about that because from what ive read you have never told anyone that it wasnt flight 77....

"HA! See, it was Flight 77",

gold, how could anyone say this to you???

Is this the same "video" that was shown to the Moussaoui trial jurors?

Everybody: The "nose cone" should give away the alleged speed of the "plane" before it crashed. Anyone into math? what was the speed given it was a 2 frames per second camera?

Ssssh. Free speech at work. The subject matter is horrid but to watch everybody working on this is a beautiful thing. Over 300 hundred comments and growing.

"gold, how could anyone say this to you???"

Because it doesn't matter what I promote, and it doesn't matter what I've researched. People take the most FRINGE of our "Conspiracy Theories", and use them against us, and lump us all together in one big theory mesh... or didn't you know that?

Greg I think it's ridiculous that the camera was only operating at 2FPS in the first place.

I'm surprised that this isn't up on the google news top stories yet.

total BS! it looks like they added one extra frame

plus, that nose cone looks way too thin and pointed for a boeing 757

http://www.cruisinaltitude.com/images/b757/aab757tx120020210laxl.jpg
http://www.cruisinaltitude.com/images/b757/aab757llaxl.jpg

regardless, Jon is right. this is nothing. we can argue about what hit the pentagon or we can fight to save this country.

personally, i'd like to see this energy devoted to destroying the myth of the official theory rather than injecting theories on our own that are not required to call bullsh!t on the official theory.

im going to upload this video on google right now.

update: It just showed up in my "recommended stories" section. Google is inside my head.

"personally, i'd like to see this energy devoted to destroying the myth of the official theory rather than injecting theories on our own that are not required to call bullsh!t on the official theory."

__________

You nailed it. I think we're going to find ourselves looking like Charlie Brown with the football unless we go with this philosophy.

Why bring a boxcutter to a gun fight?

I can't tell whether this is a very smart Texas 2-step by Karl Rove -- get the 9/11 truth movement worked up, then release something in a couple days which shows the Boeing (which could be faked -- they've had 4 years).

OR

Whether this is a desperate ploy to call a duck a horse and hope the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

Because it doesn't matter what I promote, and it doesn't matter what I've researched. People take the most FRINGE of our "Conspiracy Theories", and use them against us, and lump us all together in one big theory mesh... or didn't you know that?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.16.06 - 3:33 pm | #

if you think the pentagon is fringe then youre crazy...

i would bet that the no plane at the pentagon theory has gotten more people looking into 911 then anything else...

gold, name one thing about 911 that has gotten more people to research 911 then the pentagon....

BTW, I'm still agnostic about what hit the Pentagon.

"if you think the pentagon is fringe then youre crazy...

i would bet that the no plane at the pentagon theory has gotten more people looking into 911 then anything else...

gold, name one thing about 911 that has gotten more people to research 911 then the pentagon...."

Yes, but now on national television, they've put the claims of "Conspiracy Theory" to rest... regardless of whether or not they showed anything.

"gold, name one thing about 911 that has gotten more people to research 911 then the pentagon"

Knowing right from wrong.

Mathew Day:

here was a quick summary:
summery of the videos:

there are 2 clips, one is the clip from which the 5 frames were 'leaked' where teh security gate is visible and blocks out the object behind it.. and another is taken about 10 feet in front of that location from the same side angle so that the security gates are not visible - in this one there is a large white flash, and only in the first frame do you see what is the 'nosecone', however the size/shape/color/etc. etc. is all very undecernable..

nothing much to see here unfortunately.. in fact, its not really even news.

so, 2 videos, same perspective, one was the original video the 5 frames were from, and the other about 10-20 feet in front of the first video.. neither show crap.

I've always been on the fence in regards to flight 77 and the pentagon. This video shows zero evidence of flight 77 hitting the building. where are the other tapes from the hotel, gas station, highway. what a joke.

what hooked them though???

The opportunity with this video is that now it's OFFICIAL. They used the ol' 'leaking' trick before to avoid questions about it in the Pentagon briefings etc. All they had to do was to say they didn't release anything.

But now one can confront Rumsfeld with it. Let's hear what he has to say, i guess he will tell a new LIE like "there aren't any other videos" or "we lost the confiscated ones and accept the full blame for that".

I just saw a report about this on CNN. It was the same video that I've seen before. The reporter said that some conspiracy theorists think a missle hit the building. Then he said the video doesn't show enough to disprove that theory.

I have to say this is a small victory for 9/11 truth.

WHAT... A.... JOKE.

That's all I can say about this latest feeble attempt to dress up a hog. As for another shoe dropping, this one actually showing a boeing, no chance. They know that's the quickest way to prove their lying. Their strategy is to leave as much doubt as possible in enough people's minds. You'd be surprised how suggestible people are too--lots of people, like Kheiron here, will SWEAR they see a plane in that video. Beginning of the endgame, folks! Ramp it up--copy dvd's and hand them out in public, wear signs on your person at all times--we have the bastards on the run.

The video is a joke. Maybe they're getting desperate.

Let's face it, we have em beat when it comes to infowars-and the newscasters demeanour says it all.And to think they would of got away with it all , if it were'nt for those meddling interwebers.Suspect further claims from msm when LC goes nationwide ,and meanwhile keep the focus on verifiable evidence and not altered, second-guessed photos.It's inspiring to see such rapid response from eveyone,Thanx JON ,on the ball.

Wake up.

A 757 did not hit the Pentagon.

np.

So has anyone seen the Pentagon wreakage photos that CNN Pentagon "reporter" Jamie MacIntyre said he took personally at the scene or were they classified. On this segment of CNN today he also trashes any versions of the Pentagon events other than the official account.

Always remind people of the other 80 or so suppressed videos,this is effective even for people who doubt anything fishy is going on.Thats all, don't try to prove any particular theory ,introduce reasonable doubt,and let the burden of proof fall on the Gov to uphold their cockandbull story.

Seriously what is with the thing that looks like a flag/light pole that just suddenly appears. Is it a lens crack? Debris? I don't get it. It isn't casting a shadow

Douglas, you're in denial.

They say that the 757 zoomed into the Pentagon at 530 mph. You'd have to be friggin' retarded to believe that in the first place. :)

Pentagon Video Is Giant Psy-Op
Intended to create circus of interest around 'no plane' theories, later debunk them

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | May 16 2006

Grainy video stills showing what is claimed to be the nose cone of Flight 77 will only result in an increased circus of debate around the issue of what happened at the Pentagon in preparation for a future release of clear video footage that 'debunks' people who question the official version of 9/11.

For over four years we have remained neutral on the subject, agreeing that unanswered questions need to be explored but warning against the Pentagon issue becoming the core focus of the 9/11 truth movement.

The danger is clearly that the government will use its media mouthpieces in particular Fox News to hype this until it becomes the de facto keystone of alternative explanations behind 9/11.

At the point when that crescendo reaches its peak crystal clear footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon will be released, knocking down the straw man argument that the establishment itself erected.

The government is steam valving this issue so as to garner as much interest as possible before blowing the entire matter out of the water. We know for a fact that the FBI seized the gas station camera footage and footage from hotels across the highway which would show the entire sequence of events and prove exactly what happened at the Pentagon.

The fact that they have again chosen to release grainy and foggy images which only lead to more speculation tell us two things.

1) The government truly is frightened to death of releasing any images which accurately depict what happened at the Pentagon because it doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11.

2) Or the government knows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and has clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately releasing these speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can later release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11 truth movement.

The media obsession with this one facet of an entire smorgasbord of 9/11 questions, and their refusal to address more hardcore 9/11 evidence, leads us to fear the latter explanation is the case.

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Why no discussion of Building 7 and the comments of Larry Silverstein?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/160506giantpsyop.htm

Lucid,

woah, that was freaky.. that 'lightpole' that mistically appears is casting a shadow (down and to the right), but it does appear out of nowhere.. my first guess was a firehydrant with water coming straight up out the top.. i know it sounds odd, but that was my first guess. [its actually the security gate]
http://www.cnn.com/Edited By Siteowner

ah that makes sense, I'll watch it again

I mentioned the possibility of the Phalanx defense system perhaps being a part of this a bit back. Check out these words from a defense site, it seems eerily similar to what we see at the Pentagon.

This is typical of Pentagon testing, and seems to be particularly prevalent in
the Aegis system. An interesting parallel concerns the testing for the Phalanx
close-in shipboard missile defense system, which of course is included as part
of the Aegis umbrella. The Navy's final results of the testing conducted for
Phalanx reported that the system had achieved greater than 80% "success." But
what was the definition of "success?" Pentagon watchdog groups did a little
digging with the Freedom of Information Act, and determined that "success" had
been interpreted as "destruction of the incoming missile." Well, that seemed
okay, so most investigations were dropped. But some whistle-blowers in the
Pentagon produced some disconcerting information. While it was true that
simulated incoming missiles had indeed been "hit" and "destroyed," it had been
determined that the debris and rocket fuel of the destroyed missile would
continue onward and hit the ship, causing tremendous impact and an inevitable
fire. It was estimated that this would be enough to destroy or knock out
nearly any vessel. But since the simulated missiles had been "destroyed," the
Navy proudly announced that Phalanx had passed the test. Empirical evidence
from the Falklands war makes the Phalanx testing look even less realistic.
Only one of the Exocets hitting Royal Navy ships exploded, yet the dud Exocets
still did hellish damage, including sinking two ships. It also appears that
the missile that hit the USS _Stark_ did not go off.

Seriously what is with the thing that looks like a flag/light pole that just suddenly appears. Is it a lens crack? Debris? I don't get it. It isn't casting a shadow
Lucid | 05.16.06 - 4:17 pm | #

Lucid...I think that's actually the security gate going up and then down.

Ian,

yes, it is, just rewatched it ;)

dz: I also thought it could be a hydrant, but 1. where is the water coming down? (maybe there were not enough frames to get to that point or it was off screen) 2. Water still makes a shadow doesn't it?

lucid,

its the security gate going up.. rewatch it a few times.

The 2nd vid on http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

havent seen that one before

http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/5669/13tp1.jpg

The best part about CNN is the title they put on the video clip:

"Video shows a jumbo jet crashing into the Pentagon"

JUMBO MY ASS!