Open Thread
dz Wed, 05/17/2006 - 9:28am
There is sure to be a wave of articles worth covering throughout the day today, please feel free to post them here.
Also, please keep the comments somewhat respectable - review the rules, and please adhere to them. If you are looking for deeper discussions please visit the wealth of forums out there which discuss 9/11, and keep the comments here useful!
- Login to post comments
My favorite t-shirt I own
My favorite t-shirt I own says on the fron, "Normal people scare me." I get a lot of comments about it from people. I tell them the reason "normal people" scare me is because they believe 19 arabs highjacked 4 planes and hit 75% of their targets on 9/11. Great conversation starter.
I recently made a
I recently made a screenprint shirt of a tattered US flag upside down a la Veterans for 911 Truth
I really like the Grand Theft Country shirt too if you haven't seen it
http://www.grandtheftcountry.com
One basic truth can be used
One
basic
truth can
be used as
a foundation for
a mountain of lies,
and if we dig down deep
enough in the mountain of lies,
and bring out that truth, to set it
on top of the mountain of lies; the entire
mountain of lies will crumble under the weight of
that one truth, and there is nothing more devastating to a
structure of lies than the revelation of the truth upon which
the structure of lies was built, because the shock waves of
the revelation of the truth reverberate, and continue to
reverberate throughout the Earth for generations to
follow, awakening even those
people who had no
desire to be
awakened
to the
truth.
DZ burning the midnight oil.
DZ burning the midnight oil. I check this site constantly up until I go to sleep at like 3, nice to see a thread opened this late.
T-Bone did you go to your church yet? I'm going to go the mosque on Balboa with a copy of 9/11 Revisited tommorrow. We gotta start a 9/11 Truth groupd down here man. I wanna get on the corner of some busy street and start repping the truth.
DHS, Grand Theft Country
DHS, Grand Theft Country has an appealing site ,graphicly and content wise, firstime-userfreindly.Reminds me for some reason of Linklater's work( waking life ,etc).I have a feeling he is sympathetic to the truth movement.
I have a feeling that each Patriot that speaks up , three more are spurred on automatically , or even a deluge of voices , as in the case of a Sheen , or a Mcgovern , it doesn't matter who , but the truth is contagious , certainly more so than this touted bird pandemic anyway
Anyone else call the FBI
Anyone else call the FBI public corruption hotline? I'm sure they're keeping my phone on record now but I'm not too worried about it.
I told the FBI guy I talked to about WTC 7 and Able Danger. He was unaware of these facts and was receptive and polite.
Charlie Sheen United
Charlie Sheen
United 93
Moussasoui verdict
Pentagon footage
...what's next?
Andy, Did not confront the
Andy,
Did not confront the pastor yet because he was out of town all last week. I may do it tomorrow night at the wed night service.
Did you know Inside was from Poway?
I like your style DHS ,
I like your style DHS , great post.I like how it cues up images of the towers crumbling , too.Effective.Could you mirror it with another bit of prose?()
I found this local group
I found this local group http://sd911truth.org/
I think ya can add Fear
I think ya can add Fear Factor/NewsRadio's Joe Rogan and Director David Lynch to celebrities for 9/11 Truth. I definately believe Alex Jones when he says there is a LOT of celebrities are privately for 9/11 truth and questioning the official version.
Hello everyone. I've
Hello everyone. I've written a couple of entries on this blog, and I've gained many insights from others doing the same. With your kind indulgence, I'd like to say a few words.
Well, like many of you, I think about the events of 9/11 every day. I too am convinced that some of our "elected" leaders, along with their appointees and various cronies, have conspired against us. We have seen this administration, this Neo-Conservative Mafia, bring forth a brutal campaign of death and corruption. On that day in September, we saw our cherished principles and hard-fought values violently slain. They would be only the first blood-soaked victims in their crusade. Other casualties would soon follow.
The mainstream media did not televise the funeral of our Constitution, they did not even interrupt the regularly-scheduled brainwashing to tell us She had died. A hit-and-run accident just paralyzed the Bill of Rights, and our mother Democracy is lying in a raped in a ditch, gasping shallow breaths, awaiting an ambulance of justice that may never arrive.
These are desperate times, my friends.
All is not lost, yet. We who fight are the air that Democracy breaths, and we must stand up and be heard. Now.
The citizens of the United States were the targets of an unprecedented attack, one that tears at the very fabric of our nation. An attack that came from within.
This sabotage must not go unpunished. If we allow these monsters to rewrite our history with their vacuous propaganda and meaningless slogans, we will only have ourselves to blame. While they continue waging war on our liberty and civil rights, we must now do what is necessary to protect that which is dear to us. Should we choose not to mobilize against this foe, I fear our America, the real America, will be no more.
Of course, Americans are not the only victims in this hideous blitzkrieg. Tens of thousands of Iraqis, perhaps hundreds of thousands, have already been felled by the Great American Sword. A sword forged from the strongest American ideals. Heated in the fire of our forefathers' sacrifice, and cooled in their blood. This an alloy so strong that those who wield it are the masters of this planet. It's composition is equal parts Honesty, Good Will, Loyalty to one's nation and heritage, and an Openness to new ideas. A sword made of the metal of American dreams and ideals, . Unfortunately, this Unbelievable Power has fallen into the wrong hands.
A heinous criminal act. Followed by an onslaught of fascist ideals. They've shown themselves to be an evil sect that will stop at nothing to accomplish their goals. Despite this, there are many people who do not, or will not, open themselves to the piles of information out there and come around to the truth. However, our ranks are growing daily.
What's missing from our repertoire, I humbly submit, is cohesiveness. There are simply too many, often bizarrely, divergent theories out there that threaten to weaken and humiliate our cause. I simply ask, why not come together and focus all of our energies upon that which we DO agree. 1) That these bastards were responsible, and 2) that they have been trying desperately ever since to cover up their actions. They may not know what the flag of the United States stands for, but they know enough to cloak themselves in it. Let's end this. Let's Roll on these motherfuckers.
DHS: "awakening even those
DHS:
"awakening even those people who had no desire to be awakened to the truth"----this is what I can't wait to see. Those that don't know to even question are one thing, those that are content to ignore the questions and discount those who are doing the questioning---they are the ones that realy piss me off. Why are some people so content in being fucking blind?
I might Speculatively add
I might Speculatively add Tim Robbins , Susan Sarandon , Beck ,Bono (kidding),Bart Simpson ,Neil Young ,To name a few...
What about Chapelle or chris rock anybody know?
No I didn't know Inside was
No I didn't know Inside was in SD. That sd911truth.org site does not have a message board. I'm gonna go create one on yahoo.com. I'm going to be a little more busy than usual with the semester coming to an end this month, but we need to get organized and get active.
all you gotta do is
all you gotta do is say;;;;
wtc7 proves 911 was an inside job
____________________----
then cue the '2001 a space odyssey theme'
Tonya, because they can't
Tonya,
because they can't handle the truth.
Space Odyssey makes me think
Space Odyssey makes me think of Ric Flair.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SanDiego9-11Truth/
Its true Stuart ,Lets put
Its true Stuart ,Lets put them on the defensive .They know all about divide and conquer,order from chaos , that is their ballcourt .Lets keep it simple and directed .Like focussing the hot sun through a magnifying glass ,the truth sears the flesh of these terror vamps,and burns through the layers of disinfo to the dark heart of the beast.
We are legion.
Well given Bono was
Well given Bono was considered(even jokingly) to head the World Bank, I doubt it.
I mention David Lynch as more and more on his site he's asking the hard 9/11 truth questionins, plugging Loose Change, etc. I mention comedian Joe Rogan and host of Fear Factor because he's tight with Alex Jones, seems to be signed up with various 9/11 truth related sites, and even on his blog he eludes to such stuff. We know Jeneane Garafalo and Mike Malloy are on our side. Randi Rhodes is really wanting to jump on board, you can feel it. I think others at Air America do to.
I think some o fthe biggest names to jump on board 9/11 Truth were people in the African American media and music community. I mean Aaron Mcgruder has been delivering big heaping doses of 9/11 truth in his mainstream nationally syndicated comic strip the Boondocks, as well as his cartoon(including a lot of other government coverups) Everyone from KRS One, Paris, JudaKiss, Mos Def, Chuck D, Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, etc have all done or contributed to incindiary 9/11 truth songs.
I'm waiting for some truly big names to come forward, be it interviews, on the radio, etc.
The strangest thing would be if Seth Mcfarlane, creator of Family Guy and American Dad came out. Why? Because he was almost a victim of 9/11 when he narrowly missed his seat on the Flight that hit the south tower. I see a lot of jabs at Bush, the war, and the CIA on his shows.
"Release Of Pentagon Images
"Release Of Pentagon Images Direct Assault On 9/11 Truth Movement"
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23330&l=i&size=1&hd=0
"Project Censored Dir. To Speak at 9/11 Truth Conf."
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0605/S00284.htm
"9/11 Commission report is a lie"
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/270284_connellyrebut16.html?source...
"United 93: "LetÂ’s Roll" The Official Conspiracy Theory"
http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/817/
"Videotapes dispel conspiracy"
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060516-101748-1168r.htm
Anyone else on here see an
Anyone else on here see an oppurtunity with Da Vinci Code? The public seems to have a hunger for "conspiracy theories".
Thats good project censored
Thats good project censored will be at the Chicago summit. PC is very well respected.
Doesn't this item in today's
Doesn't this item in today's post say it all in terms of the Democratic Party's complicity??
>>May 17, 2006 -- HOUSE Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi lunching with former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski at Teatro Goldoni on Washington's K Street corridor . . . "
This just in from Michael
This just in from Michael Meacher's office:
MEACHER, Michael
to me
More options 6:05 am (53 minutes ago)
After consideration, Mr Meacher is not arranging for this film to be shown.
Regards
Monica Masson
PA
i wouldn't show the film
i wouldn't show the film either, its very creepy and upsetting.
Are news agencies reporting
Are news agencies reporting no more film? Washington Post suggests that that's all folks!
Michael Meacher...NOOOOOOOOOO
According to the Washington
According to the Washington Times footage from the gas station and hotel yielded nothing, and there was no film in the traffic camera. How convenient.
Americans are being treated
Americans are being treated like children. :)
There is much to what George
There is much to what George W. posted at their blog:
"Psychologists tell us that many people's view of the government is a projection of their view of their parents. In other words, whatever they believe about their parents, they also believe about the government. The personal is the political in more ways than one. ..."
Recommended reading.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/04/they-wouldnt-do-that.html
According to the Washington
According to the Washington Times footage from the gas station and hotel yielded nothing, and there was no film in the traffic camera. How convenient.
MC | 05.17.06 - 7:33 am | #
Do you have a link for this? This seems pretty nosensical, even for the Times. The VDOT cameras don't even use film. It's all video...
Oops! Sorry, I missed the
Oops! Sorry, I missed the eariler link.
I still can't believe that the Times would report that there was "no film" in the traffic camera. Anyone with half a brain knows that all those surveillance cameras are video-based and have always been that way.
And if videos from the gas station and hotel "yielded nothing", then why not release them? What harm could it do?
I must say I am torn on the
I must say I am torn on the issue of the Pentagon. I have read many comments from people who claim to have seen the plane go into the building. Whether or not they are remembering accurately is another story, but they seem sincere. I am certainly concerned about being drawn to a "honey pot", and losing credibility. However, I just can't fathom how any amateur pilot could have performed that manuever. When you look at the clearances that would have to be maintained to hit that building the way it was hit, and not scrape the lawn, it seems impossible. Now that doesn't mean a jetliner didn't hit the Pentagon; it could have been remote controlled.
911truth.org has new shirts
911truth.org has new shirts that will be available in the online store and will also be ready for Chicago. If you can't come to Chicago, get them at the 911truth.org store. They say" Independent 9-11 Investigator" on the front with a simple 911truth.org on the back.
T-Bone, That is a great idea
T-Bone,
That is a great idea about the T-shirt and how to spread the word with it. I'm so old I probably wouldn't wear a T-shirt that said anything except maybe "Hanes" or "Have a nice day" but I'm going to tell some of the younger people I know about that.
Last night I was thinking about the 19 "Arab hijackers" and the flight schools and what these fellows put on their visa applications. How many of them were actually known to have gone to flight schools? Were any of them other than Moussaoui using simulators of jumbo jets at all? (And Moussaoui only did that for ONE DAY and then the instructors called the FBI to have him picked up after one day.)
The links on this article someone posted here yesterday http://www.physics911.net/sagadevan.htm show them going to flight schools for small, single engine planes. There is a disconnect. Why would they go to flight schools for small planes? What did they think they were doing? Absent the ginned up racism against Arabs and "Islamo-fascism" and "72 virgins," it would be a patently obvious, sloppy cover story that these men must have flown the planes because they'd had this flight school training.
Hey guys, all of this
Hey guys, all of this attention is great, even if its not favorable to the truth movement. I kind of compare it to an analogy used in boxing. When the opponent is throwing hard punches; dont panic, just roll with the punches. And let the opponet punch himself out. Then we'll just go right back to work spreading the truth. Don't panic fella's we're winning!
A couple of weeks ago some
A couple of weeks ago some of you guys were discussing the Minetta testimony, and in particular the young aide who asked Cheney "did the order still stand" as the plane approached the Pentagon. Has anyone managed to discover the name of this aide. I sure would like to know what that "order" was.
The fabulous "Loose Change"
The fabulous "Loose Change" is N°1 on GoogleVideo !!!
http://home.comcast.net/~gold
http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/pentagon.gif
http://x400.putfile.com/video
http://x400.putfile.com/videos/d4-31003382193.avi
See the woman waving in the bottom right hand corner? She is screamig, "NO PLANE, NO PLANE!" Look at the colums to the far left. How could the wing of a jet plane penetrate the steel colums and then the colums rejoin? They can't in the real world. Where is the plane debis?
"See the woman waving in the
"See the woman waving in the bottom right hand corner? She is screamig, "NO PLANE, NO PLANE!" Look at the colums to the far left. How could the wing of a jet plane penetrate the steel colums and then the colums rejoin? They can't in the real world. Where is the plane debis?"
_____--
You're out of control.
I think ya can add Fear
I think ya can add Fear Factor/NewsRadio's Joe Rogan and Director David Lynch to celebrities for 9/11 Truth. I definately believe Alex Jones when he says there is a LOT of celebrities are privately for 9/11 truth and questioning the official version.
pockybot | 05.17.06 - 3:11 am | #
Joe Rogan? what did he say?
Jon, What is that?
Jon,
What is that?
Don't get pulled in Jon, Its
Don't get pulled in Jon, Its not worth it. Your talents are needed in other areas.
http://home.comcast.net/~gold
http://home.comcast.net/~gold947...72/ pentagon.gif
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.17.06 - 9:23 am | #
^ LOL good one Jon that made be laugh man.
And AmandaReconwith, "She is screamig, "NO PLANE, NO PLANE!" I actually find that shit highly offensive, could you quit putting words in the mouths of people who were about perish! And could you also quit this no plane bullshit itÂ’s not helping anybody.
"Don't get pulled in Jon,
"Don't get pulled in Jon, Its not worth it. Your talents are needed in other areas."
I actually think it's possible 77 did hit the Pentagon, and from that image I posted, it may very well be roughly the same size. However, it looks as though the nose crumpled. Of course, those who believe something other than Flight 77 will say, "Well then why wasn't the Pentalawn 2000 destroyed", etc...
Don't worry, I'm not getting sucked up into that avenue of research.
Here's something sbg, and
Here's something sbg, and myself came up with a while back...
"Flight 77 disappeared from radar screens over Indianapolis at around 8:50 based on the FAA transcript, and at 8:51 according to the 9/11 Report. Indianapolis is 593 miles from Washington D.C according to www.mapquest.com. A Boeing 757 travels at a top speed of 609 mph according to the Boeing website.. Whatever hit the Pentagon, hit at 9:37:46 based on the 9/11 Report. It is possible Flight 77 hit the Pentagon in 46-47 minutes based on those numbers, and times, and that a plane covers distances faster at higher altitudes."
We just wanted to see if it
We just wanted to see if it was possible to actually be Flight 77. I think it was possible. That's why I still won't jump on that wagon.
A la Alex Jones: What if the
A la Alex Jones: What if the leaked video of 3yrs ago was the honey pot alex refers to, and this newly released video was the one that was to silence the truth movement? If so, it really backfired on them cause they let it fester too long and now the truth is breaking out.
And why is the leaked wispy white image so different than this very clear new nosecone video, that they just released?
And is it true? Meacher's not showing Loose Change?
Don't forget - everyone with questions for the government should be signing the scholars for truth petition.
And has everyone written to Jamie McIntyre requesting he show his photos. He must know he has been in the 9/11 truth videos.
It's interesting the press is walking a fine line. They slam us, but they are also seemingly spreading 9/11 truth. What's up with that? Perhaps I'm being wishful, but maybe that's just to keep the Washington guys happy while creatively stoking the movement. I mean what else can they do besides lose their jobs.
Was it a plane ? a missile?
Was it a plane ? a missile? a military aircraft? Who knows, but I like physics911.net approach on questioning their ability to fly the aircraft 593 miles back to the Pentagon. You gotta hand it to those highjackers! I have taken a copy of the page and hope to discuss its contents with a friend of mine who fly's 747's for one the U.K.'s largest airlines on Thursday night.
If the numbers are right,
If the numbers are right, and it is possible 77 hit the Pentagon based on numbers alone, then you will probably never see me jump on the "something other than Flight 77" bandwagon. That's my personal opinion.
Do I think them witholding 85 videos is right? No. Do I think the media portraying that ridiculous video as concrete proof of 77 hitting the Pentagon is right? No. Do I think they're hiding something? Yes.
DHS, Your very creative at
DHS,
Your very creative at 3am.
I love the poem and I might add that your poem is also great description of the spiritual journey and its effects.
Absolutely... I will be the
Absolutely... I will be the FIRST one to say that I don't think the individuals we were told flew those planes, flew those planes. Not that they weren't on those planes. That's very possible. However, I don't think they could find their targets let alone hit them with the precision they showed that day.
The complexity of the
The complexity of the attacks of 9/11 is a hint. Look at the majority of the attacks since that time. One person, one bomb, two people, two bombs, no attempted hijackings (even though security is really no better), etc... 19 individuals did not do what we were told that day. Period.
The best they can do since
The best they can do since 9/11 is bring a shoe bomber on board, or have a "bomb scare" here and there... where are another 19 willing participants ready to take out other American interests?
Jon, Of course, you've seen
Jon,
Of course, you've seen it many times but I just this morning watched the video of Gypsy Taub confronting Philip Zelikow and the amazing part of that video is what he says before she confronts him, that these 19 individuals were able to penetrate our security systems by studying them.
That's a great video, and I
That's a great video, and I thank Carol and Gypsy for doing that... I honestly don't remember what Zelikow was saying, or Veniste, etc...
However, "19 individuals were able to penetrate our security systems by studying them", and by obtaining visas through the Visa Express program opened in June 2001, and only for Saudi Arabia. That's one thing I don't think John Albanese was right about. To my knowledge, it was the CIA Consolate in Jeddah that gave them their visas. Not the U.S. Embassy? Or are they one and the same?
I agree with Jon entirely
I agree with Jon entirely that those individuals where never on those planes. Keep up the good work guys!
http://www.joaquin-phoenix.ne
http://www.joaquin-phoenix.net/pics/screen/signs19.jpg
Hollywood fashion tips: What to wear on 6/6/6 while crossing the Golden Gate Bridge.
Here's something sbg, and
Here's something sbg, and myself came up with a while back...
"Flight 77 disappeared from radar screens over Indianapolis at around 8:50 based on the FAA transcript, and at 8:51 according to the 9/11 Report. Indianapolis is 593 miles from Washington D.C according to www.mapquest.com. A Boeing 757 travels at a top speed of 609 mph according to the Boeing website.. Whatever hit the Pentagon, hit at 9:37:46 based on the 9/11 Report. It is possible Flight 77 hit the Pentagon in 46-47 minutes based on those numbers, and times, and that a plane covers distances faster at higher altitudes."
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.17.06 - 10:11 am | #
We just wanted to see if it was possible to actually be Flight 77. I think it was possible. That's why I still won't jump on that wagon.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.17.06 - 10:13 am | #
lets not bring sbg into this...
Do the orders still stand ?
Do the orders still stand ?
The "nerve center" of the
The "nerve center" of the U.S. military/industrial complex is surveilled by a couple of K-Mart web cams on poles??? GTFOOH.
SHOW ME THE PLANE!!!
"I agree with Jon entirely
"I agree with Jon entirely that those individuals where never on those planes."
I didn't say that. I said, "19 individuals did not do what we were told that day.", and "I will be the FIRST one to say that I don't think the individuals we were told flew those planes, flew those planes. Not that they weren't on those planes. That's very possible."
So you see, I think it's very possible at least some of those 19 individuals were on those planes. I just don't think they did as we were told.
"lets not bring sbg into
"lets not bring sbg into this..."
Why not? He's the one who helped me come up with those times.
If the numbers are right,
If the numbers are right, and it is possible 77 hit the Pentagon based on numbers alone, then you will probably never see me jump on the "something other than Flight 77" bandwagon. That's my personal opinion.
Do I think them witholding 85 videos is right? No. Do I think the media portraying that ridiculous video as concrete proof of 77 hitting the Pentagon is right? No. Do I think they're hiding something? Yes.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.17.06 - 10:24 am | #
for a person that says, all the time, that he doesnt spend time on the pentagon, you sure spend a lot of time telling people over and over that you think 77 hit the pentagon... funny..
"for a person that says, all
"for a person that says, all the time, that he doesnt spend time on the pentagon, you sure spend a lot of time telling people over and over that you think 77 hit the pentagon... funny.."
You like to instigate don't you? You like to try and silence those who don't agree with you, don't you? Guess what? I'm not taking your bait. Next...
The New York Times Cover-Up
The New York Times Cover-Up Continues
It's been four and a half years since the attack on the World Trade Center. The death toll continues to rise.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-pope/the-new-york-times-cover_b_21110...
To my knowledge, it was the
To my knowledge, it was the CIA Consolate in Jeddah that gave them their visas. Not the U.S. Embassy? Or are they one and the same?
Jon Gold
Your both right. The CIA created the 'express visa program' at the embassy, but it was still issued through the embassy.
Why not? He's the one who
Why not? He's the one who helped me come up with those times.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.17.06 - 10:53 am | #
should i use things said between me and sgb in pm also just to make it look like sbg thinks the same as i do??? no...
"should i use things said
"should i use things said between me and sgb in pm also just to make it look like sbg thinks the same as i do??? no..."
Did I say sbg thought the same as I do, or helped me get those times? I believe I said, "Here's something sbg, and myself came up with a while back..." Does that mean he thinks Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, or helped me to come up with those times?
"Your both right. The CIA
"Your both right. The CIA created the 'express visa program' at the embassy, but it was still issued through the embassy."
Ok. Whew, it's been a while since I thought of those visas... one of the first things I found I believe.
gold what other part of the
gold what other part of the official story do you stand up for????
youre doing a great job with the terrorists, able danger, and flight 77 hitting the pentagon...
what else you got???
"gold what other part of the
"gold what other part of the official story do you stand up for????
youre doing a great job with the terrorists, able danger, and flight 77 hitting the pentagon...
what else you got???"
I don't stand up for any part of the official story. If I "stood up" for the official story, I don't think I would be posting on this blog.
Is anyone else tired of inside constantly harassing me? Trying to egg me on? Acting shillish?
I know I am.
dont turn shit around on me
dont turn shit around on me gold!!! HAHAHAH!!!
show me where ive done anything shilly....
you on the other hand do shit all the time that is very shilly!!!!
the only time i have ever been called a shill is by you and your buddies here the other day... why was i called a shill??? because i called you one over the shit you say day after day about flight 77....
dont think its you gold, id attack anyone saying the same crap as you, youre just the one that posts ever second of the day....
The nose cone has a black
The nose cone has a black ring, as you can see in this picture enlargement...
http://i4.tinypic.com/zx1mo1.jpg
Quite normal for a AA Boeing, isn't it?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Aa757.jpg/250px...
Did anyone catch The Daily
Did anyone catch The Daily Show or The Colbert Report last night? I'm wondering if there was any mention of the video release.
I think your both doing a
I think your both doing a great job turning this thread into a unproductive personal squabble, the day after the MSM has publicized and acknowledged the existence of 911 skeptics,
Don't make you use profanity!
Remember the official story
Remember the official story has it that a C-130 cargo plane was following Flight77 and the pilot saw the fireball below him.
On the other videos there would have to be this C-130 or else the story was a lie. The C-130 pilot was one of the handful of people that claimed to have seen the actual crash of a jetliner, not just the approach of one.
the funny thing is that if
the funny thing is that if they released a real video of flight 77 hitting the pentagon i wouldnt have to eat one word....
is everyone scared to be wrong??? if you think something is true and it turns out to be wrong does that mean that everything that you think is true is not???
most of you guys act like we are a house of cards that can be blown down at anytime....
like i said before, we can prove that 911 was an inside job without looking at the 4 flights and 4 buildings....
> >The "nerve center" of the
>
>The "nerve center" of the U.S. >military/industrial complex is >surveilled by a couple of K-Mart web >cams on poles??? GTFOOH.
>
>Anonymous | 05.17.06 - 10:50 am | #
>
It's also "surveilled" by thousands of passing cars on the freeway, so what.
So show me some video of the
So show me some video of the 757???
What's your point, Greg?
Lucid: no mention on TDS of
Lucid: no mention on TDS of TCR
As for that "Poem", if you click it you will know where it comes from.
Could some believer in the
Could some believer in the plane explain why that plane at 530 mph (official story) didn´t have any effect on the cars and people it supposedly passed over. I mean it had to be virtually on top of the cars. :) One of those so called witnesses claimed that it passed over his car at circa 30 feet. But neither he nor any other "witnesses" suffered anything from this nor did their cars. And that magic plane didn´t ruffle the Pentagon lawn in the least.
Face it; a 100 ton 757 going at full speed virtually feet off the ground is going to have proound effects on the environment. If it's possible to even fly it at this speed this close to the ground at all. :)
It's bound to have profound
It's bound to have profound effects.
Those witnesses should at least have lost their hearing and their cars would have been sent careening.
Greg, you expect me to
Greg, you expect me to believe the Pentagon security, around a heliport no less, consists of 2 shitty security cameras??? Are we talking about some 2nd-rate convenience store in Alabama or the Pentagon? If those Arabs had robbed a Buger King, we'd have better video of the incident! That's what.
Could some believer in the
Could some believer in the plane explain why that plane at 530 mph (official story) didn´t have any effect on the cars and people it supposedly passed over. I mean it had to be virtually on top of the cars. One of those so called witnesses claimed that it passed over his car at circa 30 feet. But neither he nor any other "witnesses" suffered anything from this nor did their cars. And that magic plane didn´t ruffle the Pentagon lawn in the least.
Face it; a 100 ton 757 going at full speed virtually feet off the ground is going to have proound effects on the environment. If it's possible to even fly it at this speed this close to the ground at all.
Gangster | 05.17.06 - 11:39 am | #
they cant and they wont...
i just find it a bit crazy for anyone (not dz or sbg) who has been researching 911 for 3 plus years to still think the 77 hit the pentagon....
DRG is right on when it comes to 911... all of you that thinks that the pentagon is our down fall must must think that DRG is hurting the movement.... thats crazy talk...
> >Greg, you expect me to
>
>Greg, you expect me to believe the ...
>
>Anonymous
>
I misunderstood your post. Yeah, i mean it's a highly visible building for anyone and there's no reason why in the world no camera, no photograph or anything was made of the plane. The only explanation for that is that it never existed, at least it didn't crash.
We were shown a static, planted bomb that went off and told it was a plane-crash, same with Flight 93, what a joke.
Also why was there never any statement about the missile batteries around the Pentagon? on 9/11/2002 Bush installed mobile surface-to-air launchers around Washington and at the Pentagon. Why this if the Pentagon has a defense already.
If anyone is using AOL IM, contact User "youthenraged", this is a guy that claims to have seen Flight77 crashing as he was on the freeway nearby.
Jet engines destroy cars:
Jet engines destroy cars: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1132999307/747_Jet_Crosswinds_Top_Gear_Test
so how did this get
so how did this get there?
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/084.html
either you have to believe it was put in during reconstruction, or moved in after everyone in the world was watching it.
stating anything as fact is a bad idea in my opinion.
I doub't doubt that a plane
I doub't doubt that a plane hit the Pentagon..... I just don't believe that it was THE 757 that hit the Pentagon.
People who witnessed the plane, probably did see something....
However, with a plane going (supposedly 500MPH) there is no way they could positively identify the plane. Hell, when I see the blue angels, I can't tell 100% when they are going full speed that they are the blue angels. I am able to watch them because I know they are there the whole time too. Now just imagine not knowing the planes are coming and trying to identify them.
So no, I don't believe that the witnesses actuall can say or be believed that they saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon. I'm sure they saw a plane hit, but I am not convinced, or even believe, that it was 77.
I wished people would look at things logically!!! If someone could tell me when the FBI has ever led an investigation into an aircraft over the NTSB, then I will look into it.
Also, the Pentagon is much more SOLID then the WTC. Yet the plane can crash through the Pentagon multiple layers, and not through the WTC (Mostly air ) building????
See the problem????
Yes, Greg. A
Yes, Greg. A super-important, secure building like that was under extreme surveillance, not by just a few kid's webcams in the parking lot.
"Could some believer in the
"Could some believer in the plane explain why that plane at 530 mph (official story) didn´t have any effect on the cars and people it supposedly passed over. I mean it had to be virtually on top of the cars. One of those so called witnesses claimed that it passed over his car at circa 30 feet. But neither he nor any other "witnesses" suffered anything from this nor did their cars. And that magic plane didn´t ruffle the Pentagon lawn in the least."
Didn't it hit those lights?
Does anyone have some good
Does anyone have some good links to further analysis of the released videos? Gangster?
Everyone knows these vidoeos are a joke. Why would they release these particular videos? It shows nothing to help the official theory.
I just want the Joke on them and not on us.
The jet engines destroy 2
The jet engines destroy 2 cars link above^ was a 747, but the cars were also 150 feet away!
"Infowars has never chosen
"Infowars has never chosen to focus on it because the evidence surrounding the explosions in the Pentagon do not compare to the ironclad evidence we have about other aspects of 9/11."
Good advice.
Arguing about the Pentagon
Arguing about the Pentagon is like being on a merry-go-round. You go 'round and 'round but you never go anywhere.
that doesnt mean you should
that doesnt mean you should ignore the Pentagon.thats a mistake. this bullshit video proves that much. is it possible they have better footage to be released later when the 9/11 truth movement reaches critical mass? sure it is. but this just looks like desperation to me.
Jon, I don´t know what
Jon, I don´t know what pulled up those posts. It wasn´t a 757, much less at 530 mph. The people who made up the story they can´t even substantiate (official spinners) need to explain that.
This Pentagon bunk doesn´t make it up to the level of THEORY. Bona fide theories have been tried and experimented with and shown to work. So far they've only produced a fairy tale.
I should have said, "arguing
I should have said, "arguing about WHAT HIT the Pentagon..."
So were there any email
So were there any email blasts last night to the media?
"""At 9:37:46, American
"""At 9:37:46, American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour.61 All on board, as well as many civilian and military personnel in the building, were killed."""
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm
Fundamentals.
Those who believe that a 757 hit the Pentagon, ie. believe the official story, always carefully avoid mentioning this speed. They never make the slightest attempt at showing how that plane got there. Maybe they consider it just a silent glider I don´t know.
I would like to talk about
I would like to talk about how a plane managed to get within 50 miles of the Pentagon after the second tower was hit... because as we all know, after the second plane was hit, there was no doubt that "America was under attack". If there was no doubt that "America was under attack", then why weren't any fighters scrambled from the neighboring Andrews Air Force Base?
How did that happen? Is it because the obvious answer is a "stand-down"?
Unfortunately for
Unfortunately for officialdom they're stuck with this nonsense. They can´t tone down the speed since then they'd need to change the scene
which very obviously is impossible !
So, they've already hanged themselves.
They overhyped the speed to
They overhyped the speed to be able to spin this bull about the plane having evaporated - since dozens of tons of wreckage from the supposed crash of a 757 was missing from the scene !
Gangster why don't you chime
Gangster why don't you chime in over here:
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/15850/Pentagon_Supposed_to_Release_Video_Which...
How did that happen? Is it
How did that happen? Is it because the obvious answer is a "stand-down"?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.17.06 - 12:28 pm | #
or it was a "friendly" aircraft that went rogue at the last second and slammed into the Pentagon.its easier to fit a military plane(which is how the air traffic controllers watching it described the so called Flight 77 as moving as) with drone technology than it is a 757.
Some people involved in the
Some people involved in the scam are starting to cover their behinds. Yesterday's nonsense shows this. They'll claim that they issued the nonsensical video to help break the case. It's every man for himself now. :)
" whoops, we got the speed
" whoops, we got the speed wrong"
Government spokeman.
I'm looking at this as a prosecuter.....
Pursue all leads in your investigation of the crime but choose the most solid for the actual prosecution.
So we can get a conviction.!!
Professional, I like it fine
Professional, I like it fine here. Intelligent audience. Shill cockroaches are stamped out instantly. Those lefty gatekeepers are for the birds.
But the passengers' corpses
But the passengers' corpses were all (but 1) IDed using DNA! Of course!
On rare occasions when I've been driving about 60 mph and a car or motorcycle passes me @ 120 mph, it looks like a blurr to me, and it's only going 60 mph faster. 530 mph is almost bullet speed!
RP, the commission points to
RP, the commission points to TSA and NTSB for info about that plane.
They had two years to figure out the speed of the plane.
Morning all. What did I
Morning all. What did I miss?
A substitute teacher speaks
A substitute teacher speaks out about 9/11 and is put on administrative leave, Columbus, Ohio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg0PV8gQOcQ
"So we can get a
"So we can get a conviction.!!"
You mean like laying the "ground-work". The PNAC's creation. Their statements, and letters. The election fraud of 2000. The first cabinet meeting after inauguration where Bush specifically asked for a way to invade Iraq. The Energy Task force meetings that planned out the strategy for Iraq, and were headed by Dick Cheney that we do not have access to. Cheney's appointment to head the Counter-Terrorism Task Force that never conveyed a meeting until September 2001. The Joint Chiefs Of Staff changing standard operating procedures regarding hijackings in June 2001, and placing complete command under the NMCC, and the DOD. The multitude of warnings recevied by all of our intelligence apparatus in the summer of 2001. The odd precautionary steps taken by individuals within Government having specifically to do with air safety (John Ashcroft, The top Pentagon brass, etc...). The warning to Pakistan's Foreign Secretary about the October invasion for Afghanistan. The meetings between American officials, and Pakistani officials in the weeks prior to, and on the day of 9/11. Pakistan, who helped to fund 9/11. The fact that the Caspian Sea Pipeline would not have been created if not for the invasion of Afghanistan. The list goes on and on, and when you add them all up, it spells inside job.
I was talking to my wife
I was talking to my wife last night about the Mineta testimony and I decided to watch the clip again. SOmething that struck me as odd was that Hamilton asked Mineta about the "order" Bush gave to shoot down commercial airliners. Mineta testifies that he was not in the room with Cheney when that order was given but found out after the fact. In the testimony they asume the order was to shoot flight 77 down. The aide asked, "Do the orders still stand?" Cheney responds, "Of coarse! Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Can anyone conclude by this testimony that the "orders" was to shoot down 77?
Jon, it's an extremely
Jon, it's an extremely compelling accumulation of evidence. Now if you can find a district attorney with a pulse to act on that evidence you'll have the case cracked in no time.
"but found out after the
"but found out after the fact."
DING!
RUDY'S DEPUTY: I HAVE 9/11
RUDY'S DEPUTY: I HAVE 9/11 ILLNESS http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/68669.htm
Lee Hamilton was coercing
Lee Hamilton was coercing Mineta to agree to what type of order was given, a "Shoot-Down", but Mineta plainly says that he didn't find out until later what the actual order was.
Now; Bush and Cheney had to
Now; Bush and Cheney had to appear before the commission hand in hand together and they couldn´t testify under oath and the full commission couldn´t be present and nobody could take notes, the secret service made sure of that. Come on guys. Does this look like people without culpability? :)
Jon, And I think if the
Jon,
And I think if the "order" was to shoot the plane down, wouldn't it have been shot down? Uhm.....Duh..Yes! Lee Hamilton is a Bafoon! I like it when Mineta makes his comment about flight 93 saying at the time he thought, "Did we shoot it down?"
Exactly. Bush and Cheney
Exactly. Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath, they refused to allow a recording, they refused to do it without each other, they refused to do it publicly. Nah, they had nothing to hide.
Even scumbag Bill Clinton allowed a recording.
RUDY'S DEPUTY: I HAVE 9/11
RUDY'S DEPUTY: I HAVE 9/11 ILLNESS http://www.nypost.com/news/regio...lnews/ 68669.htm
Anonymous | 05.17.06 - 12:51 pm | #
now thats ironic. lets hope this gives him some more incentive to research 9/11.would be quite a name to have on the side of 9/11 truth.
"Jon, And I think if the
"Jon,
And I think if the "order" was to shoot the plane down, wouldn't it have been shot down? Uhm.....Duh..Yes! Lee Hamilton is a Bafoon! I like it when Mineta makes his comment about flight 93 saying at the time he thought, "Did we shoot it down?"
Remember... the young man was "running in and out".
Would he need to run in and out if the order was to shoot down the plane? No, he would have received that order, and awaited confirmation of the shoot down to report back to Cheney.
The reason he was running in and out of the room was because he was unsure of following whatever order he was given.
Which is why he asked, "DO
Which is why he asked, "DO THE ORDERS STILL STAND?!?"
Burlingame's (dead pilot of
Burlingame's (dead pilot of Flight 77) family members say that there's no new info in the just-released government videos. So the quantitative analysis at http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/im-2ndlev.html still stands. It reveals that it was NOT A BOEING 757 that hit the Pentagon.
So the brainwacked planehuggers can all now eat shit and die.
I would like to speak to
I would like to speak to that "young man".
"So the brainwacked
"So the brainwacked planehuggers can all now eat shit and die."
Yeah, that's a great way to get people on your side. Some of you people need to learn how to debate.
If that "young man" is even
If that "young man" is even alive anymore.
Would you keep someone alive
Would you keep someone alive who questioned your criminal orders?
I would like a list of all
I would like a list of all of the individuals who were with Cheney inside the PEOC. Is that possible to get?
http://911research.com/essays
http://911research.com/essays/pentagon/video.html
Yes, these insults are
Yes, these insults are pointless. What I'm interested in is evidence and more importantly accumulated evidence. You don´t have to agree with EVERYTHING someone says, you can still consider other parts of their input and evidence.
Troubling Reportage:
Troubling Reportage: 'PENTAGON RELEASES CRASH VIDEO' http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/05/con06198.html
"I would like a list of all
"I would like a list of all of the individuals who were with Cheney inside the PEOC. Is that possible to get?"
--
We could ask Lynne Cheney. She was there. Whether she had "clearance" or a role to play is another matter.
OT: Here's a funny story. A
OT:
Here's a funny story. A few years back I had to pick up my wife and her friend at the San Diego Airport on their way back from New Orleans. I hadn't been to the Airport since 9/11, so I was unfamiliar with all of the new security. I was trying to figure our how to get to her gate so I could meet them right as they got off the plane. I headed over to the security check and I saw an open hallway to the left of the metal detectors. I thought to myself, "Oh, I'll just go this way." I headed down the hallway when all of the sudden..."BWOOOP!! BWOOOP!!! BWOOOP!!! (red lights flashing, alarms going off)" Then a digital voice recording blares, "BACK UP!!! BACK UP!!! BACK UP!!!" A security guard from the security check comes around the corner with his hand on his gun. I just about jumped out of my skin, threw up my hands, said, "Sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't know." The alarms turned off, the guard went back to his post, and everyone laughed at me.
we should all send this one
we should all send this one portion of the article to that douchebag Fitton at Judicial Watch:
Further down, Burns writes: “The Pentagon had previously refused to release the videos, saying they had been provided to the Justice Department as evidence in any criminal proceedings.” Now comes this quote from Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton: “We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11.” Does Fitton really believe that those images are important contributions to the completion of the public record? Why did he fight so hard for them if they were already all over the internet? Does Fitton know, as many do, that the video government agents grabbed from the NEXCOMM Citgo gas station camera that was literally pointing right at the side where the Pentagon was hit, might provide a more “complete” record? Mr. Fitton, get that video if you can.
A spokesman for judicial
A spokesman for judicial watch was on Oriely last night and he said one of the main reasons they wanted the video released was to disprove the "conspiracy theories". Even Bill said he didn't see a plane in the video just an explosion. The Jusdicial Watch guy said, "Well, if you slow it down and really look, you can see it."
What Judicial Watch fails to
What Judicial Watch fails to recognize is that the entire 9/11 Truth Movement does not revolve around what hit the Pentagon.
This is a CRIMINAL
This is a CRIMINAL CASE.
However the clever brainwashing trick the perpetrators used was to declare it AN ACT OF WAR. This allowed them to sweep the whole thing under the carpet, destroy the evidence and cook up the nonsensical fables. But it also led to arrogance and sloppiness on their part and now it's blowing up in their faces.
You might want to read and
You might want to read and comment on the following article at Alternet, regarding the "newly" released Pentagon footage: Pentagon releases Flight 77 video footage from 9/11
DemocraticUnderground.com
DemocraticUnderground.com really disappointed me today.
Skinner's post says it all:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo...
So; always remember to
So; always remember to approach 9/11 as police or prosecutors would. You cna´t go wrong this way. Think accumulated evidence.
"So; always remember to
"So; always remember to approach 9/11 as police or prosecutors would. You cna´t go wrong this way. Think accumulated evidence."
And remember, do not try and get around airport security. See story above. :)
regarding the supposed 757
regarding the supposed 757 parts found in the Pentagon, remember what Operation Northwoods said:
page 14 article 9 part C:
At precisely the same time that the aircraft was
presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft
would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately
15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots
retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as
they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched
and parts of aircraft found.
so those parts could have been planted via whatever hit the Pentagon. just a thought.
'Here's a funny story. A few
'Here's a funny story. A few years back I had to pick up my wife and her friend at the San Diego Airport on their way back from New Orleans. I hadn't been to the Airport since 9/11, so I was unfamiliar with all of the new security. I was trying to figure our how to get to her gate so I could meet them right as they got off the plane. I headed over to the security check and I saw an open hallway to the left of the metal detectors. I thought to myself, "Oh, I'll just go this way." I headed down the hallway when all of the sudden..."BWOOOP!! BWOOOP!!! BWOOOP!!! (red lights flashing, alarms going off)" Then a digital voice recording blares, "BACK UP!!! BACK UP!!! BACK UP!!!" A security guard from the security check comes around the corner with his hand on his gun. I just about jumped out of my skin, threw up my hands, said, "Sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't know." The alarms turned off, the guard went back to his post, and everyone laughed at me.
T-Bone | 05.17.06 - 1:18 pm | # '
You weren't carrying box cutters, were you? Or munching on pork chops? No copy of Reader's Wives under your arm?
Silly me - if you were doing any of the above, security would have just waved you through.
regarding the supposed 757
regarding the supposed 757 parts found in the Pentagon, remember what Operation Northwoods said:
page 14 article 9 part C:
At precisely the same time that the aircraft was
presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft
would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately
15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots
retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as
they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched
and parts of aircraft found.
so those parts could have been planted via whatever hit the Pentagon. just a thought.
boast | 05.17.06 - 1:43 pm | #
also boast, remember there were either 3 or 4 different warnings that another plane was incoming. they did this multiple times and told everyone,including medical to get out and get back.sounds like an oppurtunity to me.
Payne, Nope. The funny
Payne,
Nope. The funny thing is nobody came to question me. I was sure I was going to be snatched up and questioned. I am half mexican so I could have been mistaken for an arab. I hope that didn't sound racist in any way.
Payne, Nope. The funny thing
Payne,
Nope. The funny thing is nobody came to question me. I was sure I was going to be snatched up and questioned. I am half mexican so I could have been mistaken for an arab. I hope that didn't sound racist in any way.
T-Bone | 05.17.06 - 1:49 pm | #
that happens all the time t-bone... thats where the people leaving come out and if they go to far and try to trun back it goes off...
Well, it sure got my
Well, it sure got my attention.
An important article by
An important article by Daniel Hopsicker has gone unmentioned, I believe:
"5.5 Ton Cocaine Bust Reveals New Details of 911 Attack"
http://madcowprod.com/
Kudos to Hopsicker for being one of the few, "famous" 911 researchers who appears to be doing ORIGINAL research.
And shame on not just the US Government for peddling so much unverifiable stuff, while preventing private citizens from confirming/disconfirming by keeping evidence out of public hands, but also the 911 Truth community, as a whole, since we have collectively produced next to no other Daniel Hopsickers, nor have we attempted to verify Hopsicker's work.
There needs to be a way to fund serious investigative reporters, which apparently is just what Daniel Hopsicker is.....
I have posted a proposal on the Randi Rhodes show forum for replacing our current media with a new, sustainable media that facilitates the selection of "filtering agents". You can think of these as honest gatekeepers that YOU trust - and that keep out trivial information, rather than very important information that groups with economic and other hidden agendas prefer to hide from you.
The thread is entitled: "Putting the NY Times Out of Business"
The thread is subtitled: "Proposal to replace ALL corrupt media"
Link:
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=76406
PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED
Inside, Thats weird that you
Inside,
Thats weird that you attended my graduation. What was your friends name that knew some of those names?
' I am half mexican so I
' I am half mexican so I could have been mistaken for an arab. I hope that didn't sound racist in any way.
T-Bone | 05.17.06 - 1:49 pm | #'
Well that was the Met Police's initial excuse (which has subsequently changed several times) for shooting Charles De Mendes on 22/7 - 'he looked like the arabic guy that we were tracking'.
More nonsense.
Payne, That kind of freaks
Payne,
That kind of freaks me out. I had a dream last night that I was arrested for mistaken identity.
However the clever
However the clever brainwashing trick the perpetrators used was to declare it AN ACT OF WAR.
Gangster
And of course they will use this same tactic on us.
"Their not trying to solve a crime, their trying to undermine our national security and make us weak in the face of our enemies. Just look who suppoerts these same views, Iran, Chavez., the Islamic world....i.e our enemies."
From Government propaganda officer
(MA / PHD in social psychology from Ivy league school now making much more than a professor and feeling powerful and patriotic)
Be prepared for it.
See the letter to Jones that I posted below for a more subtle taste of things to come.
Inside, Thats weird that you
Inside,
Thats weird that you attended my graduation. What was your friends name that knew some of those names?
T-Bone | 05.17.06 - 1:59 pm | #
hey bud, its a small world...
i cant give out my friends names here.. id like to yap in pm and would say we could use golds board but he bann me... lol.. do you have a good message board we could us?? or use this email but tell me if you send one because i never use it... daleftroright@mail.com
t-bone, the email is
t-bone, the email is daleftrsoright@mail.com this one is right...
"do you have a good message
"do you have a good message board we could use??"
Nope. I'll e-mail you at that address tonight when I get home. Maybe you should try and patch things up with Gold. Remember, butting heads with people gets us nowhere. Respectful debate is the only way to communicate with topics like this, even if the other party does not adhere to those rules. Not saying you weren't being respectful, just a rule I live by.
Gangster, You'll love this.
Gangster,
You'll love this. I was on another board making the point about the 757 going 530 mph a few feet off the ground and how that seems impossible. Here is a response.
"You are right about a 757 at 530mph. The ground effect/wake effect would be disgusting. I have trouble holding a Cessna 152 at 100kts within 10 feet of the ground, which is way more training than the hijackers had who brought the 757 in at a ridiculously low altitude, without grazing the engines onto the ground (the 757 has very depressed engines, which I'm sure has been brought up 10000 times).
I'm still too skeptical to join the conspiracy bandwagons, but there's something rotten in Denmark."
venezuela investigation,
venezuela investigation, this should be fun
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
May 17th post
Guys, I need you to save
Guys, I need you to save this stuff.
Notice the typical ordnance blast smoke plume.
http://www.tribby.net/pentagon/
Anonymous thank you. Keep on
Anonymous thank you. Keep on digging.
I believe it was a A3
I believe it was a A3 Warrior jet,called a Whale,an old Aircraft carrier jet that was retrofitted with remote and a missile.There is a good story about how it was retrofitted in Colorado or somewhere,guided in by the C130 of course.With of course the White 747 way up in the sky above Washington.As it flew in it fired the missile and followed it in.Looks like that to me in the released vid.Ahha !
Do a search its all out there-the info I mean.
Wallis
Jon, I understand that you
Jon,
I understand that you wish to pursue the most obviously flawed claims of the official 9/11 story.
WTC 7 having fallen at/near free-fall speed after NOT having been hit by an airliner can't be explained away.... and it may very well be the lynch-pin of 9/11 truth. But the Pentagon is no less glaring with impossibilites... some of which defy the very forces which make flight possible!
Inside did you see that post
Inside did you see that post above ?
A plane the size of a 757
A plane the size of a 757 traveling above 500+ mph creates a LARGE negative pressure area (e.g. a vacuum) just below & behind it. The force would have been enormous.
People, trees, cars, bus shelters... anything below & behind the plane would have been sucked along in the 'wake' and left as a debris-field behind the jet. This, in addition to the destruction that thrust from a 757's engines (at full throttle) would have rained on the area.
Funny...
If we talk about planes everyone throws their arms up... but what about Indy car? Do any of you question why manhole covers must be welded shut, or otherwise locked-down when Indy cars race on a "road course". The reason being so they don't "suck" the lids out of the road as they pass over. An Indy car is small, with very little mass traveling at sub 200mph speeds - albeit inches from the ground. Now imagine a 100 ton aircraft traveling at 500 mph, just feet off of the ground.
Inside did you see that post
Inside did you see that post above ?
wallis | 05.17.06 - 2:47 pm | #
Nope, posted while I was typing away. ;>)
I used to buy into the
I used to buy into the theory that the people ignoring the Pentagon
or accepting the official story there while doing good diligence
on other segments of the 9/11 story, were some sort of disinfo
agents - but now my conclusion is that most of them aren´t.
There is always the very uncomfortable question when you argue
that a 757 didn´t hit the Pentagon:
What happened to the plane?
I always answer, well it's up to the people who presented that nonsense
about a 757 hitting the wall of the Pentagon at 530 mph., virtually hugging
the ground, to substantiate that story. They have to explain why that plane
didn´t have any effect on the environment as it zoomed right over cars and
people and the famous Pentagon lawn at Mach 0.8. And they have to explain
why damage and wreckage at the scene was totally inconsistent with such
a crash. It is they who have to get their STORY up to the level of a THEORY.
My THEORY, as per the above main arguments, is that the official STORY is
impossible. So it's THEY who need to explain what happened to that plane.
But with many people this just hits a wall so to speak. They're stuck in a
dilemma. Cognitive dissonance, if you will. They will not accept that their
government has murdered Americans in cold blood. It's too painful. So in
self-defence they write people with such arguments off as kooks.
I believe Alex Jones and Mr. Gold and many others are afraid of exactly this. They're afraid
of losing their credibility over this horrible conflict in many people. So, they
take the easy way out, ignore Pentagon and focus on other things.
I believe Alex Jones and Mr.
I believe Alex Jones and Mr. Gold and many others are afraid of exactly this. They're afraid
of losing their credibility over this horrible conflict in many people. So, they
take the easy way out, ignore Pentagon and focus on other things.
Gangster | 05.17.06 - 3:08 pm | #
trust me, i understand where they are coming from... the problem is that ive heard this same crap for over 3 years now... how long will people keep saying this???
i believe that the first book about 911 that got people thinking that 911 was an inside job was about the pentagon....
what i said was, anyone who STATES AS FACT that flight 77 hit the pentagon, is in question... i stand by it... put it this way, DRG is who i trust the most in the 911 truth movement and if he came out today and said that its a FACT that flight 77 hit the pentagon he would be in question, in my mind....
The BBC surely has insiders
The BBC surely has insiders who want to help us.
This is the most helpful puff for LC2 it could possibly hope for - there's even a link!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4990686.stm
Emailed the BBC author. Said
Emailed the BBC author. Said we are the vast majority, so we are not out.
Please flood him with the reality based world view that 911 was an inside job...
Did anyone see this article
Did anyone see this article in The Washington Times today?
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060516-101748-1168r.htm
I wrote a letter to the editor hoping to bring attention to some of the facts it omitted (Flight 77's disappearance from radar, the other unreleased tapes, etc.), and encourage anyone else as outraged as I am to do the same.
Here is how so-called
Here is how so-called "Democracy Now" gatekeeper extraordinaire "Amy Goodman"reports the "truth":
Goodman & Chomsky to appear
Goodman & Chomsky to appear in NY
Internationally acclaimed journalist Amy Goodman, host of the national daily, radio/TV program Democracy Now!, will be speaking at the following event. Please join us, and support independent media. Tell your friends!
New York, NY
Saturday, June 3 2006, 9:00 am
A Dialogue on Shias, Sunnis and Politics in Iraq with Keynote Speaker: Dr. Noam Chomsky, and Shia-Sunni Speaker's Panel: Anas Shallal, Dr. Anisa Abd el Fattah, Salam Al-Marayati, Salma Yaqoob, Shaykh Ibrahim Kazerooni, Dr. Umar Faruq Abd-Allah
Columbia University, Lerner Hall, 114th St. and Broadway
$20
For more information: http://www.independentviewpoints.org
Alert others to this event!