Off to Chicago 9/11 Conference

Just got all my crap together for my trip to the Chicago event. Unfortunately as per usual I waited until the last minute to get my stuff together, so I'm sure I have forgotten something or another.

In any event, after scouring the massive number of simultaneous events that will be occurring I have realized that covering everything from the three day event will be nearly impossible, however we will do our best to cover what we can - and will be taking a digital camcorder, camera, and 12 hours worth of tapes to help. If you are attending the Chicago events and are taking a camcorder please let me know so that we can cover different events and perhaps exchange tapes. The people at 911truth.org who helped organize this event will also be releasing a set of approximately 25 DVDs at 2 hours a piece within a couple of weeks of the event - we will be sure to get our hands on the set and spread them around if at all possible.

I have forwarded all emails that are submitted to me via the contact panel on the left to my PDA/phone, and the other emails will be checked as we get to them between presentations. We should have broadband abilities via the hotel and be able to check in pretty frequently throughout the weekend, however it is unlikely that we will be posting anything more than pictures and text until after we are back. I have taken off Monday so that I can get straight to work on the video footage once I am back.

Looking forward to the event, be sure to stay tuned for news from Chicago!

Washington's Orwellian

Washington's Orwellian Consensus (Excellent Big-Brother Bush article.)

"...None of the promised investigations into Bush’s alleged abuses has made much progress, as the traditional checks and balances of the Republic – the press, Congress and the Judiciary – have either backed away or looked helpless in the face of Bush’s grab for more and more power...." http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/060206a.html

I have to work, and my plane

I have to work, and my plane doesn't leave until 7:50... ugh.

my internet radio station

my internet radio station will be broadcasting some of the conference probably starting sometime sat.afternoon, probably most of the day sunday. Michael Berger of 911truth.org says he'll be uploading media on the site as soon as possible.

Hi all, I have now posted a

Hi all,

I have now posted a "sequel" on DailyKos, together with a new poll.

Please participate as actively (and, of course, politely) as you can before it gets deleted. Thank you for your continued support.

The new article and poll can be found at

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/2/81113/16175

"The administrators there

"The administrators there obviously really want to keep people in the dark."

The exact same thing is done here so I wouldn't complain. Everyone going to the conference be sure to question the questionners.

Didnt DailyKos post some

Didnt DailyKos post some Pakistani ISI/9-11 stuff before? I guess all the sudden there's a 9/11 blackout.

Oh and here's a classic clip of Cynthia Mckinney grilling Rumsfeld on Dyncorp defense contractor child sex slavery, missing trillions and 9/11 war games:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2XRjP7jGmg&search=rumsfeld%20missing

Wish I could be there in

Wish I could be there in chicago but am stuck in buttfuck, idaho for a friend's wedding this wkend. Good luck to those who are going.

Vesa, am glad to hear that some of the comments have been deleted. What a bunch of clowns. Keep us informed if you're ever going to post another 911 related subject in your diary. We could jump in the comment section and help out.

Good luck. Can't wait to

Good luck.
Can't wait to read about it.

I posted several well

I posted several well thought-out responses in the comments section of my DailyKos diary last night. Now all of them, combined with all others' related responses, have been deleted. (My earlier comments remain there.)

The administrators there obviously really want to keep people in the dark.

It seems that I still can post diaries. If I do, I wonder how long it will stay online.

This seems to be the

This seems to be the ultimate 9/11 activists event. SHAME on the anti war and activist sites for not promoting this.

Anyone going to Alex Jones 9/11 convention in LA?

Hope it is a good

Hope it is a good conference... everyone take a lot of video, audio, and photos! Have fun.

Alex Truberg

Does anyone here agree with

Does anyone here agree with this statement:

"The sequence of events on 9/11 has much in common with standard hypnotic techniques for rapid trance induction. These characteristics include hypnotizable subjects, focused attention, rapid induction, trance deepening, hypnotic suggestions, depth of trance testing, post-hypnotic suggestions, and delayed activation of anchors.

"The hypnosis scenario explains why the majority of people did not believe what they saw with their own eyes; a controlled demolition of the World Trade Center. Although trances tend to wear off with time, repeated triggering of hypnotic anchors can prolong the effects indefinitely. The challenge now is to break the spell for a critical mass of people prior to any future false flag terrorist attack."

Tim, As pointed out by David

Tim,

As pointed out by David Ray Griffinin his book, "The 9/11 Commisssion Report: Omissions and Distortions," the 9/11 Commission Report presents a "conspiracy theory" that not only does not take into account all of the known facts ("omissions"), but deliberately misinterprets the facts that it does present in favor of its theory of what occurred ("distortions"). If you are condemming all "conspiracy theories" does that include this one?

Also see the 115 points that Griffin lists in his article: "The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie" (http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404). Can you refute any of them?

"Where did you get your

"Where did you get your 99.9% information?"

From research. Where do you get YOURS?

"911 Pollmuncher-those were

"911 Pollmuncher-those were great points! One question of hundreds I have. After both the North and South Tower were struck if the buildings were in such bad shape why didnt the North Tower show any reaction to the South Tower collapseing rite next to it?"

Why don't you tell us what the world's structural enginneers have to say about that? If you think you or I are experts in that area you are sadly mistaken. If you think it is even a relevant question then you must have massive evidence from structural engineers to back you up.

Let's see you produce that evidence.

LOL at this "Tim" guy. I am

LOL at this "Tim" guy. I am ALL about debunking theories through looking at the evidence, whistleblowers, etc. But this Tim guy is something else.

Tim will have you believe that there was no election tampering, Bush didnt lie to get us into Iraq, and there is no coverup of 9/11. Unbelievable. I hope a 9/11 family members has a good talking to with anyone protesting a CROSS RELIGIOUS/CULTURAL event looking into the truth of 9/11. These arent "UFO black helicopter chemtrail" conspiracy theorists...these are serious activists, 9/11 survivors and family members, former government officials, whistleblowers, etc simply wanting to get to the truth of those awful days.

Trust me, if I thought 9/11 activism was simply conspiracy theorists trying to exploit shit or making a buck, I wouldnt be pouring a lot of my personal time to spread the word, and CERTAINLY not if I didnt think the government has been lying at every corner.

Looking forward to your

Looking forward to your coverage guys. :+:

Im greatly looking foward to

Im greatly looking foward to this event. Wish I could be there.

If they blow all of us up...

If they blow all of us up... unleash hell... ;)

I'll be there tomorrow,

I'll be there tomorrow, saturday, for one day. If any commentors, or readers, from this site see me, be sure to grab me & say "hi" ;-)

Really looking forward to meeting other knowledgable and active people.

Jonathon Vreeland,
AKA Manhattanite, 911 Eye Witeness
http://spork.nyc.ny.us/Sept11

"Really looking forward to

"Really looking forward to meeting other knowledgable and active people."

Looked at your site. That is not an explosion. Ask someone at the conference to explain it to you.

I'd give anything to be

I'd give anything to be there. I'm so close, in Iowa, yet unable to go. Keep up the great work. The military is testing a SMALL nuke in Nevada today, ironic isn't it?

http://www.moviesonline.ca/mo

Have a good time there. I

Have a good time there. I wish I could be there too!

Boris.

Off topic as my posts

Off topic as my posts usually are. Who do you trust for news/commentary? I like onlinejournal, consortiumnews, and counterpunch.
People I trust to tell the truth are William Odom, Paul Craig Roberts, Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, Molly Ivins, and Helen Thomas.
Help me out with more sites and people to trust.

Larry Johnson has his head

Larry Johnson has his head in his ass about 9/11 though. Helen Thomas is a hero. when shes gone, the White House Press Corps will officially be useless.

William Odom won't speak

William Odom won't speak about 9/11 either, but it's important to me to get good analysis of other areas besides 9/11.

dz is there... he just met

dz is there... he just met Alex Jones.

I have been working on Larry

I have been working on Larry Johnson for a while about 9/11. He's a no-show.

Helen Thomas is a jewel in a

Helen Thomas is a jewel in a den of rocks.

Pack yo bags! Say HI to

Pack yo bags! Say HI to Kathleen and Lynn from L.A.
pockybot: I'm going to Alex Jones' conf.

It amazes me how people who

It amazes me how people who dedicated their lives to the government and have been betrayed so badly can't bring themselves to even ask critical questions about 9/11.

Another great movie to add

Another great movie to add to your 9/11 collection:

Who Killed John O'Neill?
If you believe the media, John P. O'Neill was simply another innocent victim killed in the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center. But you don't need much imagination to suspect something deeper was at work.

http://www.911source.org/video/movies/who_killed_john_oneill
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1981225573970187433
http://www.WKJO.com

The vote on DailyKos is

The vote on DailyKos is going well, as usual.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/2/81113/16175

Please participate if you can.

Vesa, I voted YES on your

Vesa, I voted YES on your poll at Kos -- but, frankly, after reading a few comments, I had to exit before I got sick. I appreciate your efforts to try and pry open those closed minds though.... probably not worth it, IMHO, since they seemed to have used superglue and are permanently shut.

Vesa Do you direct those who

Vesa
Do you direct those who want to know more over to this site? It seems like your beating your head against the wall presenting your argument over there and those who disagree always say extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof while they are the ones who need the extraordinary proof that 19 hijackers did it.

Is there a transcript of

Is there a transcript of "Who killed John O'Neill"? Would be great to be able to search the text and have it as reference.

I'll probably work on

I'll probably work on transcribing it over the weekend Greg. I'll let you know if I manage to do it. ;)

vesa: i love you. Keep

vesa: i love you. Keep beating them drums. There are a lot of closed minds, but the more people to rattle the cages, the more people to rattle the cages.

Keep up the great work.

more off topic: Air America Radio's sweetheart Rhandi Rhodes's weekly newsletters appear to permanently feature Loose Change as the last must see media item. Even though AAR is a bona-fide leftwing gate keeper, there are still people fighting the good fight over there.

Thanks to everyone else. You know, more often than not, most people I talk to at random have seen Loose Change. Those that haven't I recommend it too. I carry around a high resolution video of Wtc7 controlled demolition on my Axim X51v VGA pocket pc, and show it to people all the time, at restaurants, in line at the barber shop, etc. I just show them the video as a conversation starter: I ask them: "What do you see here?" I don't say what it is... after they say "It's a building being demolished..." I ask, "now why do you think that?," asking them to point out why they think it is a controlled demolition (again, very high resolution, you can see the 'blast squibs' and dust roiling over the top of the building from the explosions.)

Finally, after they have convinced me that what they saw was yet another typical building implosion like the ones they have seen on the Discovery Channel (where they followed along with Controlled Demolition, Inc on a bunch of implosions (who cleaned up the wtc again???)), I tell them it was Wtc7. I follow with a video I have 'Secret Evil of 911' which shows how a building would fall if it weren't imploded (sideways) and immediately follow with Silverstien's comment about loss of life, etc, so he told the firefighter's to pull it, and they pulled it, and we watched the building come down.

Then I point them to this site, and www.st911.com and www.911truth.org.

When asked, and when I ask, what the hell can I do about it? I simply say, tell everyone you know.

I am but one person.
I am a Veteran.
My grandfather was NSA, and my father was NASA.

It seems that there is a

It seems that there is a concerted effort to threaten law suits against 9/11 truthers & others who oppose Bush. Such as Dylan Avery by the Naudets & now Michael Moore by an Iraqi vet: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/01/fahrenheit.suit/index.html

nb: SECRET EVIL

nb:

SECRET EVIL YA!

http://www.911Hijacker.com

If Michael Moore is a 911

If Michael Moore is a 911 truther, I'm Queen Elizabeth.

Seriously, I want some news from Chicago! :D

Vesa, I made a comment...

Vesa, I made a comment... Don't know how long it'll last.

Gave you a recommend too. I got your back. :)

I didn't say Moore was a

I didn't say Moore was a truther. I said truthers & others who oppose Bush are being sued.

To Vesa & others: Don't let

To Vesa & others:

Don't let disinfo artists take 1 snippet of 9/11 truth out of context and claim it is unproven, while the official story itself is unproven and totally unbelievable.

9/11 truth is based on the series & pattern of implausible events that took place surrounding that day. From Bush unbelievably sitting-out the whole thing, to NORAD standing down; to steel-framed buildings imploding, to confiscated video of whatever hit the Pentagon, to removal of physical evidence, to Bush stalling 414 days before allowing investigation, to caveman Osama & his 19 flunkies defeating trillion $ defense system, to Osama denying involvement, to Osama not being captured, to an over-insured shyster saying "pull it" to "Hi mom, this is Mark Bingham" cell calls from 33,000 ft., to insider trading days before 9/11 for airline stocks to fall; to PNAC NeoCons (in 2000) claiming to need a "New Pearl Harbor" to begin military pre-emption strikes (wars of aggression) on other countries, to Cheney & his Halliburton Co. war profiteering billions of $, etc., etc. .................

Nice summation...

Nice summation...

the lawsuits are just more

the lawsuits are just more desperation. just like the Pentagon tape. just like the pretty big up-swing in 9/11 truth hit pieces in the past few months. its all desperation and i love it.

You managed to get

You managed to get everything 100% wrong, anonymous.

Oh, geez, speaking of

Oh, geez, speaking of disinfo artists...

To those going to Chicago

To those going to Chicago (wishing I could go, but can't): Thanks. Take good notes. The news about the DVD's is great news. Stay cool. Remember Gandhi and MLK in Daley Plaza. Vaya con Dios. Say hello to Richard Grove, and please thank Ty Tauber and Ryan Thurston for their marvelous movie "WKJO?". I studied film, TV and radio production back in the Pleistoscene era and my hat's off to them for the artful and cost-effective approach, the cinematography, the single actor playing multiple selves (I thought I was watching myself there at moments), and "the wall". Loved the ending, too... even if it drives my angst to new levels. It's a piece of work, gentlemen.

http://i.realone.com/assets/r

Just banned from DailyKos

Just banned from DailyKos again. Fuckin' A.

What Kos and Bush have in common

Bush:

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."

G.W. Bush speaking before the UN GeGeneral Assembly 11/10/2001

Kos:

Controversial 9/11 Diaries

DailyKos accepts that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by agents of Al-Qaeda. It is forbidden to write diaries that:

1. refer to claims that American, British, Israeli, or any government assisted in the attacks
2. refer to claims that the airplanes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon were not the cause of the damage to those buildings or their subsequent collapse

Authoring or recommending these diaries may result in banning from Daily Kos.

Let us never tolerate

Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty.

The John O'Neill documentary

The John O'Neill documentary was great, very informative. Details about the workings of Kross, the drug trade, Barry Seals etc.

My only gripe is I think one the characters was taken strait out of 12 Monkeys. Guess which one.

Drew, is that from

Drew, is that from DailyKos?

"DailyKos accepts that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by agents of Al-Qaeda."

"Let us never tolerate

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th..." Except for the most outrageous one told by the U.S. gov't???

No wonder they banned me.

No wonder they banned me. DailyKos is a "gatekeeper" site.

"DailyKos accepts that the

"DailyKos accepts that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by agents of Al-Qaeda. It is forbidden to write diaries that:..."

At least 911blogger.com does not forbid the truth from being written, that is:

1. The government was not behind 9/11 in any way whatsoever.

2. The 2 NYC towers and the Pentagon were hit by passenger jets hijacked by avowed members of Al Quaeda.

3. The 3 NYC towers collpased as a result of the damage and fires inflicted on them.

The evidence for that is overwhelming and no evidence exists of any explosives whatsoever.

The gatekeeper tag is

The gatekeeper tag is getting overused. It's just too hard for some to accept the truth. I don't consider those people gatekeepers. Inadvertent gatekeepers maybe.

See tim, you can post your

See tim, you can post your crap here on 9/11 Blogger, but DailyKos are gatekeepers. (btw, you sound like a young shill in-training.)

Larry "pull-it" Silverstein

Larry "pull-it" Silverstein begs to differe with you. My eyes seeing towers erupting & exploding beg to differ with you.

We need more talk about

We need more talk about unique ways to spread the message and less talk about other blogs.

Those are from the Press

Those are from the Press Conference that's taking place right now. FYI.

ha... the real rap group

ha... the real rap group "The Diplomats"

http://www.unitedslavesofamerica.org/dips.jpg

"1. The government was not

"1. The government was not behind 9/11 in any way whatsoever."
Just like their not behind leading us into a murderous rampage in Iraq for 3 years! 250,000 dead! GTFOOH.

http://news.monstersandcritic

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1169161.php/As_Ira...

'We don't have a clear-cut knowledge,
but the estimate we have made is some time between the beginning of the next decade and the middle of the next decade they might be in a position to have a nuclear weapon which is a cause of great concern.'

That warning came on the heels of another by former chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix who said the previous day that political tensions in the Middle East did not allow for the establishment of a nuclear-free zone, and regional disputes must be resolved first.

Blix, speaking in his capacity as head of a new Swedish organization, the Weapons of Mass Destruction Commission, said that Israel was 'assumed' to have 200 nuclear weapons, and 'should commit itself not to make more plutonium.'

Tim- You're crazy Jon G. -

Tim- You're crazy

Jon G. - Yup that quote is from the DailyKos FAQ.

TO ITSAPUTON AND DAILY KOS

TO ITSAPUTON AND DAILY KOS in General, along with CrooksandLiars and Smirking Chimp: After reading those sites religiously for a couple years, Ive lost ALL RESPECT.

We have MAINSTREAM CREDIBLE proof that Bush lied about Iraq, that the elections were manipulated, and the government is covering up elements of the 9/11 investigation(Able Danger, Pakistani involvement, EPA air quality, etc) YET you folks CALL ANYONE who disagrees with the official Bush neocon story tinfoil hat crazies. WHAT THE F???

I have MORE respect for right wing Bush worshipping blogs than YOU guys, because at least they are consistent.
DailyKos and the other similair leftgatekeeper sites are major hypocrites, blind, and the PERFECT example of bad liberalism and democratic corruption. If a prominent Democrat was busted on major corruption charges youd defend them.

There's no difference between DailyKos and right wing blogs: they both perpetrate lies, censorship and the official neocon Bush lies.

If next week top generals and CIA officials came forward on the headline news with smoking gun proof 9/11 was not as we were told, you idiots would be burying your head in the sand.

Oh yeah, and guess what

Oh yeah, and guess what Daily Kos and other leftgatekeeper "democrats" and "liberals", GUESS WHO is on the side of 9/11 Activism and Truth?
Air America, thats who. The co founder, Randi Rhodes, Jeanane Garafalo, Mike Malloy and almost all of the top Air America hosts have recently been speaking out on the LIES of 9/11 and devoting major air time and programs to it.

What, are some of you gatekeepers going to start protesting and stop listening to your one liberal radio station? Or stop reading sites like InformationClearingHouse, RawStory, and other once leftgatekeeper sites who now FREELY are helping to expose 9/11?

Good luck for the

Good luck for the conference!

YouTube upgrade turns

YouTube upgrade turns one-hit wonders into stars:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060602/wr_nm/media_youtube_dc_1
http://www.youtube.com/t/explore_youtube

This looks like it could help us. And the way things are growing we will need the bandwidth!

>1. The government was not

>1. The government was not behind >9/11 in any way whatsoever.

Yes, nothing is really impossible, but some things are more likely and others are less

probability chart:

Osama masterminded it: 0.01 %
it was a govt./mil. inside job: 95.00 %
Twin towers fell from fire: 5.01 %
Twin towers exploded from fire: 0.00 %
WTC 7 fell from fire: 0.10 %
Silverstein meant "pull out of the building": 0.05 %
No official knew in advance of the attacks: 0.00 %
...
...

What, are some of you

What, are some of you gatekeepers going to start protesting and stop listening to your one liberal radio station? Or stop reading sites like InformationClearingHouse, RawStory, and other once leftgatekeeper sites who now FREELY are helping to expose 9/11?
pockybot | 06.02.06 - 2:54 pm | #
pocky, the worm is turning and the cowards will eventually catch up. keep pounding them.

oops.

oops.

Pockybot: Yeah Air America

Pockybot:

Yeah Air America is coming on board.

Here's the link to the HuffPo article by the AA Founder:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheldon-drobny/911-redux-renegade-u_b_2129...

"TO ITSAPUTON AND DAILY KOS

"TO ITSAPUTON AND DAILY KOS in General, along with CrooksandLiars and Smirking Chimp: After reading those sites religiously for a couple years, Ive lost ALL RESPECT."

I'm with you, but I think the label "gatekeeper" puts people on the defensive when in reality people just don't know how to confront the truth.

My flight may be delayed...

My flight may be delayed... bastards. Cause of the "rain".

Tim is cute. Really is in

Tim is cute. Really is in training. But is going to have to start pulling some overnighters to get up to speed cause he's terrible.

Hey THIS ONES for Daily Kos

Hey THIS ONES for Daily Kos people:

MSNBC TODAY: Most 9/11 rescue workers and responders suffering horirble illnesses:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13088161/site/newsweek/

But I thought Bush said the air was safe? Sadly, he FORCED the EPA to lie about the air quality:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/09/national/main567489.shtml

What ELSE are they lying about or covering up in regards to 9/11?

"Taking pictures and tapping

"Taking pictures and tapping phones
Debating snitches and cracking codes...
And my overtime is where your taxes go"
-Immortal Technique

(applicable to "disinfo" agents)

Itsaputon-

Yeah by calling people gatekeepers and disinfo agents it kind of makes us seem rabid. I mean, we are, but for the right reasons :).

"you sound like a young

"you sound like a young shill in-training."

I just tell the truth as we all know it, anonymous.

Timothy... 1. The government

Timothy...

1. The government was not behind 9/11 in any way whatsoever.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

2. The 2 NYC towers and the Pentagon were hit by passenger jets hijacked by avowed members of Al Quaeda.

Prove it.

3. The 3 NYC towers collpased as a result of the damage and fires inflicted on them.

That's not what Professor Jones and several others have to say. Including the several witnesses who heard, saw, and felt the explosions.

Timothy... you are really bad.

"Tim- You're crazy" What I

"Tim- You're crazy"

What I wrote is exactly true and unrefuted.

"probability chart:" Source?

"probability chart:"

Source?

"I just tell the truth as we

"I just tell the truth as we all know it, anonymous."

Really? The whole truth and nothing but the truth?

"Timothy... you are really

"Timothy... you are really bad."

Prove I'm wrong.

Tim, what's the best

Tim, what's the best definitive account of the attacks of 9/11?

Tim- In my experience

Tim-

In my experience 911blogger has allowed viewpoints of all sorts... I don't understand your point.

Are you either-

1) Arguing the Official Version

or

2) Saying that 911blogger is a "gatekeeper" of certain 911 theories and/or information

?

>I just tell the truth as we

>I just tell the truth as we all know >it, anonymous.

Thanks to Bush we have 2 Trillion national debt to pay down. That's $2'000'000'000'000.00
For this type of money, i want to know EXACTLY what happened on 9/11, not some story about Osama and being told "just believe it".

Tim, you realize that it is

Tim, you realize that it is not up to us to PROVE the things we are saying?????

In a court of law, all we have to do is prove that it is not possible for the events to have happened in the way the government claims. It is then up to them to PROVE that what they claim is true.

You do realize that the NIST document is not correct, and that NIST did not even follow it's own operating procedure???? They are required to explore ALL possibilities when investigating a problem. They did not! Therefore, they helped cover-up the lies the Bush Crime Family committed.

Show me where the names for the hijackers show up on ANY manifest????

There is so much evidence that counters the official story that shows that this administration has turned our country into a police state.

I have more, but this should be enough for you to research.

Now go and learn something!

I just want to know what Tim

I just want to know what Tim considers to be the best definitive account of the attacks of 9/11.

Even tiny criminal cases

Even tiny criminal cases have more investigation & speculation by authorities than 9/11. This stinks to high heaven.

Just think of Gen. Myers: He actually told at the 9/11 commission the military only prepared for an attack "from Russian bombers". It's like he missed the 1991 Gulf War or what, hm? - this guy is guilty as hell of 9/11

Tim as Jon said...prove

Tim as Jon said...prove you're right. Get on it. Let us know when you're done!

ahhh whats going on in

ahhh whats going on in Chicago right now?

The people have a right to know! ;)

They should be doing the

They should be doing the march right about now through Chicago.

Tim, where's those video of

Tim, where's those video of the Pentagon???? Your telling me that the WORLDS most protected building has only TWO video's of the event????

There are more than 80 cameras around the Pentagon. Your telling me that only the gate security camera caught the plane???

Your telling me that a convienence store has better video capability than the Pentagon???

Is that what your telling me?

Ehem... I just want to know

Ehem... I just want to know what Tim considers to be the best definitive account of the attacks of 9/11.

Godspeed to all of those in

Godspeed to all of those in and going to Chicago!

Or -- to say the same thing in non-religious language -- go kick some serious butt!!!!

Moussaoui trial is now being

Moussaoui trial is now being justified after the fact:

Electronic Security Belts Allowed During Court
State Supreme Court Narrowly Approves Use
(AP) SPRINGFIELD, Ill. The Illinois Supreme Court today narrowly approved the use of electronic security belts during court proceedings.

Justices ruled 4-3 today that a defendant's trial was not tainted because he was forced to wear a stun belt during the proceedings.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_153144142.html

Is the mainstream media, or

Is the mainstream media, or anti war protestor/activist sites even promoting the Chicago 9/11 truth event? Shame on them for not.

It really saddens me the anti war and activist youth crowd isnt for 9/11 truth.

sorry if this has been

sorry if this has been posted but check out this diary on Kos... Amazingly, the Nazis there won't quit and insist that they are protecting the site from 9/11 tinfoilhatters. If Kos doesn't shape up he'll be sought as an accessory to the coverup when the shit hits the fan...

HAHA never mind... looks like he's chickening out!

DailyKos is undergoing some maintenance right now.
It'll be back up just as soon as possible.
Thanks for your patience.

Let's see what changes they make... mass banning of all but the 9-11 deniers?

KOS is the new C&L. fuck

KOS is the new C&L. fuck them. they do not represent this liberal.

Yeah, notice how on Kos

Yeah, notice how on Kos there is always a link on top so you can buy his book. What a philanthropist.

Just a couple of quick

Just a couple of quick questions for Tim:

1) How is it that the top of one of the WTC towers fell UPWARDS at a high rate of speed?

2) How is it that the top of one of the towers started to fall over sideways but CHANGED ITS MIND?

3) If 19 nefarious terrorists pulled it all off, why is it that Bush and Cheney worked overtime to prevent any investigation?

4)How come OBL hasn't been indicted?

Judith Goes To Court

"Really? The whole truth and

"Really? The whole truth and nothing but the truth?"

Absolutely. Why would I lie?

"Tim, what's the best

"Tim, what's the best definitive account of the attacks of 9/11?"

Not the ones by anonymous and Greg above.

I listed the truth above.

Tim ........you cheap

Tim ........you cheap fucking shill. You are in the company of people who don't buy your bullshit. Heard it a million times already. Go fuck with some rookies you stupid dickhead. Don't you know that we are going to deal with your type pretty soon?

"Tim as Jon said...prove

"Tim as Jon said...prove you're right. Get on it. Let us know when you're done!"

I know I'm right and I'm positive you know you're wrong.

It's the Gallows for you

It's the Gallows for you Timmy boy !!

I know , why don't someone

I know , why don't someone track old timmy boy down and post his personal info on here. Ha Ha !!!

Mssr. Jouet: 1. They

Mssr. Jouet:

1. They didn't
2. It didn't.
3. Demonstrate the connection
4. Irrelevant.

Now, demonstrate that I am wrong.

I know , why don't someone

I know , why don't someone track old timmy boy down and post his personal info on here. Ha Ha !!!
jimmy | 06.02.06 - 4:10 pm | #
im on it.

"Don't you know that we are

"Don't you know that we are going to deal with your type pretty soon?"

I'd be happy to meet you in Chicago tomorrow. There will be a demonstration of people who'll handing out flyers showing the silliness of the speakers and 9/11. We will be wearing tin foil hats. Just ask for Tim "The Man".

"Mssr. Jouet: 1. They

"Mssr. Jouet:

1. They didn't
2. It didn't."

No, then explain this????

http://www.physics911.net/9-11%20Picture8%20(sotower).jpg

"3. Demonstrate the connection"

When people have something to hide they fight having it investigated. DUH!

"4. Irrelevant."

Really??? Isnt' that what this "WAR ON TERROR" is all about?

Now, demonstrate that I am wrong.
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:11 pm |"

"It's the Gallows for you

"It's the Gallows for you Timmy boy"

That's worse than over at Daily Kos.

I rest my case.

"No, then explain this????"

"No, then explain this????" It's been explained. What confuses you?

" "No, then explain

" "No, then explain this????" It's been explained. What confuses you?
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:18 pm | "

By who????

Not by PHYSICS!!!!!!

An object at a 30 to 40 degree angle MUST continue it's movement in the direction it is moving.

This is basic PHYSICS, maybe you should look up Newton's laws and the law of gravity.

Explain how this can break the LAWS OF PHYSICS!

Cumon SMART GUY!

"An object at a 30 to 40

"An object at a 30 to 40 degree angle MUST continue it's movement in the direction it is moving."

It fell down went boom. With the rest of the building. Just look at the videos.

"This is basic PHYSICS, maybe you should look up Newton's laws and the law of gravity."

You should check with those who know what they are talking about.

Its OFFICIAL...... tim is

Its OFFICIAL......

tim is seriously a newbie.

HEY TIM, Go tell your bosses that you failed HORRIBLY.

At least the previous SHILLS could support their comments somewhat. You do nothing but SPOUT SHIT!!!!

Put your money where your mouth is.....

Provide your proof! Give me the calculations that show that the buildings can in fact fall at free fall speed???? Show me how???

Show me JUST ONE STEEL FRAMED BUILDING that has fallen for any reason in our worlds history, besides controlled demolition! JUST ONE SHOULD BE EASY, SINCE YOU BELIEVE THIS IS POSSIBLE.

Put up, or SHUT UP!

"I listed the truth

"I listed the truth above."

Tim, I don't consider you, an anonymous internet person the "definitive" account of the attacks of 9/11.

What is the most definitive account of the 9/11 attacks?

Tim, where do you get your

Tim, where do you get your information regarding the 9/11 attacks?

Half hour until I drive to

Half hour until I drive to the airport... hehehehehe... I'm so excited... I love flying.

1. The government was not

1. The government was not behind 9/11 in any way whatsoever.
-Tim

Al-CIAduh was trained, funded and given weapons by CIA through the ISI.

so in fact you are lying when you say...

The government was not behind 9/11 in any way whatsoever.

now go learn some history then come back and talk to us.

you're the kind of person who probably thinks the Iran-Contra affair was nothing but a lone gunman doing things on his own instead of policy and back channel covert-ops.

retard.

now go learn some history then come back and talk to us.

"You should check with those

"You should check with those who know what they are talking about.
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:24 pm |"

What's your education level??? I have a 4 year degree, with Calc 1 and Calc 2 required for my degree.

I have the math that supports my point, what do you have????

Jon, have a great time in

Jon, have a great time in Chicago!!! can't wait for your report.

peace.

A good education that will

A good education that will help show you why there is no evidence of explosives used at the world trade center on 9/11:

Next on NOVA: "Kaboom!"

http://www.pbs.org/nova/kaboom

Broadcast: June 6, 2006 (Repeat)
(NOVA airs Tuesdays on PBS at 8 p.m. Check your local listings as dates and times may vary.)

NOVA's "Kaboom!" offers an in-depth and heart-stopping look at the ultimate chemical reaction -- the explosion. Using high speed photography and dramatic reconstruction, the program charts the tarnished history of explosives, rife with terrible accidents, scientific ingenuity, and ultimately, the carnage of war and terrorism.

To explore the anatomy of a firework, meet a demolition expert, and more, visit us online.

http://www.pbs.org/nova/kaboom

Oh... I see now.. tim is S.

Oh... I see now.. tim is S. King and vice versa... he can ONLY argue about the "Controlled Demolition".

"Jon, have a great time in

"Jon, have a great time in Chicago!!! can't wait for your report.

peace."

Thanks man. It should be fun.

"Provide your proof! Give me

"Provide your proof! Give me the calculations that show that the buildings can in fact fall at free fall speed???? Show me how???

None of the investigations showed any building falling at free fall speed.

"Show me JUST ONE STEEL FRAMED BUILDING that has fallen for any reason in our worlds history, besides controlled demolition! JUST ONE SHOULD BE EASY, SINCE YOU BELIEVE THIS IS POSSIBLE."

Explain to me why you think that is relevant.

Tim, do you consider the

Tim, do you consider the 9/11 Report to be the definitve account of the attacks of 9/11?

" http://www.pbs.org/nova/kab

"
http://www.pbs.org/nova/kaboom
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:32 pm |"

And this means WHAT????

There is NOTHING IN THIS LINK THAT EVEN TALKS ABOUT THE TOWERS!

Get lost LOOSER!

"...he can ONLY argue about

"...he can ONLY argue about the "Controlled Demolition"."

I just posted an e-mail alert I just received.

Glad to hear you don't believe that controlled demolition baloney.

"There is NOTHING IN THIS

"There is NOTHING IN THIS LINK THAT EVEN TALKS ABOUT THE TOWERS!"

Of course. Obviously the towers weren't blown up. It talks about explosives and you'll learn why they weren't used in NYC.

"one of the investigations

"one of the investigations showed any building falling at free fall speed."

Really???

The 9/11 and the FEMA report states that the buildings fell in about 10 to 16 seconds.

The calculation for this height is 9.2 seconds. This is FREE FALL SPEED!

If it was SAY 40 seconds or more, like it should have been then it could not be said to have fallen at near free fall speeds.

A second or two are not argueable! PERIOD!

Tim, did I say I didn't

Tim, did I say I didn't believe in Controlled Demolition?

I think that Professor Jones, and others like him who have made the convincing argument that it was, in fact, controlled demolition, deserve their day in court. However, I don't consider myself an "expert" on the subject...

I would just like a clear, direct answer from you.

Do you think the 9/11 Report is the definitive account of the 9/11 attacks?

"Tim, do you consider the

"Tim, do you consider the 9/11 Report to be the definitve account of the attacks of 9/11?"

No, not at all. I consider the sum total of all the evidence from all sources and in all the scientific investigations to be solid and unrefuted by 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

"No, not at all. I consider

"No, not at all. I consider the sum total of all the evidence from all sources and in all the scientific investigations to be solid and unrefuted by 9/11 conspiracy theorists."

So you're saying the sum total, which includes Sibel Edmonds' testimony, which includes Norman Mineta's testimony, which includes the Project For A New American Century, doesn't show a "Conspiracy"?

What about the Pakistani

What about the Pakistani ISI's involvement in the attacks? That is part of the sum total is it not?

What about the allegations

What about the allegations of bribery between the members of the 9/11 Commission. Isn't that part of the sum total?

"I think that Professor

"I think that Professor Jones, and others like him who have made the convincing argument that it was, in fact, controlled demolition, deserve their day in court."

They've had their day in court. They have a website but have yet to make any case. There is some wild speculation and many outright claims but they rely mostly on other conspiracy sites and shoddy speculation. After all these months of making claims they've come up with nothing to refute all the known evidence.

I think they've embarrassed themselves in the process.

"They've had their day in

"They've had their day in court."

Really? Did they re-open the investigation into 9/11 without my knowing? When was that? Where did it take place?

Sorry Jon, I see no evidence

Sorry Jon, I see no evidence worthy of remotely suggesting a conspiracy that claims the government was behind the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe my standards of evidence are higher.

tim, how much do you get

tim, how much do you get paid to be here???

"They've had their day in court."

Show me where these people have been in court and had a chance to prove their cas in a court of LAW!

IDIOT!!!!

Tim... we have organizations

Tim... we have organizations like NORAD, the Air Force, the Navy, etc...

Are they part of our Government?

Keep and eye out for

Keep and eye out for 'Cointelpro and agents provocateur'...RAG

"I see no evidence worthy of

"I see no evidence worthy of remotely suggesting a conspiracy that claims the government was behind the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe my standards of evidence are higher.
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:46 pm |"

So now you decide what is credible and what is not???? You are the sole Judicial evaluator of evidence to determine if it warrants a court case????

Someone please shoot this bozo!

"Really? Did they re-open

"Really? Did they re-open the investigation into 9/11 without my knowing? When was that? Where did it take place?"

That's funny. No one is going to open another investigation when Jones can't even begin to make a case that one is needed.

You'll all have to refute all the solid evidence first and after years of heraring the same stuff over and over 9/11 conspiracists have gotten no where.

Except to Chicago for a weekend of back-slapping.

the 9/11 commission was like

the 9/11 commission was like a court trial, but basically the defendants (the govt) acted as judges at the same time. It's the old saying "we investigated ourselves but found nothing wrong"

"I think they've embarrassed

"I think they've embarrassed themselves in the process.
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:44 pm | # "

Take a look in the mirror.

if tim says so, it must be

if tim says so, it must be

Tim can you please provide

Tim can you please provide one fact to back up your claims?

please just one fact?

pretty please.

Man, it must sting to be so

Man, it must sting to be so biased and partial and ignore so much evidence to the contrary of what they WANT to believe. When are people going to realize that their Presidents aren't their favorite sport team. They're not something to blindly follow with dreams of victory.
Blind patriotism isn't patriotism at all.

"You'll all have to refute

"You'll all have to refute all the solid evidence first"

Please provide this solid evidence!

Please provide an independant report that states that the towers could fall the way they did.

Please provide an independant report that shows how the military could have been so inept, as I know it was not possible because I have served.

Please provide evidence that the hijackers were even on those flights. If you have such ROCK SOLID proof, this should be real easy. However, I have yet been able to find their names on any manifest.

Show the undisputable proof?????

Where is it because I have yet to see anything other than what the government tells you.

"So now you decide what is

"So now you decide what is credible and what is not???? You are the sole Judicial evaluator of evidence to determine if it warrants a court case????"

That's hilarious. Who said anything about a court case?

I do have the ability to think and weigh evidence. I see nothing from you guys that remotely meets any standard of evidence that would be accepted by anyone. Just look at the stuff you've posted as an example, RemoveBush.

So big deal. I don't have to prove a thing. The burden of proof is for you all to produce evidence demonstrating your claims.

It's as simple as that.

"The burden of proof is for

"The burden of proof is for you all to produce evidence demonstrating your claims.

It's as simple as that.
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:56 pm |"

WRONG! The only burden of proof that has to be shown is that the facts are not possible. When a part of the story is shown that it is impossible, or very hard to acheive, then it is up to the DEFENDER to prove otherwise.

We have shown that it is impossible for the official version to have been performed. Now provide evidence to prove that it is possible.

Cumon SMART GUY!

"Tim can you please provide

"Tim can you please provide one fact to back up your claims?"

You got it backwards. You're supposed to provide evidence of a conspiracy. That means overturning all of the evidence against you.

It's interesting that despite all these years you haven't produced anything.

Tim - There have been

Tim -

There have been numerous government employee whistleblowers who have come forward - Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, Sibel Edmunds, 5 penagon employees who testified under oath about Able Danger.

All these revelations came out AFTER the Commission report.

The very idea that you are implying that it is somehow WRONG for american citizens to demand transparency on these issues - and a clear historical record - accountability - and justice - is an extremely biased position.

You can use the phrase "conspiracy theorists" until you are blue inthe face - but there are citizens who care enough about this that they are willing to sacrifice their careers to come forward.

so who are you? what do YOU stand for? nothing. you just cast stones at others while resting satisfied that the commission answered all our questions?

what if YOU lost a wife? would you be maybe a LITTLE curious why Able Danger placed yellow stickers over Atta's photos - signifying he was off limits? would you care who the 2 star general was who ordered this - and why?

what if youlost a daughter in the towers? would you be so fucking insulting to americans who want ANSWERS?

you are an embarassment to this country.

"That's hilarious. Who said

"That's hilarious. Who said anything about a court case?

tim | 06.02.06 - 4:56 pm | "

Actually!!!!

"They've had their day in court. ....
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:44 pm |"

this reminds me of the

this reminds me of the religion chat room at aol where someone starts out by saying, "there is no god".

actually, there is no god and you're a fool if you believe so. there is hard physical evidence that wtc7 was brought down by controlled demolition but there is no evidence that Jesus every existed.

tim has an american flag comforter on his bed and falls to bed every night to the sweet sounds of iraqi children begging the marines not to kill their mommy and daddy

"We have shown that it is

"We have shown that it is impossible for the official version to have been performed. Now provide evidence to prove that it is possible."

Oh, I've read all those claims before. You've repeated many of them. I have to chuckle that you think you've overturned the millions of documentary pages of evidence yet fail to actually provide any of it for anyone to see.

You'll have to do better.

timmie, I hold a Ph.D. in

timmie,

I hold a Ph.D. in physics. I was a tenured physics prof in a well-known US university for many years. In my opinion, Professor Jones and many others are doing outstanding work. Who are *you* to flame these people?

Are you one of those people who couldn't even pass my intro mechanics or electromagnetism courses? Don't you realize that people here think you are an utter fool?

My advice to everyone else: don't feed these trolls.

Have a nice day!

no tim, you have it

no tim,

you have it backwards.

You cannot dispute this:

If evidence shows the Official Version to be impossible- there must be an alternate explanation

Such evidence is out there. If you're gonna continue to be a closeminded jackass about it, then I'll quit responding to your egging on.

Tim - do you realize that

Tim - do you realize that there are living victims of 9/11 that you insult with your attitude?

There is nothing conspiratorial about demanding answers.

This was the worst terrorist attack inteh history of the United States - and you don't CARE the FBI confirmed that the alleged hijackers were frequent guests on Jack Abramoff's Sun Cruz gambling boats?

You don't CARE that the San Diego alleged hijackers lived with a declared FBI asset with military intelligence ties? LIVED with. do you get that?

YOU are suggesting that we NOT ask questions?

is that your official position?

Silence?

google "el mozote" and look

google "el mozote" and look for Mark Danner's New Yorker article.

US trained school of the americas alumni throwing babies in the air and catching them with their bayonets.

this was the last time Negroponte, the dark prince of the men's wearhouse, and his neocon buddies were in power.

tim's A

tim's A LOOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEEEEERRRRRR!!!!

This moron can't even counter the information that the 9/11 truth movement has put out! He can't even do anything but sit in his corner with his blankie and say "You'll have to do better."

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Tim - This nation spent $60

Tim -

This nation spent $60 million to investigate the Monica Lewinski scandal- and you condemn people for demanding answers to 9/11?

The problem is that too many

The problem is that too many people feel they have to prove something to Tim when it is Tim who has to prove the OV is correct.

"The very idea that you are

"The very idea that you are implying that it is somehow WRONG for american citizens to demand transparency on these issues - and a clear historical record - accountability - and justice - is an extremely biased position."

Who said it was wrong? Show me.

"You can use the phrase "conspiracy theorists" until you are blue inthe face - but there are citizens who care enough about this that they are willing to sacrifice their careers to come forward."

That is their choice. I don't have to agree with irrational stuff however.

"so who are you? what do YOU stand for? nothing."

I stand for truth and reason.

"you just cast stones at others while resting satisfied that the commission answered all our questions?"

Let me repeat what I wrote above so you'll no longer be confused:

No, not at all. I consider the sum total of all the evidence from all sources and in all the scientific investigations to be solid and unrefuted by 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

I see that you don't want to discuss anything but the 9/11 Commission, a very small part of the whole story.

"would you be so fucking insulting to americans who want ANSWERS?"

It is not I who is insulting Americans, young man. So don't insult my intelligence. It is those who get solid answers who refuse to listen to them, who refuse to provide evidence for their assertions, and who refuse to stop repeating false information.

Those very people are meeting in Chicago this weekend.

Tim asks for proof, while

Tim asks for proof, while reserving the very handy empty rhetoric of "conspiracy theory" whenever you provide him with evidence.

What Tim is actually doing is condemning open debate - open dialogue.

To Tim, good citizenship mean silence - no debate - no questions - no power in the hands of the people.

Its silly circular nonsense.

Does anyone really think Tim even CARES about the facts? He simply exalts in his own rightious indignation that ignorance is strength.

I would like to see him show up at a vistim's of families support group and behave this way.

Tim - there are unanswered questions and gag orders on whistleblowers. THat's a fact. Your presence here is inappropriate. Either HELP up discover the truth - or leave. Either display some intellectual honesty and compassion - or leave.

I knew something was up when

I knew something was up when I saw them fall...

Tim said: "I consider the

Tim said: "I consider the sum total of all the evidence from all sources and in all the scientific investigations to be solid and unrefuted by 9/11 conspiracy theorists."

That's a neat trick Tim considering that there are multiple gag orders that renders the most important facts secret.

That's interesting that you can say that when the commission claimed Able Danger did not exist - when 6 Pentagon employees - under oath - vividly remember the program and Mohammad Atta - and were ORDERED to ignore him.

I guess they are just lying?

And i guess we are all "conspiratorial" for demanding to know WHY Atta was being protected?

YOU are claiming to know the truth when that is simply IMPOSSIBLE.

"Tim - do you realize that

"Tim - do you realize that there are living victims of 9/11 that you insult with your attitude?

On the contrary. I'm doing exactly the opposite.

"There is nothing conspiratorial about demanding answers."

You're not demanding answers. You all are stating you have the answers. Just watch what happens in Chicago. None of the speakers will be asking questions or demanding answers. They will claim they have all the answers as they always do.

How many of you will be demanding answers from the speakers to prove their claims?? I'm willing to bet you accept their claims already unconditionally.

I've seen it so many times before.

-

"How many of you will be

"How many of you will be demanding answers from the speakers to prove their claims?? I'm willing to bet you accept their claims already unconditionally.

I've seen it so many times before.

-
tim | 06.02.06 - 5:28 pm |"

But yet you will believe the OV in the same manner!!!!

HYPOCRITE!!!!

"What Tim is actually doing

"What Tim is actually doing is condemning open debate - open dialogue."

There is no debate here. Read the thread.

"To Tim, good citizenship mean silence - no debate - no questions - no power in the hands of the people.

You're projecting. You don't like being challenegd to support your claims about 9/11.

"Does anyone really think Tim even CARES about the facts? He simply exalts in his own rightious indignation that ignorance is strength."

I care about the facts 100% and a lot more than those who accept 9/11 conspiracy theories uncritically.

"YOU are claiming to know the truth when that is simply IMPOSSIBLE."

You have several posts from anonymous and RemoveBush that you have completely ignored. Tell me why.

I don't claim to have the whole truth. I just know what is required of evidence that you ignore. You haven't made a case that will go any further than discussion groups.

And the evidence will be starkly evident in Chicago as we hear the "facts" and "evidence" those non-truth tellers want you to believe.

Remember that they have the answers and will convince you of that.

I want to know if you will even contemplate questioning them.

Tim cannot speak for

Tim cannot speak for Chicago. There is such a diversity of opinions in this movement - and among the speakers - that Tim's claims are empty assumptions.

But, at LEAST our community is willing OPEN the dialogue.

I certainly do NOT agree with all the positions of members of this community. of course not. there IS no common consensus. but - the dialogue is important.

once again - Tim seems to want to stop ppeople from having opinions and discussing the facts and asking questions.

he is condemning the forum itself.

that speaks volumes.

well - i'm outta here. have a good weekend - and never stop demanding the truth.

Tim, is your last name

Tim, is your last name Osman?

not everybody here takes everything that is said as fact. MANY of us do our own research and draw our own conclusions, but one conclusion we can all agree on is that we are NOT being told the whole, real story, and that the coverup of those facts is to an extent that is criminal.

Wow, excellent comments by

Wow, excellent comments by John Albanese!!!

Tim, I'd say Albanese &

Tim, I'd say Albanese & others just exposed you to be the lying fraud that you are!

Instead of playing the fool with 9/11 truthers, why don't you obey your Bush Füehrer & go to Iraq & murder more women & children, you disingenuous asshole.

cointelpro is getting

cointelpro is getting scared.

Hey Tim, Congrat, there's 1

Hey Tim,

Congrat, there's 1 million bucks for you right there:

http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm

Lucky idiot!

All this time spent arguing

All this time spent arguing with some willfully ignorant preteen would be better spent keeping the pressure on the mainstream media in regards to the Zogby poll, the Pentagon videos, etc. etc. Keep your eyes on the prize, as they say.

Tim: Who's paying your way

Tim:

Who's paying your way to Chicago?

No matter, you're on a fool's errand.

If you think that it is irrelevant that the so-called mastermind of the biggest crime of the millennium hasn't been indicted, then you are a fool...

In re: the debate about the falling towers, please take it up with Sir Isaac Newton. If you can out-debate him, please provide an url.

If the source of the post-9/11 anthrax can be traced back to 12 known individuals in the US bio-warfarfe program, how is it that we don't have an investigation?

Would you please explain why Jeb Bush was personally involved in a cover-up raid of Huffman Aviation immediately following 9/11?

Would you provide an explanation as to why the testimony of Bush and Cheneey before the 9/11 Commission had to be cleared by the WHite House before it could be released, and why no one was allowed to record or take notes? How is this relevant, you ask? Can you explain the actions and behaviors and where-abouts of George Bush and Dick Cheney between 7:30 AM and 11:30 AM that morning? What was Mrs. Cheney doing in the bunker? What clearance or role allows her that presence? Can you explain how the Secret Service had information about the hijackings at 7:30 AM that morning? Can you document the whereabouts and actions of Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz that morning? Can you explain why the NRO office was evacuated in the middle of an attack? Would you please provide some background on the role, whereabouts and actions of national experts in cyber-security that morning? How is that communications was jammed with Air Force One? What is the source for the information that "Angel" was the target of an attack? Can you explain how combat aircraft that could have been towed across the bridge over the Potomac in time didn't arrive on scene for over an hour? Why is Edmonds gagged, and how come neither she nor her lawyer could be present at the time that decision was handed down? How is it that the same judge is the one who will preside in the Plamegate event? How is it that the chief of the appeals court that ruled on WTC insurance claims was related to Bush? How is it that 19 Al-Qaeda hijackers could totally confuse NORAD and the FAA? Where is the documentation that provides the sourcing of airplane parts recovered in multiple crash sites? How is it that the medical examiner who showed up at Shanksville said there was nothing for him to do?

Nope... nothing to see here... just move along.

Tim isnt even going to

Tim isnt even going to attempt to answer any of those questions Mssr. he doesnt get paid to think, people like him tend to stick to the same basic script.

Chicago truth preview

Chicago truth preview

911poller: what makes him a

911poller:

what makes him a moron?

Oh Geez, now tim's

Oh Geez, now tim's supervisor is here, 911Troller!

Going to teach the young fellow the right way to play devil's advocate & break balls?

Tim is a slapdick. Truthers

Tim is a slapdick. Truthers ignore him and hell go shove carrots up his ass instead. Its one thing to debate issues with curious folks who are sincere and have honest argument points. Cant you see through Tim? Its like talking to the wall. Its not possible to look at the case for 911 being an inside job and at lease come to the conclusion there are some very serious problems that need a truely independent investigation. Just look at Steven Jones appearance on Tucker Carlson. Why did they refuse to show America the collapse of WTC7 when they had the clip and were repeatedly challenged by Jones? Why did he pretend they were looking at the collapse when it was just a picture of WTC7 that wasnt even from 911? I could go on all nite but Tim is not interested in the truth.

I've read through this

I've read through this entire thread. It's pretty clear to me that tim is just saying to you that you haven't made an adequate case. Yo, that's just what 99.99999% of the world is saying. The way some of you are reacting is as if he is some sort of heretic.

Loosen up. Don't take yourselves so seriously.

"Its like talking to the wall. Its not possible to look at the case for 911 being an inside job and at lease come to the conclusion there are some very serious problems that need a truely independent investigation."

"Why did they refuse to show America the collapse of WTC7 when they had the clip and were repeatedly challenged by Jones?"

You are going to have to realize one day that the rest of the world thinks you are a bunch of bozos who can't see past your noses, even though I know that's not true, but that's the reality.

You THINK you know what's going on but you really don't. You think that if ONLY the rest of the world saw the light....

You put on a huge show today in your reactions to tim but tim is the real world that you are all having a hard time dealing with. I would guess that you know you have a weak case but are determined to press it. I don't think you posess all of the necessary knowledge to know that you have a hugely weak case.

"what makes him a

"what makes him a moron?"

Maybe the real question is WHY is he perceived as one?

911Troller - Dont go away

911Troller - Dont go away mad.... Just go away!!!!!

"You THINK you know what's going on but you really don't. You think that if ONLY the rest of the world saw the light...."

Maybe you should do some research on the recent polls???????

They show that you are now in the MINORITY. The MAJORITY of the people believe that the government was complicant or played a roll in 911.

What's wrong with these agents???? I wish the government would hire some new people, the old ones are getting OLD!

They must have psychologists

They must have psychologists working for them too. These guys are okay at what they do. The trolling, I mean.

Tim kept you guys occupied for a while and 911poller swooped in for the kill. I know I didn't read any of it, but oh well, I'm sure you all had fun with it.

It's interesting that

It's interesting that despite all these years you haven't produced anything.
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:59 pm | #

The first time I saw you on this blog was this week.

Who are you to say we haven't produced anything? Have you even read any of the other blog entries? You're right, the whole case will not be proven in this one blog entry.

I think you can all just

I think you can all just about give up.

The USA is beyond redemption. ITs soooo corrupt that only a general redistribution of power and wealth can fix it. Barring that you will all have to suffer the slow and painful decline until the very last Christian-pro-Gun-Nut gets the message of lies in a puddle of blood.

Even the GDR had more scrouples...

"I think you can all just

"I think you can all just about give up.
u2r2h | 06.02.06 - 11:29 pm |"

Maybe!

I believe that it may come down to a new civil war! I am frankly tired of people PISSING on the Constitution because of their freeking Religious beliefs.

I am ready to put my military experience to the task for a Civil War and I will lay my life down for my country. I have taken a oath to defend the CONSTITION agains foreign and DOMESTIC enemies and I will.

I would take on the President if I have too! Since he's a panzi, I know I would win (as long as Laura Bush was not in his battle, shes tougher than him :))

911 Pollmuncher-those were

911 Pollmuncher-those were great points! One question of hundreds I have. After both the North and South Tower were struck if the buildings were in such bad shape why didnt the North Tower show any reaction to the South Tower collapseing rite next to it? Answer and I will ask another. Where did you get your 99.9% information? CSPAN cant even talk about the subject anymore without getting confronted on the live lines by the majority being skeptics.

" It's interesting that

" It's interesting that despite all these years you haven't produced anything."

That's because the primary suspect in the biggest crime of all time, destroyed all of the evidense! (against federal law, no less...)

It would be great to see the 50+ tapes confiscated moments after the plane hit the pentagon. It would be great if you could explain molten metal in the basements of all wtc buildings 6 weeks after they were imploded. It would be great if you could explain wtf happened to flight 93 after it disappeared into a 10x20 ft hole? It would be great if you could explain Norman Manetta's testimony that said Penis Cheney was in bunker at 9:20 AM, and at 9:30 AM Penis Head was confronted by an AF Lt. asking him if the 'order still stood' in an animated fashion. You can watch the fucking video yourself, ass wipe. You can watch the video of wtc7 being demolished with explosives at 5:20 pm. And... for the record, I am a veteran, my grandfather & my father retired from federal service as gs15...

Tim, you are a revolting, closed minded shill, and have no business on these forums.

>I'd be happy to meet you in

>I'd be happy to meet you in Chicago tomorrow. There will be a demonstration of people who'll handing out flyers showing the silliness of the speakers and 9/11. We will be wearing tin foil hats. Just ask for Tim "The Man".
tim | 06.02.06 - 4:16 pm | #

Tim is in bad faith, so I wouldn't elevate his POV by taking it seriously. Especially because he's a blatant provacateur who doesn't make sense. No need to argue with someone who doesn't make sense. He's a tar baby.

Look above: He make the mistakes of Bush. Mis-speaking, but having the truth of his own opinions nevertheless emerge. Saying he will be outside the Chicago conference telling people about the "silliness [] of 9/11." He also says he will be wearing a tin foil hat! No doubt.

"People who avoid facing facts are bounded by phantoms."

The truth slips out from his finger tips, since it pulsates and frightens him like the heart beneath the floorboards [of the story "A Telltale Heart"]. The truth frightens the guilty and calls out for justice. So Tim can't help it, and the truth slips out. He can't help himself from telling the truth...like Bush many times, (saying once that the evil doers stay up nights thinking of ways to hurt America "and so do we." Like Rumsfeld, when he spoke about United Flt. 93 being "shot down," like Cheney, when he said the Administration never said Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11.)

Once we are more confident and less needing to bow to the opinion of authority, and less needing to take seriously the retarded ignorance of those who do not think, but only mouth the party line - people like Tim will cease to engage us. His job is not to actually talk with us, but it is to get under our skin. It surprises me that he, for the most part, with rare exceptions, succeeds.

He and his ilk are obviously murderous, or at least working for the murderous. So why speak to him as if he is in good faith? That's his job, to get us tired out and to drive us emotionally thin.

Agreed...just ignore the

Agreed...just ignore the f*ing idiot.

Quote above lifted from

Quote above lifted from Larry Burk, MD on this page:

http://911truth.org/911rtt/events-details.html

Tim. Everyone in our country

Tim. Everyone in our country being told by Bush "you are with us or you are with the terrorists" has somehow had a negative impact on people feeling FREE to stand up for the truth. It seems anthrax letters that were mailed to both members of Congress and media didnt help matters either. We were also told we would lose our liberty. Seems alot of people put the safety of their family and themselves first. Ask Kevin Ryan from UL who lost his job for writeing one letter questioning the official story in a letter that went public. I would look at the Scholars For 911 Truth website for a list of qualified professionals risking their jobs and lives to speak the truth. It doesnt take anything more than a grammer school education to connect the dots on this one. Once the truth is learned it cannot be unlearned. Everyday more people are wakeing up and you and your kind will be outnumbered. Its interesting in the recent Zogby poll 43% said they feel the mass media has done a good job reporting on the events of 911. Just so happens 43% dont even know what WTC7 was and has never seen the "collapse". Just another crazy coincedence I guess. Im done feeding trolls. Tim enjoy your life. You have nothing to be proud of defending Nazis who dont give a fuck about you or your future.

this will help you all here

this will help you all here see the error of your ways:

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/05/19/askthepilot186/print.html

Anonymous. Thank you so

Anonymous. Thank you so nuch! That article cleared up everything for me! dz can shut the site down now and we can all go back to watching baseball instead. That was brilliant!

Damn! Its hard to ignore

Damn! Its hard to ignore trolls I guess. I need to stay out of this comment section. What a waste of time argueing with slapdicks. Good day.

Why is it people like Tim

Why is it people like Tim and 911Poller only focus on arguing over WTC theories and Pentagon theories? OH! That's right, because they know they cant argue against the fact people in our government at the very least knew and allowed 9/11 to happen, and covered up Pakistani ISI involvement. There's not one thing they can say to refute this and try and claim "incompetence".

911Poller, I agree. Very few

911Poller, I agree. Very few people believe they saw the Twin Towers demolished with explosives, although that's exactly what they saw.

"Anonymous. Thank you so

"Anonymous. Thank you so nuch! That article cleared up everything for me! dz can shut the site down now and we can all go back to watching baseball instead. That was brilliant!"

Thank you. Glad to help. Everyone I know told me this site was full of silly conspiracy theories.

Did you ever see such looniness in your life?

Randi Rhodes interviewed a

Randi Rhodes interviewed a female Captain just back from Iraq. She thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It looks like we still have much work to do.

Strategy in Chicago Running

Strategy in Chicago Running Out of Time

The Strategy Track at the 9/11 Revealing The Truth Conference in Chicago on Saturday has yet to provide a syllable of strategy at any of the sessions I have attended. It is difficult to fully convey my disappointment and sadness about this situation.

It will surprise no one that Dr. Steven Jones was able to provide a well thought out strategic plan as a keynote speaker Friday night. His plan includes truth, caring for others, resolve, and resourcefulness in addition to stockpiling food, water, and solar oven cooking. Oh yes, don't forget to procure a pocket knife.

Rick Siegel showed his new version of 9/11 Eyewitness. It was excellent again. Until he started talking about nuclear detonations at the twin towers without any supporting evidence. WTF? Perhaps he is trying to prod Dr. Jones into even more spectacular research tests at BYU.

Randi Rhodes interviewed a

Randi Rhodes interviewed a female Captain just back from Iraq. She thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It looks like we still have much work to do.
maddog | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 7:18 pm | #
Randi didnt let that stand did she? i would hope not.

"Quote above lifted from

"Quote above lifted from Larry Burk, MD on this page:

"http://911truth.org/911rtt/event...ts- details.html"

Did you fall for the quote, benthere, or did you recognize the fallacious nature of it?

" 911Poller, I agree. Very

" 911Poller, I agree. Very few people believe they saw the Twin Towers demolished with explosives, although that's exactly what they saw."

So you fell for what I quoted. That's exactly what Larry Burk is counting on, Jeremy A.

Structural engineers know how the buildings fell and no one has produced any evidence of explosives.

I am not surprised by

I am not surprised by Alphonse's response.

Do you think those attending will begin to ask questions of the speakers?