Ive seen at least three videos of most the hijackers on 9/11 passing thru the metal detectors. Ive seen video of some of the hijackers training in al Qaeda camps with maps of new york. Ive seen video wills of the hijackers. I have no doubt Arab extremists were used as patsys to initially hijack the planes.

Saying there was no Arabs or real planes is total BS. Look at who the so called mastermind KSM is, and the two funders, Omar Saaed and General Ahmad: Pakistani ISI, with close ties to the CIA.

And I was wrong about the 2004 election. Im always willing to reexamine new evidence and go to where the evidence shows.

the Pentagon still remains an anomaly. I cant answer why you have clear 757 parts inside, but hardly any of the plane itself nor cinged grass nor any video that shows anything but a small white drone or missle. I cant explain that, you are correct.

Off Topic, BBC main evening news about to report on the THOUSANDS of troops deserting because of the war.

dont get me wrong, Gore is still a politician, so hes still a part of the problem, but i agree that 9/11 likely wouldnt have happened on his watch.hence the stolen election.as far as 2004, as much of a blue blood elitist Kerry is, they wanted to stick with the puppet Bush to make sure things stayed the same.hence that stolen election. republicans are indeed worse in my opinion, but thats only because they have always been in bed with big business more than the Dems.if the Dems could sell their souls and steal elections like the Republicans they would do it in a second.and they would still ignore 9/11. Vote Green!

Chris-

Yeah, i mean it had probably been in the works for decades. Their goal was to turn America into a fascist state.

It's working...

I would vote for these 2 to begin with

Cynthia McKinney for president
Dr. Ronald Bowman for minister of defence

...if I could vote in the US ;-)

In Holland we still don't have a (ex)politician or public servant that's on top of the 911 issue.

Yeah, I really like Gore.

However, seeing how disingenuous and evil the Neocons are has really tainted my faith in politicians at all.

Where's an MLK when you need him?

Agreed, Chris. It takes certain types of diabolical psychopaths to pull a 9/11 on your people, and Al Gore is no Dick Cheney nor George Bush.
Anonymous | 06.02.06 - 6:01 pm | #
you should see how the media here treats that great woman. they fear her so much that if she so much as sneezes they jump all over her. the media here is so pissed that she is doing their jobs for them. they had a field day when she shoved a security guard at the Capitol recently. im surprised she still has her job.sadly, many people even in the 9/11 truth movement dont appreciate her so much.the media smear even effects some in the movement.

You still going to claim the 2004 election wasn't stolen Pockey?

In my opinion, I don't think the planning for 9/11 started until - at the earliest - the PNAC crew got together, 'bout 97/98. Maybe it was hatched during or after the writing of "Rebuilding America's Defenses".

Here's some other pointers to that:

Cheney & Rumsfeld are endorsers of that document and members of PNAC. Cheney is chosen (by whom?) to find a VP to run with Bush. Cheney looks around and lo & behold (allegedly) chooses himself as VP.

Then we get to Florida. It is proven that if all the ballots had been counted (the 158,000 that weren't) Gore would've won (read Palast's & Bugliosi's books). The neo-cons couldn't let Bush loose and thus pulled out every stop to get Bush in the White House. During that battle Cheney has 2 or 3 heart attacks. Bush "wins" by several hundred votes.

They were desperate, to the point they would've had tanks in the streets, to get into power. Well, they got it. Rumsfeld becomes SecDef. The two most hardcore neo-cons and PNACers are then in place. The plans for 9/11 could go ahead.

Do I have the proof? No, just circumstantial stuff. But I think the truth movement needs to be digging up the evidence about those who conspired and directed the attacks of 9/11. We do have some names in the military and the FBI of some who definitely participated.

What we also need to know is the names of those who made the put & call moves shortly before 9/11. That'll help.

I'd also recommend watching Cover Up by Barbara Trent, which is a primer on the Iran Contra scandal. You can find it at Informationclearinghouse.info.

You still going to claim the 2004 election wasn't stolen Pockey?
Andy White | Homepage | 06.02.06 - 6:25 pm | #
pocky claimed that? i mean damn, he does bash liberals a lot but the evidence is pretty overwhelming........

the stolen election of 2000 was essential to the 9/11 plot in my opinion. why wouldnt they steal 2004 too?

Anon for now:

I think that 9/11 was in the works well before 97/98, but that's just my opinion.

exactly anonymous, we need to know who is really pulling Cheneys strings. who the hell is it?

Tucker Carlson attacking yet another patriot. as far as media puppets go, this guy is one of the worst.

VIDEO - Robert Kennedy Explains 2004 Stolen Election to Tucker Carlson

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002900.htm#comments

i wonder if Keith Olbermann will cover this tonight. hes the closest thing to objective on the big 3 cable news channels.(which is why they force him to cover celebs at least twice a show.they literally force him)remember his show called "The nexus of politics and terror"? it basically showed how most,if not all the terror threats after 9/11 were fake and came at low points for the administration.it was a truly groundbreaking show. he must have woken up quite a few people with that episode.i HIGHLY suggest you look for it online.i know your probably skeptical because its in the mainstream, but it was an amazing show.i wish i would have taped it.

Olbermann & terror alerts at Crooks & Liars

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/12.html#a5345

hell yeah. C&L may fucking suck now, but they are good for something i guess.

best thing I ever got from Crooks & Liars is this:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/gonzales-Washington-electronic.wmv

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/gonzales-Washing.mov

wmv and mov formats

pocky claimed that? i mean damn, he does bash liberals a lot but the evidence is pretty overwhelming........
Chris | Homepage | 06.02.06 - 6:47 pm |

He sure did. Dismissed it in a similar manner to 911pollers tactic. "Your wrong and you wear a tinfoil hat." sort of thing.

those links both just go to the site home.

thats surprising, pocky seems pretty on most of the time.(although i dont agree with him about the Pentagon)

Chris:
copy the WMV URL and paste it in MEDIA PLAYER FILE>>OPEN URL

Bored this weekend? Can't go to Chicago?

Well, here's a little project to keep you focused. Read this:

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

and then assemble some facts, links, support, etc. to counter. There is an e-mail link within through which you can forward such information.

I haven't reviewed it in depth, but I did see one gaping little hole... He doesn't understand that the pilot of the plane Flight 77, although he DID resign his commission as a Top Gun graduate Naval pilot to take a job as a commercial pilot, ALSO re-upped as a Reservist at the time of Desert Storm and was assigned to an Undersecretary of Defense working in the Pentagon office that got destroyed. He is also on record in testimony before the FAA that he understood his commercial aircraft to be a potential weapon or missile if flown into buildings.

oops. thanks

i think MSNBC has put a muzzle on Olbermann. his show used to be the only thing worth watching on cable news. now its mostly celebs and bullshit.figures.

tax
Election 2004 stolen?
And you are watching TV?

One thing is clear, you americans
can take shit in copious amonuts!

Imagine how easy it is to have elections!

Why even having to REGISTER?

You just create a long encrypted number that has the information
YES THIS PERSON MAY VOTE encoded.

Then you post it to the people
and they vote my mobile-phone or web. Swapping of phones is encouraged!

Enter the same number again and you can see what you votes.
Post this number to any number of
VOTE-WATCHERS, and they can see what
you voted for, too.

After the election the KEY is published and the VOTE-WATCHERS can
double check whos vote was counted.

"Well, here's a little project to keep you focused. Read this:

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/ Loo...hangeGuide.html
Mssr. Jouet (Magmak1) | 06.02.06 - 8:54 pm |"

Note that his answers are without any notation. My answers, original ones precede > and my answers contain ***

I would not bother with this bozo. I wrote to him and had several emails back and for with him. Here are some of the comments that he made to my comments.

> "The drone would pick up the scheduled flight plan and over Cuban waters
> transmit a "mayday signal" before being blown up by remote control.
> Note that no one was to be killed in the fake plane scheme. (Thanks CurtC.)
> We know about this idea because the document has been declassified. The idea
> was rejected, of course."
>
> The point was to show that our government thinks about it and even wrote it
> down as a plan. This shows intent.... Just like a person buying a gun 6
> months before he plans to kill his wife but is caught before he actually
> does it. He can be prosecuted for the fact that he intended (Intent) to
> perform the murder with the gun he purchased. This was the point in
> pointing out Northwoods.

My points were these:
1) The scheme was summarily rejected
2) It did not call for the murder of thousands of Americans
3) No one has shown any connection between it and 9/11
4) It's a distraction from a deception that REALLY HAPPENED, and
that is thousands of times more serious: our involvement in Iraq.

*** So you don't even make that point in your document and people are suppose to realize this how???? Besides, I consider this worse because this was what allowed all the events that followed to happen. Without 9/11 we probably would have never gotten to Iraq.
1) Yes, because back then our government had much more morals than today.
2) Do you not think that modifications can be made to a plan??? You think that if the SEALS have a plan that no matter what they follow that plan if something goes wrong?
3) It's not meant to show a connection, AS I POINTED OUT IN MY ORIGINAL EMAIL!
4) Why because it shows that the government THINKS about it, and even writes plans like this down? ***

> "Global Hawk? Three minutes and twelve seconds and nothing you have said has
> had any demonstrable connection to 9/11."
>
> It shows that the technology is available to remotely control aircraft. It
> shows that this is one method that could have led to the control
> of the planes.
I for one doubt that 19 highjackers could take over 4 planes with
> box cutters, especially when most of the pilots were former air force
> pilots

Please provide any evidence that the planes were remote-controlled.
I'm not interested at in all in your beliefs. I'm interested in
what new evidence you have. We know that the terrorists trained to
fly airliners. We know they boarded the planes. We know they took
over the planes. If you have evidence that this didn't happen,
please provide it. If you have evidence that the planes were drones
with or without passengers, please provide it. If you have evidence
that passengers did not board the 4 flights in question, did not
make emergency calls from those flights, did not die, and that
their remains were not identified, please provide it.

*** Once again! It shows that the possibility is there! Do you have proof that the planes used that day were the planes in question, or that they were NOT flown by remote control? Where's the NTSB report that identifies that parts found by serial number with the traceable FAA list for those planes. So you see, even you can't prove what you say. Prove that those planes were in fact the ones in question. PROVE IT! See how this can be played? ***

> Given that all 4 of the planes that were involved were only 1/4
> full. Though this may happen from time to time, it does not happen with
> that many planes heading in similar directions on the same day. Generally,
> the airlines would put them on another flight.

Please provide evidence that this is so, or that there was ANYTHING
untoward in how the normal passenger reservations were made for
those flights.

*** The passenger list is on the web, just look it up! Even the governments account indicates this. GEESE! Now please provide evidence to counter my claim and show that the plane was in fact full and that this was only a fluke. ***

> It was bombed by Islamic terrorists in 1993. The terrorists were trying
> to knock the north tower into the south, killing tens of thousands of
> people. They did a lot of damage, but “only” six people died, and the
> cyanide gas that had been packed with the bomb was incinerated by the
> explosion."
>
> Perhaps you should do some more research. This bombing was with complete
> knowledge and assistance from the FBI and CIA.
>
> In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, an
> Egyptian man named Emad A. Salem, a former Egyptian army officer. Salem
> claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as
> February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly
> pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects.
>
> Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed
> that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a
> harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that
> the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead. [1] He secretly
> recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers,
> made during discussions held after the bombings. They are currently in
> possession of the FBI.
>
> In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI's New York Office,
> denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

Please provide evidence of government complicity in the 1993
bombing. Not speculation: evidence.

*** Did you not read???? Have you even done ANY research???
> In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, an
> Egyptian man named Emad A. Salem, a former Egyptian army officer. Salem
> claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as
> February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly
> pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects.
>
> Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed
> that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a
> harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that
> the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead. [1] He secretly
> recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers,
> made during discussions held after the bombings. They are currently in
> possession of the FBI.
>
> In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI's New York Office,
> denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing
***