How is the FOIA thing? Is this the only video they must release?

Yup, the Judicial Watch stream, Video 2, looks very much like a (relatively) small missile, and not a gigantic jumbo plane.

But the question regarding Pentagon is not really what hit it, but rather why it was *allowed* to hit the most secured building in these parts of the Galaxy.

After all, the US had been under attack for 1-2 hours already, had it not?

Personally, I think 9/11 Truthers should forget the No-Boeing theory. Having said that, this video proves nothing. Do you mean to tell me that the most surveilled building in the world only captured the worst security breakdown in its history from a tiny camera located in the parking lot? What a farce.

Here here, GW.

i'm addicted to 9/11 Truth

I'm a 911Truthaholic, bitches.

DSM: I am also agnostic about the Pentagon.

BUT ... thinking through it, I think that the only reason the gov would release these crappy videos now without releasing the Citgo/Sheraton vids is that the Citgo/Sheraton vids will show a Boeing clearly.

Put another way, would the folks who carried out the murder of 3,000 Americans shoot themselves in the foot by showing an iffy, grainy video and leave it at that? They've had 4 years to fake the video (hollywood can do it in a couple weeks or months).

Would all of the MSM bs outlets (including Fox) hype this as proof against 9/11 conspiracies?

NO. Its more likely they are doing a very smart Texas 2-step: bluff like this is the best they've got so we get all excited and say SEE NO PLANE!

Then they release vid which demolishes that argument and the 9/11 movement.

On the other hand, remaining cautious has no big downside. If the Citgo/Sheraton vids are equally crappy, then we can go to town on how they've said they have proof but the vids are worthless.

The Pentagon claims(according to NBC News) it has no more videos of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. i guess they lost the tapes from the Sheraton and the gas station huh? give me a fucking break.

oh,and Judicial Watch says we are all "insane" if we still think 9/11 was a government plot. as if this "video" is going to stop us. YOU CANT STOP US.

Chris, what you are saying is vitally important. Please provide the link to where the Pentagon claims(according to NBC News) it has no more videos of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

and again, i notice people keep bringing up the gas station and hotel footage. NBC just got done saying that those tapes dont exist, so take that for what its worth.

it was just on the Evening News.about 10 minutes ago.

wow i AM IMPRESSED!

This, then, is the video that lays all conspiracy theories to rest?

The media don't know how to spin this!

This is so lame that some media may rightly dare to SAY WHAT THE STORY IS:

"We are being spoon fed some crap for idiots!"

it was wither ABC or NBC Evening NEws, im almost positive it was NBC though. check the tapes from both shows, they bopth talked about it. i dont think CBS even bothered.

holdup, michael berger was on abc news tonight!?

hes with 911truth and the creator of improbable collapse.. which was shipped yesterday i think.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRIGHT FLASH = Micro Nuke

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DZ: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1968996&page=1

Ian , hows it going on the footage of the cnn reporter/cockpit pics?

holdup, michael berger was on abc news tonight!?

hes with 911truth and the creator of improbable collapse.. which was shipped yesterday i think.
dz | Homepage | 05.16.06 - 6:54 pm | #
yes he was, for a quick second. he said the tape proves nothing. i fully agree.

please note that we still have a second FOIA request active for the other 84 flight 77 recordings. we WILL get those also. they should include the citgo tape and the hotel tape.
http://www.flight77.info/

People should help get the rest of these out, given that these are bogus.

I would like to have more informations about the supposed Pentagon claim that they wouldnt have any other videos..

Did anyone notice in the CNN video, that next to the left tan box is a small pole that is broken off. Then after the crash of what ever, there is a car that goes by the building and in one frame the light pole is partially there and then in the next frame it is all there.

Does anyone besides me find it odd that a light pole shows up after the item hit the Pentagon, rather than being destroyed by the crash????

RemoveBush,

I think that is a security gate.

RemoveBush,

I think that is a security gate.
It is conected to the tan box. Look at the shadow.

Ian , hows it going on the footage of the cnn reporter/cockpit pics?
Colin | 05.16.06 - 6:59 pm | #

I haven't been able to find any contact info on Jamie McIntyre. But I did email Kyra Phillips (she's the one who interviewed him) and asked her to "confirm or deny" that McIntyre actually has these photos.

I haven't heard anything back (and i don't expect either.) But here's where you can reach her if anyone else wants to contact her:

http://edition.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form4.html?16

Those videos show and prove absolutely nothing! Round and round we go.

So the videos were just stupid replays of nothing. What does that tell us? That those at the DoD want conspiracy nuts to keep looking like nuts so that average Americans and people who can think critically will understand they should stay away from anyone questioning the official version of 9/11

But beyond all that, the real question for those still saying that they know that Flight 77 didnÂ’t hit the Pentagon is, what evidence WOULD be enough?

None.

Applying logic to the forensic evidence, examining the eyewitness statements of a commercial jet approaching and crashing (made consistently from many different types of people, not just military or media, as some would like you to believe), and considering the actual implications of trying to fire a missile or bring a drone military aircraft into a major urban center without being noticed by anyone, does not rule out Flight 77, but indeed supports the case for it.

Those who portend to know what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 - a missile! a drone! - have a strong vested interest in their belief that Flight 77 could not have crashed there. They will call ANY videos that come out fakes -- even if they are real and crystal clear, unlike today's -- and work hard to show that no matter what is put forth by official sources, they only support the idea for ‘no plane.’

At a certain point, the evidence is undeniable. And we've already passed that point.

Could the military fake some videos? Sure.

But did they?

We donÂ’t know.

But folks, its a lot easier to fake a video than it is a crash.

HereÂ’s what the story would have to have been:

· Witnesses for a several square miles radius were all planted to tell fake stories about seeing a commercial jet crash.

· Hundreds of witnesses from all different angles and locations were unable to tell the difference between a missile and a 757!!! Yet, the 12 or so witnesses who saw the C-130 at the scene were able to identify that as a military plane and some even named exactly what type of plane it was.

· Anyone inside the building who saw the approaching 'missile' or 'drone' aircraft was also willing to fake their story.

· Chance witnesses at the scene – in nearby buildings, out on the highway, over at the gas station, etc. - who did actually see the 'missile' or military 'drone' plane were all tracked down and told to lie, or were hushed up in some other way.

· Phone calls from the plane were all faked.

· Passengers either did not exist or were killed elsewhere.

· Plane parts matching a 757 were burned and smashed and then planted at the scene.

· Passengers’ family members are all fake or don’t know that their loved ones were killed elsewhere.

· Lampposts were pulled down with wires or other means and smashed on top of cars to make it look like the plane came through there, suggesting all the people on the highway were also intelligence agency plants to act like they saw the lampposts come down from the plane, and not by wires.

· Some blurry, grainy long-distance surveillance videos were - GASP! - faked!!

Ask yourself, what, if any evidence, could ever add up to Flight 77 hitting there by those that are already sure it didn't, given this list?

Nothing. Every single piece of evidence can be declared ‘fake.’

At a certain point, when science and logic are discarded for a system of beliefs which does not require evidence, we are talking about religious or political beliefs, not forensic evidence and reality.

See:

http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-video.html

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html

Wow...ABC news covering Zwicker too and that excellent statement he made that nothing should have been able to get to the Pentagon.

T-Bone, you are good company, in good company. It is an honor to share this journey with you.

A couple cool videos for everyone;

Bush at Booker, what if?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4008941961287957237

911 Motion Graphic
http://youtube.com/watch?v=45lre4npG5A

GW,
Thats a great essay on suggestions for responding to todays events. I hope they post this essay on this blog, for further constructive debate.

ya, i like our new blogger buddy T-bone!!!!

i dont believe in god but im all for using god to get the truth to people... plus, hes from my home town... lol..

t-bpne, i dont know any of those guys but i called my buddy down there and he does.. how about alex fritz, you know him??? or sara and lisa fritz???

which church is yours, the little white one or the one on midland rd????

I just don't flipping see it. How does that crap explain an airliner hitting the pentagon? I thought when this day came they would have had something compelling. I would have fallen for a story that an advanced weapon system at the pentagon deployed and that was the reason no trace of 77 was found. This is a defeat for them.

Terrific! Now we get even more useless "footage", showing clear signs of doctoring (with respect to the couple of frames showing the "plane"). Of course, the real footage from the hotel and gas station is nowhere to be seen, which would clearly confirm that a 757 crashed into the Pentagon. IMHO, this appears to be an attempt to get even more skeptics to buy the bunk that something other than a 757 crashed into the Pentagon. When enough people in 9/11 Truth accept this fraud, only then will the real footage be released, showing the 757 in its full glory- completely discrediting the movement in one fell swoop. At least that's what I would do if I were one of the conspirators.

Please, people, let's stick to what we DO know, rather than what we DON'T. Hundreds of eyewitnesses reported:

(a) hearing explosions at the WTC
and
(b) seeing a jumbo jet hit the Pentagon

If you're citing the first group of eyewitnesses to make a claim regarding controlled demolition at the WTC, then you *CANNOT* dismiss the second group of eyewitnesses who saw a 757 strike the Pentagon. If that were ever done in a courtroom, the case in question would be immediately dismissed. After all, consistency in one's arguements is one of the key tenets of the criminal justice system. If you change your story several times (*cough* *cough* 9/11 Commission *cough*), or assign a premium to one set of eyewitnesses, while simultaneously discounting another group of eyewitnesses whom you choose not to believe (*cough* *cough* Bush Regime *cough*), then your credibility is worth absolutely nothing.

Remember, the fight for 9/11 Truth is a *WAR*. Make no mistake about it. And how are wars won? By choosing the individual battles of the war very carefully. You attack weakly defended positions (such as the collapses of WTC 7, and the two towers) and avoid strongly defended positions (such as the attack on the Pentagon).

The official storytellers are doing their damndest to keep the focus on the Pentagon, where they're holding all the cards- and away from the building collapses, where their defense is nothing more than a house of cards. Don't let them steer 9/11 Truth to the Pentagon. Keep it at the WTC. Otherwise, this war will surely be won by the official storytellers and their conspiratorial backers.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
[Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11]

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagontrap.html
[The Pentagon No-757-Crash Theory:
Booby Trap for 9/11 Skeptics]

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/videoframes.html
[Released video frames show evidence of tampering]

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/witnesses.html
[Hundreds of witnesses- both military and civilian- saw a 757 hit the Pentagon]

It is the aftermath that is compelling. We can do calculations on the energy of the fireballs. Notionally there is no way they can account for the dissolution of an 80 ton plus aircraft. I go back to Jamie McIntyre's reporting on 9/11. Initially he said there is no evidence a 757 crashed here. Later on he is happy and chirpy. He is going on about the profoundly destructive powers of kerosene (jetfuel). He was fed a line and went with it. Anyone with reason knows this is a new line - eat it or not.

Baraka, great post.

AOL is showing a sub-headline which reads "video shows jet his Pentagon."

This is not widely known, but I thought I'd point out that the original video is on the DoD website, which is of better quality than the YouTube versions:

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html

Check out how the links are buried on the page.

Inside,

If you're still out there. FBC Poway is my church. http://fbcpoway.org/ Sort of near Wal-Mart on Midland. I didn't know the Fritz twins personally, but I graduated with them.

Ooops. That was me.

Inside,

If you're still out there. FBC Poway is my church. http://fbcpoway.org/ Sort of near Wal-Mart on Midland. I didn't know the Fritz twins personally, but I graduated with them.
Anonymous | 05.17.06 - 12:16 am |

I found the tone of this discussion to be very encouraging! Guys, good attitude.

"Micro Nuke"

Well except for that of course. ;)

(my comments here, I agree with those who say this is a set-up:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/dazinith/114782731824316200/#103082 )

"What if theyre not fucking with us?"

Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Caution, at the very least, is advised.

t-bone, my best friends funeral was at your church..

HAHA!!! i was at your graduation... small world...

we need a board where we can pm...

"Just seems to me that if a commercial airliner did hit it we would have seen a PIC of the plane NEAR the building by now. The fact that we havnt is just plain fucking insanity. The fact that we havnt is just plain fucking insanity."

All of the other debates about the Pentagon aside, you're entirely right that this FACT is insane. There is no reasonable justification for it.

UK truther here....... new footage does not show a plane hitting the pentagon.... pure and simple. I have researched a great deal on the events on 9/11 and like millions of others worldwide believe we are not being told the truth. I am not sure if it was an inside job, or it was an inspired Al Queada plot, but there are so many damned unanswered questions why can't they just release footage of the plane hitting the pentagon and clear this matter up. What I do believe is the government is more than happy that everyones attention is focused on the pentagon, while for me, the real questions they should be facing are about events that happened in New York that day. Keep up the good work everyone!

I found it sad that Amy Goodman on Democracy Now today simply announced the release of video and stated that it showed the plane striking the building. They didn't even show the footage!

If Democracy Now swallows the Pentagon's statement on the content of the video without examination be assured so will every other media outlet that discusses it.

Yesterday, May 16th on CNN's "The Situation Room". They where showing the new video releases of the Pentagon parking lot videos. At one point on the show they had Jamie Mcintyre on air, He's the reporter who was recorded in front of the Pentagon on 911 saying he could see no evidence of a plane colliding with the Pentagon. Yesterday he stated that the footage of him in the movie "Loose Change" was taken out of context and that he was really talking about another question that was asking if he saw any wreckage of a plane somewhere around the pentagon, not the actual collision. Thus making it appear he was saying there was not evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon. However, I found a link showing the whole clip and he clearly says in one closing sentence that he sees no evidence of plane hitting the Pentagon. This clip was quickly taken off line when www.freedomfiles.org service provider cancelled their service. I would like to know if the "Situation Room" was recorded on May 16th and if anyone can provide a web video file of his apparent lies. And does anyone have the newly missing video file of him making his statement on 911. These two video files need to reside next to each other on the net. Or inserted into Loose change 3. It's clear that the major media is playing a part in the 911 coverup. This is undeniable proof Mr. Mcintyre is telling two different tales. Does that make him and the other news anchors traders as well? We need to find both these clips!!!! What made him tell a blatant and provable lie?

I'm new to this site and I'm sure this issue has been discussed a thousand times before. But I want to know why we don't here more about building 7 being demolished on purpose. Larry Silverstein said in an interview that he gave permission "to pull" building number 7 in fear that more lives would be lost from the burning building.(http://www.wtc7.net/pullit.html). It takes weeks to plan a demolition of that size and somehow they did it in a few hours amongst all the chaos, the building burning and everything else that was going on. That's simply immpossible, call me ignorant or close minded but the fact that that building was proven to be demolished and not burned down like fema put in there report and it fell in the same way as the 1st two towers is eveidence enough for me. Not to mention all the other facts out there.

Adam,

Ask the mainstream media who haven't shown WTC7 footage a single time on television since 9/11, and then ask the 9/11 Commission report who didn't even mention that a 3rd building of 47 stories collapsed on 9/11.

I kind of worded what I said wrong. I kind of ment why don't we hear about it more from people on our side of the issue. for example in "Loose Change" it wasn't even mentioned. I think it's a bigger issue that got lost in the mainstream media along with our "underground media" or whatever ya want to call it.

I tried all last night to get the better copy of that video from media.dtic.mil. It was downloading at ~33 kb/sec and gradually dropped lower and lower to ~800 bytes/sec, a snail's pace. Today it won't even start downloading, even though it connects to their server just fine. The rest of their site is lightning fast. Some FOIA compliance...

are these people think we are stupid to believe that that is flight 77????????????

What's so difficult for everybody to understand? They were planning this over forty years ago, ya think maybe they might have got it down a little bit better in those forty years?

Operation Northwood:

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter national distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

Anyone notice that the 911 airplanes disappeared from radar for a while after the transponders stopped?

For christ's sake, Davis Copperfield made a 747 disappear in front of a thousand people.

.

New uk Blogger here...I would like to make a point about the news coverage..anchors can not editorialise, they can only run with what they are given..news as such is just spoon fed control of the masses..the news channels will never step off thier line..unless thier superiors are removed...we are caught in a network of complete control.

yea isnt it great that we the americans "land of the free home of the brave" could do this. you know

It shouldn't be too hard to analyze/ calculate that funny "nosetip"'s size & its distance from "Pentalawn".

By naked eye it doesn't look to me like a 757's nose, & it's too
close to the ground but... see above.

rgds.
f.