My god, I had no idea Cheney and PNAC called for race targetting bio weapons in their rebuilding America's defenses. Geezus. This is the eugenics stuff of Nazi dreams.

We really have to break through the John Stewart view of the neocons for people, and get em to realize the neocons arent these laughable warmongers, but more as psychopaths who are truly out to wage warfare on humanity.

DEA INS FBI told Fox News:

to pursue or even suggest Israeli Spying is "Career Suicide"

Another Opinion... did you read this?

The 9/11 Truth Movement Is Not Anti-Semitic And Neither Is Ray McGovern

I wrote it, and I moved on... feel free to pass it on to whomever you want.

Zarqawi The Myth Is Dead

"His family in Jordan even held a ceremony after his death. Abu Musab Al Zarqawi is therefore a ploy used by the Americans, an excuse to continue the occupation. ItÂ’s a pretext so they donÂ’t leave Iraq."

"The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program."

I just found out that dz showed up at the Grassroots workshop after I left... sorry.

This is a good writeup but I cannot support the NY911Truth movement. I am not going to start the fingerpointing game, but from what I have observed this group performs well 90% of the time, but seems to suffer from some strange lapses in judgement the other 10% of the time, when it seems to matter the most.

I did some reading on how Code Pink was infiltrated and it fits the profile. It appears to be the same game.

Most of the most legitimate and intelligent members of the New York group have stopped participating as a result of this repeated disruption.

I am sure, on a national level, all appears above board and on the up and up with the New York movement. But for those of us who have witnessed these disruptions, and people walking out of meetings, because of strange inappropriate material that almost always seems to work its way into the agenda, unannounced, it no longer appears to be an accident.

I understand the desire to never undercut other members of the movement. It looks bad. But, if groups like Code Pink have confirmed infiltration and disruption, then how do we deal with the overwhelming probability that our movement is infiltrated as well?

Do we continue to empower those among us who seem sincere 90% of the time, yet lay some whopper of disruption on the movement at the most critical moments?

It is a legitimate question. And, if the national movement was infiltrated anywhere in the country, does it not makes sense that New York would be the prime target?

I shudder to think what could happen if the wrong people inthis movement should be empowered to represent all of us should the madia finally come-a-knocking at the door. The wrong person could say things on national TV that will do us great damage.

There will always be the Nico Haupts and Webfairy disinformation agents to make us look bad. But they are easy to spot. What concerns me are the seemingly legitimate members who appear amiable and friendly and dedicated and likable blokes, who then inexplicably suddenly do strange shit at the most critical moments.

It is a legitimate question and something of concern. This question could easily descend into cross accusations and heated debate, but, I would prefer to keep it civil and raise the question in a nonpersonal way.

The blog response of the Al Zarqawi news really shatters my hope for the American people. We just can't compete with the propaganda. Even self described liberals are happy to see Zarqawi dead. “The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date.” — Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, in an internal 2004 memo praising the propaganda campaign to hype the threat of Iraq’s “terrorist mastermind” Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

another, im right with you.. they do it to every group so why not this one???

i dont think nico is a disinfo agent... im much more worried about the big names that everyone follows like theyre some sort of gods...

"...strange inappropriate material that almost always seems to work its way into the agenda, unannounced..."

Could you cite an example for those of us who have not seen this behavior/material?

I have worked with Les before, and his sincerity, and his efforts seem genuine. I am aware that there is dissent within that particular group, and that questionable content has been put forward in the past, but hey, we all make mistakes. I have endorsed Tom Flocco at one time, as have many others, and as we all know, he has since lost his mind. Taking that into account, Les is at Ground Zero every Saturday, and has been for a long time now. He has done a lot, and I respect him tremendously. He is my friend.

As far as being infiltrated... duh... that's obvious. It's just the "who" portion that is quesitoned.

Some are more obvious than others. Barrie Zwicker made a point at the conference that if we don't counter-attack those who attack us, at all, then they eventually out themselves.

Imagine someone constantly attacking someone else for no apparent reason. Doesn't that seem suspicious to you? It sure does to me.

Here's an example of material that was being distributed by a senior-most member of the group:

http://www.truthmove.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

Look closely at the articles. Do you want this given out at a 9/11 Truth meeting with new people coming in off the street?

That's the one Another Opinion. It's an anti-semitic magazine that covered Dr. David Ray Griffin. Les put it out, and has since received A LOT of flack for it. He has also received a lot of support.

He made a mistake. I spoke to him about that incident. Being jewish, I had a "unique" perception of what transpired. I certainly don't think Les is anti-semitic, nor do I think it was his intention to appear that way, but unfortunately, that's what happened.

Michael Wolsey recently had to make a statement about a website that he endorsed without the knowledge of it being anti-semitic.

Again, we all make mistakes.

Jon - First of all I never mentioned any names. But, your response does not answer the underlying question.

this probably has no bearing on anything 9/11 related, but thought to point it out:

http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/181857

I guess you would have to witness some of the things that have transpired in New York to really understand this. IT was not just one incident. It has been a repeated mistake of unannounced material being introduced at very important meetings, without the consent of the group as a whole. Videos and DVDs and printed material of extremely poor judgement.

I have personally witnessed people walking out of meetings because of the materials beineg fronted.

The underlying question is still not answered. Like Code Pink, a classic disruption technique is to infiltrate and disseminate disinformation and hate speech materials.

The question is whether this is possible.

What is your underlying question? Whether or not ny911truth.org has been infiltrated? I guess it's possible. Who gave the magazine to Les? How did he come across it? I don't know. I do know that we can't do this as individuals. Lord knows I've tried. It has to be a group effort. The best we can do is judge someone by their work, and efforts.

If someone spends 99% of their time working towards the truth, and 1% of the time answering against attacks, then chances are, they're doing a good job versus someone who spends 99% of their time on the offensive, and 1% of the time working towards truth.

WingTV is a perfect example of the latter.

If there are questionable people who attend the ny911truth.org events, then ny911truth.org, as a group, should confront those people. Ask them not to take part in the group if need be, but don't let the group itself break up.

for those who havent seen this yet, here is what a world map of our visitors looks like in just a day and a half:

http://clustrmaps.com/counter/maps.php?url=http://www.911blogger.com&typ...

dz, can I do that?

Jon - That approach was used for years. Heated debates took place for years. In the end most of the best and brightest members simply walked away because there was a never-ending stream of people endorsed and fronted by certain other members in the group who CLEARLY were either mentally ill, or designed to be.

Now I know this movement will always attact some undesireable, but, the SPONSORSHIP of these people is what made this problem obvious to many of us.

You can try to simply dismiss everything I am saying as a Wing TV - type attack, but, I think I am asking a very balanced question.

The literature in question showed up TWICE, and was confronted both times. A review of the website associated with this publication is clearly designed to discredit this movement.

It is NOT a Wing TV type attack to call attention to this vile material, and to ask why it REPEATEDLY has shown up at our meetings, even after it was brought to certain people's attention.

News from wsj.com:
"...anxiety over interest rates. Oil prices and gold dropped on news of Zarqawi's death..."

->Don't let any Republican apologist tell you the role of Osama or Zarqawi or any other dupe "doesn't matter".

Well, as you said, I wasn't there so I don't know everything. However, Les seems to be a good man, and has done so much, and if you heard him speak at the Grassroots workshop, he certainly didn't provide any information to the people that would be seen as disinformation. He was attentive, courteous, and informative.

He certainly did a better job than me. I was all over the place.

And who was involved in those "heated" debates?

I need names in order to have a clearer understanding.

"most of the best and brightest members simply walked away"

If Nico Haupt is apart of that list, then I say good riddance.

www.waynemadsenreport.com has a very good new article on the Zarqawi fraud.

These photographs of "dead" Zarqawi seem a little strange, staged.

Here is more about Zarqawi psyops.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/nataffdaily/story/9753195/hyping_za...

Recon, enough with that social security index angle. That doesn't say anything. You think some administrative/paperwork issue matters a darn in the grand scheme of all this?

DBLS, here is a great history of COINTELPRO.
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm

I always think 9/11 Truth's ungrounded theories and disinformation essay is a good introduction for newbies.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040810075752147

Right dz, many good knew Hitler was evil but they assumed he would just go away & nothing like the holocaust/WWII could ever happen.

Why isn't this monumentous info about Jones being reported by 9/11 truthers or is everyone waiting to release it formally after peer review?

Yup - This whole thing in NYC would never have happened if that jewish parasite had just ignored the nazi literature at our 9/11 event.

Man, COINTELPRO was prolific in spreading fraudulent, hateful literature against the Panthers & numerous others in the 1960s & 70s. It is an extremely difficult thing to prevent.

Sorry Mr. Bush, but a mythos can NOT die...

Anonymous - and what if the LEADER of the Black Panthers was caught doing it? How would he have been dealt with?

Interesting, Jon .Would you say your co-workers(all) reactions were hostile , or incredulous on the whole? What would it take to wake them up?

They were hostile, and always are. I don't know what would "wake them up". If I did... they would have been woken up a LONG time ago.

Another Opinion, what's your name?

...
i always wondered as a kid how the germans went along with Hitler's plan, unfortunately today I know the answer.
dz | Homepage | 06.08.06 - 1:23 pm | #

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dz, exactly the same for me...
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Checkin out the cluster map for this site , I see that I am one of the few(1 or 2)representing the yukon.That's sad.Alot of people in the yukon live in a latte/suv world and espouse "proggressive liberal"eco values at the same time.They work for the govt. for the most part so I'm not surprised that they find 911 truth hard to swallow.I've heard alot of people say something along the lines of ' as long as the food trucks keep coming up , I dont see how this affects us.'Disgusting .

Pentagon Jettisons US Agent Provocateur Al-Zarqawi
Musab dies for the umpteenth time but this time its for real says the US government!

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 8 2006

For those of us attempting to keep track of how many times US agent provocateur Musab Al-Zarqawi has been killed or captured today's news comes as something of a relief - the US government has stamped its official seal of approval on the fact that the Pentagon's most influential PR tool is no more.

Irrefutable evidence confirms that Musab Al-Zarqawi was a US agent provocateur used to both sell the necessity of the war in Iraq and as a patsy to take the fall for numerous suspicious bombings which only had the effect of realizing a long-held US and Israeli goal to deliberately foment civil war in Iraq and break up the country along sectarian lines.

Preceding the release of the recent Al-Zarqawi video tape, the Pentagon embarked on a propaganda push to magnify the role and influence of Al-Zarqawi in Iraq - reinforcing the 'Al-Qaeda in Iraq' brand myth and pinning the increasingly unpopular occupation to the wider 'war on terror'.

Leaked documents splashed in the New York Times were proof that the Pentagon has even gone to the lengths of faking letters taking credit for insurgent bombings, attributing them to Al-Zarqawi and leaking them to journalists.

Transcripts of meetings between the Joint Chiefs of Staff discussed turning Al-Zarqawi into a caricature and making him appear, "more important than he really is."

The same documents directly stated that the false promotion of Al-Zarqawi included marking the the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign."

This alone is bullet proof evidence that the Al-Zarqawi image, whether the real Al-Zarqawi was alive, dead or rotting away at Guantanamo Bay, was carefully controlled and massaged by the US military-industrial complex all along. His shining achievement in terms of aiding his Neo-Con bosses was to launch a wave of copy-cat beheadings after appearing in the production of the fictional Nick Berg beheading tape.

The amount of times that Al-Zarqawi has been reported as killed or captured is beyond a joke but the Pentagon refused to verify any of these instances choosing instead to keep their pawn in place for the time being.

The US home audience remains the target as it seems the laughable credibility of the 'fearsome' Al-Zarqawi, his own 'home video' revealed he couldn't even operate a gun, has caused the Pentagon to jettison their creation and throw a few much needed approval points Bush's way.

No doubt the feverish Neo-Con cheerleaders will pick the flesh off this for the next 6 months at least, highlighting it as a benchmark of the success of the war on Iraq, despite the fact that death rates are at an all time high. The bombings will continue unabated because phantom menace Al-Zarqawi was as much a ringleader for the insurgents as the tooth fairy was responsible for the fall of the Berlin wall.

The end of Al-Zarqawi should be a concern for all westerners because it can be added to the pile of evidence to suggest the men behind the curtain are creating a storyboard on which to later pin a staged terror attack blamed on Al-Qaeda and carried out supposedly in revenge for the elimination of Al-Zarqawi.

This development also increases that likelihood that the (also deceased) CIA pawn Osama bin Laden will be rolled out before the mid-term elections as the ever prevalent October surprise.

What a convient win for Bush in his imaginary war on terror.

With all the shit happening lately they needed something to boost his support.
Sickening.

Andrew Grove said Bush used the information he has about 9/11 as power. And that's true.
For the average citizen, it's impossible to get the 9/11 truth. That's why they just give up and believe CNN.

Upcoming will be new Osama and Zawahiri tapes. With near 100% guarantee they will address the death of Zarqawi, but vow to fight on. (like Emmanual Goldstein....)

No response to that last email I sent so maybe it "sunk in".

Jon - why do you ask my name? So I can be publicly called a parasite like Julian for opposing anti-semitic literature being distributed at a 9/11 event?

What was the name of the person who called Julian a parasite?

Do we call jewish people parasites for opposing anti-semitic literature in this movement?

Would you blame me for not wanting to reveal my identity to these people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew

DEA, INS, and FBI told Fox News:
to pursue or even suggest Israeli Spying is "Career Suicide"

???

It seems to me that the battle for truth ( after being abondoned in the media ,congress,etc) is being fought around the water cooler ,and at home in front of the tv).It is the complacency of those (like your coworkers and my family) who would trade freedom for safety , it is that complacency that fuels the the administration , and is the last bulwark of their defense when all the paper -mache psyops start to wear thin.

"Jon - why do you ask my name? So I can be publicly called a parasite like Julian for opposing anti-semitic literature being distributed at a 9/11 event?

What was the name of the person who called Julian a parasite?

Do we call jewish people parasites for opposing anti-semitic literature in this movement?

Would you blame me for not wanting to reveal my identity to these people?"

I like to know who I'm talking to. I know there was a campaign against Les by two individuals within the movement. Two SENIOR members of the movement, and I'd like to know if you are one of them.

I asked you to email me, you haven't.

Another Opinion, don't fill up this thread with Jon Gold stuff. Take it somewhere else.

Quick Pole
How many people handed out a 9-11
DVD(LC2,CE,9-11 revisited etc) yesterday?

How many for the month of May?

How many for the year so far?

How many Fire Depts have you visited
and handed out the DVD's?

How many DVD's have you handed out to police officers?

How many DVD's have you handed out to
military personel?

How many DVD's have you handed/mailed out to a political figure?

peace,pw

Anonymous - and what if the LEADER of the Black Panthers was caught doing it? How would he have been dealt with?
Another Opinion | 06.08.06 - 2:01 pm | #

Dude, that's exactly what COINTELPRO did. They framed Panther leaders as putting out the hateful literature, and made Panther leaders seem like undercover agents.
Enough already.

I respect Jon Gold. This has nothing to do with him. We have a problem in New York and it is NOT limited to just 2 members.

Did you know that the Ellie Wiesel (spelling?) institute has named the 9/11 movement as anti-semitic?

I disagree STRONGLY. I wrote a letter to them that never got a response. But I do know there ARE elements within the fringe-end of the movement that IS anti-semitic and blamed Israel for everything.

So - thanks NY911Truth for "accidentally" distributing that literature - twice - and attacking the people who tried to stop it.

Jon - you will eventually understand.

Anonymous - ah..... so now I'M the agent?

I see.

Les admitted placing the literature at the event. And here is the literature:

http://www.truthmove.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

Sorry, but you can't just wish it away. And you can't just call jewish members of this movement parasites for objecting. and you can't accuse us of being agents.

Enough already? no

Hey everyone. regarding the meeting, 500 people doesn't sound like a big deal, but it is the sign of a soon-to-be-spreading wildfire of truth. I tip my hat to all of you who dare to stand against current in this mainstream.

Now that we see the evil behind control and manipulation, you have to wonder if there is a decency and purity that will balance the scales. Will there be justice for these atrocities? I believe there will be, at the hands of none other than the Christian God these guys hide behind. George Bush is the greatest puppet of Satan the world has ever seen. George Bush is the final Antichrist.

Whatever faith you may subscribe to, (if any) does not matter as much as your adherance to the truth. The truth cannot be taught, it must be learned. The truth stands by it's own merit, and it has the power to set people free. We will be judged by our actions and our inactions. God bless those of you who refuse to be deceived. Continue in your stance against these tools of destruction.

Greed, corruption, manipulation, injustice, all these things shall pass. But for now we stay in the fire of judgement and refinement.

Stand up and fight indifference. Do not resort to violence, but rather use this truth as your sword, and enter into battle. Now is the moment of truth.

I wish this creeping , incremental fascism would come to a head already , I don't want to live in the "safe 2050's" where school texts and media still take the official line on 911.I want bush and cheney to play their final , monstrous hand . Inherent trust in government must be destroyed irrevocably for at least a generation.Would a DRAFT be enough , coupled with an Iranian invasion?Probably not , unfortunately.We don't need a repeat of the aborted movements of the 60's.But enough of that doom . The 911 truth movement is putting the pressure on these forces to play that hand , or give up entirely(unlikely). Do you think you'll soon have the chance to tell them "don't say I didn't warn ya" , Jon?

I've said it before, I'll say it again - the ONLY thing that will cause a revolution in America is when the TV's turn off..

Cheney could eat a baby's heart and so long as they were Arab and American Idol was on noone would budge.

Okay Another Opinion, if Les gave out that junk-literature at a 9/11 event he was damn wrong to do so. Is Les still doing this sort of thing, or are we beating a dead horse here?

Furthermore, you could have expressed these concerns in 2 or 3 sentences. Instead, we have about 15 posts of you rabble-rousing w/Gold. Make your point concisely man, don't fill up a whole thread with cryptic double-talk. (Or is that your intention?)

Under what circumstances would tv's not be on ,dz? I have a feeling you are serious about that , and not just being glib.Revolutions are destructive , but ultimately not as destructive as incremental fascism under the guise of 'democracy'.Is it a case yet of 'they made their beds , now let them lie in them?' An important part of a revolution is punishing the collaborators.Who is really outside of the sphere of complicity?

Colin,

The simple truth is that the glamour and glitz such as focused on 24 hours a day on TV is what is blinding people to the realities of our governments corruption.. now its all about the 'bling bling', or what anorexic 18 year olds are wearing or screwing, money money money, and extreme materialism. this is the 'shiny stuff' that keeps Americans complacient, and unconcerned with the struggles around the globe and here at home.

When power outages come, that is when people bond, that is when they wake up from their daze and remember - 'hey we are all humans, maybe we should work together, maybe i should help fight for a worthy cause?'.. remember when the power was out on 9/11 in the evening? it was like a whole community finally realized they were all part of a larger collective, and not just individuals set out to make money and buy shit for themselves, while ignoring the costs to others.

in any event, roving power outages, national disasters, these things wake people up - just look at the people affected by katrina.

short of that it is fighting materialism in general. 2 years ago i was incredibly materialistic, very very very materialistic. I drove a $35,000 sports car, had a big TV, always had the newest gadget, etc. etc. I was made that way from the incessant focus on women, cars, and money on television and video games as a kid - it is brain washing, whether intentional or not, and it is part of the downfall of our society.. now i do still buy things, don't get me wrong, but i actually give back now, i actually give a crap about others, and i devote large portions of my time fighting for what i consider to be a worthy cause.

anyways..

FYI, it is my birthday (and Barbara Bush's) so I will be out celebrating tonight. I may get one more video up, but no gaurantees, I'm takin a break!

Anonymous - what do you expect from jewish parasites?

I suppose we should just quietly go away and cease to participate in the movement - right?

Good work anonymous.

Happy Birthday dz.

about materialism:

Bush is about to destroy the american (materialistic) dream: think about the 2 trillion debt he added and the trillions that will follow. And think of the unsolvable trade deficit with cheap labout China. All this is storm clouds of a huge magnitude. Paul C. Roberts has warned the U.S. is descending into a 3rd world country.
Unless you're a part of the neocon elite, your future wealth will only exist within a Playstation.

I am working it out. I'm shining light on it.

With the one you have a problem with.

If I had a problem with dz, would I air my problem here, or talk to him directly? I would talk to him directly.

That's just me.

Jonathon - I agree that if we see a problem it is our duty to do something about it.

Exactly

all of u seem apprehensive to discuss israeli involvement in 9/11, and I find that curious.

Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group
15 hours of hell at the hands of immigration who knew they were coming

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 8 2006

Alex Jones and his team were detained by Canadian immigration on orders of the Bilderberg Group for a 15 hour nightmare of interrogation, accusations and threats of arrests in anticipation of the conference in Ottawa which starts today.

The group were detained at 11:45pm last night and only released after 2pm today.

Customs openly told Alex as soon as they brought him into custody that the Bilderberg Group was aware of his arrival and that this was the reason for his detainment. All three members of the team were instantly detained despite going through different immigration desks.

Officials knew everything about Alex, even the fact that George W. Bush had once had him arrested in 1998.

"I was screamed at, I was cussed at, I was interrogated," said Alex.

Jail threats were issued as officials seized and searched through Alex's equipment for 15 hours. He was told that if any trace of pornography was found on his three computers that he would be arrested.

"They were talking about how I was a criminal - they hooked our laptop computers up and said that if they found any porn, even mainstream porn, that it's illegal to take it across lines and that we'd be going to jail," said Alex, thanking God that no trace of any porn was found on his office computers.

Searches continued throughout the night and again in the morning.

Immigrations officials seemed to take a gleeful satisfaction in detaining the team, claiming they were liars and not part of the media despite one admitting to having seen an Alex Jones documentary. Accusations of drugs and weapons smuggling were thrown around without recourse.

"You Americans shit all over us Canadians think you can do anything you want to us," said one immigration official who was acting more like a drill sergeant.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/080606alexjones.htm

DHS:

Do you mean stuff like this?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

or the Larry Franklin affair.. who worked for Feith...

or the AIPAC influence...

or the Jonathan Pollard case...

or the questions lurking around the history of PROMIS software...

or Sibel Edmonds' allegations...

or Dov Zakheim's work as both comptroller for the Pentagon and for a company developing remote control technology for drones and airplanes...

It's all a mystery cloaked in an enigma hidden by the curtain of state secrets.

Happy B-Day, dz

Had I known, I'd have bought you a Guinness last weekend...

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TV: The World's Greatest Death Ray

Here's my few beams from the ray --

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=911+truth+chicago

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=johnhenryfaulk

jhf

Its Jules,

For the record, my mother is Jewish, from a Polish familiy, whose poorer members were mostly killed in death camps. I do not practice Judaism, but was brought up to respect the unique virtures of Jewish culture. I have more of a global view.

"Criminal Politics" is insulting to me on many levels. I find the entire publication morally bankrupt. I also recognize that the distribution of such material is dangerous to the movement. I spoke with a gentleman at the meeting in which the magazine was present who was upset at having payed for something that he found insulting. Now we have another example from Florida regarding the impact of this magazine.

And who is responsible?

Jon, you can not so easily dismiss the ardent concerns of those who offer you direct witness to the actions of others. Don't shoot the messenger.

I have no personal grudge against Les. But I also can't take him seriously as a national or local coordinator of 9/11 truth, knowing that he intentionally distributed this magazine. So I'll just go and do my own thing. Which I am.

But I also make an urgent call for accountability. We demand this of our leaders.

"I understand the problem. Les handed out literature he shouldn't have. Literature that caused some problems."

Right Jon, but "Another Opinion" has hijacked this thread with 40 long, tedious posts that could have been expressed in 3 sentences like you just did. Please don't indulge this guy any more.

P.S. Happy Birthday dz!!!

Suggestion: Open up a separate thread or go somewhere else is this Les thing is important.

"Video taken by an aircraft or drone showed the first strike as a massive explosion that sent plumes of smoke, dust and debris skyward and sideways. The "pilot in charge up there" then decided to drop a second 500-pound bomb, General Caldwell said.

The terrorist leader, he said, was dead by the time "we arrived there." Five others perished: Sheikh Rahman, one woman, one child, and two other men, he said, adding that identities for four of them had not been established. "

This is revolting, and makes me sick. There was no mention of the innocent lives taken in any of the msm's reports. Those fuckers.

i saw only 1 report today mention that we killed children.that Zarqawi picture could have been taken a year ago for all we know.(notice how his face was unscathed after being in a house with 2 500 pound bombs dropped on it.aint that perfect?)his family had a friggin funeral for him.......

is 911blogger gonna get the new movies up that were premiered in Chicago? one is by Kyle Hence,i forget what its called, and i forget the other one as well.i think one of them was about the jersey girls?

I would like to hear what people thought of "9/11: Press For Truth".

which one is that? and do you know the name of the other one?

sorry, i havent been around lately, got a lot of catching up to do.

To my knowledge, the movies that showed were:

Loose Change 3 (Preview)
9/11: Press For Truth (Preview)
Who Killed John O'Neill (Full)
From Freedom To Fascism (Full)

lakezoarian here- the parasite comment has absolutely nothing to do with race, and after 60 years since the holocaust it's time we all act as the equals we are, not fair to use that to advantage anymore. The reason I used that term is because Max came on late worked for a while then just vanished. Jules came on late, talked big about what he was going to contribute , did NOTHING, then vanished too. John Albanese was the only one I ever remember "walking out." I don't know what's up with Nick, and personally I liked him, too. A long time went by, and we never heard from any of them, and then... John's film comes out, and then... Les gets attacked.

all he did was put some pics in it... jesus.. i bought a copy from him in sf last year... it was on c-span!!!!

i thought that les was from marin county ca... no?? if so why the fuck is he even in ny???
inside | 06.08.06 - 12:37 pm | #

ok im a retard.. i was thinking les was ken jenkins(who put out drgs video)... so ive never met les or bought anything off of him...

sorry..

Loose Change 3 (Preview)
9/11: Press For Truth (Preview)
Who Killed John O'Neill (Full)
From Freedom To Fascism (Full)
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.08.06 - 6:31 pm | #
only a preview? that sucks. was From Freedom to Fascism good? i was really looking forward to seeing that. i hope its on Google soon.

I didn't get to see it. I watched, "9/11: Press For Truth", and "Who Killed John O'Neill".

I have a whole write up of it here...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10535

Happy Birthday DZ!!!!!!!

Was Just watching CBS news where they were essentially giving a history of the horrible crimes of Islamic Terrorists starting with Zargawi, then Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl. They even had Daniel Pearl' s father on saying this was war to protect out civilization. It was blatant propaganda, sort of an overview their succsessful "terror bogey man" psyop.
I can only think of the June 19th continuation of government drill, and shudder.
As Alex states:
"The end of Al-Zarqawi should be a concern for all westerners because it can be added to the pile of evidence to suggest the men behind the curtain are creating a storyboard on which to later pin a staged terror attack blamed on Al-Qaeda and carried out supposedly in revenge for the elimination of Al-Zarqawi."

I just watched this story board live on CBS!!!!!!

I'd like to see them have Marianne Pearl on.

If someone were to say to you, "If there were explosives in the building, why didn't they go off when the planes hit?", what would your response be?

Jon-

I would say: "It doesn't matter what actually happened that day. The media would just pump out whatever story those in power wanted them to. Just look at WTC7"

Jon:
My answer would be. Why would they go off when the planes hit?

I watched that bomb footage MSM montage the other day and it got me thinking... what was coverage like on Sept 12th?

Someone should do a comparison video... when did the whitewashing begin?

or my answer would be:

Some witnesses state that explosions occured before and after the planes hit.

Jon,

whose to say some didnt go off. There was quite an explosion as the planes hit.

They dont necessarily have to be linked all over. They could be radio sensitive timers, cell-based timers.

there is no reason to expect a chain reaction would occur. Some of these explosives can be VERY stable, until the triggering is fired.

Another possibility. The planes were homed in to the impact area the handlers wanted. Could have been a transponder located inside the building - a homing beacon - that set of a signal. They didn't need to put explosives on the general impact floors, the planes would do enough there.

But I like the first idea better.

"It uses light energy to initiate a chemical reaction to heat polycrystalline iron whiskers to 2000ºC within 0.5–1.5 seconds, which in turn ignites a thermite puck."

http://maic.jmu.edu/Journal/7.1/focus/barthold/barthold.htm

I've seen thermite needs to be ignited by temperatures from 1200 to 2000 degrees C.

How hot does Jet Fuel burn? Weren't there reports that the fires within the building barely reached 500 degrees? I don't know... this isn't my thing.

Jon, do you mean like this?

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/HotTherm.jpg

Some forms of Thermite will only be set off by another chemical additive.

"Thermite did not ignite when heated with a propane torch.

"Superthermites" use tiny particles of aluminum known as "nanoaluminum" (

Thermite did not ignite when heated with a propane torch.

"Superthermites" use tiny particles of aluminum known as "nanoaluminum" (

"Thermite did not ignite when heated with a propane torch.

"Superthermites" use tiny particles of aluminum known as "nanoaluminum"

"Which brings me to an intersesting encounter at the conference bar with an obviouse undercover informant, I believe from the Homeland security within the local Chicago police department"

Do you clowns see boogeymen underneath EVERY bed? You sacks of paranoid crap have been, are, and will be the butt of jokes across the nation. You walking bags of excrement will continue to toil at the margins of society.

If you're feeling lonely or depressed, go and see a Charlie Sheen movie.....LOL....

BTW that was not a Charles Mason T-shirt. That was his own face on his own t-shirt. sheesh

I have just finished listening to Prof. Jones interveiw on the Alex Jones Radio Show concerning the new scientific evidence. Prof. Jones states he has received two samples of scraping taken from WTC steel. Those ssamples have been tested and it has been confirmed that there is taces of thermite and high levels of sulf which conclue that thermate is present.

What next, IMO, the United States Attorney General now has a "duty" by law to have a look at this evidence and start an investigation immediately into this newly discovered proof.

I think a letter should be written that demands the Attorney General do his duty and investigate. The letter should be posted on every Truth Movement Forum and copied by all that believe that it is vital that we have a new investigation into 9/11.

If the Attorney General receives tens of thousands of thes letters he will have to look at these finds by Prof Jones and reveiw the scientific evidence.

Should that be done and concerned, the Attorney General is bound by law to demand all the steel the government has in it's posession must be turned over to the Attorney General office so the steel doesn't suddenly disappear.

This new evidence amounts to Treason and Mass Murder, this procedure would be standard in any least degree crime. The latest polls show almost 70 million people believe the U.S. government was complicit in 9/11, we should now take action to guareentee that all steel from the WTC, in the hands of the government is quickly secured as it is clearly evidence in mass murder.

We can do something right now, the time is at hand, action in light of this new evidence is a must! Remember, it is the "duty' of the Attorney General to investigate evidence to Treason, never the less any crime against the nation! We have the power to see he does his sworn "duty." There is no possible way he can overlook this new evidence if we shove it in his face.

If he doesn't respond to this new evidence there are legal avenues available to us
holding him responsible!
Scaffold Rider.

RP... I know two of them have.
Jon Gold

I know two of them have what?

Endorsed the movie.

Hey folks,

Haven't posted in a good while. Hope you've all be well! Anyways, I saw that people were wondering how thermite is ignited. It requires a lot of heat to start the reaction, but can be done with magnesium. You can light the magnesium with a blowtorch (or anything that can generate a similar amount of heat), and then the magnesium lights the thermite.

S.

Think! Think logically!

Premise:

911 truth is not going anywhere without the MSM.

Solution:

MAKE a newspaper or magazine run IN DEPTH articles on the front page.

You need to OCCUPY the offices until they do it.

Please make suggestions as to what non-violent means can be used to FORCE nation-wide publication, given 1000 people.

Then get 1000 people together and do it.

It NEEDs to be done in the USA.

You must pre-empt cointelPro by saying THAT YOU WORK ON THE PUBLICATION FULL WELL KNOWING THERE ARE CROP_CRICLE MOON_HOAX PEOPLE PLANTED BY "the secret team" in your midst.

Scaffoldrider I agree completely with your approach. Mr. Jones is waiting for the conclusive results, the results he has now are preliminary. And we should wait too, its too big to foul this up by moving to fast with this evidence.I have to say that I am also concerned about how he received his sample, I far as I can tell their is no definitive proof of where the samples actually came from, except for the word of the individual that supplied it. Mr. Jones seems to be adequately convinced of the source for these preliminary tests but I would be very cautious before we start jumping up and down with this smoking gun (or smoking metal). I'm not saying that thermite and sulfur won't be found on confirmed pieces of the trade centers, but if we found out the original source of this preliminary sample was not legitamate, we won't even be able to get to the point of testing the real thing and all of Jone's work could be tarred permanently by this.

Jon, Have the two who have endorsed it seen the final cut, is there a final cut?

Not to piss on the parade but didnt 90% of the U.S. population feel JFK was assasinated by our government, and did we ever have a reasonble investigation, no. So we keep spreading the word how our we going to create a different outcome?

Zarqawi episode is cover for the real life "Jarhead" movies going on in Iraq.

Kilo company has been using their rifles.

Zarqawi is Scene III in the War Story written by Bush.

Zarqawi's death sets the stage for revenge -- retaliation, another attack on the INFIDELS.

June 19 - Government disaster drill at Whitehouse sets a safe backdrop... if they get caught, they will have a cover story.

The NEXT ATTACK may be imminent, 6/19. or maybe a little later.

BET YOUR KIDS' COLLEGE FUNDS - there will be some major US action prior to November.

.... in a War Story according to Bush

Glad to see others finally discussing the missing DRG video from NYC 10/05. Almost every time I ask about it Im ignored like Im on some pay-no-mind list. If done with appropriate vids and pictures I beleive this video will be the strongest 911 truth video to date. I have listened to the audio many times and its a rock solid "how fucking stupid can you be" 8th grade physics talk. This video shown with 911 Revisited will be a case closed presentation for doubters in my opinion. I have thought about this video daily for monthes because I am not satisfied with the whole of most other vids we have to choose from. I have a few very hard skulls to penetrate and I have been very impatiently waiting. PLEASE KEEP US POSTED ON THIS VIDEO! I thought Ken Jenkins was suppose to be doing this video anyway (?).

I see Terrence is back. He was away for a while, perhaps reporting into "Central" and arming himself with such erudite and well-reasoned expressions as "walking bags of excrement". Personally, I'd feel filthier and more insulted if he thought I was signatory to the PNAC documents or a 9/11 Commissioner. If being associated with inquiry is my crime, then I say "Curiosity is the best toy in the store." If standing up for the Constitution and the Republic defines my class, then I have the Founding Fathers backing me up. If we will go down in the flames of failure, then I am quite happy to be in the company I'm in.

Hey JAYBIRD

have you seen Ken Jenkins OLD video?

I find it is quite useful to give
hard-skulls the historical perspective. This video does it well.

Perspectives on 911

Perspectives on 911 DVD VHS Ken Jenkins production. Features highlights from about 10 other documentaries, including excerpts from Oliver Stone's JFK, Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor, Out of the Blue, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Aftermath, The Great Deception, Painful Deceptions, and the highlights from the First International Citizens Inquiry on 9-11, held in March of 2004.

Can someone upload a High-Quality version?

Ah yes.. I just started my own blog.

http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/

and there is a phenomenon that I cannot explain.

NEWS.GOOGLE.COM .. ht eholy grail of BEING ON THE RECORD has this BLOG listed!

on the right hand of my blog, click on
911 conspiracy and you are take to a DATE-sorted GOODLE-NEWS search of the same.

and this Hammer of Truth BLOG is listed!! AND EVERYONE CAN COMMENT!!!

I think Steven Jones is the one that is going to really force this into the public, and I hope they will support him when he does. There's no squirming around his findings!!!!!
Radical Pragmatist | 06.08.06 - 9:52 pm | #

I agree. The movement has gained credebility with him like never before.

And when a couple of his colleauges join him in his research things are really going to get serious. Let's just hope they have the courage to that sooner rather than later.

"Which brings me to an intersesting encounter at the conference bar with an obviouse undercover informant, I believe from the Homeland security within the local Chicago police department"

Do you clowns see boogeymen underneath EVERY bed? You sacks of paranoid crap have been, are, and will be the butt of jokes across the nation. You walking bags of excrement will continue to toil at the margins of society.

If you're feeling lonely or depressed, go and see a Charlie Sheen movie.....LOL....
Terrence | Homepage | 06.08.06 - 10:33 pm | #

^ LOL, I actually watched Hot Shots Part Deux yesterday, I expected to see you in it Terrence, being a comedian yourself. But then I realized duh, wrong movie, youÂ’re in South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut, so should have remembered I love that song you do, you know;

"Shut your fucking face uncle fucka, You're a cock sucking ass licking uncle fucka, You're an uncle fucka, yes its true Nobody fucks uncles quite like you.”

Love it Terrence, love it! How's your fart buddy Philip, I mean Shill King, sry I mean S.King? Both of you still earning a good wage committing treason?

Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group

15 hours of hell at the hands of immigration who knew they were coming

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 8 2006

Alex Jones and his team were detained by Canadian immigration on orders of the Bilderberg Group for a 15 hour nightmare of interrogation, accusations and threats of arrests in anticipation of the conference in Ottawa which starts today.

The group were detained at 11:45pm last night and only released after 2pm today.

Customs openly told Alex as soon as they brought him into custody that the Bilderberg Group was aware of his arrival and that this was the reason for his detainment. All three members of the team were instantly detained despite going through different immigration desks.

Officials knew everything about Alex, even the fact that George W. Bush had once had him arrested in 1998.

"I was screamed at, I was cussed at, I was interrogated," said Alex.

Jail threats were issued as officials seized and searched through Alex's equipment for 15 hours. He was told that if any trace of pornography was found on his three computers that he would be arrested.

"They were talking about how I was a criminal - they hooked our laptop computers up and said that if they found any porn, even mainstream porn, that it's illegal to take it across lines and that we'd be going to jail," said Alex, thanking God that no trace of any porn was found on his office computers.

Searches continued throughout the night and again in the morning.

Immigrations officials seemed to take a gleeful satisfaction in detaining the team, claiming they were liars and not part of the media despite one admitting to having seen an Alex Jones documentary. Accusations of drugs and weapons smuggling were thrown around without recourse.

"You Americans shit all over us Canadians think you can do anything you want to us," said one immigration official who was acting more like a drill sergeant.

Towards the end of the ordeal national media, including the Ottawa Citizen and CBC, got wind of what was unfolding and sent journalists to the airport to talk to Alex.

A CBC journalist vouched for the fact that Alex was in the media and that she was planning on interviewing him, after also being subjected to a barrage of questions by officials.

At this point immigration officials sharply changed their attitude, reversed a likely decision to deport the team and by the end were apologetic and conciliatory about the entire issue.

Alex would like to make it clear that the immigration officials on the whole were just doing what they were told in trying to prove who Alex was and they should not be the focus of any vitriol. Alex himself admits that his behavior was not perfect and he smarted off a couple of times when he should have remained quiet. The major element of this story is that the pressure was brought to bear by Bilderberg.

The point to emphasize again is that it was brazenly stated that the Bilderberg Group were behind the decision to detain Alex and his team. Bilderberg have acquired a notorious reputation of harassing journalists, including Jim Tucker and Daniel Estulin, who are simply trying to report on a meeting of the world's most influential powerbrokers.

The immigrations officials said that their reason for detaining Alex was because they feared he was in the country to infiltrate the Bilderberg meeting.

Since being allowed to enter the country the team have been watched and tracked by several nefarious individuals and also followed by car.

The team booked a decoy hotel in order fool Bilderberg security as to their real location. The decoy hotel has been receiving numerous calls from individuals within Bilderberg's Brooke Street hotel - despite the fact that Alex told no one he was staying there.

Further reports on this incident and developments from the Bilderberg conference itself will feature here over the next few days.

u2r2h- yea Ive seen Perspectives on 911. Thanks.

My curiosity is peeked too. Why 8 months to process a video???

Can dz or someone else shed some light on this?

i.e., the missing DRG video from NYC 10/05.^

"Jon, Have the two who have endorsed it seen the final cut, is there a final cut?"

They're making some tweeks, but yes, they have endorsed the movie you saw.

"Which brings me to an intersesting encounter at the conference bar with an obviouse undercover informant, I believe from the Homeland security within the local Chicago police department"

Do you clowns see boogeymen underneath EVERY bed? You sacks of paranoid crap have been, are, and will be the butt of jokes across the nation. You walking bags of excrement will continue to toil at the margins of society.

If you're feeling lonely or depressed, go and see a Charlie Sheen movie.....LOL....
Terrence | Homepage | 06.08.06 - 10:33 pm | #
whos worse? us "clowns", or the jackass(that would be you) that stays obbsessed wtih us to the point of running a blog about us and spouting off about us every single day? the jokes on you douche.

yes, they have endorsed the movie you saw.
Jon Gold

Excellent !!!!

About the 'missing' DRG 10/5 DRG video.......I have a pretty good copy of DRG's presentation from West Hatford CT on 11/ 05 (?). I don't know if its the same speech, but he says at the begining of his presentation that he will be reading mostly from his notes because it is a new speech focussing mostly on the demolition of the towers. If its the same speech I can provide it.

If any one has any further information let me know.

Thanks,Radical Pragmatist, your absolutely correct!

Thanks Jon Gold for your Zarkawi compilation. Just worked it out for our german 911 newsletter.

np.