National Poll Coverage
GeorgeWashington Tue, 05/23/2006 - 9:57pm
The big, conservative news site World Net Daily , and the almost-as-big, liberal news site Raw Story have picked up the National 9/11 poll.
Write the other media companies and demand they cover the poll as well.
Better yet, call the newsdesk. A personal touch works even better.
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Definitely call the
Definitely call the newsdesk.
Jon, is there a list of
Jon, is there a list of numbers for media newsdesks?
I've called and talked to a
I've called and talked to a couple of my local news outlets.
Good man, Mike.
Good man, Mike.
Dem Bruce Lee Styles, did
Dem Bruce Lee Styles, did you ever upload your final "What's the Truth"?
Oohh I'm just getting
Oohh I'm just getting started.
GW... I don't have a clue...
GW... I don't have a clue... I just call information, or pick up the phone book.
I was waiting for an update
I was waiting for an update from DBLS. I'll check my email...
I'd like to see the results
I'd like to see the results of the World Net Daily's poll.
bombard C&L!
bombard C&L!
Chris........ C&L works
Chris........ C&L works really hard deleting post's regarding 9/11 Good Luck!
Here's a good one. I was
Here's a good one. I was watching the local New York City NBC news this morning, and their "roving reporter" was covering the opening ceremonies for the new WTC 7. Somewhere in her intro, she says "the original building, which took 4 years to complete and 10 seconds to collapse..." I am so tempted to write to the station and ask them if they thought there was anything unusual about the collapse.
When the truth about 9/11
When the truth about 9/11 becomes the reality for everyone will the system automatically fix itself? Will people instinctively know how to correct the system or is this something we should be discussing now. My spidey senses are tingling that the roof is about to blow.
Chris........ C&L works
Chris........ C&L works really hard deleting post's regarding 9/11 Good Luck!
jimmy | 05.23.06 - 3:56 pm | #
believe me, i know. they got site monitors working overtime over there.still though, they need to hear from us.
everyone should bomb
everyone should bomb CrooksandLiars.com with questions about why they wont cover this. C&L needs to be severely bombarded. the censorship must stop.its one thing not to cover 9/11 truth, its another to delete all comments relating to 9/11 in any way and give a bullshit answer like "i believe the official story and i knew someone who died that day, so we dont cover 9/11 here".come on people, get over to C&L and ask them why they love censorship so much.
Chris | Homepage | 05.23.06 - 2:34 pm | #
The truth is already out
The truth is already out people... I think what we're waiting for is that one "Mainstream" show that completely focuses on it, and reports on it as it should be, etc... as opposed to addressing the truth as "Conspiracy Theory", it's actually addressed as it should be on a "news" program.
I don't know if that's going to happen... honestly though, who knows...
The media is the answer though... otherwise, it's eventually going to get very bloody. The media has to attack it with the same veracity as the Swift Boat Veterans. It has to be on every channel, every night, until something happens.
Otherwise, we, the people, will have to take matters into our own hands, and that's when it's going to get bloody.
That's what I think needs to
That's what I think needs to happen... eventually, the people will need to make a statement. Hold them accountable, or we'll do it for you.
Draw a line in the sand and
Draw a line in the sand and say, "We're tired of the runaround bullshit. We're tired of protesting to no avail. We're tired of calling the media, and not getting any attention. We're tired of writing our Congressman only to get standardized letters in response. Either you hold them accountable, or we'll do it for you."
And I am NOT a violent
And I am NOT a violent person.
The new, "Hold Them
The new, "Hold Them Accountable, Or We'll Do It For You" campaign.
your talking about a
your talking about a revolution.im all for it personally, i think this country is that far gone.its gotten that bad.but i just dont know how that would even begin.
" as opposed to addressing
" as opposed to addressing the truth as "Conspiracy Theory", it's actually addressed as it should be on a "news" program."
I actually think it validates the internet every time the "traditional media" attacks the truth movement. The "traditional media" lessons it's own influence by attacking the conspiracy argument without providing substantive arguments to rebutt.
No one wants a revolution.
No one wants a revolution. No one wants bloodshed, or at least I don't, but they have to understand that we're not going away, and we're just getting stronger with each passing day. Eventually, our patience is going to wear EXTREMELY thin.
"I actually think it
"I actually think it validates the internet every time the "traditional media" attacks the truth movement. The "traditional media" lessons it's own influence by attacking the conspiracy argument without providing substantive arguments to rebutt."
Sure it does, but we've got enough "validation" already. It's time for the news to do its' job. Either they do, or we'll do it for them. It's time for the justice system to hold them accountable. Either they do, or we'll do it for them.
im so hopeless i think that
im so hopeless i think that revolution is the only way out.the media wont save us.
Here's my take on the media:
Here's my take on the media: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/11/guilty-of-protecting-war-cr...
And on revolution:
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/11/can-we-have-peaceful-revolu...
"im so hopeless i think that
"im so hopeless i think that revolution is the only way out.the media wont save us."
The media won't save us, and neither will the Government. Which is why we need to let them know that we're not going away. That we are here to stay, and that murdering 3000 of our own is unacceptable, and either you hold them to account, or we will.
Reminds me of a
Reminds me of a song...
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/audio/3/doc_theivesvi...
[C&L is a private blog, not
[C&L is a private blog, not a public company. All content is at the discretion of the siteowner. 9/11 conspiracy theories are not welcome on this site.]
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Anonymous for the Moment | 05.23.06 - 8:45 am | #
C&L strikes again. go get em.
Chris, I'm with you. But we
Chris, I'm with you. But we can't discuss armed insurrection. They'll claim that we're terrorists.
There's a great book called
There's a great book called "The End of All Evil" by Jeremy Locke. He makes a good argument that if any blood is spilled it will be the evildoers.
Just spread the truth and
Just spread the truth and justice will follow.
Chris, I'm with you. But we
Chris, I'm with you. But we can't discuss armed insurrection. They'll claim that we're terrorists.
Drew M | Homepage | 05.23.06 - 4:26 pm | #
hahahaha. yeah, i try to be careful.
Concerning the recent
Concerning the recent WorldNetDaily.com poll, which asks the question "Do you support a new, independent probe of 9-11?":
I would answer "No, we already know all we need to know about 9-11," if I were forced to chose among their options.
Excuse me. Choose, that is.
Excuse me. Choose, that is.
Snuggly, the Security Bear -
Snuggly, the Security Bear - Feel happy about the eavesdropping by the Feds. Cartoon by Mark Fiore lampoons Homeland Security snooping.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/18/opinion/main1628203.shtml
We need to make a list of
We need to make a list of demands. As opposed to writing lists of points that 9/11 was an inside job, we write a list of demands.
1. ANY official involved in the 9/11 attacks, will be tried for treason, and will face the full extent of the law.
2. ANY law written within the last 6 years will be overturned immediately.
3. ALL laws put in place to benefit the corporations over the people will be overturned immediately.
4. ALL voting machines will be required to meet the STRICTEST of standards, and if you're going to use electronic voting, you will be required to supply a traceable receipt.
5. Campaign reform should become a PARAMOUNT issue on the hill.
6. All "War On..." campaigns will be dissolved immediately.
7. All media monopoly outlets will be broken up, and NEVER again be allowed to be owned as they were.
Anything else?
Anyway, you get the picture.
Anyway, you get the picture.
8. The Federal Reserve will
8. The Federal Reserve will be abolished, and our currency will be based on the Gold Standard once again.
Laws don't mean anything to
Laws don't mean anything to these guys. Spread the truth and the justice will follow.
9. EVERY politician will be
9. EVERY politician will be investigated, and if it's found they have performed illegalities, they will be tried, and face the full extent of the law.
"Laws don't mean anything to
"Laws don't mean anything to these guys."
We are better than they are.
I believe in our
I believe in our Constitution. I just think it needs to be enforced.
10. Penalties will be
10. Penalties will be created, and enforced for any politician that feels they want to break the law.
Automatic 10 year sentence for any politician who is found to have broken the law, etc...
Breaking news on
Breaking news on MSNBC...
Reuters: New alleged bin Laden tape denies Moussaoui link to 9/11 attacks
Can't find any more details yet.
11. Cronyism laws will be
11. Cronyism laws will be put into place, and enforced.
im with you jon..but i need
im with you jon..but i need you to clarify for me: the fed vs the gold standard and how would that impact our economy
"We are better than they
"We are better than they are."
Yes, but the attorney general isn't going to prosecute himself.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12938808/
Osama bin Laden said Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person convicted in a U.S. court for the Sept. 11 attacks, had nothing to do with the operations, according to a Web site audiotape released on Tuesday.
Bin Laden said he had personally assigned tasks to the 19 hijackers who carried out the attacks on U.S. cities on Sept. 11.
I've been sending these poll
I've been sending these poll results to all kinds of media outlets today. Most people get their news from cable news chanels (unfortunately), so I've been focusing on them. Here's what I've been sending to everyone at CNN:
I'd like to see CNN cover the Zogby poll results released yesterday that show 42% of the American population "believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up." 10% was undecided, which means less than half of the American population believes that there has not been a cover-up. The report can be found at http://www.911truth.org/images/911TruthZogbyPollFinalReport.htm, and a press release can be found at http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060522/bs_prweb/prweb388743_6. Considering that the same poll results show a majority of the American population views "the US media's performance regarding 9/11, including their coverage of victim families' unanswered questions, theories that challenged the official account, and how the attacks were investigated" negatively, I believe it would be in the best interest of CNN to cover the release of these results, and I urge those at CNN to keep these results in mind next time they attempt to marginalize those of us who still have questions about the events of September eleventh (such as Glen Beck did on his May 17th show when he referred to the more than seventy million Americans who "say that so many unanswered questions about 9/11 remain that Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success" as "people with active imaginations, no common sense, and a lot of time on their hands").
I'm no writer but every little bit helps, I suppose.
Mr. Negative here. Ive been
Mr. Negative here. Ive been kicking back quiet on here lately. Always observeing tho. I didnt even blink an eye at this Zogby poll. I thought the big news was NYFD stepping up or something. As far as a revolution this Country doesnt have the courage to even speak the truth much less put down the remote control. I think some of you are in fantasy land. I know you need hope to keep up your positive efforts but this definately is not the land of the free-home of the brave.
"im with you jon..but i need
"im with you jon..but i need you to clarify for me: the fed vs the gold standard and how would that impact our economy"
Watch this movie... that goes for everyone else who's never seen it before as well.
The Money Masters - Part One
Part Two
Regards to the Bin Laden
Regards to the Bin Laden news...
"Bin Laden said he had personally assigned tasks to the 19 hijackers who carried out the attacks on U.S. cities on Sept. 11."
That was the purpose of that "news".
Good Jeremy.
Good Jeremy.
It must be handy to have
It must be handy to have Osama On-The-Spot and KSM On-The-Spot.
The links for those movies
The links for those movies don't work. I'm going to have to take that up with Partridge. The bastard.
Yizzo... watch this
Yizzo... watch this one...
Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve (Von Mises Institute, USA, 1996)
"Bin Laden said he had
"Bin Laden said he had personally assigned tasks to the 19 hijackers who carried out the attacks on U.S. cities on Sept. 11."
That was the purpose of that "news".
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.23.06 - 5:16 pm | #
exactly.
I like your list of demands,
I like your list of demands, Jon.
It's time to stop begging.
Bin Laden tape: Moussaoui
Bin Laden tape: Moussaoui had no link to 9/11
Report: Al-Qaida leader claims on tape he assigned tasks to attackers
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12938808/
you know what this is right? on the heels of the bullshit Pentagon footage, this is clearly desperation. i love watching them squirm. we have them on the ropes so be prepared for a lot more "Bin Laden" tapes and shit like that in the coming months.
Osama Bin Distractin
Osama Bin Distractin
What Would Flight 77
What Would Flight 77 Eyewitnesses Have Actually Seen?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/230506actuallyseen.htm
Two videos... the one at the top playes too fast for me.
d'oh. Never mind... read the
d'oh. Never mind... read the text :)
I wouldn't be surprised if
I wouldn't be surprised if this tape was released because of the Zogby poll...
We need to make a list of
We need to make a list of demands. As opposed to writing lists of points that 9/11 was an inside job, we write a list of demands.
1. ANY official involved in the 9/11 attacks, will be tried for treason, and will face the full extent of the law.
2. ANY law written within the last 6 years will be overturned immediately.
3. ALL laws put in place to benefit the corporations over the people will be overturned immediately.
4. ALL voting machines will be required to meet the STRICTEST of standards, and if you're going to use electronic voting, you will be required to supply a traceable receipt.
5. Campaign reform should become a PARAMOUNT issue on the hill.
6. All "War On..." campaigns will be dissolved immediately.
7. All media monopoly outlets will be broken up, and NEVER again be allowed to be owned as they were.
Anything else?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.23.06 - 4:35 pm | #
i like this list a lot... it could make us the great country that we once thought that we were...
Those are only short term
Those are only short term solutions Jon. We need for this to never happen again.
Hey... that list is probably
Hey... that list is probably completely wrong. It was just my "desires" based on the injustices that I'm aware of. There might be better answers, but the point is... we're 70,000,000 strong. It's time to start making demands.
its a start.. lol
its a start.. lol
Hey Jon and those who
Hey Jon and those who haven't seen the documentary....
Money Masters can be found on google video as well...
split into 3 parts
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=money+masters
Less than half of Americans
Less than half of Americans satisfied with 9/11 investigations
RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday May 23, 2006
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According to a new Zogby poll, less than half of Americans are convinced that that the events of September 11 have been thoroughly investigated, RAW STORY has learned.
In the telephone survey of 1200 individuals, just 47% agreed that "the 9/11 attacks were thoroughly investigated and that any speculation about US government involvement is nonsense." Almost as many, 45%, indicated they were more likely to agree "that so many unanswered questions about 9/11 remain that Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success."
The poll is the first survey that has attempted to gauge the level of Americans' doubts about 9/11 and was carried out for the "9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future" conference to be held in Chicago in June.
and C&L will continue to believe the governments fairy tale like gullible little lemmings searching for plugs on CNN...........
go to a liberal site that doesnt fear 9/11 truth. go to rawstory.com for a liberal site that doesnt endlessly delete comments and censor people.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200...sfied_0523.html
Chris | Homepage | 05.23.06 - 5:43 pm | #.
i just got banned from C&L for about the 10th time.pick up the slack somebody.
The only way the MSM will
The only way the MSM will treat us seriously is if we protest in vast numbers. In the 60s, citizens were able to put substantial pressure on the government by massive sustained protest in D.C. and elsewhere.
Obviously, alot of this was possible because of the draft, which led to a more effective grassroots operation on college campuses. We don't have the draft to fuel the fires of dissent, but thanks to blogs, and other forms of communication, the potential exists for an even greater level of orginization. All we need is a catalyst, and 9/11 is it. The recent zogby poll only confirms the vast numbers of people who are waking from their dream. Even without assistance from the MSM our numbers are swelling. This is especially true for young Americans. This makes campus orginization more realistic.
We should use all forms of media: Posters, fliers, doorhangers, internet,etc. to combat the propaganda efforts of the government.
We should set a specific date and all should all descend upon D.C. 9/11 truthers, anti-war people, all facets of progressive and moderate America must unite and give our representatives something to think about.
"Obviously, alot of this was
"Obviously, alot of this was possible because of the draft"
TheBob... you hit the nail on the head... everything that's taken place hasn't affected the majority in some way... we're pissed as hell, sure, but how have our lives changed aside from gas prices? Our numbers were massive when the majority was somehow threatened (the draft)...
MUST
MUST READ:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rwnews/3279
GOOD READ:
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editori...
ALSO VERY GOOD:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/717645.html
The problem is.. the
The problem is.. the majority is affected, and they don't know it. Which has always been our problem...
That demand list needs to be
That demand list needs to be on the discussion agenda at the Chicago Conference- if you can go, register now
http://www.911revealingthetruth.org
Randi Rhodes was discussing the Pentagon footage a few days ago and reminded her listeners that during the American Revolution loyalists outnumbered rebels 5-1. This new poll shows the odds are much better in our favor. Don't think a 9/11 truth revolution will need armed militias as much as all the hot air being let out of the official story and large numbers of people refusing to go along with the neo-con fascist imperialist war agenda. Toward this end we need to keep telling everyone we can, even more than we tell the media and the reps- they're not gonna take constructive action til the pressure from the people and the truth overcomes the pressure of their corrupt loyalties
"War seems to me to be a mean, contemptible thing: I would rather be
hacked in pieces than take part in such an abominable business. And
yet so high, in spite of everything, is my opinion of the human race
that I believe this bogey would have disappeared long ago, had the
sound sense of the nations not been systematically corrupted by
commercial and political interests acting through the schools and the
Press"
- Albert Einstein
http://www.zmag.org/quotes/quotesResults.cfm?topic1=War
http://www.zmag.org/quotes/quotesResults.cfm?topic1=Media
Scroll to "E"- tons of great quotes besides Einstein's
Einstein is a zionist
Einstein is a zionist shill.
jk.
Good quote
Jon Gold, you sound like the
Jon Gold, you sound like the New Socialist Man when you make those demands. Mass-mudering Castro and his ilk would be proud of you.
Anyone can be a corporation. All a corporation means is that the shareholders agree that they will not hold the company liable beyond the corporation's assets; further, that those who voluntarily loan assets or money to the corporation will not hold the shareholders liable. It has nothing to do with criminal or negligent liability. Each person that makes up the corporation is still resonsible for his actions.
I could be a corporation; you could be a corporation. All you have to do is fill out the paperwork.
For more on that, see the below articles:
"In Defense of the Corporation," Stephan Kinsella, Mises Economics Blog, October 27, 2005:
http://blog.mises.org/blog/archives/004269.asp
"Legitimizing the Corporation," Stephan Kinsella, LewRockwell.com Blog, April 29, 2004:
http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/004382.html
Our fight isn't against corporations, per se. I can't remember the last time Microsoft broke into a family's house and shot their child to death in the back, even though I recall said action by the U.S. government.
As well, many front-companies are used by the U.S. intelligence agencies, even though said companies aren't even corporations (i.e., they're just "privately owned" businesses).
Perhaps what you mean to say, Jon Gold, is that big businesses are often in bed with government, and not for a good cause. And that is quite true. But it doesn't help your cause to use terms such as "corporation" ignorantly as a scare-term.
So also many street-level blacks are in bed with the government. The point I'm making here is that to focus attention on them would be to take attention off of our real problem. The government uses whoever and whatever is convenient to it at the moment. Big business fits this discription because it is a vital segment of society, and hence it benifits government to use this sector of society in order to better impose its will upon the populace.
And yes, it's quite disgraceful that big business goes along with government in this manner. But don't confuse the effect with the cause.
It used to be that big business couln't give flying f*ck if you smoked crack on your lunch break, so long as you got the job done. It necessitated the government coming in with their regulations, punishments, and rewards in order to get the business world interested in such totalitarian things as drug testing. Before then the business world couldn't care less, and the only relevant question was: can he do his work? If he can, then big business couldn't give a sh*t if he does ten hits of acid on every weekend. After all, what do they care about that? Without the government perverting them, they're just interested in building widgets, or providing whatever services people are willing to buy.
As well, your comment that "All media monopoly outlets will be broken up" further demonstrates that you are an economic illiterate.
The only coherent definition of monopoly is an exculsive business (or group of businesses--in that case oligopoly) that are imposed by the government via law(s) and/or regulation(s). This is the classical definition of monopoly circa 1900 and before. In that era and before, the notion of a "monopoly" not impossed by the government would have been popularly considered a contradiction in terms. That is to say, monopoly *means* government-imposed protection. That is, and remains, the only coherent definition of monopoly.
But around that era, big businesses found that they were losing out to upstarts. And so they resorted to the government in order to protect their position, so that they wouldn't have to compete. In conjunction with the government, they created so-called "anti-monopoly" laws, which in fact imposed monopoly instead of restricting it (indeed, since a monopoly can only exist due to a grant of government privilege).
For more on that, see the below resources:
"Fire the Wizard--and Give Freedom a Chance," Arthur Silber, Light of Reason, June 3, 2003:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627223116/http://coldfury.com/reason/com...
Power Elites in America: Oligopoly and Political Pull (or, Beware the Regulatory-Industrial Complex), Sam Wells, 1987:
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/monopoly.htm
Section "3. The Illusion of Monopoly Price," subsection "A. Definitions of Monopoly," in "Chapter 10: Monopoly and Compitition" of Man, Economy, and State, Prof. Murray N. Rothbard (Auburn, Alabama: The Ludwig von Mises Institute, second edition, 2004; originally published 1962):
http://www.mises.org/rothbard/mes/chap10b.asp
http://www.mises.org/rothbard/mes.asp
What did I say James? "that
What did I say James?
"that list is probably completely wrong."
I didn't say that for my health.
James Redford... What a
James Redford...
What a misguided human.
Government uses Business ... ? HA HA HA... good joke.
Castro mass murderer? How many is *your* MASS? Look, you may be an Aerican and think you *love* your country .. but be real and compare CASTRO's rule with the blood-bath that the USA rulers have inflicted on the world!
CORPORATIONS are evil. Thats no secret. Anyone can form a corporation? HAHAHA...
In former times corporations were formed by a group of people (USUALLY GREEDY BUSINESS MEN) but they DISSOLVED themselves after the task was completed, like building a bridge.
Today Corporations are the ALL RIGHTS, little obligation INTO ETERNITY greed-monsters. The most instructive film is called
CORPORATION
by this canadian film-maker.
> Our fight isn't against
> corporations, per se. I can't
> remember the last time Microsoft
take Rockwell, Boeing, GE, Smith&Wesson, HSBC, FORD
> broke into a family's house and shot
> their child to death in the back
Oh let's defend Castro with the same stupid rethoric:
I can't remember last time CASTRO killed 3000 of his own people and then killed 100,000 brown people and then said its for the good of all of us.
Jon,
Good that you finally see that we need to organise IN ORDER TO PRESENT OUR DEMANDS.
Next you will find agreeing with Chomsky.. that the 911-conspiracy hunt takes away much valuable time from this ORGANISING EFFORT.
How many of you lurkers BELONG TO A UNION?
I bet NOBODY!!
So, lets continue the happy banter about this wonderful-gruesoe sherlock holmes story called 911.
What we need is a WORLDWIDE
What we need is a WORLDWIDE day of protest to be flagged up on the net. Just a date and a time when everyone who supports the truth does something at the same moment that has to be noticed - like stand in the street or in their workplace and shout
''911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!'' How about at 09.11 on 09/11/06?
James, I have to say your
James,
I have to say your willful ignorance of economics, history and politics is astounding and misleading to put it mildly.
But we can save that debate for a different time and a different forum.
U2r2h, yes, you can form a
U2r2h, yes, you can form a corporation. See the below link for further information on how to do so:
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&as_epq=how+to+incorporate&&as...
As well, u2r2h, it's quite a bit more than bizarre that you would feign as if governments haven't been responsible for mass-murder on a terrific scale throughout history, all without the help of big businesses or the feared "corporations." Government is quite capable of slaughtering populations on a massive scale on its own, as all of history demonstrates. No corporations needed.
More than four times the amount of non-combatants have been systematically murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from wars. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes killed from 3,500,000 to over 4,300,000 of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians. Communist governments have murdered over 110 million of their own subjects since 1917. And Germany murdered some 16 million of it own subjects in the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph Joseph Rummel's website at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ .)
All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for committing against its own citizens--certainly not in amount of numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist throughout history has always been the people's very own government.
For the matter concerning the mass-murdering Fidel Castro and his mass-murdering thug, Che Guevara, see, e.g., the below:
"The Real Fidel: A Discussion With Humberto Fontova," Prof. Thomas E. Woods, Jr., LewRockwell.com, July 20, 2005:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods47.html
"Monster," Humberto Fontova, FrontPageMagazine.com, July 15, 2005:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18739
Radical Pragmatist, I have a
Radical Pragmatist, I have a deep and profound understanding of genuine political theory, economics, and history.
If you doubt me, then debate me.
Radical Pragmatist, what you think you know just isn't so. You imbibe the government's propaganda, and you eat it up because you actually think it's "radical," despite the fact that the government forces it down your throat--figuratively speaking.
Yes, you're radical, all right. You're so radical that your worldview is what the government teaches the children from the time they're born until they die.
But I noticed that you simply accused me of somehow not being correct. So where is my fallacy, specifically?
Tell me that, and I'll rip you a thousand new assh*les--intellectually speaking.
The CRIME that Covered-up
The CRIME that Covered-up the Coup
Jim Kirwan
Al-Jazeerah, May 16, 2006
There’s a corporate dagger that has been leveled at the very heart of all that matters in the USA and the world today. The fact is that the role of government’s around the world have been nullified by those corporate powers that have taken control over the most pivotal points of life and promise within the global community. There is a key to this entire quagmire that can no longer be ignored, which is, the mega-crime committed on 911. So long as this government along with others in Europe and the wider world continue to spew lies about what happened on that day – then nothing can ever be changed!
The enemy of the United States of America is located in Washington D.C., in Tel Aviv and to a lesser degree in London. This cabal has used and abused the events of 911 to create tyrannies and to advance murder and torture on a grand scale, while they continue to act as intermediaries for the Corporatocracy that is the real power hiding behind most governments. It is these essentially private and protected corporate interests, that are using governments worldwide, to crush whatever remains of those freedoms and laws that were supposed to protect people from exactly this kind of take-over. What has happened is that governments everywhere have largely become superfluous, because the real power now lies with the multi-national corporate giants of the Corporatocracy.
911 was an attack upon the Constitution and the people of the United States, carried out by forces that had far greater designs for their private interests than could have ever been allowed under the US Constitution. Without the chaos of 911 that essentially stripped people of all the protections of law, and that turned all discussions into nothing more than fear mongering and terror warnings that we now know, were used to justify the immediate targeting of the entire US population, as potential terrorist sympathizers.
This began with the stolen election that put Bush in office. The Congress and the Courts have both shown themselves to be complicit in furthering those lies that the Bush administration has been spewing from the day they took office. The “Democrats” have proven that they will not offer any resistance to the hundreds of illegal and criminal acts committed by this government during these last five years: Bush alone proudly claims to have violated 750 laws, and this doesn’t count Cheney or Rumsfeld and all the others who have done the same thing.
If citizens of the USA have to abide by the laws of the nation – then how can government not be forced to abide by those same laws? 911 is and was a crime – not the bogus act of “terror” that is being used to justify a new dictatorship of privatized authority. What we have now is a fascist group that ignores the laws that limit them – while trying at the same time to enslave the population. Their goal is to enforce the dictates of private interests whose only goals are total power and complete control. The circumstance cannot be changed until the public accepts the fact that the 2000 election was a Coup and that the 911 cover story was created to redirect the public’s focus; while the true criminals finished killing off the protections of the Constitution: in order that no real questions could ever be asked because of National Security concerns.
The theft of this nation was a very shabby affair carried out by amateurs whose true motives are just beginning to unravel – big-time! Of course had there been a media to cover what was happening, while this was going on – none of this could have continued! Had the media asked real questions – the Supreme Court could not have appointed Bush as “president.” If congress had stepped into the Florida vote count, as was their duty under the Constitution, then the court would have had no jurisdiction; but congress remained silent and the Court broke with the Separation of Powers Act – that’s how the USA got its first Dictator!
The people didn’t understand what happened, so they kept silent. Then on September 11th the Dictator pulled off his first direct attack against the people of the United States, and to date – he’s still not been asked to explain his actions on that day. No one who was responsible for things like military defense, intelligence failures, or preparedness has even been fired – and apparently at least a third of the public is still fine with that! We’ve even allowed blatant fabrications about Flight 93 to appear in theaters; posing as a fact, when too much evidence exists that contradicts every facet of that fairy-tale.
People who will not even demand answers from their so-called leaders get exactly what they deserve. In a time of war, it is imperative that the public question everything that leadership does. The American public seems to be otherwise occupied. The public chose to deal with their government from a distance, when that government was supposedly democratic and free. But today there is a full blown dictatorship – where the Republic used to be: If that doesn’t matter to you – then just delete this, and get on with your very important life.
For those to whom the questions matter – it appears that things are still continuing to change despite the schemes and plans of the privateers still masquerading as the Corporatocracy. This is “Mother’s Day,” a Sunday, and none of the Sunday morning talk shows even mentioned the fact that Puerto Rico is now bankrupt, or that the US has sent more troops and ships to the Gulf of Arabia. Apparently we’re planning to attack Iran sometime around the first of June; Bush is simply waiting for the necessary excuse to “Open Fire.” (It won’t take much, as apparently Americans will believe almost anything because they tend to trust their dictator whenever “wars” are happening). There was no mention of Karl Rove’s indictment that also happened Saturday. There was no in-depth discussion about anything but the illegal use of US troops on the southern borders, another presidential edict – neither congress nor the governors were consulted. The president the vice-president and Rummy need to hold a joint two hour press conference in prime time and let alternative reporters and interested people question what they’ve done – as well as why they’ve acted as they have. If these three criminals can’t manage to accommodate the public, then at least give us Cheney directly, and leave out the middle men!
The public needs to change the subject, as it’s clear that neither the congress nor the courts will ever actually investigate 911. Popular Television and film have been making propaganda for this government at a rate that surpasses all that was ever done previously for any other war. Why? Because they want to keep the fear alive, they want to keep the public terrified and insecure – which is exactly the opposite of what a government is supposed to do. Look at New Orleans; they did exactly what no one wanted along the entire Gulf coast. No relief, no help, no food, no shelter – and still they have failed to act in the majority of cases. Where is that investigation, now that the next hurricane season is almost upon us? ‘Brownie’ quit, but no one was fired – and nothing has changed except that now FEMA has proven to be completely incompetent, along with our Jewish run Homeland Security – that too is apparently worthless – the largest agency in the federal government composed of 22 separate agencies, that had to cost hundreds of billions, and already it’s completely worthless – brilliant strategy – again!
Police departments around this country have taken on the look of Marines in combat – security personnel of every flavor use every opportunity to insult and interrogate the people they are supposed to be protecting – the same people that are also paying for their gruff existence. Look at all the secret and illegal acts the White House and the Department of Defense committed both on and after 911. The PATRIOT acts are blatantly illegal, and were written well before 2001, by those who created this deadly and criminal charade. The public never questioned this. Why hasn’t the entire national intelligence bureaucracy been dismantled and reformed, why haven’t the FBI, the CIA and the NSA been totally reshuffled? What about the Department of Defense and all those career generals, admirals and staff in the Pentagon. We’re losing the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and yet Bush is keeping the idiots throughout government, those same people that made failure the order of the day! Of course he hasn’t fired them, because they're his idiots, they’re his loyal fools, and he can’t do much if he begins to lose his loyal thugs – and Bush knows that – all too well!
Now we are told that the president decided to monitor all our calls – trillions upon trillions of calls in four years of spying on the public: During all that time how many were arrested or charged for anything like the kind of security breach that would have involved 300 million people in ‘plotting against their own government’? All of the above and more was possible, because people bought the idea that 911 was an act of war by foreign forces and NOT a mega-crime against the people of the USA.
There was an attack alright, but what happened on 911 was home grown treason designed to capture Americans by using bogus terror tactics to get us to relinquish all our freedoms, for a type of “safety” that no person on this planet has any right to expect. The USA has become the premier rogue nation in the world today, under false pretenses, that were dipped in innocent blood and the criminally of outrageous lies. Look at the levels of criminality within the government, the scandals, the complicity, the lies that underpin the bribery, the insider trading (on 911 as well as after): the patterns of collusion, cover-ups, embezzlement, and fraud on a
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People, this great article
People,
this great article by author Dr. Robert Dickson Crane in The American Muslim deserves to be linked up:
The Zogby Poll: Light at the End of the Tunnel?
http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/the_zogby_poll_li...
"Not even half the Americans
"Not even half the Americans consider the official version of 9/11 to be true."
German site Telepolis - http://heise.de/tp/ - top story:
Verschwörung im Weißen Haus? (Conspiracy in the White House?)
http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/22/22735/1.html
Gives a fair presentation of the Zogby poll as far as I can tell. Also relates the poll to the Iraq lies and German opinion on the issue.