My email to Ca-shill:

"before you accuse the president and his staff of the greatest crime in American history, the burden of proof falls on you, not me. "

You've got it all wrong here. First of all only an amateur would assume that president chimpy or any of his staff had anything to do with a 9/11 inside job. Now Cheney... I could see that. The fact that you can't see the difference shows that you've got a long way to go....

But even so, the burden of proof clearly lies with the government. THEY are the ones that made these outrageous claims. They are the ones that used 9/11 as an excuse to rob the treasury and kill thousands of people in Iraq. It is THEIR responsibility to show ME the evidence. And I'm not just talking about the pentagon plane / no plane crap.

I'm sure you know what a psyop is and I'm sure you've heard some say that the pentagon "conspiracy theories" could be a trap created to discredit the 9/11 truth movement. Yes the mysterious plane crashes are an anomoly and yes they should be scrutinized. But that is only one anomoly. The strange collapses of the WTC buildings is another anomoly. It seems disingenuous at best to focus on those anomolies when there are literally hundreds of such anomolies regarding 9/11. One could spend weeks researching just the Venice Florida angle.

I believe people like you choose to focus on the pentagon and WTC theories because they don't matter either way. (Even if flight 77 hit the pentagon it doesn't dispel or explain away the other 100+ anomolies that clearly point to an inside job.) You're just damaging your own credibility by pretending to believe otherwise.

Is this a duplicate?

Jon, no -- this clip is totally different from the one posted by somebigguy.

Its from 2003, but I've never seen it before.

I sent it to Professor Jones I think.

I think someone posted it in the comments one time. That's why I asked for it again. It is a damning piece of evidence tho.

Durango woman sues Herald for 9/11 cover up. May 19, 2006: http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=new...

Don't know if anyone mentioned it yet since I've been away for a few days, but Ed Asner was on an Air America show (The Marc Maron Show) on Wednesday arguing against the official 911 story and downplaying the "new" Pentagon video.

He didn't go into much detail, but both hosts expressed their own skepticism about the official CT, and acknowledged the obstacles faced by anyone who questioned the government line.

It would be nice to hear someone with more technical knowledge on one of these shows, who can provide details.

Y'all could write to Marc@marcmaronshow.com and ask him to have Fetzer, Hoffman, or Griffin on as a guest.

Google video:

1 Loose Change
4 Loose Change
26 Loose Change
65 Pentagon stike: Where is the plane? Where are the videos?
75 Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime

not bad.. not bad at all

at the begining of this thread someone said why are we not attacking because of this video----

alex jones warned everyone that it could be a ruse and got everybody together ---to be careful

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in my opinion now...

it would be a great time to attack the fake msm based off that video

just start your attack--->

"based off that video how could anyone not doubt the pnac is lying..."

then go from there

the above was meant for a perservering point of view of the recent pentagon videos----

but it seems like it goes REAL well with the actual videos you guys are talking about!!

" @ Jon: Can you post the quote of Sibel once again? I want to use it for my newsletter, and I am not motivated to search all comments...

Thx in advance..."

Which quote?

from the wilderness is a wealth of great information but sometimes they act like a bunch of little girls.

no large "heavy" passenger jet hit the pentagon. period. end of story.

the untouched lawn was enough to convince me. the whole official story can only believed by idiots or those with their heads buried in the sand.

and . . why do they refer to the 911 truth movement as if it is monolithic.

just a bunch of citizens who can't see any plane parts asking some questions that could be easily answered by the gov if they had answers.

mr. hect - fight the bad guys.

Good Sibel Quotes:

"once this issue gets to be...investigated [9/11], you will be seeing certain [American] people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally"

"There is direct evidence involving no more than ten American names that I recognized"

"I Saw Papers That Show US Knew Al-Qa'ida Would Attack Cities With Airplanes"

"The American Public Have Not Heard Who Is The Real Culprit Behind 9/11"

Help. Can some direct me to some t-shirt designs besides the ones from Loose Change? I'm looking to make some iron transfer t shirts. I could make my own, but i'm a little pressed for time (it's for my girlfriend's bday this weekend ;))

Wow, that Sheldon Drobny piece is priceless. Hooray for our side. Great to see the founder of Air America questioning 9/11. And, Three Days of the Condor is a great reference point in his essay. If you haven't seen it recently, rent it and watch it again. You'll be amazed at the relevance. And, it's an edge of the seat film to boot. "A CIA within the CIA."

And, here's the link to Drobny's essay again, for those of you who missed it: http://tinyurl.com/l4d9n

bozo, agreed. I still read Ruppert's site and do find his analysis valuable and helpful. He's great at connecting the dots, even though he tends to forecast changes ahead of when they happen -- almost as if he WANTS the bad stuff to happen. Maybe he just feels it's inevitable. But, then he also has a pretty hefty ego -- and that gets in the way sometimes, especially now with 9/11 since he's "moved on" so to speak.

What gets me about that piece by Jamey Hecht is the assumption that the 9/11 truth movement is looking foolish now. WTF? If anything, that idiot from Judicial Watch has EGG ALL OVER HIS FACE. One only has to watch the ridiculous video they released that was supposed to put an "end to the conspiracy theories." WTF? How the truth movement is hurt by this is beyond me. 2+2=5

And, regarding Alex Jones' assertion that this is a trap and they're going to release definitive video proof in a couple of months, I just don't buy it. We're supposed to sit back instead of SMEARING Judicial Watch and the government?

Here's my angle: The "new" Pentagon video shows nothing definitive and the government has had almost 5 years to release the videos. That they took this opportunity to provide nothing definitive at all just shows how completely inept they are, and how they're STILL covering up the truth.

Jon, that was what I'm looking for.

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National Commission on terrorists attacks upon the United States.
Appendix A, page 144,

Origin of the Funds

To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks
Â…

Ultimately the question of the origin of the funds is of little practical significance.

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Q:"...The transfer of money to Atta [$325,000], in conjunction with the presence of the ISI chief in Washington during the week, [is] the missing link behind 9/11....The evidence confirms that al-Qaeda is supported by Pakistan's ISI (and it is amply documented that) the ISI owes its existence to the CIA."

"I cannot comment on that. But I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally."

Sibel Edmonds, Ex-FBI

http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

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"I was in Pakistan two weeks ago, met with the President and other leading officials of that nation."
Sen. Bob Graham, 14.09.2001

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/july-dec01/congress_9-14.html

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The report quoted an officer as saying that dramatic changes were made in the final draft of the inquiry commission after the lobbyists got to work. The panel was formed to probe the September 11 terror attack and make suggestions to fight terrorism.

After the commission tipped the lobbyists about the damaging revelations on PakistanÂ’s role in 9/11, they contacted the panel members and asked them to go soft on the country. The Friday Times claimed that a lot of money was used to silence these members.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp

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Curiously, the very morning that the hijacked passenger planes were crashing into New YorkÂ’s Twin Towers, Gen. Ahmed was attending a Capitol Hill breakfast meeting hosted by Senator Graham and Rep. Goss. (The Republican congressman and former CIA agent is now the Bush administrationÂ’s nominee for CIA director.)

...

The 9/11 commission, like the congressional panel that Graham co-chaired, chose not to deal with the role played by Gen. Ahmed—as well as other senior members of the Pakistani military—as Al Qaeda patrons.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep2004/911-s16.shtml

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Now, only connecting these dots are circumstancial evidence enough to reopen the case.

Let the chips fall where they may fall...

"The American Public Have Not Heard Who Is The Real Culprit Behind 9/11"

Follow the money, and we will know it.

9/11 Redux -- Renegade U.S. Intelligence
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sh...- u_b_21295.html

This should be posted at 911 blogger!!!

The credentials of the author( and the platform, Huffington) make this an important piece to be widely publicized.

Even better, He points to the reality of secret unaccountable powers in of our Intelligence services without condeming them all. This leaves alot of room for patriotic whistleblowers.

I hope to turn the patriotic fever this administration has been fermenting for years, right back on the real criminals and motivated by true patriotism.

" .....both foreign and domestic"
........and domestic."!!!!!!
........and domestic"!!!!!!!

Blowback......anyone?

"What the Pentagon video should have shown.
http://signs-of-the-times.org/ si...ldHaveShown.php

The Prisonplanet animation has the scale of the plane far too big for where it crashed into the Pentagon and did not take account the distortion of the extreme wide angle of the security camera lens.

The height of the Pentagon is 77ft. The height of the tail of the 757 was 44.5ft off the ground when the landing gear was down. With these relative heights, it is easy to see that the Prisonplanet animation has the tail much taller then the height of the Pentagon at the know point of impact. So the 757 depicted in the animation is far too big.

Here is a far more accurate depiction of AA77's crash into the Pentagon done to proper scale. Watch the several animations:

9/11 Models, Renderings, and Animations

Here's the proper link:

9/11 Models, Renderings, and Animations

"He points to the reality of secret unaccountable powers in of our Intelligence services without condeming them all."

I agree that "rogue" elements are responsible for these crimes, in the sense that they are unofficial and not representative of most officials in these agencies. But clearly they must be at the highest level of power in order to effect such a massive coverup.

Just had my first chance to watch "whats the truth" and very impressed. I think the speech at the end is particularly impressive. Overall, a great week for the truth movement.

Nice grouping Sitting-Bull...

The only discrepancy I saw was this...

In August 2004, the 9/11 Commission released an addendum regarding the financing... again, it did not cover ALL of the financing...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/22/911.commission/

The origin of 9/11 funds is unknown but no money for the attacks was raised in the United States. The hijackers did not self-finance or have jobs.

The monograph reveals in detail how the hijackers received money from wire transfers, cash and traveler's checks, and credit or debit cards for overseas bank accounts. The report says most of the funds were sent by Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, a nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

Interesting that they would point out none of the money originated within the United States, and that the origin of the funds was "unknown".

Also, in regards to the bribery story...

Pakistan denied it. However, as you pointed out, nothing appeared within the 9/11 Report regarding the funding from Pakistan. It makes sense that the bribery allegations have a ring of truth in them. At the very least, the allegations should be investigated.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/04/10/top4.htm

OT:

Does anyone know where I can purchase "Take Back 9/11"?

Why does Sibel Edmonds not break the state secrets provisions and post what she knows internationally. Yes she may well go to jail but if what she says is important for her fellow citizens? Would the sacrifice not be worth it. To serve the truth and become an iconic american folk hero. Why does she hold back? I know , easy for me to say.

Why does Sibel Edmonds not break the state secrets provisions and post what she knows internationally. Yes she may well go to jail but if what she says is important for her fellow citizens? Would the sacrifice not be worth it. To serve the truth and become an iconic american folk hero. Why does she hold back? I know , easy for me to say.

"Before Edmonds left, Dickerson had time to sidle over to her desk. According to Edmonds, she made what sounded like a threat; "Why are you doing this, Sibel? Why don't you just drop it? You know there could be serious consequences. Why put your family in Turkey in danger over this?"

Why does Sibel Edmonds not break the state secrets provisions and post what she knows internationally. Yes she may well go to jail but if what she says is important for her fellow citizens? Would the sacrifice not be worth it. To serve the truth and become an iconic american folk hero. Why does she hold back? I know , easy for me to say.
Rod Underleaf | 05.19.06 - 10:29 pm | #
they killed 3000 people and basically got away with it.(not if we all keep working hard though!) Sibel doesnt want her family or her own life to be taken out.i know how you feel man, i wish she would just spill it all, but you kind of cant blame her.

Yeah I thought it might be something like that - thanks for the detail. One bright spot is that she sounds like she thinks it all may come out in the end. Interesting story on Rawstory suggesting a British enviroment minister is going to try to get to the bottom of the mysterious death of British WMD expert David Kelly. Seems like some spooks might have shut him up good. Maybe not suicide after all.

Here's a sample of the type of threads that appear regularly on my music recording software site(Ableton Live,German/international), often started by a guy named "smutek". These threads always go on for pages on a busy site and are easily the longest. Gotta love s ome of these musicians and DJ's. "

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from Controlled Demolition Inc.'s website. one of many many steel structures they have taken out with explosives,,,,with out having to drill in the metal.

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=7&reqItemId=20...

Biltmore Hotel

Seconds after the final warning signal blared Sunday afternoon at a downtown redevelopment site in Oklahoma City, precisely placed explosive charges dropped a 28-story building almost in its tracks. When it fell, the 245-ft-high structure became the tallest steel-frame building to be demolished with explosives.

Built in 1932 of heavy beams and beefed-up steel columns, the Biltmore Hotel stood in the way of a $39-million urban renewal plan to construct a cultural and recreational complex. Some structures on the site have been removed while others await demolition.

But none presented the problems that the Biltmore did. "ItÂ’ s the heaviest steel weÂ’ve ever worked on," says Mark Loizeaux, of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI), Towson, Md., which dropped the brick-clad structure for contractor Wells Excavating Co., Inc., Oklahoma City.

"Because of the thickness of the steel, a single charge wouldn't penetrate completely through," he says. “We had to attack a single 3-in.-thick stem plate from both sides." Each 16-in. steel column with built-up flanges totals 2.5 to 3 tons per floor.

To blast in this fashion, says Loizeaux, it is imperative that the charges on opposing sides go off simultaneously. If one goes off too soon, it will dislodge the other before it can cut through the steel.

CDI placed 991 separate charges, about 800 lbs. of explosives in all, on seven floors from the basement to the 14th floor and detonated them over a five-second interval. CDIÂ’s detonation sequence aimed to drop the building in a southerly direction in what is called a controlled progressive collapse in order to lay out the demolished structure to ease removal of debris.

Besides concern over the size of the steel frame members, CDI took a hard look at the type of steel, which Loizeaux describes as malleable. He says such steel doesn't break readily and "can get real testy." But the building fell, as planned, and CDI walked away with its share of the $207,000 demolition general contract.
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@ Jon: So know how to lie outright? Implement some truth in it.

The origin of 9/11 funds is unknown but no money for the attacks was raised in the United States. The hijackers did not self-finance or have jobs.

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As far as I understand this it means: No money was raised in the USA by self-financing or payments for jobs.

If they were paid via ISI, how could the origin remains unknown? ISI and CIA have good connections, so it's only a little step to assume the rogue elements have raised the money - in the USA, as Sibel suggests.

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Pakistan denied it.

Yeah, and that could be right. The same circle that raise the money for the coup could raise money for the alleged bribery as well. They have to make sure that nobody stumple about the real money trail, and this probably without the knowlegde of the official pakistani government.

For me it makes sense. Only this point is enough stuff to demand a new investigation...

Explosion?
Popular theme lately. Well, I finally got around to making my own webpage for the photos I took of the North Tower.

Here are some pics of the North Tower exploding at the top.
http://spork.nyc.ny.us/Sept11/

The webpage is still a bit rough, any suggestions welcome.

a British enviroment minister is going to try to get to the bottom of the mysterious death of British WMD expert David Kelly. Seems like some spooks might have shut him up good. Maybe not suicide after all.
Rod Underleaf | 05.19.06 - 10:55 pm | #
it looks like murder to me.

Those are excellent photos, manhattanite! They are outstanding examples of why I prefer the terms "erupting & exploding" rather than "collapsing" regarding the 2 towers! Thank you.