How Flight 77 Hitting The Pentagon Would Really Look?

This post at Prison Planet asks whether Flight 77 would have looked differently from what was shown in the tapes released yesterday.

Is this what Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon would really look like from nearby security cameras instead of the nondescript blur footage we have been subject to?"

A student member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth has argued that the plane simulation in this animation appears to only be going around 100 mph, while flight 77 was alleged to have been going 350 mph. Others have argued that the perspective is all wrong, and that it shows the plane being much larger than it would have appeared from the distance of the video camera. Does anyone have the math skills and time to figure out whether or not this simulation is accurate?

NOTE TO MEDIA: No, by posting this, is not arguing that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. Discussing and debating the facts around an issue does not mean that somone is advocating a particular view. If you believe it does, please think back to your high school science class and try to remember that the scientific method means testing a hypothesis before coming to any conclusion about it one way or the other.

I have wasted valuable space on this blog addressing you, the good people of the media, because numerous large media companies have falsely accused groups like and people like Alex Jones of advocating positions on 9/11 that they have never advocated.

Thank you for your consideration. We now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast.

Personally, my gut feeling

Personally, my gut feeling is that the simulation is inaccurate.

But I'm open to contrary evidence.

The size looks close, but

The size looks close, but maybe a bit large. The speed is definitely way too slow.

looks more like a MISSILE to

looks more like a MISSILE to me
Posted by: sankymoron on May 16, 2006 5:15 PM [Report this comment]

I didn't believe the missile story before, but now that they show the video, it seems more like a missile than a boeing. two questions though:

(1) they had confiscated videos from nearby businesses too. where are those?

(2) why do all the news websites keep saying "video showing the flight 77 slamming into the pentagon". do you see the "77" on the "boeing" thats not even visible in the video?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »]

» RE: looks more like a MISSILE to me Posted by: churchofone

I haven't seen a 757 in a while...
Posted by: B3 on May 16, 2006 5:18 PM [Report this comment]

but my understanding is they're pretty good-sized planes. I'm no expert, but the object in question in the video didn't look to me like a big airplane.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »]

More SOS
Posted by: douglashoyt on May 16, 2006 5:58 PM [Report this comment]

This is a video of something unidenified, but what?

We never found out who spread the anthrax; what caused the flaming crash of an American Airlines plane out of New York City, or a host of other weird happenings.


[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »]

I don't get it...
Posted by: cmetro99 on May 16, 2006 6:47 PM [Report this comment]

Does this administration really think people are that gullable? That video shows nothing more than the original except for a white streak before the explosion. They need to release the other video's from the hotel, gas station, & department of transportation for me to believe that is in fact a 757. To me that is either a missile, drone plane, or small jet. The previously released pictures of the Pentagon show no sign of debris or of the wings hitting the building or skidmarks, etc. Like someone said before, this opens up more questions than it answers.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »]
CAN YOU SAY BACKFIRE? hahahahaha, i love it. this is typical of the kind of comments i am coming across. unless they really do have footage of 77 hitting the Pentagon to be released at a later time, they are friggin morons for releasing this at all.

Oddly, very carefully worded piece on the released Pentagon video. Neither 100% for or against "conspiracy" theories on 9/11.. The best part is the fact that 9/11 Truth has gone above ground. Watch for yourself.

As the Pentagon set up

As the Pentagon set up becomes obvious, sites are distancing from it.

NO PLANE chameleons

Alex Jones has done fine work in the recent past, but the constant pushing of Loose Change and support for the NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON meme has not gone unnoticed.

911Truth says that it doesn't necessarily support the NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON meme, though the media spokesman said "there's no evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon" and they have a front page article promoting a NO PLANE website.

911Research has consistantly maintained their credibilty. Weird that the site is down.

huge titanium compression

huge titanium compression blades - where are they margaret, i seemed to have misplaced my massive titanium compression blades.

yeah Eric, thats about the

yeah Eric, thats about the most honest piece ive seen in the MSM regarding the Pentagon.he went over a good bit in such a short time. too bad its only on the internet though.

here is a link to a great

here is a link to a great thread over on the LooseChange forum. it has photos showing a 757 next to the same kind of fire trucks that were at the Pentagon. finally puts a plane to scale in my eyes rather than some CGI mock up. it has most definitely convinced me a 757 DID NOT hit the Pentagon given the damage seen before the collapse.

interesting stuff.

Chris why does that video

why does that video look fake?

Among the no-planer's is

Among the no-planer's is also Morgan Reynolds: He wrote an article raising suspicion about the hole in the first WTC tower that got 'hit', about the steel being bent outward etc.

Also don't forget: there was a (collect-) call from Neo-Con whore Barbara Olson from Flight 77, and this was exploited as the undisputable evidence that Flight 77 crashed in W.DC - definitely a fake phone call.

And the Pentagon strike was a key element of the so called "attacks" of 9/11: it added a military component to it all, an adequate justification to declare war. Osama had loudmouthly declared a "war on America" - which was in truth confined to embassy bombings and alike - and Bush responded with the "war on terror", a justifiable concept, unless 9/11 is a lie.

Does anyone know the

Does anyone know the topography of the path that whatever hit the Pentagon is like? Is is even possible for a 757 to fly that low to the ground and hit the bottom floor?

How's this look? An A3

How's this look? An A3 streaking across the lawn (with an AA logo on the tail):

..."in this animation

..."in this animation appears to only be going around 100 mph, while flight 77 was alleged to have been going 350 mph."...

What's with all these different speeds??? The gov't has always contended is was going 530 mph, now it's only 350 mph!!! Why???

I think catching a plane

I think catching a plane with 2 frames/second in the picture at 350mph is too much to ask (can someone do the math, please),
but it couldn't just have disappeared, with all the passenger seats, all the bodies, all the tons of aluminum and steel. Suppose some passenger had a titan watch, and anotherone had a diamond ring. Where is this stuff, why was nothing found?

Great website! Bookmarked! I

Great website! Bookmarked! I am impressed at your work!
[URL=]order hydrocodone online[/URL] [URL=]architecture[/URL] [URL= for sale/xanax-3mg-for-sale-online.html]architecture[/URL] [URL=]drug testing valium[/URL] [URL=]architecture[/URL] [URL=]architecture[/URL] [URL= effects/Long-Term-Effects-of-Valium.html]architecture[/URL] [URL=]xanax valium[/URL] [URL= prescription/buy-Tramadol-online-with-no-prior-prescription.html]buy Tramadol online with no prior prescription[/URL] [URL=]hydrocodone online[/URL] [URL=]architecture[/URL] [URL=]architecture[/URL] [URL= hcl/tramadol-hcl-pdr.html]tramadol hcl pdr[/URL] [URL= hydrochloride/Tramadol-Hydrochloride-Tablets.html]architecture[/URL] [URL=]symptom of xanax addiction[/URL] [URL=]order vicodin no prior rx needed[/URL] [URL= hcl/tramadol-hcl-dosage.html]tramadol hcl dosage[/URL] [URL=]"tramadol scheduling"[/URL] [URL= no prescription/xanax-demerol-morphine-no-prescription-needed.html]architecture[/URL] [URL=]TRAMADOL URINE ANALYSIS[/URL]

Pentagon missile attack

Pentagon missile attack 9/11?

Yes, unfortunately people

Yes, unfortunately people are that gullible.

The video is not clear enough to deduce it is a plane, not even close. The fact that the gov't and media are claiming it is 100 undeniable proof of anything is boggling my mind. I saw them talking about the video on the news last night with one of the family members, and never once did they mention the fact that nothing is really visible in the clip. They just talked as if the video of an airplane was as clear as day.

Simple answer to the question of whether or not a plane hit the pentagon is:

I don't know. The government says it did, but who believes the government?

A 757 enine:

>A 757 enine:

>A 757 enine: > >yoger...in757engine.JPG
>Anonymous | 05.17.06 - 2:47 pm | #

exactly. The 757 story doesn't fit common sense: the hole in the wall was about as big as one would expect from 1 turbine hitting through, but not the whole plane with 2 monster turbines, a huge body, plus wings.

The 757 tale is something that they can convince you of in a history text-book, but not when you see it for yourself.

Alex Jones offers 2

Alex Jones offers 2 interpretations, which sound very reasonable to me:

"1) The government truly is frightened to death of releasing any images which accurately depict what happened at the Pentagon because it doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11.

2) Or the government knows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and has clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately releasing these speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can later release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11 truth movement.

The media obsession with this one facet of an entire smorgasbord of 9/11 questions, and their refusal to address more hardcore 9/11 evidence, leads us to fear the latter explanation is the case."

I can only hope that someday we learn the truth.

which video Mike Jr? the

which video Mike Jr? the msnbc one?

Caution is Good, but if you

Caution is Good, but if you check out the photo anyalsis at

I don't think we have anything to worry about.

It was SO NOT a plane, only extremely doctored video would be able to make all the remains disappear completely.

Caution is good, but not so necessary in this case. There is enough complete evidence to support the fact that it was ABSOLUTELY NOT a large passenger plane.

This is just psy-ops on the masses... just talking points for FOX... which means it's a distraction for something else.

Keep your eyes peeled. They're trying to control the internet right now - maybe that's it?

"Simple answer to the

"Simple answer to the question of whether or not a plane hit the pentagon is:

"I don't know. The government says it did, but who believes the government?"

Logical fallacy.

Anyway the vast majority of the evidence comes from independent sources, not from the government.

Might i point out that the

Might i point out that the Pentagon video shows a much smaller object going to fast to positively identify. Nooe can tell that it is flight 77.

spot the shill!!!! i'll

spot the shill!!!! i'll give you a clue. his name is VERY ironic.

The Prisonplanet animation

The Prisonplanet animation has the scale of the plane far too big for where it crashed into the Pentagon and did not take account the distortion of the extreme wide angle of the security camera lens.

The height of the Pentagon is 77ft. The height of the tail of the 757 was 44.5ft off the ground when the landing gear was down. With these relative heights, it is easy to see that the Prisonplanet animation has the tail much taller then the height of the Pentagon at the know point of impact. So the 757 depicted in the animation is far too big.

Here is a far more accurate depiction of AA77's crash into the Pentagon done to proper scale. Watch the several animations:

9/11 Models, Renderings, and Animations