New Videos Tomorrow Night - Open Thread
dz Wed, 06/07/2006 - 6:36am
Just ran into some issues that will push the two videos I was working on back until tomorrow. Until then be sure to check out the grab bag below (here) as there is some new media there to keep you busy.
The videos we will be posting tomorrow night include Morgan Reynolds and Ken Jenkins from the Chicago conference, and a bootleg video of Morgan Reynolds 'Was America Bush-Whacked?' presented at a Mujca event in Madison last month. Oh, and I will try my best to get up a summary of Steven Jones' keynote speech as well, but no promises on that.
- Login to post comments
So .. let me get this
So .. let me get this right.
There is a country where the rulers
staged a bloodbath.
people were shocked
All the people in this country were told that the heinous killers were
inspired by another religion.
people believed it
The rulers tortured the others and bombed them, tore their limbs off and poisoned them.
people went along with it
finally the rulers were found out
and it became clear that they were
criminals .. big gangsters...
people did not take notice
WHAT WILL BE NEXT?
Heads up for those keeping
Heads up for those keeping track
from st911.org...
7 June 2006
Lecture: "The WTC Towers as Bio-inspired Structures", by Judy Wood, Ph.D., and M. Tedder, D. Smith, G. Lozano, Clemson University
1:00 PM/CT, Annual Conference of the Society for Experimental Mechanics, AdamÂ’s Mark Hotel, St. Louis, MO
http://www.sem.org/CONF-AC-TOP.asp
http://www.sem.org/app-conf-AC-list1.asp
Here are some multiple
Here are some multiple simultaneous explosions in WTC1 which occurred between the 8:46 hole-in-the-wall and the near-free-fall more than an hour later. In fact, they occurred precisely at 9:03, as evidenced by the WTC2 fireball which coincidentally erupted within a second of these mystery explosions, video of which was recorded and aired once on 9/11 by NBC, and recorded by me.
BTW, the word "explosions" does not appear anywhere in the 9-11 Commission Report.
_______________________________________
has anyone seen this yet?
has anyone seen this yet? read this!
9/11 Whistleblower Richard Andrew Grove (Transcript)
_______________-
WE WANT ALEX JONES
WE WANT ALEX JONES
nice catch dhs
nice catch dhs
Here's more crap from Skunky
Here's more crap from Skunky King:
S. King said... This pretty much covers it: http://www.rapidresponsereport.com/briefingpapers/Conspiracies68.pdf
Excerpted from this: conspiracy theories
V. Characteristics of Conspiracy Theories
1. They are often seen as invincible, irresistible, super efficient, and
sinister. A vast super-secret centrally directed, fabulously well-funded
conspiracy with tentacles everywhere– a virtually omnipotent and
omniscient force.
2. The insiders, those at the top, often employ super technology not known
on the street.
3. They have power to control everyone whether they are aware of it or
not. They always win. Most conspiracists believe both political parties
are controlled by the insiders, therefore, whoever wins is their man (or
woman).
4. If a belief is widely accepted it is automatically ruled as false, and
if any evidence is presented against the theory it is seen as proof
positive as to how clever it is. Only a few really know the truth; those
on the inside and those brilliant enough to figure out who is really
running things. Therefore, whatever the establishment spurns as false must
be true. The fact that the Warren Commission concluded that JFKÂ’s death
was not a conspiracy makes it certain.
6. Conspiracy theories are often presented with staggering amounts of
documentation and charts. The sheer amount of facts and data are suppose
to convince you of its truthfulness. Often there is incestuous quoting.
Imagine a conference of conspiracy theorists. They all quote each other.
VI. The Psychology of Conspiracy Theorists
1. There is inordinate paranoia about government cover ups and secret
operations. Nothing is as it seems. The official explanation is never the
truth. And of course, sometimes there are government cover-ups, but we
need real whistle-blowers to know the truth.
2. A conspiracist sees all of life as explainable by conspiracy, i.e., the
conspiracy theory of history. Today this describes a large population of
the Middle East, and multitudes in old Europe and the U.S.
3. Those who donÂ’t believe in their elaborate conspiracies are considered
dupes, the gullible hoi polloi.
4. Ironically, those who make a career out of writing and lecturing about
how they discovered the machinations of a conspiracy are somewhat elitists
themselves, and manipulate audiences by peddling fear. Interestingly
enough we only need to look at the recent Y2K scare for an example. Many
of these same people were also conspiracy theorists.
5. With the use of ad hoc hypothesis it is almost impossible to reason
with them. In other words, for every objection one raises, they have an
instant answer. There is never a possibility for falsification.
6. They engage in endless revision of history. One of the most troubling
examples is those who deny the holocaust.
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=25239004&postID=114959
"Where did they post that
"Where did they post that stuff, on a blog where exposed shills console each other?"
Here: http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/
I watched "The Colbert
I watched "The Colbert Report" tonight and noticed that the American Express Card displayed on the screen had "Michael Berger" as the name. I thought that was funny.
I hope the new video is not
I hope the new video is not *.mov files cause I used everything including VLC player and I can't hear it. :(
James Ha... I've read the
James Ha...
I've read the transcript based on the interview with Grove. FOr some reasons, I'm afraid it might be too good to be true...
But I wonder if you or anyone know if this person is legit or not?
I want Alex ! :)
I want Alex ! :)
Look, it's our old friend
Look, it's our old friend 911poller lamenting his failed attempts at truth spreading:
"I was banned this morning from 911blogger.com. It was for asking if any of those poor souls who went to Chicago had the insight to question the speakers on their assertions. Question the "questioners" of 9/11 is a simple concept and necessary.
Apparently I hit them all in the solar plexus with that question. I was promptly banned for questioning 911blogger.com's "offical revisionism" and all of my posts from this morning were erased.
I have never seen a group of people old enough to know better deliberately isolate themselves from facts and reality as those characters at 911blogger.com. It boggles the mind that there are educated human beings who are so stupid by choice, who cannot reason by themselves, and refuse an education to help them out of their delusional state.
They even think the NYT's article on their yahoo convention in Chicago was positive for them! Talk about supreme denial of reality.
I did my part to promote truth, reason, and reality there and they could not stand the thought of being rational. They delight in mysticism, conspiracies, and irrationality.
But the day they realize that they have been taken in by charlatans they worship so fervently like Steven Jones, Jim Fetzer, and Morgan Reynolds, there will be a riot. But it might be too late for 911bloggers; they will have to plead for mercy to be accepted back into the real world."
Gee, tell us how you really feally feel.
bah, he was banned for
bah,
he was banned for talking down to others, questioning everyone while offering no reasonable discussion, only personal opinions (with a helpful handful of holier than thou approach).
if he isnt the same person as 911truther, or s.king, then they sure do all read the same exact handbook, and all use the same ISP.
i'd like to say good riddance, but dont you worry, he/they will be back with the same shill crap as usual.. heaven forbid we actually spark public discussion and a real desire to find out what exactly our administration knew and did or didn't do.
As for Richard Grove: I
As for Richard Grove:
I talked alot with him at the conference and I sat in on a conversation between him and Webster Tarpley.
He has some very interesting information about the role of KRull, AIG and other companies and how they profitted from / were involved in 911.
He's a very nice guy and he encouraged everyone do their own research to validate the basis of his claims. At the very least he was dedicated eneogh to drive 15 hours to the confrence.
He has a lot more information and evidence than what was included in that transcript.
He'll be on the Meria Keller show on June 12, and later on Tarpley's program. I also remain in contact with him and will provide more detailed information when I speak with him later this week.
all i could find from
all i could find from 911poller from yesterday:
There is nothing bogus about reality. You exist, don't you?
Now how would you interpret it?
In what way, in your opinion?
Are you speechless,anonymous?
There's no evidence of the towers being demolished by explosives but a lot of people are hoping to find something to validate their political desires.
Did you note the guy in Chicago trying to sell the idea that you were all deluded by your own senses?
You guys really need to learn to not to be taken in by these 9/11 hoaxers.
Don't stop trying, however. Who knows, you might come up with real evidence.
*barf*
I did my part to promote truth, reason, and reality there and they could not stand the thought of being rational.
*barf*
all he does is ask questions to try to waste time, and try to provoke a response via his statements of 'no evidence'.. luckily i think people here are realizing that.
9/11 Widows Respond To
9/11 Widows Respond To Coulter's "Slander"
They had the perfect
They had the perfect opportunity to break this wide open, and they didn't. Instead, they made recommendations based on the idea that the "terrorist attacks" took place as we were told, and that is simply not the case. They should have at the very least made a statement for a new investigation. One that would give us a CLEAR understanding as to what needs to happen to make sure that we are not "attacked" again.
I respect, and will support you girls until the day I die, but you really piss me off sometimes.
The sick inside joke is on
The sick inside joke is on us:
What we saw on TV was a snuff film made by evil men. How could two large wide-bodied aluminum jetliners penetrate massive steel towers and disappear with no deceleration visible, no plane wreckage visible in gashes and none knocked to the ground below the impact zone?
http://www.911hoax.com/Morgan_Reynolds_911_Hoax.html
The Soldier Disguised As A Fireman
http://www.911foreknowledge.com/soldier.htm
THE FOUR RIDERS OF THE 9-11 APOCALYPSE
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/Grossmann/Four%20Horsemen/066%20Four%...
Thanks, Radical. It's pretty
Thanks, Radical. It's pretty amazing how one guy can hold so many information. I believe most of what he's said because he had worked inside the field.
9/11 widows need to open their eyes to the fact that the security preceding and on 9/11 WAS designed to fail to make the terror attack to occur.
Marvin Bush, brother of the
Marvin Bush, brother of the president received a controversial 327 million dollar contract from the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq.
http://www.dailynewstribune.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=73278
A company that provided security at the World Trade Center, Washington D.C.'s Dulles International Airport and United Airlines between 1995 and 2001 was backed by a private Kuwaiti-American investment firm whose records were not open to full public disclosure, with ties to the Bush family.
http://www.populist.com/03.02.burns.html
Jon, You were going to meet
Jon, You were going to meet with Weldon.
Have you done that yet? If so, what was the outcome?
Sorry, "Jon" should have
Sorry, "Jon" should have been "John".
:(
The 9/11 soft drinks Coke -
The 9/11 soft drinks
Coke - Warren E. Buffett
http://killtown.911review.org/buffett.html
Pepsi - Thomas H. Kean
http://www.pbg.com/investor/2004_Annual/directors.html
7UP- THE CARLYLE GROUP
http://www.cadburyschweppes.com/EN/MediaCentre/PressReleases/Cs_acquire_...
" Sorry, "Jon" should have
" Sorry, "Jon" should have been "John".
RemoveBush | 06.07.06 - 10:58 am |"
Damn.....
I had it right the first time.
Sorry, getting side tracked at work.
Need to get back to work..... :)
I meet with Weldon on the
I meet with Weldon on the 28th of June.
Hey Jon, i've been thinking
Hey Jon, i've been thinking about this Tonya situation.Don't know much about these guys or where tonya lives but. Maybe this will help.
http://www.guardianangels.org/
I meet with Weldon on the
I meet with Weldon on the 28th of June.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 11:00 am | #
Way to go man !
Guys, what is your opinion
Guys, what is your opinion on the Wikipedia fight. Is it worth the time and energy fighting this uphill battle with all those morons who are probably even paid to spin so many articles judging by their lightspeed fast response 24/7.. ?
In a way it gives a sane person hint that if such biased morons have to guard the articles - the official gov. version can not be true.
forget Wikipedia. It
forget Wikipedia. It provides by definition the "mainstream"/official information on everything.
Much more important is the upcoming election etc. I've found most candidates "in the know" are running away from any 9/11 questions. This must stop. The recent letter to Rumsfeld challenging him about Flight77 "yes or no" was good. I want all those "reputable" Republicans&Dems to go on record what they believe about 9/11. Like Newt Gingrich (see my failed attempts at newt.org) and John McCain: let them state publicly that 9/11 was not a cover-up, that they believe Osama is responsible. I want it documented black on white.
P.S: i guess once you
P.S: i guess once you challenge these people, the response might be quite like the FBI: "well, err, actually no hard evidence to link Osama to 9/11..."
"Hey Jon, i've been thinking
"Hey Jon, i've been thinking about this Tonya situation.Don't know much about these guys or where tonya lives but. Maybe this will help."
It was a different situation than I thought. She wasn't being harassed, she was being asked out. The mailbox is a different story that may very well have been a coincidence. I misunderstood because she called me balling her eyes out, telling me she was freaked out. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.
Note: I've bumped this up
Note: I've bumped this up from the previous thread:
"The unbelievable Betty Ong call sounds like a drill. She calmly says people "have been stabbed," or "are stabbed" with no mention of who did the stabbing. It sounds like a prepared hijack scenario, where she was told she was participating in a drill, and the "situation" is that people have been stabbed. She probably believed - as did the other non-screaming people behind her - that it was all a drill and that they would land safely in a while.
James | 06.07.06 - 4:15 am | # "
James, I think you may be onto something very big! It does indeed sound like they got hold of a recording of Ms. Ong doing some practice drill, and they edited/modified it to suit their 9/11 scenario!
I don't believe a skilled, articulate flight attendant like Ong would have called a “reservations desk” in NC during an emergency. The ploy of phoning Ong’s recording to the “reservations desk” also created an extra layer of confusion, or safety filter, and gave the 9/11 Commission some innocuous verbiage to release.
PS: IÂ’m going to bump this up to the next thread.
Anonymous | 06.07.06 - 11:38 am | #
911blimp, thanks for that
911blimp, thanks for that video. Here's a clearer corresponding view from northwest, apparently showing the same events;
[Quicktime video]
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/demolitions_more_evidence.htm
[or clean .avi version]
http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/wtc2-strike-2.avi
Amanda Reconwith: Do you
Amanda Reconwith:
Do you know my buddy Ray Ubinger from 911Foreknowledge?
I don't agree with him on everything, but he's about the only person around here I can talk to about 9/11, and I know he's friends with Nico, Webfairy, and Gerard Holmgren.
Glad she's OK Jon. I was
Glad she's OK Jon. I was just concerned.
Perhaps an upside-down flag
Perhaps an upside-down flag should become the official symbol of the 9/11 truth movement! Isn't it a dire emergency when the gov't commits mass murder against its own people & promises there's more to come???
"Glad she's OK Jon. I was
"Glad she's OK Jon. I was just concerned."
I was terrified that something might have happened. I wish she would have told me sooner. Anyway, time to move on...
No problem Jon, you did the
No problem Jon, you did the right thing anyway.
No stop pressuring women to date you!
;-)
FrankV, I've seen that same
FrankV, I've seen that same North Tower video you posted^. Later on in the video, about 9 seconds before the North North tower begins to collapse, the camera tripod shakes just like it did about 9 seconds after the 2nd plane hit the south tower. (And it was not windy that day.)
Here is an update on the
Here is an update on the Chicago conference from Carol's blog. http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html#UP
Alex Joines is hosting
Alex Joines is hosting professor Steven Jones today to talk about his recent findings about the steel samples which he obtainedand.
His findings are quite fascinating. It wasn't just ordinary thermite but thermite specifically designed for cutter charges that was used.
It would be incredible if this information reached MSM but I know this is only wishful thinking.
Here's Alex Jones' report on
Here's Alex Jones' report on the Chicago conference:
Mixed Media Reaction To Chicago Conference Shows Progress (by Paul Joseph Watson of Prison Planet.com)
The Betty Ong scenario is
The Betty Ong scenario is standard for intel pre-ops. A similar situation occurred in London's tube bombings.
You tell your newly-recruited low-level op that he is to participate in a bombing drill, to test law authority response. Not only is he to act as a terrorist suicide bomber on 7/7 (with a dummy ordnance), he is to help test the cognitive recall of the police and transportation officials. He is to make a typical Islamist suicide video, spewing all the standard Islamist rhetoric, so that it can be shown to police after the op, to see if they can recognize him from the bomb exercise in the tubes the previous day.
When he is eliminated with live ordnance on 7/7, you have your pre-fab "suicide video", wherein he proclaims his previously unknown allegiance to Allah and a-Qaeda.
Case closed.
The Highpoints and Plateaus
The Highpoints and Plateaus of the June 2-4, 2006 Chicago Conference reviewed by Carol Brouillet
audio: MP3 at 11.4 mebibytes
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/10108.php
"Anonymous | 06.07.06 - 12:12 pm |",
Just to clarify, my links were not to the "camera shake" video (as seen in Loose Change2), but another video of the same moment as 911blimp's, from another angle, and clearly showing the same coincident-in-time "event"; apparent explosions of some sort in the entire upper floors of the North Tower just as the South Tower is hit.
"No problem Jon, you did the
"No problem Jon, you did the right thing anyway.
Now stop pressuring women to date you!"
That boat sailed long before I had the chance to board. And I don't pressure women into dating me. I generally club them over the head, and drag them back to my cave.
"Jun 7, 2006 (AP)— A
"Jun 7, 2006 (AP)— A former Republican congressman narrowly beat his Democratic rival early Wednesday for the right to fill the House seat once held by imprisoned Randy "Duke" Cunningham, a race closely watched as a possible early barometer of next fall's vote.
Republican Brian Bilbray emerged victorious after a costly and contentious race against Democrat Francine Busby, a local school board member who ran against Cunningham in 2004.
With 90 percent of precincts reporting, Bilbray had 56,016 votes or 49.5 percent. Busby trailed with 51,202 votes or 45 percent. "I think that we're going back to Washington," Bilbray told a cheering crowd of supporters.
The race one of dozens of election contests in eight states was viewed by Democrats as an opportunity to capture a solidly Republican district and build momentum on their hopes to capture control of the House."
God help us if this is a barometer for November.
DIEBOLD!!!
DIEBOLD!!!
I would like to encourage
I would like to encourage everyone that posts current links to recent 911 news on any comment thread, to also send them directly to the News contribution link at 911 blogger.
DZ and Some Big Guy , told me they often don't have the time to read or go through all of the comments sections to find new article links, so they can miss alot of what is posted here on the comments.
They would very much appreciate you also send these directly to them with possibly a brief synopsis of the link you are sending.
Good call, didn't know such
Good call, didn't know such a link existed...
You can easily get most
You can easily get most people to believe almost anything over the phone.
To illustrate, here's a prank phone call kids made utilizing cheesy sound bites from a Schwarzenneger film to actually make an ongoing conversation.
(The poor woman doesn't know that's just snippets, of no less???) http://www.ilovewavs.com/comedy/PrankPhone/Prank%20Phone%20Calls%20-%20C...
I would like to encourage
I would like to encourage everyone that posts current links to recent 911 news on any comment thread, to also send them directly to the News contribution link at 911 blogger.
Indeed!
nice to meet you up there Radical Pragmatist, until next time!
"Anonymous | 06.07.06 -
"Anonymous | 06.07.06 - 12:12 pm |",
Just to clarify, my links were not to the "camera shake" video (as seen in Loose Change2), but another video of the same moment as 911blimp's, from another angle, and clearly showing the same coincident-in-time "event"; apparent explosions of some sort in the entire upper floors of the North Tower just as the South Tower is hit.
FrankV | 06.07.06 - 12:55 pm | #
FrankV, I have the same video, (exact same camera, same angle, etc.) as you. It's from a DVD called "WTC the First 24 Hours, Expanded Version" ISBN 0767047818.
Like I said^, in the same video, about 9 seconds before the North tower begins to collapse, the camera tripod shakes just like it did about 9 seconds after the 2nd plane hit the south tower. (And it was not windy that day.)
BTW, this DVD, while short, has some of the best video of the volcanic-like dust & debris everywhere, and a great view taken of the airplane tire lying on the street.
Kean And Hamilton Fear
Kean And Hamilton Fear Monger For Their Fuhrer
I sent the conference audio
I sent the conference audio links to the News feedback. There's actually a whole bunch of conference audios coming in; check main page at
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/?category=&medium=audio
"Anonymous | 06.07.06 - 1:25 pm |", thanks! Same green roofline with the bird sitting right there? Not the other camera-shake video from inside a window? Thanks for the info and ISBN!
Coulter bashes 9/11 widows
Coulter bashes 9/11 widows on cover of NY Daily News: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/covers/
Yes, Frank. And there is
Yes, Frank. And there is crystal-clear video in that DVD. You can prbably buy it on Amazon or Ebay. (Make sure you get the extended version, which unfortunately is still only about 20 minutes long.)
The pleasure was all mine
The pleasure was all mine DZ. (and most of the beers)
I'll keep you up dated on my outreach here, including Richard Grove.
I hope your transition back to the daily grind went smoothly......I'm working my way through "the List" that I told you was probably waiting for me.
If 911 was a good eneogh excuse for Bush to invade two countries and launch a war on terror, you would think that "exposing" 911 would be more than adequate to get out of some home projects.
If only the american people had the steely determination of my wife, we wouldn't be in this mess.
The NYTimes article makes it
The NYTimes article makes it clear that they're current approach is to make us look like a cult or freaky "in-group" that you automatically join if you believe the evidence that 911 was an inside job.
Our commercial culture is all about image and identity, so its natural that they would try this and many in the "Truth" movement are also extremely vulnerable to this 'in crowd' mentality. Its a big obstacle to our 911 questions becoming main stream, and they know it. I've seen this myself when talking to people about 911, they think their joining a club that comes with all kinds of other opinions and attitudes automatically attatched.
Not simply the obvious exposure of a crime of magnifigant proportions perpetrated against the American people and the world.
But with all of its flaws at least they covered it and included some important facts that can lead people to investigate it themselves.
The fact thet they omitted any mention of Robert Bowman or Morgan Reynolds, says volumes!!!
Frank V beat me to it, but
Frank V beat me to it, but there is audio from several presentations from the Chicago 911 Truth Conference now available from the IndyMedia website here.
Click on the radio.indymedia.org link at the top right and then scroll down to find the particular file/s.
Didn't you guys listen to
Didn't you guys listen to the Jones's today? Great stuff
A couple of days ago,
A couple of days ago, someone sent a link in showing top-down demolition done before on other buildings. Anyone know of this link?
Mike Jr. It was GW. It
Mike Jr.
It was GW. It didn't look like top down to me.
As Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
As Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pointed out to me in an interview on my radio program on June 2, the reason the Times chose to bury the lede of their story and instead imply in the headline and first few paragraphs that Bush had legitimately won the 2000 election was because just a month earlier the US had been struck on 9/11 and the Times' publisher didn't want to undermine the president's legitimacy in a time of national crisis.
http://alternet.org/rights/37153/
***
Neither Thom Hartmann nor Robert F. Kennedy get the point- GWB was not elected, delayed the Florida report the whole year 2001, and soon 911 emerges and all that stuff was buried deep, as they stated, to not harm the "great leader". IMO you can add this clearly to the motives for such an attack...
Frank V, That video at
Frank V,
That video at italy.indymedia.org is verrrry interesting. Coincident with the explosion, there are puffs of smoke emitted across the *entire face* of the building.
This indicates either a massive explosion in the core of the building, or synchronized smaller explosions throughout the building. Either scenario is unlikely without planted explosions.
On another subject, I can't wait to hear more about Prof Jones' study of the themite that kirk mentions. There's nothing like good ol' physical evidence.
> >A couple of days ago,
>
>A couple of days ago, someone sent a >link in showing top-down demolition >done before on other buildings. >Anyone know of this link?
>Mike Jr. | 06.07.06 - 2:26 pm | #
>
That's what i've been wondering about 9/11. They say there's only one company in the world that can do these skyscraper demolitions: Controlled Demolition Inc.
But how then could the neo cons have done it without their help? Does the CIA or Pentagon have a secred demolition experts team that outperforms even the professionals? Where did the experts come from?
Kevin and Anonymous, Thank
Kevin and Anonymous,
Thank you. I've posted that video here in comments several times the last few months and never got a response. Yep, all across the face, coinciding with the other tower hit. And don't forget to compare and contrast with 911blimp's video. I'm still a little leery of talking video or explosion evidence, but this one and "Bomb in the building, start clearing out" are . . . compelling.
Greg, Controlled Demolition
Greg,
Controlled Demolition Inc. was responsible for the cleanup. Since they are one of the largest demo companies, I would imagine they would know what demo'd beams look like. My gut tells me they have to be complicit in some way. I have not seen any evidence of this but it seems plausible.
"That's what i've been
"That's what i've been wondering about 9/11. They say there's only one company in the world that can do these skyscraper demolitions: Controlled Demolition Inc.
But how then could the neo cons have done it without their help? Does the CIA or Pentagon have a secred demolition experts team that outperforms even the professionals? Where did the experts come from?
Greg | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 3:12 pm | "
You don't think that they can buy off the company to keep quite?
Did you know that generally, the company in question does not actually place the explosives. There is another company that does that. They do the planning and cooridnation of the job and the removal of the debris. Not to say that they don't, but I recall a show that stated this, so I may be wrong on this part.
So they would not necessarily need to be involved with the planting.
It's not just a clear cut case of who would have to know and who would not. There are many factors to think about.
Controlled Demolition Inc.
Controlled Demolition Inc. was responsible for the cleanup. Since they are one of the largest demo companies, I would imagine they would know what demo'd beams look like. My gut tells me they have to be complicit in some way. I have not seen any evidence of this but it seems plausible.
T-Bone | 06.07.06 - 3:35 pm | #
______________________________----
T-Bone, I agree with you about CDI.
Hey, any feedback from the priest you handed a letter and a DVD?
And I don't pressure women
And I don't pressure women into dating me. I generally club them over the head, and drag them back to my cave.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 1:00 pm | #
So you're the guy that the NY Times said lived in a cave. I knew it was one of us. They wouldn't make that up just to make us look bad.
"So you're the guy that the
"So you're the guy that the NY Times said lived in a cave. I knew it was one of us. They wouldn't make that up just to make us look bad."
Isn't it a sad day when a man living in a cave knows there's something fishy about 9/11 and over half of the United States citizenry hasn't awaken yet.
Chicago 9-11 Fake-fest
Chicago 9-11 Fake-fest
http://www.wingtv.net/todaysshow/wednesday/wednesday.mp3?PHPSESSID=70dc4...
Analysis: Chicago 9-11 Ring-Around-the-Rosie Event
http://69.28.73.17/thorn2006/chicago911.html
TNF, He's a pastor not a
TNF,
He's a pastor not a priest. I'm Southern Baptist but that doesn't really matter. It has been almost 4 weeks since I gave him the letter & DVD and still no response. I haven't had a chance to talk with him in private because I only see him on Sundays and he seems to avoid me at the end of the service. He shook my hand after the service last Sunday on the way out but made no mention of the DVD and I couldn't get into it with him since there were so many church members around. His silence is kind of creeping me out.
"Does the CIA or Pentagon
"Does the CIA or Pentagon have a secred demolition experts team that outperforms even the professionals? Where did the experts come from?
Greg | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 3:12 pm | "
This is just speculation, but i would imagine they would have access to military demolition experts in addition to having access to military grade munitions.
And in addition to 9/11
And in addition to 9/11 there was the 1993 WTC bombing, they placed the bomb strategically at the right place to try to bring them down.
Someone must have known how to bring the twin towers down. Didn't have to be picture perfect, but they must not have remained standing in order to destroy evidence.
The fact thet they omitted
The fact thet they omitted any mention of Robert Bowman or Morgan Reynolds, says volumes!!!
Radical Pragmatist | 06.07.06 - 2:00 pm | #
Yes I'm sure it would make a lot of difference if the article was titled 500
conspiracy buffs and a former member of the bush administration.
One thing is for sure they couldn't call him a bush basher since the guy was in the bush administration.
That's why most probably the
That's why most probably the direct demolition job has been outsourced to some non aligned party. The WTC site demo team consisted most probably from some spec ops guys from Izrael with some additional US security cover.
So, in case of any leak this is just bullit proof cover. Besides Izraeli spec ops never talk, NEVER. Quite unlike some mafia cuban/italian types who carried the JFK, RFK, M.L. King hits for the bushevik junta in the past and made a number of mistakes along the way.
You can't criticize Izrael in the media and to even make 9/11 connection is the best way to be whisked into mental asyleum..
Larry PullerStein raised some good money and paid his due to the right funds..
So, it seems to be a win win win win strategy for the bastards!
Case closed, we would never win under normal conditions.
But thanks to peak oil this civilization goes through toilet pretty soon anyway, so someone will eventualy speak, people will riot, makeshift guillotines will be build, bushevik heads will roll..
>One thing is for sure they
>One thing is for sure they couldn't >call him a bush basher since the guy >was in the bush administration.
>kirk | 06.07.06 - 4:19 pm | #
And they couldn't call Paul Craig Roberts a Democrat.
But that's what the Republicans seem to be doing about 9/11: They're branding any doubt of the official story as "anti-republican". So they've really not learned the "lessens of history" - parties can also be changed and now is the time!
I just posted Professor
I just posted Professor Steven Jones' 6/7/6 interview with Alex Jones:
http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/06/07/interview-byu-physicist-steven-j...
Enjoy,
-Culhavoc
Controlled Demolition Inc.
Controlled Demolition Inc. was also in charge of the clean up in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Part of their sales speech is that they guarantee the rubble will be properly sized to fit on the flatbed of a semi-trailer. I haven't seen many pictures of the carting away process at ground zero, but Painful Deceptions (Hufschmidt) shows some pics where the steel beams are just the right size...
And in the LooseChange2 it's mentioned that CDI was in Queens imploding a couple old WW2 era silos for no apparent reason in the days immediately prior to 9/11.
While this doesn't *prove* anyhting CDI certainly deserves suspicion and an extended interogation.
Hummux (the guy the Times says lived in a cave) is way cool/smart, btw. If things don't improve for me I might take over his cave lease. :-)
Anyone have an opinion on
Anyone have an opinion on the 9/11 Foreknowledge guys?
http://911foreknowledge.com/staged.htm
Their stuff seems somewhat Nico-esque crazy, but it is so voluminous it makes my head spin and hard to refute.
http://911foreknowledge.com/staged.htm
Vanity Fair Confirms Niger
Vanity Fair Confirms Niger Forgeries Tied To White House
Chicago 9-11 Fake-fest
Chicago 9-11 Fake-fest
http://www.wingtv.net/ todaysshow...d4937f0a7f4118a
road66 | 06.07.06 - 4:09 pm | #
______________________________-
Anybody listen to this?
From above: "Anyone have an
From above: "Anyone have an opinion on the 9/11 Foreknowledge guys?"
Check out Ray Ubinger's examination of the Naudet film which Ray refers to as an "Emmy Award Winning Snuff Film".
-Culhavoc
Vanity Fair Confirms Niger
Vanity Fair Confirms Niger Forgeries Tied To White House
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 4:53 pm | #
_________________________---
Damn that's long!
@ Greg: And in addition to
@ Greg:
And in addition to 9/11 there was the 1993 WTC bombing, they placed the bomb strategically at the right place to try to bring them down.
Someone must have known how to bring the twin towers down. Didn't have to be picture perfect, but they must not have remained standing in order to destroy evidence.
***
I remember that I've read a similar statement to the 93 bombing, like, A little bit more in this direction towards a inner core columns and the WTC would have come down.
But that is really far fetched. You couldn't destroy a few core columns and the building desintegrate.
What is
What is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpwW-HVvMjU&search=wtc
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn20
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/chicago911.html
Everybody read that, and REMEMBER who wrote it. They weren't even there, and yet they were able to write an analysis. REMEMBER who wrote it.
ST911.org... REMEMBER who wrote it.
"What is this?" An
"What is this?"
An advertisement for the sci fi channel.
"On the other hand, what I
"On the other hand, what I did see was dream analysts, an imam, healing analysts, a civil rights filmmaker, peak oil advocates, social behaviorists, libby-lib liberals, a muslim comedian, and academics who have never written about 9-11."
Was Victor Thorn there?
I did not see a black cowboy
I did not see a black cowboy hat, and a beard. Was Victor Thorn even there?
"the 9-11 Mafia and the New
"the 9-11 Mafia and the New York Times are on the same team"
REMEMBER who wrote that ST911.org
Does anyone think, who
Does anyone think, who attended the Chicago Conference, that the people of 911Truth.org and Mujca are shills?
Good luck with CDI i sent
Good luck with CDI i sent them an e-mail over a year ago....correction two e-mails concerning the time it would take to rig a 47 story building for CD.
Still waiting ! LOL !
"Perhaps an upside-down flag
"Perhaps an upside-down flag should become the official symbol of the 9/11 truth movement!"
Only if you want to scare people away. How about selecting a handle for yourself, bold-anonymous?
"the camera tripod shakes"
Try not to place too much emphasis on camera shakes: it could be just somebody walking past, even two cameras shaking is not very strong evidence. Still, thermobaric bombs do require a pre-detonation before the big explosion.
"[demolition] Where did the experts come from?"
It wasn't all that fine-tuned :o
timbermonkey --
"he's friends with Nico, Webfairy, and Gerard Holmgren"
That's one serious accusation!!
What'd you guys think of
What'd you guys think of that Muckraker article? is that guy generally spot on?
Looking forward to those
Looking forward to those videos, dz :-)
I'm listening to the Wing TV
I'm listening to the Wing TV duo. I must say, they seem a bit fishy to me. I don't like how condescending they sound. They are being very criticle of the Chicago event even though they admit they were not there. Hmmmmmm.
I just posted Professor
I just posted Professor Steven Jones' 6/7/6 interview with Alex Jones:
>>
very good interview..
I've got only one serious issue with st911.org they were quite supportive of the Judicial Watch Pentagon footage release despite the following facts.
-Tom Fitton of JW is being sued by his former colleagues for fraud
-Judicial Watch and its main donors are known/documented CIA front/media dissinfo figures going back to 1970s
-Pentagon footage released because of flight77.info not by Judicial Watch
Why st911.org support for them?
1/ Didn't have time to investigate it further
2/ St911.org are conservative (judicial watch) leaning types anyway
3/ It's all scam
4/ ..
Does anyone think, who
Does anyone think, who attended the Chicago Conference, that the people of 911Truth.org and Mujca are shills?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 5:24 pm | #
^LOL, WINGTV are TOTAL jokers!! I've been saying that sh!t for ages now. And it baffles the crap out of me how scholars for 911truth can even link to them. It's like linking to "Cointelpro R Us" or something. What the hell motivated someone at st911.org to even think about linking to those clowns?
Alex Jones interviews Steven
Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones about new Thermite evidence. http://nw0.info/index.php?dir=Radio/Alex%20Jones%20Radio%20Archive/2006/...
Well st911.org are Mormons
Well st911.org are Mormons and they know that it's always better to have jews at some save distance so they are probably more open even to those wingtv simlpetons..
Or someone is sabotaging the movement.
Why the hell Prof. Jones put into the title of his paper "solar cookers" that's just very nutty. Although I have them and use too but this completely unrelated to 911 or his WTC collapse paper..
updated wikipedia with that
updated wikipedia with that excellent new interview...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
Wing TV has threated and
Wing TV has threated and accused nearly every legitimate 9/11 researcher and activist.
Michael Ruppert posted a recording of a phone conversation he had with the FBI where they accused him of threatening Wing TV.
Now - ask yourself - why would the FBI be acting on behalf of Wing TV?
Wing TV even mentions in their own article that they protested at ground zero during the solemn memorial services for the victims' families on the last 9/11 anniversary.
How tactless can you get?
Nearly every 9/11 activist i know from NYC purposely avoided disrupting the memorial services - out of respect. There is a place for protesting - and a place for mourning.
The VIllage Voice ran an article on the Wing TV antics on that day - and how upset people were by their presence.
yup - WING TV always seems to manage to make us all look bad - while they call legitimate activists and researchers "war criminals".
and lets not forget their efforts to still connect our movement with anti-semitism. Funny how these marginal 9/11 activists always seem to want to push the anti-semitic literature.
This from their site:
Alex Jones: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Dave von Kleist: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
9-11 Truth.org: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Dylan Avery: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Jim Hoffman: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Paul Thompson: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Webster Tarpley: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Carol Brouillet: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Kyle Hence: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
David Ray Griffin: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Nicolas Levis: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Phil Berg: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Bob Bowman: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Mike Ruppert: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Tom Flocco: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Jenna Orkin: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Paul J. Watson: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Wayne Madsen: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Jimmy Walter: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Gabriel Day: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Janice Matthews: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
David Kubiak: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
Les Jamieson: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
M. Chossudovsky: refuses to examine IsraelÂ’s role as a key conspirator in the 9-11 attacks
hmmmm.....
updated wikipedia with that
updated wikipedia with that excellent new interview...
>>
Kind of surprised Prof. Jones article is still relatively balanced.
One or two media exposures of Jones and we might be sure that the main wikipedia gatekeeper morons will tear it into pieces day after..
either they're in denial, or
either they're in denial, or they feel it's too risky. (There's probably a lot more to it underneath)
regarding Israel's
regarding Israel's involvement:
either they're in denial, or they feel it's too risky. (There's probably a lot more to it underneath)
"911blimp, thanks for that
"911blimp, thanks for that video. Here's a clearer corresponding view from northwest, apparently showing the same events"
http://911blimp.net/vid_WTC1explosions.shtml
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/demolitions_more_evidence.htm
http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/wtc2-strike-2.avi
After carefully viewing the videos, I tend to think they just show the effect of the plane crash on the neighbouring tower. It causes smoke and flames to be pushed out with greater force -- out of the holes from which it was already billowing.
Based on this, I wouldn't conclude that explosions took place in the North Tower at the moment the plane hit the South Tower. And why would there be an explosion up there where the guy was waving something?
_____One or two media
_____One or two media exposures of Jones and we might be sure that the main wikipedia gatekeeper morons will tear it into pieces day after.._____-
I'm attempting to keep them at bay.
At least one of them thinks the FBI's recent comment on bin Laden's "hard evidence" was just taken out of context...
"Wing TV even mentions in
"Wing TV even mentions in their own article that they protested at ground zero during the solemn memorial services for the victims' families on the last 9/11 anniversary.
How tactless can you get?
Nearly every 9/11 activist i know from NYC purposely avoided disrupting the memorial services - out of respect. There is a place for protesting - and a place for mourning."
John... I used to think as you do, but this year, I'm going to Ground Zero.
And OF COURSE I will be
And OF COURSE I will be respectful of the family members, but I will be there.
Chicago 9-11 Fake-fest
Chicago 9-11 Fake-fest
http://www.wingtv.net/ todaysshow...d4937f0a7f4118a
road66 | 06.07.06 - 4:09 pm | #
______________________________-
Anybody listen to this?
Mike Jr. | 06.07.06 - 4:57 pm | #
WingTv attacking people needlessly AGAIN? you dont say........
THE NY TIMES PUTS 9-11
THE NY TIMES PUTS 9-11 QUESTIONS IN THE GRAVE
by Michael C. Ruppert and Jamey Hecht
~excerpt~
The Gray LadyÂ’s disingenuous but expectedly well-crafted character assassination will have a lasting historical footprint, but the 9-11 truth movement has been virtually consigned to a footnote in the dustbin of history as a result of mainstream media mind control and its own foolish choices.
The truth is that the real and best 9/11 researchers chose a long time ago not to ride willingly into the Little Big Horn massacre that was long prepared for, set up, and executed over the last few months. None of us takes any satisfaction in saying we told you so, butÂ… we told you so.
Unless a movement alleging government corruption of this magnitude understands from the gate that every move must be planned with one question and only one question in mind, it will fail at the precise moment that it reaches the threshold of mass public consciousness. That question, very simply, is “When the mainstream media is forced to take note, how will they try to discredit our efforts?”
Avoiding the obvious ambush points is the best way to plan. Of course, that threatens the chance that a movement like 9-11 truth will ever reach the mainstream media; it also evokes the now-justified observation that the only movements questioning the government and exposing the complicity of the press that get the ink or airtime will be the ones that can easily be shot down in the public eye.
The headline pretty much sets the tone for a series of cheap shots that run very predictably throughout the story — cheap shots that most of the 9-11 movement stood up and volunteered for.
I really think the movement
I really think the movement should NOT use the upside down flag. The purpose is to restore the constitution, right? It will be a big bold turn-off to many, many honest and fair-minded people if the upside down flag becomes the symbol.
I'm not endorsing Ruppert's
I'm not endorsing Ruppert's point of view above, btw. I just thought you all would be interested.
Does anyone think, who
Does anyone think, who attended the Chicago Conference, that the people of 911Truth.org and Mujca are shills?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 5:24 pm | #
I do not think so, but why do you ask?
Victor was talking about the
Victor was talking about the "Presentation" list when he said, "what I did see".
My mistake... I get angry, and it impairs my ability to read coherently. Good thing I always double check what I write. Anywho... they are scumbags.
hmmmm..... John
hmmmm.....
John Albanese
Hmmmm.... is right!
Pointing out the shills is pretty easy when they write editorials like that!!!!!
Even if they're not official shills they're editorial is so inaccurate that no one should trust anything they have or will say.
I hope James Fetzer is paying attention!!!!!!
They're following the same script as Darl Bradford Smith, and its getting a little old and obvious.
Do you have a link to that Ruppert phone conversation?
We need to remember that the whole point of this is infighting, so lets call them on it and then forget them and move on!!!!
With regards to audio voice
With regards to audio voice technologies, there is an article written by Arkin years ago (no link at my fingertips, but I can look it up... and you can too) of the work done at Los Alamos labs in voice-morphing... taking a small snippet of audio recording and processing it through computers so that you literally can have someone say whatever you want them to say... ditto with video (work done at MIT)...
I think Plato wrote something about this as well... something about shadows on the wall of a cave...
With regards to Grove:
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't his e-mail address, phone number and web site in the transcript? If you have concerns and questions, you can contact him and perhaps he'll respond. I've seen one document with a graphics of his WTC photo ID and his Marsh business card.
Also, you will want to compare and contrast Grove's transcript with the article by Catherine Austin Fitts at http://dunwalke.com on the convergence of corporate and Federal power, the legislation and business dealings behind for-profit prisons, the Iran-Contra history, some of the key players who were also involved in 9/11, and more.
Oh... John is dead on in
Oh... John is dead on in regards to WingTV.
Bollyn interviews Eric
Bollyn interviews Eric Hufschmid 6/6/06
http://www.erichufschmid.net/bollyn-hufschmid-6-June-2006.mp3
CONFIRMED: Professor Steven
CONFIRMED: Professor Steven E. Jones to accompany me on my meeting with Representative Curt Weldon.
8)
ABC News just announced they
ABC News just announced they will be doing a report on Ann Coulter's recent comments on 9/11 widows.
Holy shit, Jon. Nice.
Holy shit, Jon.
Nice.
Yo, no wonder WINGTV chat so
Yo, no wonder WINGTV chat so much poo, I just found out they stand for;
Willing
Idiots
Negating
Genuine
True
Voices
^ lol maybe I've got a bit too much time on my hands here.
OOF!! Way ta GO, Jon! Good
OOF!! Way ta GO, Jon! Good luck with that.
(In Jon's last encounter with Congressman Weldon, Weldon said something to the effect of "Professor Jones has some very interesting things to say").
CONFIRMED: Professor Steven
CONFIRMED: Professor Steven E. Jones to accompany me on my meeting with Representative Curt Weldon.
Nice Job!!!!!!!!!!!!
That should be interesting meeting!
Hey, the Blogger is down so
Hey, the Blogger is down so I can't post this, but check out this vid of Alex Jones doing what he does best:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/070606_b_BullHorns.htm
Did you say you aren't
Did you say you aren't actually going to lunch and that it will be some sort of video conference?
If so... record that shit!
Ehem... his exact words
Ehem... his exact words were:
"Rep. Weldon: It'll open your eyes, because his allegations are pretty strong."
CONFIRMED: Professor Steven
CONFIRMED: Professor Steven E. Jones to accompany me on my meeting with Representative Curt Weldon.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 6:35 pm |
No way!! What you guys doing with Weldon? Is it just like a meeting or is he down for a Congregational investigation?
Thanks all... yes, it's a
Thanks all... yes, it's a video conference...
"No way!! What you guys
"No way!! What you guys doing with Weldon? Is it just like a meeting or is he down for a Congregational investigation?"
It's just a meeting. To talk to Rep. Weldon. About taking this to the end.
What's a Congregational
What's a Congregational Investigation? Is that like when a Church does an investigation? ;)
It's just a meeting. To talk
It's just a meeting. To talk to Rep. Weldon. About taking this to the end.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 6:47 pm |
Cool, good luck with that dude!!!
Thanks...
Thanks...
Jon, this is good news
Jon,
this is good news indeed. When is the meeting scheduled for?
Jake Tapper of ABC News just
Jake Tapper of ABC News just did a report on Ann Coulter's recent comments on 9/11 widows......
The debate continues online at ABC News.
Go easy on Dem Bruce Lee
Go easy on Dem Bruce Lee Styles, Jon. I already gave him hell for that blasted apostrophe.
What's a Congregational
What's a Congregational Investigation? Is that like when a Church does an investigation?
^ Hahahaha, did I just demonstrate how shit my spelling is? Embarrassing.
June 28th.
June 28th.
Audio Of Chicago
Audio Of Chicago Event
Thanks to ooga booga.
I mean... al uh looyah
I mean... al uh looyah
Ann Coulter will be a guest
Ann Coulter will be a guest tomorrow night on Lou Dobbs to explain her remarks on the 9/11 widows.
Are these widows the same as the so-called Jersey Girls?
Ann Coulter will be a guest
Ann Coulter will be a guest tomorrow night on Lou Dobbs to explain her remarks on the 9/11 widows.
______________________________
What is there to explain? She's a *unt!(rhymes with punt)
Why does that cold-hearted
Why does that cold-hearted bitch get so much media attention...
Oh, well I guess her book just came out yesterday.
Prof Jones' interview cited
Prof Jones' interview cited above is just stunning. I mean **stunning**. I'm still shaking.
There's now a little problem with Thermate residue being found in the WTC wreckage. There's no way to spin or deflect this one.
Best of luck to JG!
i think anyone who refuses
i think anyone who refuses to entertain the idea that israel had prior knowledge is a shilleroni
This was just posted by Mike
This was just posted by Mike Ruppert at FTW:
" I have watched “Loose Change” and in my expert opinion it is a very fine piece of CIA disinformation, one that fits an astute maxim by Professor Peter Dale Scott: “Disinformation, in order to be effective, must be 90% accurate.”
Even though the film opens with some of my original research (including images taken from the FTW web site), it quickly sinks into a repeatedly debunked and confabulated hypothesis that no airliner hit the Pentagon. This film is so slickly produced (and on such a large budget) that it is hard to believe that amateur filmmakers could have made it. Once the audience buys into all the credible research at the front, they are quickly swept away in a flood of easily impeached high-tech nonsense, and that was the filmÂ’s intent.
Not long before “Loose Change” was released, a recently retired high-ranking US Naval officer approached me and tried to sell me on the claim that no plane hit the Pentagon. He even claimed that he had been inside the Pentagon on 9-11 and had seen no aircraft wreckage. He kept pushing but could not persuade me, because (as I told him) I was aware of more than 130 independent, non-military eyewitnesses who had been traveling on nearby I-395 who swore that they did see an airliner hit the Pentagon. Having driven on I-395 many times, I know that they had a perfect view.
My last correspondence with the retired Navy Captain was on May 16th and in my message I made it very clear that I would not endorse the no-plane hypothesis and that I believed “Loose Change” to be (in impact) a CIA propaganda film, whether by design, trick or device, or the sheer gullibility of its makers.
On May 16th the Pentagon released what it claims was new video showing a Boeing 757 striking the building. It was clear that, realizing I would not fall for the “dangle,” the powers that be had decided that they would discredit the rest of the 9-11 movement who had accepted “no plane.”
Thanks Kevin.
Thanks Kevin.
Hey, the Blogger is down so
Hey, the Blogger is down so I can't post this, but check out this vid of Alex Jones doing what he does best:
http://prisonplanet.com/ articles...b_BullHorns.htm
somebigguy | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 6:44 pm | #
^ Anyone else see this, I love Alex Jones but the dude can be kinda rude it seems lol. You can see Carol Brouillet trying to give him a Mic and a way better sound system, and he's not having any of it, he sticks with his iconic megaphone instead.
yeah Carol talked about that
yeah Carol talked about that in her website update, trying to use the sound system instead of the intimidating microphone.
Jon, good luck with the
Jon,
good luck with the interview/meeting. It's a week after the June 24 conference; more information should be available to discuss
yeah Carol talked about that
yeah Carol talked about that in her website update, trying to use the sound system instead of the intimidating microphone.
DHS | Homepage | 06.07.06 - 7:19 pm | #
LOL check this one, he looks pissed of at something;
http://www.tvnewslies.org/assets/images/Alex%20Jones%20&%20Jesse.jpg
bah, blogger is down still..
bah, blogger is down still.. doh.
My site is up.
My site is up.
Thanks CB.
Thanks CB.
now its up.. im uploading
now its up.. im uploading one of the 2 videos now..
Cool. dz is a "whiz" with
Cool. dz is a "whiz" with the computer.
Hey simuvac, do you have a
Hey simuvac, do you have a link to that FTW quote? It seems highly suspecious that Ruppert would make those outrageous accusations against LC2E.
Damn good work, Jon Gold!
Damn good work, Jon Gold!
Thanks.
Thanks.
sounds like something
sounds like something Ruppert would say to me. i loved his book, it had so much info i had no idea about and im very grateful for the work he has done, but sometimes the guy just makes wonder what the hell his problem is.
whenever someone is quick to
whenever someone is quick to throw around accusations about someone being CIA(a 22 year old kid no less) it should make you wonder about the person making the accusation. remember, Ruppert claims he was courted by the CIA.now, based on the info Ruppert has produced over the years,i personally dont think he is CIA connected, but it does make you wonder.
also, remember how he was
also, remember how he was "done with 9/11"? uh huh, then fuck off Ruppert and stop calling people CIA if your truly done with 9/11.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/a
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/070606_b_perspective.htm
Waiting for new audio of R A
Waiting for new audio of R A Grove, if available. Did he speak yet again?
Q: What's the difference
Q: What's the difference between a bunch of midget Mensa members and a bunch of campaigning Right-Wing congresswomen?
A: The midgets are a bunch of cunning runts....
Anonymous, The whole Ruppert
Anonymous,
The whole Ruppert article is here:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/members/060706_questions_grave.shtml
But you need a membership to see it (I didn't think it would be right to post the whole thing here -- I dunno). Basically, he thinks the NY Times piece on the 9/11 convention put "9/11 questions in the grave." As he has said before, he thinks (a) the No-Boeing stuff is a waste of time, and (b) proceeding with "physical evidence" was an invitation to be shot down (so to speak). He writes: "sufficient non-scientific (i.e. uncontestable) evidence exists to prove government complicity, cover-up, and murder." He targets the controlled demolition theories as susceptible to this kind of sabotage. I think he still wants credit for piecing together the wargames stuff with Cheney.
I agree with the first part (No-Boeing is a waste of time), but disagree with the second.
Q: What's the difference
Q: What's the difference between a bunch of midget Mensa members and a bunch of campaigning Right-Wing congresswomen?
A: The midgets are a bunch of cunning runts....
Rumpl4skn | 06.07.06 - 7:59 pm | #
HAHA. on another note, C&L left my 9/11 truth comment up for once.i think the sky is falling. either that or they finally see the reputation they are gaining for ignoring 9/11.
simuvac, thanks anyway, but
simuvac, thanks anyway, but I can't access the link you provided.
If Ruppert really wrote that hit-piece about LC2E, then he is gatekeeping & he is a shill.
LC2E is the best, most effective 9/11 eye-opener, IMO!!!
Has anyone watched the Kean
Has anyone watched the Kean and Hamilton video today? Rep. Carolyn Maloney gave absolute praise to the 9/11 Report, and to the commissioners. It was fucking disgusting.
Here it is... she starts in
Here it is... she starts in around at 18:00
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/ter/ter060606_liberties.rm
Just disgusting. Dennis Kucinich spoke as well, and was calm considering his prior allegations.
"Look, it's our old friend
"Look, it's our old friend 911poller lamenting his failed attempts at truth spreading:
""I was banned this morning from 911blogger.com. It was for asking if any of those poor souls who went to Chicago had the insight to question the speakers on their assertions. Question the "questioners" of 9/11 is a simple concept and necessary.""
There's crap from Skunk King in response to 911poller:
Welcome to the club, 911poller. Don't you just love 911blogger.com's "You either with us or against us!" attitude?
I was kicked off recently for trying to get those dunces to THINK but it is a hopeless cause in their case. The problem, IMO, is a profound lack of training in logical reasoning abilities, something that has been lacking in schools for a long time. People on 911blogger, like Jon Gold, Chris, James Ha, etc., may as well have been educated in a Madrassa in Pakistan for the arrogant, self-righteous, religious fervor they bloviate relentlessly. That you asked whether they questioned the questionners is no different than a Muslim insulting Mohammad.
In the end, Conspiracy Smasher got it right. One can only shake one's head and make fun of these profoundly ignorant souls who make up The 9/11 Denial Movement. No amount of evidence, facts, refutations, irrefutable scientific investigations, and truth will shake their resolve to establish their religion of government conspiracies and "controlled demolition" as the One True Word of God.
funny how they laugh at us,
funny how they laugh at us, yet they cant stop talking about us. whos really pathetic? the people that believe in what they are doing? or the people that have nothing better to do but to shill for the official story? the official story doesnt need anymore defenders.
Where did they post that
Where did they post that stuff, on a blog where exposed shills console each other?
Hey, everyone knows that
Hey, everyone knows that there's no such thing as the mafia also. That's just a lovely bunch of law-abiding gentlemen who like to get together & eat spaghetti now & then.