I'm doing an interesting calculation regarding this video. I'm fairly sure the parking lot cam(s) would have captured a far-off image of the alleged Flight 77 as it completed it's 270 degree turn on approach to the Pentagon. I'm fairly certain it would have been low enough in it's trajectory to be seen.

I haven't done the calculations yet, but I do believe that - the moment that this video begins is roughly the moment that the plane would have left the field of vision of this camera.

The image of the plane would have been very small, but it would be possible to estimate it's size, going by the distance from the camera and the size of the objects in the near-field, and thereby put to rest what model aircraft hit the bulding.

Stay tuned. let me see if the time estimate is correct. I'm throwing this out in the event anyone else wants to get on it as well - the more analysis the better.

also, does anybody have a recap of this:

Audio: Judicial Watch & The Pentagon Footage

Alex speaks with the Judicial Watch Director of Investigations & Research about the Pentagon video that was released to them as part of their FOIA request.

anything worth noting from that interview?

Regardless of what anyone may think about the new video release, the very fact that Newsnight had Von Kleist on their program is in my opinion a huge step forward, this time last year I would never have believed that the "truth movement" would ever get such mainstream coverage.

Keep up the good work guys!

Chris,

I think a $5.95 monthly fee is more than reasonable for members cost. He has also run very good specials - several months free, etc. It costs money for bandwidth, and to compensate his staff, as well as income for himself. How do you think he affords his movie/documentary production costs? Do you think its cheap to travel to film?

my 2cents

i see your point Rebel, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when the guy is all about getting the truth out as he sees it, yet you have to pay for it.it just seems kind of hypocritical.like i said, i know he needs to make money to keep his site going and all, but to make the majority of the audio on your site "members only" seems to be hurting his own cause.im sure he makes good money from his radio show and DVD sales, i dont see why you should have to pay to listen to most of the audio on his site,when the people who can get it locally dont have to pay shit.i know hes no snake oil saleman, but it kind of comes off that way sometimes.again,i have the utmost respect for Alex Jones,i was just making a point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Hlava

Alex Jones interview with Judicial Watch: He has a brief article on his website about it, but after the interview he characterized it as suspicious because he talked to the guy about the "honey pot" alot, and the guy seemed to be pro-9/11 truth. Which was strange because he was also ex-intelligence in some capacity. Tom Fitton on the other hand comes out strongly against truthers. The man admitted on one hand, in the interview, that he was sure the plane was visible. Then later said, they need more info to get the truth about 9/11.

About the MSM. They are being extremely careful I think because they must be getting regular phone calls from the white house. As well, they have the truthers shouting for more. The Charlie Sheen thing sounds Rovian, and that could mean they feel they're in a tough spot since this thing is being covered everywhere now. Perhaps the MSM are finally doing what they didn't do 5 years ago. Trying to expose the truth. I hope that that is so. Wishful thinking maybe but they sure have done a good job of reviewing some issues about the movement on the air and showing both sides frequently with their final remark being we need more answers.

Guys this is TOTAL story Hopsicker style!!!

The Judical Watch disinfo media boy
Tom Fitton is being just now sued by the original founder of the Judicial Watch and its donors for stealing money to put them in Tom Delay's funds, also they sue him for highjacking the NGO for his own extremist political agenda etc..

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=138340
http://www.savingjudicialwatch.org/

Also, he worked on the
Accuracy in media - that's a total psychopatic right wing anti liberal media project:
http://www.aim.org/

Now, we have the previously, documented anti Iraq war protestors bashing campaign from BBC 2003 he organized:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/3041307.stm

==>> Judicial Watch & Tom Fitton is now know as 100% debunked disinfo agent

I don't know what does it mean for Flight 77 but be carefull..

=> Please share this new info..

I watched the Beck/Von Kliest farce. How Von Kliest kept his cool is a mystery to me. I had never seen Beck before. Where on earth did they dig up this piece of human waste???

dena, you're the idiot, and my Judy Miller comment goes for you to, shill.

other Anonymous: nice links, but all the Feds have to do is release some doctored pictures of AA77 hitting the Pentagon. These would then be plastered all over major newspapers & tv, & John Q. Public with his 30-second attention span won't care to doubt them for a moment.

Do you think it was the Aspen Strategy Group's Dick Cheney, or the PNAC's Dick Cheney who pulled it off?

IMO, we should make a lot of "shorts" like this, from the best clips of various truth videos. This can catch newcomers' attention, & then they could go on to watch the full-lenght versions.
Anonymous | 05.18.06 - 12:22 pm | #

already started! After talking with my friend about our video, we decided we can make multiple "shorts"...

The first one covers The Grand Chessboard and PNAC, and will be done shortly.

The 2nd one covers the 4th amendment and the beating it has taken. (bush's 4/20/04 speech, gonzalez saying "washington & lincoln used electronic surveillance on a far broader scale).. lol this one should be a comedy.
http://www.nsa.gov/coremsgs/corem00003.cfm
Read that page. Self-incrimination????

"Hey guys,
Do you know where I can get a collection of the polls done about 9-11? Like the one done in NY, where like 90% thought the government was lying. And the one from showbiz tonight. and any others."

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

Showbiz Tonight 83% - 17% Poll

Interesting CNN Polls

I'm sure there are more.

Nice work, DHS!

Hardly a shill.

A REALIST, long time 9-11 activist who refuses to be associated with sensationalistic journalism and garbage research.

Get lost.

Thanks Jon,
If you could start a poll about 9-11 how would you word it?

Is it time to expose the 9/11 Cover-up, and save this country?

Yes or Yes.

hell yeah!

That Newsnight coverage could have been a lot worse especially from the BBC. I agree very interesting to see Dave Von Kleist on there.

(One last word before I dissappear for the night)

This fella from Newsnight is rather responsive to e-mails - I've send over one or two details/links on other aspects of the cover up, which he has replied to with interest.

Feel free to inform him of the facts:

mark.urban@bbc.co.uk

Payne:

what issues did you contact him about?

youre out of your mind if you think LC2 has hurt the truth movement...
inside | 05.18.06 - 11:58 am | #
pretty much.

As if to "lay the groundwork" for the "Official Story" before it even happened... just like she "laid the groundwork" for the Iraq War."
Jon Gold

I think your right about that Jon.

Those are the talents and areas I was talking about.

Sometimes we can all get lost in the larger forces that 911 points to, but in terms of even begining a prosecution , our efforts will be more effective if we focus on the actual human beings with names and all of their connections.

As you are doing!

Even if they are just 'puppets' in the big picture, as some people reasonably claim,

They're certainly not unwilling puppets.

Thus we first need a good grip on the 'puppets', if they are that..

Before we can eventually yank the strings that support them....

and see who falls from behind the curtain.

So, no one thought that first post had any validity?

Hmmm........

Is this on......?

Is it my breath?

After watching the NO PLANE at the Pentagon cast the 9-11 truth movement as idiots, those who continues to promote Loose Change are suspect.
dena | 05.18.06 - 12:32 pm | #

HAHAHHA!!!! moron alert!!!!

you just got put on my list!!!! HAHAHAH!!!!

I watched the Beck/Von Kliest farce. How Von Kliest kept his cool is a mystery to me. I had never seen Beck before. Where on earth did they dig up this piece of human waste???
maddog | Homepage | 05.18.06 - 12:37 pm | #

if you think hes bad on tv then you need to hear him on the radio... he is insane!!!!

Is it my breath?
Rumpl4skn

Smells like roses to me.
Just not my language or strength.

Keep on keepin on.....
There are alot of forums on 911 with people who who would love to delve into this with you. Maybe someone can put up some links as suggestions.

Please don't take this as a brush off. Its not .

I encourage you to continue your analysis and let us all know what you find.

I'd help if I could.

'Payne:

what issues did you contact him about?'

I sent him details on the amount of foreknowledge that was available - the warnings from various sources, the ISI funding (and subsequent meeting), John O'Neil's investigation, the put options and FEMA moving into postion on the 10th. I'm trying to get together info on Huffman Aviation, which I'll e-mail to him over the weekend.