Calling All Dutch 9/11 Skeptics

The guys over at Zapruder Inc. are organizing an event on June 20th and are requesting all Dutch 9/11 skeptics to come join in and help out.

Here is a brief summary of their plans (rough translation):

We have an offer from a very well viewed and very reputable TV program that if we will offer the 9/11 petition one more time they will film us. I want to test your willingness, this event works best if we can assemble lots of people who want to join us (and go) and take with us more letters of readers in the petition.

We are in a hurry, the cabinet will go on holiday in three weeks. The wording of the petition will be very neutral so that believers as well as non-believers can agree on it, we just want the politicians to look at it and speak out.

So, how do we deal with this and how much support can you arrange? Last time i was standing there alone.


We will offer the petition on the 20th June in the house of parliament in The Hague. This usually is around 13:00. Whether they will accept it personally is not known. Last time they refused. For the media attention it will certainly help if we do this big and with many people. In any case a TV crew from a big and well known TV show will be there. That's their promise.

You can find more information on the upcoming rally in the Loose Change forums here, and if you speak dutch you can join in on the forum here.

The typical response is

The typical response is extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, but it's the story of 19 hijackers which needs extraordinary proof of which there is very little.
By framing the debate that the OV is not extraordinary the people who support the OV are putting all of the onus on those who dispute the OV when the reality is that the OV is an extraordinary claim.
We need to turn it around and make them defend the extraordinary claim of 19 hijackers eluding the entire air defense system.

Hi all, I have now posted a

Hi all,

I have now posted a "sequel" on DailyKos, together with a new poll.

Please participate as actively (and, of course, politely) as you can, before it gets deleted. Thank you for your continued support.

The new article and poll can be found at

Glenn, the perpetrators made

Glenn, the perpetrators made some mistakes. What do you expect from arrogant maniacs? As Rummy might say, they did the best they could with what they had available. Also, it wasn't our entire gov't behind the operation. They couldn't think of nor close every single loophole.

Your post seems designed to invent doubt where there really is none. They demolished WTC1 & 2 before your eyes, and WTC7 as well, whether you admit it or not, so get used to the idea!

I feel flattered with all

I feel flattered with all the above comments about the Dutch, but I must also admit that I am very disappointed in Holland's political parties. We have a multiple party system (contrary to your two party system) but to this day, I haven't heard a single representative speak out on issues regarding 911 truth. Not even from the socialist or green parties. At least the American green party is willing to address these issues. All in all Zapruder Inc is doing great work, although lately they have adapted to a broader coverage of related conspiracies (Enron, Bilderbergers, Peak Oil, even the friggin Da Vinci Code) which in my view doesn't help the case. Anyway, I will try my best to participate the 20th.

There's anumber of so called

There's anumber of so called 9/11 truth sites that I find highly suspicious and disengenuous.

You see, while I do believe Flight 77 hit the pentagon, I dont call any site promoting this "disinfo". It's the intention of the site. If a site is saying no planes hit any building, it was all fake, the passengers are still alive or were secretly taken away, and any other nonsense like "the Jews being behind it", I start to question what their real motive is. See I dont agree with a lot of Loose Change, but their heart is in the right place. Thats the BIG DIFFERENCE between them, and say WingTV whose main goal is to attack the 9/11 truth movement, or IamtheWitness and that Huschmind site that blames everything on "evil Jews".

I myself am Dutch to. I

I myself am Dutch to. I learned the truth about 9/11 about two months a go. Thanx to the site a lot of dutch people have "awaken" recently. Now it's there goal to reach politics and media so we can wake up a lot more people!

9/11 was an inside job! Really? Yeah Really!

The Dutch have been really

The Dutch have been really supportive of the effort.

This post is directed

This post is directed towards the newcomers... The following lecture is something I used to show people when they first asked me about 9/11. I would say, "Watch this, and then come talk to me about 9/11". I thought it was a great opening as to the way the world works.

Anyway, if you've never heard of him, Dr. Michael Parenti is a brilliant political scientist. He's written several books, and was even nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for his book, "The Assassination Of Julius Caeser".

I know there are some in the movement who think Parenti is a "Gatekeeper" because he doesn't talk about 9/11 Truth.

A while back, I asked him if he would speak at a 9/11 Truth Conference. He said he wouldn't speak, but would be interested to go to one, and to let him know when there is one.

Honestly, I just don't think he's looked into it. Ok, a lot of people haven't. That's what we're fighting for. However, that doesn't mean that what he says isn't valuable. Theoretically, the same could be said for Noam Chomsky, however, I've never been a fan of Chomsky's, so it wouldn't be right for me to comment on him.

Please put aside an hour, and listen to what he has to say. You won't regret it.

An Excellent Lecture By Dr. Michael Parenti - Video Inside

I'm starting to think we

I'm starting to think we might be outsourcing patriotism to the Dutch :)
Hey, if they're doing a better job at carrying the movement than most Americans, then so be it.
They're all up in the movement, everywhere I look, there's a good ol' Dutch person assisting in the efforts. Thankfully :)



seriously, i see more Dutch

seriously, i see more Dutch people than any other group except americans.if i remember correctly, it was the Dutch that made that amazing documentary on The Carlyle Group.

John Bolton Tells Iran To

I'm Dutch myself. Been

I'm Dutch myself. Been awaken to the truth of 9/11 for about 2 years now.

The media in the Netherlands

The media in the Netherlands as been terribly silent about 9/11 truth except regurgitating the lies we have been told for almost 5 years now.

I'm sure some journalists have doubts about 9/11 but are not allowed to talk or discuss it by order from the higher echelons who control all media in the western world.

Was Election 2004

Was Election 2004 Stolen?

The one from Kennedy...

New "Iraqi Massacre" Tape

New "Iraqi Massacre" Tape Emerges

What they did is wrong, but PLEASE try to remember. They are there because of a lie. At the end of Vietnam, the people of America turned against the soldiers in a big way. I'm sure a lot of that had to do with media manipulation, but we can't let that happen now. We must always support the troops. By definition, if we allow them to stay in harm's way, we are not supporting them. Only by bringing them home will we truly show our support for the them.

For those of you who doubt

For those of you who doubt that Election 2004 was fraudulent, or think that they would NEVER do something like that, read the following three stories:

George W. Bush Authorized Covert Action To Help With Iraqi Elections
Election Fraud In Iraq?
Iraqis Condemn 'Election Fraud'

Nah, they would never...

Nah, they would never... just like they would never kill 3000 people.

not Dutch, but pardon my

not Dutch, but pardon my French anyway...

BTW... I think those

BTW... I think those particular soldiers should be dealt with severely.



Wasn't that nice of Rolling

Wasn't that nice of Rolling Stone Magazine...

"John Zogby, one of the nation's leading pollsters"

My comment: Saying "bring

My comment: Saying "bring them home" is going one step too far. The TRUTH has to be restored as the basis for whatever they do. There could be some legitimate mission in Iraq, Afghanistan, or elsewhere, but not before TRUTH sets us all free.

There is no pre-emptive

There is no pre-emptive mission that is worthy. Especially one based on lies. I agree, that in order to restore the United States dignity, the truth has to be revealed to the world. However, there is no "legitmate" reason to invade another country unless you're after her spoils. Since there's no "legitimate" reason to be there, we should bring them home. They're going to have a civil war regardless of whether or not we're there. I'd rather our soldiers not be in the middle of it. Hopefully, if anything, we can promote diplomacy over hostility.

pre-emptive mission meaning

pre-emptive mission meaning bombing the shit out of a country...

pre-emptive mission meaning

pre-emptive mission meaning bombing the shit out of a country...
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.01.06 - 10:14 pm | #

I was going to object for some form of unprovoked dissent.

but i think we can all agree that "bombing the shit out of a country" is not a very good policy.

Officials Begin Survey for 9/11 Registry

NEW YORK — City officials on Thursday launched a follow-up survey for thousands of people in a registry tracking post-Sept. 11 health problems, looking for proof of persistent respiratory and psychological illnesses in those who worked or lived near ground zero.

The World Trade Center Health Registry gathered initial information from 71,437 people who worked at ground zero or were in the area at the time of the attacks, making it the nation's largest such registry.

The FBI never corrected its

The FBI never corrected its list of "hijackers" since September 27 2001, and never added dates or places of birth, this despite all of the hijackers having had INS visas. It's as if the FBI doesn't really care, or have been told not to care, which is disconcerting for those who want to believe in the "official" story...
Their INS visa applications & supporting documentation should provide a wealth of information about each hijacker! WHERE IS IT? WHY HASN'T IT BEEN MADE PUBLIC?

I don't see how having a

I don't see how having a false flag attack is necessary. Why do they need a reason to invade Iran? The other members of the UN security council aren't objecting to the U.S. rhetoric so far and seem to not mind that the US is not offering to take unilateral attack off the table. The other countries in the security council appear to be all playing a part in the game to destroy Iran.

"Forensic experts in New

"Forensic experts in New York say they have identified body parts of two of the 10 hijackers who flew planes into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the New York Medical Examiner's Office, said the identifications had been made using DNA samples provided by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
The FBI had collected the DNA from tiny traces of skin on the steering wheels of vehicles hired by the hijackers and from hair samples recovered from their hotel rooms."

Now that's truly amazing:

- 500 mph crashes, explosions, fires & heat melted steel beams, but it didn't ruin the hijackers DNA!
-Indestructible Black Boxes not found, but hijackers' DNA is found!
-Skin from steering wheels & hair from hotel rooms?

The article continues:

"Earlier this month, the FBI provided profiles of all 10 hijackers, including alleged ringleader Mohammad Atta, so their remains could be separated from those of victims."

-How & why did the FBI have DNA profiles of the 10 WTC hijackers on file??? When & where did they obtain their DNA???


those particular soldiers

those particular soldiers need psychiatric care.

rumsfeld needs to put away for life.

think about being 20 years

think about being 20 years old and in your third combat tour. everyday is a game of musical chairs except if the music stops, you blow up. you can't see the enemy and you have no friggin idea why you're there.

itsaputon, McGovern also

McGovern also indicated the likelihood of post-invasion terrorist attacks.
These being carried out by supposed Iranian cells which I'm also sure we know of, or knew of via Able Danger.
And we all know what happened with that program don't we.
Kind of like Valerie Plame's operation in Iran before her and her colleagues were treasonously ousted by the highest in command, jeopardizing their safety and their mission in Iran, which as luck would have it dealt specifically with IranÂ’s nuclear development.

Aftermath Images from the

Aftermath Images from the September 11, 2001 Attack on America at the WTC in New York City, and the Pentagon in Washington + Searchable MSM News Archives:

That's a huge site linked

That's a huge site linked above^. Here's the imagages page:

Controversial Documentary

Controversial Documentary "America: From Freedom To Fascism" Gets Standing Ovation At Cannes Film Fest...

why? these conspirators

why? these conspirators didnt have a crystal dont plan a conspiracy of that magnitude to fail. and thats exactly what does away with this conspiracy.they aparently planned to fail.

these devious planners apparently didnt think it was smart enough to ram the right kind of planes(or even a plane if you believe the missle theory) into the buildings.

they didnt plant WMD in Iraq, or use Iraqi pilots when they knew damn well the invasion of Iraq is the next phase.

theyn allowed their pilots to visit prostitutes thereby blowing their own coverstory.

in short,there was no conspiracy because the evidence paints any wouild be conspirator as as stupid as some local blood or crip member.

as I have said before, the war on terror in no way pivots on the towers falling.some idot before said they could just fix it.what kind of retarded response is that? pearl harbor is fixed now also.

you dont just ram planes into buildings in america and get away with it. whether they fell or not.

the conspiracy planners would have known that full well.instead they go into this ridicuous over complicated scheme of brainwashing and crashign wrong planes into buildings.

its stuff like this the whole conspiracy falls on.

I myself will nto be

I myself will nto be surprised if Iran is attacked before the november 06 elections. "Hey, dont vote the repubs out of congress yet, were in a war!"
Afghanistan----Iraq---Iran...straight out of the PNAC blueprint.

Btw, ANYONE going to the American Symposium in LA? So would like to go to that. Alex Jones freaking rules.

I vote that we remove the

I vote that we remove the url from the 911 related websites, Nico Haupt is a lunatic. Also

itsaputon, I just utilized


I just utilized your point in my comment, copied below. (It seems that they don't even want to believe in election fraud.)

"RFK Jr does not do what you say he does"

Oh, he does. Have you read the entire article, or even parts of it?

The systematic deviations e.g. between the exit polls and the final results are just not possible. One of my examples was:

"The statistical odds against such a variance are just shy of one in 3 billion."

The variance is a fact. Are you saying that you believe that the Bush side just happened to be so lucky that they stumbled upon this 1 in 3,000,000 chance? What is it that makes you so strong in your belief?

And have you yourself read any of Griffin's books? Or Jones's article? Or the WTC 7 analysis by the Finnish doctor of engineering?

A few days ago an old lady posted about her conversation with a military person, a captain ("reservinkapteeni"). She asked him what, as a military man, he thought about 9/11. He responded right away that it was an inside job. In his opinion the air defense of a superpower could not have been so poor that hijacked planes could have kept flying freely for so long. (He gave other arguments too.)

I also think that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. The claim that 19 hijackers managed to

hijack four airplanes without any of the pilots even giving a hijacking alert;

fly those plains near several air force bases for a total of 1 hour 50 minutes without any kind of interception;

in particular, fly one of the planes for 40 minutes from the Ohio border to Washington and then crash into probably the best defended building in the world (yet happening to crash into the only narrow reinforced section of its walls);

cause three steel-framed skyscrapers to collapse in seconds to the ground, one of them in a different block from the others (while the closely neighbouring buildings suffered only minor damage);

and even select a day during which there were several large war games and antiterrorism exercises underway. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (a true American hero for me), but no other politician, grilled the Defense Minister about these exercises:

"Mr. Chairman, I have a question"

So, the demand of extraordinary proof is really on the side of the proponents of the extraordinary official story.

What proof have we been given? A hijacker's passport that miraculously survived an inferno that destroyed the black boxes of two airplanes? A list of hijackers that has for years been known to be incorrect? Pentagon footage which shows nothing (as if the Pentagon, for God's sake, didn't have better-quality cameras that would have captured whatever hit the building)? A bin Laden "confession video" showing a guy that even a child would see is not bin Laden (who twice denied involvement after the attacks)?

Compare the different images of bin Laden here:

Alternatively, bin Laden must have undergone a nose operation more extensive than anything Michael Jackson ever did (and learned to write in his other hand).

Extraordinarily bad proof, I'd say. But I'm open to better proof. I wish they'd provide it.

I'll be away during the

I'll be away during the weekend, so I'd *really* appreciate any support you guys can give me on the forum. Here's the address again:

Please be active if you can. Thanks.

The petition needs to be

The petition needs to be online on various 9-11 truth websites! Bush and Blair and cohorts need to be tried at Hague for treason, war crimes and crimes against humanity! And others as well,the whole Goddamn pure evil PNAC group,etc.! Please have Dutch send petition so we can get out ASAP to help them out! And spread it widely and quickly! Please, get ahold of that petition and spread widely!

Vesa, your work is

Vesa, your work is excellent! We must all post there.

I vote that we remove the

I vote that we remove the url from the 911 related websites, Nico Haupt is a lunatic. Also
Andy White | Homepage | 06.02.06 - 1:58 am | #
i second that.

I'll 3rd that!

I'll 3rd that! infinity! infinity!

Hi all, this is Antagonizer

Hi all, this is Antagonizer from Zapruder_Inc.

We are glad you like our little "chip in" in getting the truth out. Although we focus mainly on US-based politics and geopolitical issues (like corporatism and neocons) we also want to confront (Dutch) people with the involvement of the Dutch government and the docile corporate media we have here. We seem this peace-loving little country, but out government is in like Flynn.

We tend to have a slightly different approach from most 9/11-truth websites; we want to reach as big an audience as possible. Like it or not, the bigger part of the 9/11 movement is quite an incrowd (in the positive sense of the word) and we don't have to inform those people, as they are very well capable of doing so themselves. No, we want to reach the large chunk of people which stand at the bottom of the pyramid, having seminal doubts but not knowing where to begin. We want to break it down to them piecemeal: carefully explaining to them the mechanics of geopolitics and corporatism, which bring upon us this global fascist regime. We noticed when you start blasting off exposing the horrible truth that people tend to shun away and ultimately become scared off.

So therefore we decided to take on a more popularistic/lighter approach, getting in as big a public as possible to read, listen and look. So sometimes you will also see some lighter subjects, getting those people in to also read the other stuff and because we do have a general, broader interest. Who said you couldn't be fun and serious at the same time? We don't take ourselves too seriously as persons, but we are DEAD serious about this subject and the people that support it. That is why we adapt also a more activist attitude, organizing conferences, handing in petitions to the government, getting ourselves noticed and attacking the corporate media lackeys where ever we can. So it's not only writing about it, but also going out there and confront those f*ckers! Still, we purposely keep our 'brash' image, as it give us more leeway to do our thing.

I hope we can make a nice addition to all those other great initiatives -like yourself!- and we should always support each other, as we all share a common goal.