Stop the Presses
Smart people have different opinions on this issue. If the official story is vulnerable on something -- and there is a "smoking gun" -- we should call them on it. But waiting a week won't have any downside, and will have tremendous upside.
I urge everyone to hold off on speculating about what hit the Pentagon until the next round of videos is released. What videos?
Well, the folks who's freedom of information act (FOIA) request apparently was the real cause of the release of the new Pentagon videos, is now saying that last week's videos were solely released in response to its first FOIA request, and that another 80 or so videos, from many different angles and vantage points, will be released very soon in response to its second FOIA request.
Who knows what the second batch of tapes will show. If Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, they will show that. If it didn't, they've had 4 1/2 years to fake it.
So I would strongly urge everyone in the 9/11 movement to hold your horses until all of the tapes are released.
I'm still undecided about what hit the Pentagon. But I think anyone who speaks out on the Judicial Watch videos now -- without waiting for the other shoe to drop -- is setting themselves, and the 9/11 movement, up for a fall.
If the second round of videos are fake, then we should try to prove that once they are out. But speaking out about the Judicial Watch video now is like shooting all of our bullets at a shadow, before our opponent has even entered the room.
So stop the presses and hold your horses.
In the meantime, here's something to think about"
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And if the videos are real,
And if the videos are real, move on.
Sure, we could discuss the
Sure, we could discuss the fact that Israel controls the US and has done so for decades. We could discuss the very probable part this controller of the US played in the 911 scam.
If you really believe that a
If you really believe that a 757 can crawl along the ground into the Pentagon at 500+ mph. just after having cleared that hill between the building and the highway - that's just fine. But it's totally out of touch with reality.
However; congress buys it and the mass media buys it and you buy it and that's that. :)
Is Alex Jones totally losing
Is Alex Jones totally losing it ? LOL.
Sorry, was referring to an
Sorry, was referring to an article from prisonplanet but the link was at another message thread here.
I'm willing to go with that
I'm willing to go with that Jones article to some degree (he does admit those planes aren't going that fast as they are coming in), but he doesn't address the light poles at all, which you would think would have shredded the plane before it ever made it's mark.
And what about the blown up photo that's circulating now? What does everyone make of that?
It's fine for us truthers to
It's fine for us truthers to protect ourselves from being set up. But, even if they produce a smoking gun video showing AA77 hitting the Pentagon, there's STILL the reality that last week's video is a joke and that the media and Judicial Watch are looking incredibly ridiculous as they show the video and then essentially assert that the case is closed and this puts 9/11 conpiracies to rest. C'mon peole -- even newbies to the truth movement aren't THAT stupid. We should be ridiculing last week's video, REGARDLESS of our fears of what they might bring forth this week. WE NEED TO KEEP THE UPPER HAND. And, we CAN do that WITHOUT jeopardizing our credibility. Otherwise, we're letting the government/media win the propaganda war AGAIN.
The fact that Loose Change 2 is #1 on Google videos says a lot. I think people are MAD AS HELL at BOTH political parties and are not blindly going to go along with the latest government/media "evidence" after being lied to and manipulated OVER AND OVER. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 3296 times, shame on... we won't get fooled again.
Delta pilot recounds flight
Delta pilot recounds flight with Mohammad Atta
If people within the 9/11
If people within the 9/11 Truth Movement cling to the idea that whatever video is released is automatically fake, just because they refuse to let go of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, then I'll quit. Period. You will no longer see my name anywhere fighting for this cause. I will give up, and move to another country.
Jon, When is the phenominal
Jon,
When is the phenominal news supposed to coming out. Will it be on CNN, FOX NEWS, what!
ahern29, if it isn't, then
ahern29, if it isn't, then that will be concrete, 100% proof that the media is complicit in the cover-up.
It will be out today. If
It will be out today. If not, I'll be mad.
what "phenominal news" ?
what "phenominal news" ?
Jon, I know that you don't
Jon, I know that you don't want to cling to the plane thing, and really I'm trying to look at both sides too, but what about the blown up photo. And Hey, they aren't showing the blown up view on CNN. Or do you think this blown up version is suspect? Just curious.
Little update from Phil
Little update from Phil Jayhan:
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13995
I am trying to get a copy of the video now. But after mine and Brads pretty extensive interview/debriefing, it would appear that what we have seen is pretty close to what he has seen. But he could only view it once. It was sent to him from a friend at the Pentagon, and would play only a single time before becoming unviewable.
He said it was from a slightly different angle, perhaps closer to the highway, away and in front of the vehicle gates we all are familiar with.
He said his video lasted 6-8 seconds and was about 3-400 frames.
But he described very much what we all see. When Brad (question911.com) showed him the Pentagon strike on his Ipod, he said it was very similar.
1. Showing no plane.
2. He thought it looked like a missile, a very large missile, 20-30 feet in his words.
3. He said the vapor trail was present and about the same.
So very similar animals indeed. He was a photography expert and pointed out something interesting, and that was how the explosion came through the roof at the beginning of the strike, and pointing out that the wings (alleged) and fuel would have still been travelling 500 mph after the initial strike and wouldn't have made the type of explosion seen.
Also Brad pointed out (and I haven't confirmed this yet, perhaps you guys can) that there was NO char marks on the top of the roof after collapse where this alleged fireball went through to the top of the Pentagon and broke free from the building, something I had never noticed or considered.
Also for anyone wishing to see the best damned Pentagon website BAR NONE, then please visit here;
http://www.911studies.com
Sorry it wasn't more Alph, but I am notholding anything back. He said it was very similar to what we showed him. And what he saw could also have been a fruad as it came from the Pentgram, oops, I mean Pentagon.
If people within the 9/11
If people within the 9/11 Truth Movement cling to the idea that whatever video is released is automatically fake, just because they refuse to let go of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, then I'll quit. Period. You will no longer see my name anywhere fighting for this cause. I will give up, and move to another country.
Jon Gold
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Are you talking about all, most, or some people within the truth movement?
Jon, Is it about the
Jon,
Is it about the Pentagon?
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Jon, I only asked because I
Jon,
I only asked because I think you're a vital asset to the movement. :)
These aircraft are coming in
These aircraft are coming in to land, they are gliding. The airplane at the Pentagon was not attempting to land. Neither was it an airplane, but thats another story.
Of course they are gliding.
Of course they are gliding.
If those kinds of arguments
If those kinds of arguments start taking up the majority of conversations within the movement, I'll quit.
If those kinds of arguments
If those kinds of arguments start taking up the majority of conversations within the movement, I'll quit.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.22.06 - 11:45 am | #
then quit, baby!!!
Dave, that Delta pilot
Dave, that Delta pilot article^ seems designed to boost the Atta mystique. If Atta did previously jump-seat with pilots, I would think he needed much covert help from our own gov'y to do so.
Also, the pilot in the article didn't bother to report Atta's suspicious ride in his cockpit?
anyone that thinks theyre
anyone that thinks theyre going to release a REAL video is out of their mind...
sorry kids, 77 didnt hit the pentagon!!!!
just questions...not
just questions...not arguments. Isn't that what we're doing?
gold doesnt run or own this
gold doesnt run or own this board so dont let him tell us what to talk about!!!!
if gold will quit the movement because of what people say here then fuck him and let him go!!!!
do let him tell you where to focus... think for yourselves!!!!
This is THE soft underbelly
This is THE soft underbelly of the whole official 9/11 story. It always was. You can see the shrill desperation of the mass media.
Now; why on earth would people in the 911 truth movement want to help this hopeless story ???
The attorney general
The attorney general threatens reporters now. Connect the dots people. It's all blowing up. :)
Atta? Atta has more logged
Atta? Atta has more logged hours as dealing drugs for CIA and hanging around with hookers around Huffman aviation or central Florida and Abramoffs Sun Cruz boat casinos. Never heard of Hopsicker's excellent work before?
This is THE soft underbelly
This is THE soft underbelly of the whole official 9/11 story. It always was. You can see the shrill desperation of the mass media.
Now; why on earth would people in the 911 truth movement want to help this hopeless story ???
Gangster | 05.22.06 - 12:00 pm | #
im right with you gangster!!!!
i have worried about people that say that flight 77 hit the pentagon for a long time now...
now look how gold is acting about it... he just said he was going to quit if people say the video are fake... is that how people should act???
Gold is okay in my book and
Gold is okay in my book and has pointed to a mountain of accumulated evidence against the government's fable. But it just isn´t good enough for the congress rubber stamp or the mass media whores. And it isn´t enough to get the authors of the official fable into the discussion !
So what on earth is !!!
Starting to discuss Israel and the Mossad ???
please stop directing
please stop directing everything towards jon, this is not his website, and i do not want people attacking others over differences of opinion.
i personally find the landing gear photos at pentagonresearch.com to be enough reason to remain open minded, i hope others can as well - or at least not bash those that dont agree with your personal opinions.
please, relax guys.
I'm not saying those videos
I'm not saying those videos are fake. They do seem to show something crawling along the ground. But they do not show a 100-ton plane doing this. Anyway; the official story said it was at 530 mph. and they're stuck with that and probably didn´t expect to be seriously called on it !
Now they have friggin' nothing.
They can´t tone the speed down now so it's physically possible to get that plane into the wall of the Pentagon because then they'd need to cange the scene and that is impossible for obvious reasons !
Landing gear my ass. How
Landing gear my ass. How about those multi ton engines ! Why can´t we see them?
Who knows where those photos were taken? What's the original source?
Where is the wreckage? A 100-ton plane presumably leaves dozens of tons of it. Metal doesn´t just evaporate in kerosene fire you know.
Jon, there's no room in
Jon, there's no room in Canada.
We need to look at any footage with an open mind. Whatever this footage shows us, lets examine it, make up our own minds and not foolishly cling to old theories, whether that theory did or didn't include 77.
Ultimately we want the truth, not to be right.
Those multi-ton engines of
Those multi-ton engines of steel and titanium presumably hit the wall of the Pentagon (along with the rest of the plane) at 500+ mph ! Where was the damage?
"Jon, there's no room in
"Jon, there's no room in Canada.
We need to look at any footage with an open mind. Whatever this footage shows us, lets examine it, make up our own minds and not foolishly cling to old theories, whether that theory did or didn't include 77.
Ultimately we want the truth, not to be right."
I agree.
http://www.pentagonresearch.c
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/084.html
if we are going to play rhetorical questions:
- where else could they have taken the photo above?
- did they plant the evidence before or after the attack?
- would noone notice a crane lifting such a peice into the wreckage?
bah. my point is that i dont want visitors here to feel intimidated that they must believe and agree with others lest they be attacked all day long in every thread because of their opinions - not because i disagree or agree with yours.
i am tired of this pentagon arguement crap wasting the space here, is there nothing more productive that could be done with the time instead?
this is a perfect
this is a perfect opportunity---to tell the world
"wtc7--is the smoking gun of 911truth"
the pentagon doesnt matter one way or the other
Before these ridiculous
Before these ridiculous videos were recycled they were supposed to 1. bury the 911 truth movement and/or 2. bury the no plane people.
Now the spin is, oh, next they're gonna produce a video really showing that plane and you'll all look like fools. C O M E O N. :)
Is this Phil Jayhan
Is this Phil Jayhan trustworthy?
Read some articles on iamthewitness.com... Daryl BS is a bit exxagerate, but this Simon issue seems serious.
I need evidence that shows
I need evidence that shows that those pictures were taken at the pentagon and I need the identification numbers stamped on that wreckage showing this is from flt. 77. I mean it's the simplest thing in the world presumably.
Inside, The personal attacks
Inside,
The personal attacks on Jon contribute nothing to the cause or debate.
I believe it is imporant to stay away from too much emphasis on the pentagon right now, simply because the government is creating and controlling the debate. Obviously they will create a debate which they will win or benefit from in some way. Lets not let them control the debate!!!!!!!!!!!
If we do, we are acting just like the MSM that reacts so predictable to every new piece of propaganda that comes out of this administration.
Lets look at the things that they avoid like the plaque such as WTC7 and the private corporations and business ties that were most likely involved and/or benefitted from the attacks.
That thing crawling along
That thing crawling along the ground isn´t a 757, almost anybody can see that. :)
Sure, spend a few more years
Sure, spend a few more years dissecting the govt's WTC story.
It was disproven years ago but that hasn´t had the slightest effect on congress or the mass media.
They're off-balance here.
They're off-balance here. They can´t substantiate their story. They're stuck in a monumental lie and didn´t expect to be called on it.
Hit them where they're weak which is here.
Why is Prison Planet showing
Why is Prison Planet showing pics of jets gliding in for emergency landings (engines turned very low or off) to compare with AA77 doing acrobatics at 530 mph???
On the net talk about the
On the net talk about the hill between the highway and the Pentagon and how that magic plane cleared that and leveled out in a very small space to hit the Pentagon at 530 mph. :)
The prison-planet pics
The prison-planet pics looked really fake to me (not that that makes any sense. Regardless, theyve got nothing to do with anything.
Over the course of today Ive decided that the A3 skywarrior theory is the best going for the pentagon so far. But Its NOT IMPORTANT. Whats important is concentrating on what can be proven.
Im far more interested in todays big news....
I've seen the video of the
I've seen the video of the one plane flying over the beach, so it is real. Its pretty amazing to watch.
Matthew Day, What's todays
Matthew Day,
What's todays big news?
They need to show a 757
They need to show a 757 going right over people and cars at 530 mph. = full throttle. This prisonplanet stuff is just designed to mislead people - so they're joining the mass media in that.
They're off-balance here.
They're off-balance here. They can´t substantiate their story. They're stuck in a monumental lie and didn´t expect to be called on it.
Gangster
Of course they expected to be called on it!!!
Thats what makes me cautious about the Pentagon, right now.
I don't really see them as being "off balance" yet, especially with the other 84 videos still unreleased.
I am only calling for caution. I stil have many questions about the pentagon but this is all a little to obviouse. They could have claimed national security and not released these "videos".
If this is a 'psy-op' lets make it another 'psy-op' gone bad, ( the history of the CIA is filled with them) by not taking the bait, right now, and using this as an opportunity to educate the public on other 911 questions.
Look at how the media is using this and you will get some good insights into their intentions.
No, they didn´t expect to
No, they didn´t expect to be called on the 9/11 fable at all. Otherwise they wouldn´t have left it so sloppy on all fronts. It's the same everywhere you look. The silly pancake theory where a building falls through itself without any resistance. The ridiculous notion that a 757 can fly at 530 mph. inches off the ground and then leave no wreckage and ridiculously light damage at the crash site. These fables are just childish.
No, they didn´t expect to
No, they didn´t expect to be called on the 9/11 fable at all. Otherwise they wouldn´t have left it so sloppy on all fronts.
Gangster
I agree that there has been a lot of sloppiness....
but to say, at this point, they didn't expect everyone involved in investigating 911 to analyze and 'call them on' the just released videos, is disingenuis or whoefully ignorant at best.
They have been infiltrating Quakers meetings and reporting on Vegans that provide chili for homeless shelters, but their not fully aware (and infiltrating) the discussions of the 911 Truth movement.???
Originally, maybe, you could say they didn't think they would be 'called on it',....but not now!
road66 -
road66 - www.911studies.com/
i tend to agree. a picture is worth a thousand words. unless it's proven to be phony, then it should be worth ten thousand words.
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They have been infiltrating
They have been infiltrating Quakers meetings and reporting on Vegans that provide chili for homeless shelters, but their not fully aware (and infiltrating) the discussions of the 911 Truth movement.???
Radical Pragmatist | 05.22.06 - 1:56 pm | #
of course theyre here...
now my question is, are they the ones pushing no plane theories and pods or are they real smart and just lead people in the wrong direction???
they didn´t expect to be
they didn´t expect to be called on the 9/11 fable at all. Otherwise they wouldn´t have left it so sloppy on all fronts.
i believe that they are just dragging it out - little teasers like that last blob77 vid - until a point is reached when they don't care what anybody knows or thinks they know -
god help us if things reach such a point.
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but their not fully aware
but their not fully aware (and infiltrating) the discussions of the 911 Truth movement.???
Radical Pragmatist | 05.22.06 - 1:56 pm | #
of course theyre here...
now my question is, are they the ones pushing no plane theories and pods or are they real smart and just lead people in the wrong direction???
inside | 05.22.06 - 4:44 pm | #
they are the ones like the guy with the ironic name that is constantly contrary.you know who i mean.
Once again,
Once again, folks:
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/video.html
[Video of the Pentagon Attack: What is the Government Hiding?]
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
[Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11]
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagontrap.html
[The Pentagon No-757-Crash Theory:
Booby Trap for 9/11 Skeptics]
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/videoframes.html
[Released video frames show evidence of tampering]
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/
[Hundreds of witnesses- both military and civilian- saw a 757 hit the Pentagon]
Due to its popularity, I
Due to its popularity, I might as well include this one, too-
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/
[Sifting Through LOOSE CHANGE: A Viewer Guide to Loose Change, 2nd Edition]
Check out everything, of course, but especially Volume 2, which is all about the Pentagon. If you think these people are tough on your views, wait until the government gets to its very public debunking and humiliation of 9/11 Truth again. They'll be merciless. Count on it.
You've been warned.
"They need to show a 757
"They need to show a 757 going right over people and cars at 530 mph. = full throttle. This prisonplanet stuff is just designed to mislead people - so they're joining the mass media in that."
-Gangster
By God, you're right! Alex Jones is a CIA agent and he's part of the whole conspiracy. And the rest of his crew at PrisonPlanet are also part of it. Why didn't I see this before?!
By God, you're right! Alex
By God, you're right! Alex Jones is a CIA agent and he's part of the whole conspiracy. And the rest of his crew at PrisonPlanet are also part of it. Why didn't I see this before?!
Baraka | Homepage | 05.22.06 - 6:45 pm | #
that couldnt be true??? HAHHAHA!!!! youre funny..
Chris: Ironic name???
Chris:
Ironic name???
Chris: Ironic name??? DHS |
Chris:
Ironic name???
DHS | Homepage | 05.22.06 - 7:57 pm | #
i think he means "truthout"..
Talk about the AA77 is
Talk about the AA77 is SILVER (bullet)
silence about AA77 is GOLD (Jon)
sorry couldn't resist.
Chris: Ironic name??? DHS |
Chris:
Ironic name???
DHS | Homepage | 05.22.06 - 7:57 pm | #
i think he means "truthout"..
inside | 05.22.06 - 8:16 pm | #
DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!
And the theme song for the
And the theme song for the 9/11 weekend should be "Chicago" by Crosby Stills and Nash.
"i believe that they are
"i believe that they are just dragging it out - little teasers like that last blob77 vid - until a point is reached when they don't care what anybody knows or thinks they know -
god help us if things reach such a point."
BINGO
I don't think they have 'authentic' videos of a 757 ready to spring on us. Their problem is, whatever videos they release now have to be consistant with what has already been released. They are stuck. They can't now produce clear photos of a 757 crusing into the side of the building because that would be totally inconsistant with what they've already released. Their only option is to drag this thing out until noone gives a crap because another 'terrorist' attack has gotten out attention.
They can't 'debunk' 911Truth so their only hope is to string it out until events overtake. Look for more stalling, more limited releases of fuzzy, inconclusive, video if anything.
Check out my website. I have some closeup pictures of the trees in the background that give some idea of how low the 'plane' is in their video. 9eleven.info