Jimmy,
That's an interesting video.
Thanks for sharing it.
Cloak & Swagger | Homepage | 06.14.06 - 7:00 pm | #

Spread the word pass it around. Thats a serious serious video.

I'm not sure. I actually posted this to get your thoughts. What do the rest of you think?

"But given that the facts are so easy to dispute about the Saddam-9/11 connection, isn't this an easy in to talk about 9/11?"

Wouldn't it be easier to convert the people who know we were lied to in the runup to Iraq? It seems like they would be easier to persuade than taking someone from the far right all the way over to "9/11 was an inside job". That's a much more distant path to follow.

I have long maintained that the 911 issue can be seen as a National ID Test; that the important "intelligence" in this regard is not merely military or political, but human intelligence in general.

There are going to be a certain percentage (perhaps 20 - 30%) of the population that will NEVER get it until, they see their favorite news man on TV tell them it's true.
(See Intelligence Bell Curve basics at http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/IQBasics.html)

We as a movement need to focus on those citizens with the ability to both understand and move forward with 911 truth. Most of the rest will follow along eventually.

I'd elaborate further but my own intelligence is being compromised by
a fever I'm dealing with :)

Many don't care about 9/11 but only Iraq because only there are troops away from home and taking casualties. People have to be made aware that the War On Terror/Iraq/Afghanistan does not just affect the troops. The 2 trillon deficit is what everyone will have to pay down. It's not "just a number". Endless waste to fight terrorism that in reality never existed in the alleged dimension, and probably never will.

Maybe a repost: Dr Steven Jones has the power in the 9/11 movement and I hope he uses is wisely and quickly. The world can't wait.

And why are we targeting others besides Weldon...Kucinich say?

It is pretty much a hopeless case with some people. I have a friend who I think is typical of many out there. He is not a Faux junkie or anything, he just buys somewhat into the tough guy stuff and said he would've voted Dem. if they had presented a more assertive candidate than Kerry.

Anyway, when I began to tell him how the war on terror is a scam, he gave me the B.S. about wanting to protect ourselves no matter what and that we couldn't take any chances after 9/11 if we had concerns about Saddam. That's where I broke into this big dissertation about how if we are going to punish countries with ties to terror and to Al Qaeda and 9/11 more specifically, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia would be number one on the hit list. At that point, he just said "oh, I didn't really understand the differences between these countries." My point is, to much of America, brown people are brown people and many idiots think the middle east is all savages who hate the way Americans live and these people make no distinction between the various countries. I don't know how you beat straight ignorance like that, but just keep pounding the point that the freaking head of Pakistani intelligence (which is basically an American intel satellite), their CIA head, freaking directed 100 grrrr to the alleged mastermined Mr. Scary Atta and met with congressional intel leaders on 9/11. The only thing they can say in return is that this didn't receive mainstream coverage, but tell them it was confirmed by the FBI.

Those people who have a "voice", and can make the television listen to them have families don't they? Don't they care enough about their children to speak up? To hell with their money. Would their money save their children who happen to work in the next target of the American Government? Kelsey Grammar's producer died on one of the flights that hit the towers I believe. His money didn't save him.

i think it is important to remember the law enforcement and firemen who died that day

Part of the reason I do what I do is for those firemen, and policemen who lost their lives that day...

I have often been told I'm far left, or too liberal. But what does this have to do with anything? Isn't this all about Truth vs. Fiction, Right vs. Wrong, or Good vs. Evil?

I can't remember where I read this, or where I heard about it, but a while back ago I recall a conversation between a 9/11 Truth seeker and a surviving NYC fireman. This particular person mentioned to the fireman about how he'd feel if he found out 9/11 was orchestrated by someone other than Al Qaida. The fireman then responded along the lines of "if 9/11 was not done by anyone other than OBL, then I don't want to know about it...because then I'd have to do something about it".

Denial?

All this said, I think it's time for the 9/11 truth movement to begin to finally remove so to speak, the "key puzzle pieces" numerous as they are that are taken out of context/false. Now I know one can be called a "disinfo shill" for saying there is many false theories/"evidence"/things taken out of context that keep getting parroted as "truth"...but if you want to make an airtight case, you cant have these pieces that dont even belong there.

Sorry, but you wont convince people with a government document they released themselves like Northwoods, or PNAC's own words, or Bush's bro once belonging to a security group that oversaw security at the WTC.

It's gotta be solid, and to do that people have to get off their "No Arabs/Arabs were just patsies" trip.
Because if you think the US government planned 9/11, that al Qaeda and Islamic extremists were completely not involved...you have to ignore stuff not coming from our own media, but from terrorists own words on al Jazeera and their own sites. They may have been loosely affiliated with CIA funding at one point, but I seriously doubt "al Qaeda"(however named by the CIA) is somehow working for the CIA.

Not just denial, but also possibly a lack of social/patriotic responsibility.
Or maybe fear of that responsibility?
What is there to fear with patriotic responsibilities?

As far as I'm concerned, you don't even have to look at 99% of the evidence to understand, beyond a reasonable doubt, what had happened.

PNAC is being implemented page by page right before our eyes. Is this, along with some common sense, not enough?

The bottomline is people do not want their boat rocked. Some people are perfectly content with their lives. Remember, not everyone has a true care for, or a desire to learn about this great country. People act patriotic because the news says so. Not because they ever took time to read the contstitution or bill of rights. Most Americans can't even tell you when the war of 1812 was, or who was in it. Most Americans think "the right to own a pet" is on the Bill of Rights.

The key is not to expose 911 truth but to teach people what true freedom is and what our forefathers truely had in mind for this country.

"The fireman then responded along the lines of "if 9/11 was not done by anyone other than OBL, then I don't want to know about it...because then I'd have to do something about it".

This is what I was talking about earlier... moving them to action. This is not DENIAL so much as it is RESTRAINT OF ANGER that wants to explode in violence. I am not and will not advocate violence. Our challenge is to educate people to re-direct and unleash that anger into some form of action... protest, letter-writing, community action, political action, something. I, like many here, find an outlet in blogging, in researching, in sharing what others have created, found or researched, in the hopes that someone willsome power or influence will read it and awaken and move to action. Yes, it is frustrating... I've given up several times, only to re-group and re-invest my time. I take heart from the fact that there are others, and that our numbers are increasing.

Once this beautiful country is taken away and all their freedoms and way of life are gone, only then will they pull the wool up from over their eyes and ask themselves "WTF happened"?

>point, but I seriously doubt "al >Qaeda"(however named by the CIA) is >somehow working for the CIA.
>pockybot | 06.14.06 - 4:45 pm | #

Why would anyone doubt that? The fake videos, and now just recently more 'confessions', like naming the 20th hijacker for 9/11.
If they were NOT part of CIA, they would debunk the fake videos. But they aren't and the CIA is every single time 'authenticating' them, so the fake was done by the CIA.

"The key is not to expose 911 truth but to teach people what true freedom is and what our forefathers truely had in mind for this country."

Sorry, my previous post was quoting the above.

I agree that the CIA 'hijacked' Osama's *real* 'al Quaida' organisation by infiltrating/replacing it with their own agents. The original al Quaida did the embassy bombings because ol' Osama wanted U.S. to pull out of Saudi Arabia but no more. Then Osama died and ever since the CIA was free to fake videos because 'dead people can't speak'.

Al Qaeda's General: The Death Of Zarqawi, On at 10pm on BBC2.

For my fellow UK residents the above programme is on tonight. It will be interesting to see the current BBC spin in this.

Sometimes I feel that the only way we'll see change is if we iniate and lose world war 3.

I mean Germany is pretty cool now, right?

I think there’s too much categorisation, people are people and it's only when they’re viewed as "unreachable" etc, do communication problems emerge. On 9/11 I actually remember thinking that maybe Saddam had something to do with it. For me to say, “anyone who thinks Saddam had something to do with 9/11 is stupid or unreachable” would be big time hypocrisy. And it would be a totally inaccurate assessment to make also. Anybody can question the events of 9/11, it just depends on what sparks their interest and scepticism. I clearly recall certainly not feeling any need to question the events of that day, but here I am now. So I think America is place where the "dive and conquer" scam can be smashed if people just dropped this us Vs them bullshit for a second. That's something that I think the 9/11-truth movement should instigate and incorporate as a large part of the message along side getting to the truth.

^LOL what's up with that double post ish!

If you must spend your precious 911 Truth energy on a member of that last %, it probably helps to be aware of the Asch conformity experiments, "a high proportion (33%) conformed to the erroneous majority view of the others in the room"; along with George Washington's fine article on "Social Proof".

Wield the Zogby poll on these people. Just be sure you've already given out some DVDs that day!

I have often been told I'm far left, or too liberal. But what does this have to do with anything? Isn't this all about Truth vs. Fiction, Right vs. Wrong, or Good vs. Evil?
Anoymous | 06.14.06 - 4:37 pm | #
you can never be too far left. hahahaha,jk.but yeah, Al Qaeda were the perfect patsies, dont kid yourself. im not saying Al Qaeda is CIA from top to bottom, but they are clearly deeply infiltrated and controlled by more than just "Tim Osman", known CIA asset.

The spin with the psyop asset "Zarqawi" should also be revealed.

Desperate Bush administration ends already blown Zarqawi deception
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHI20060...

Please watch this video and you will see that 9/11 has probably been planned for years and years. Not that it actually deals with the 9/11 issues but it's none the less a very important key to understanding what is really going on in this world.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827&q=Norman+Dodd

I'm just saying there is this natural skepticism to question everything. But I think rigorous thinking should be applied to everything. People said the CIA killed Nick Berg...only for the subsequent videos to be just like the first one showing it was "al Qaeda in Iraq". People say Zarqawi isnt dead...or that the CIA is using cgi to send out fake Zwahiri(Osama's right hand man) videos.

Also people say "Oh that journalist, this movie, that pundit only points to LIHOP".

Well newsflash: LIHOP is a LOT better than "incompetence".

I have a hard time believing the CIA faked the video wills of 5 of the hijackers, faked the video of some of the hijackers training at camps in Afghanistan with maps, faked the 9/11 airline security footage, faked the Atta "everyone stay calm" call to the FAA that we've all heard, etc.

We've had SO many FBI people and Lt. Col's come forth that prove the FBI was forced off the trail of al Qaeda, Osama or the hijackers. However, where is ANY of the air force, NORAD etc people coming forward about the supsicious air defense response time?
My belief is that by the luck of the neocons things were all screwed up, and that only Flight 77 could have been taken out...which we know Cheney allowed to hit.

People say "fake planes"...do the big planes parts that littered Manhattan streets look like parts from a remote control plane? People say Bush planned 9/11...again, this defies logic in so many ways.

Isn't it possible, that if the inside job theory is more correct than LIHOP, that they simply latched onto the real al Qaeda plot without them ever knowing? Why does everything have to be 'fake', why does al Qaeda have to be merely a puppet of the CIA?
Again, questioning the logic in some of the theories should be allowed.
Weve already seen people promoting bogus "no plane" theories, what else is bogus distortions?

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon huh? got proof?

"I have a hard time believing the CIA faked the video wills of 5 of the hijackers, faked the video of some of the hijackers training at camps in Afghanistan with maps, faked the 9/11 airline security footage, faked the Atta "everyone stay calm" call to the FAA that we've all heard, etc."

Do you really think Atta & friends were jihadists and not something like "patsy" drug traffickers in training? You really think Atta & friends flew those jets?

Also, after 100s of hours of study, I've come to believe that the three aircraft that hit their targets were probably unmanned drones that were switched with the airliners, as per Operation Northwoods.

Jimmy,
That's an interesting video.
Thanks for sharing it.

Atta had a stripper girlfriend and one hell of a coke problem(he had an endless supply of it too. hmmmmmm.)doesnt sound like a true jihadist to me.

interview with Attas girlfriend:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7746174590105525480

With swapped planes, they had commercial flights taking off, for natural realism. Then more reliable, modified drones were utilized to hit the targets, w/no agents on board.

..."Recently, Howard Dean and Madeline Albright were privately talking (possibly lamenting) about how they are being asked questions about 9/11 Truth Issues where ever they go on the road. These powerful democrats may not be addressing 9/11 issues publicly, but they are being forced to address these issues quietly. Dean and Albright must know that more and more people are asking these questions. Even a year ago, politicians may not have been 'hearing' these questions from the public like they are 'hearing' them today. It's possible that a low-level persistence of questions from the public will, in some unforeseen way, advance this cause."

Absolutely keep hammering those politicians!!! They can only resist us so long!

Jihadists my ass!

Jimmy, thank you for the link to this video (Illuminati: The Hidden Agenda for World Government):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827&q=Norman+Dodd
It is a very revealing interview.

pockybot,
the best proof that the al-Qaeda videos (not necessarily everything about it) are fake is what the Osama-impersonator said in his 'confession' video. He said
"we knew the gas from the planes would melt the iron structure [of the WTC]"
- It does not get more obvious than this: telling propaganda-addicted republicans a false explanation why the towers collapsed.

About Zarqawi and the beheadings: they recruited real terrorists of course, but maintain sufficient control over them. Like Moussaoui: he hoped to be pardoned by Bush, then 'confessed', then said he was innocent. Like Webster Tarpley said (and he is the authority here) these guys are psychotics, unaware of the big picture.

Yes, the mentally ill, especially schizophrenics, make good patsies, because even when captured they can't comprehend the whole operation, nor can they adequately explain what was really going on.

Examples of this are Lee Harvey Oswald being the fall guy in the murder of JFK, & of course Moussaoui as an al-Qaeda "poster-boy" to publicize the "official story."

"pockybot,the best proof that the al-Qaeda videos (not necessarily everything about it) are fake is what the Osama-impersonator said in his 'confession' video. He said
"we knew the gas from the planes would melt the iron structure [of the WTC]"

Exactly Greg, why would Osama even bother explaining these implicit details, speaking like an arson investigator or something.

"It's gotta be solid, and to do that people have to get off their "No Arabs/Arabs were just patsies" trip."

Many experienced pilots, both military and commercial, have said it would take a very high level of skill to hit the targets, which the alleged hijackers clearly did not possess. Why would you assume they actually flew the planes? Were you on the planes?