Blogcritics.org Posts DVD Review of Loose Change Second Edition

DVD Review: Loose Change Second Edition - Blogcritics.org

Perfunctory conspiracy theory slathered and drowned in conjecture? Yes, there’s plenty of conjecture, the same type of pedestrian and Fox-newsian we-report-you-decide type of inference that inflict the intellectual with vomit-inducing aversion. But the arguments presented in the documentary, Loose Change Second Edition, are compelling to say the least.
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The film looks into just about all the angles one can think of and digs into them with an unforgiving cadence. He doesn’t start with 9/11 itself and then spider outward with his debunking. Au contraire, he begins with Cuba in the 60s and plans by the American government to crash drone planes in Cuba and then claim a passenger plane filled with students was shot down by the Cubans. Plans that were derogated by Kennedy who soon fired Lyman Lemnitzer, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, who came up with the plot.

The movie then starts unfurling huge amounts of data in a timeline until it leads to 9/11/2001, but not before revealing a document released in September of 2000 by a thinktank called The Project for a New American Century. The document, called Rebuilding America’s Defenses, stipulates “the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor” (Page 50-51).

Members of this thinktank include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, and Paul Wolfowitz. If that doesn’t reek of conspiracy, I don’t know what does, but one must remain skeptical and critical. There’s much more meat to chew on in this introductory timeline alone, but to run them all here would make this review far too dispendious of your time.
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Just my blurting it out like this simply doesn’t do the film justice. Avery isn’t simply rambling on about conspiracies. The man did his homework. He piles the evidence on sharply and efficiently and doesn’t infer but states his opinion clearly for all to hear. But the documentary is simply an over-sized PowerPoint slide-show presentation and this constitutes its weak point. But having made this film with loose change, it would be difficult to expect more.

This film, as anything that criticizes the actions of the government following the attacks, is harshly criticized itself. But the film’s detractors' arguments also stand up as well. I won’t go into them here because there are far too many of them. To look them up, start with a Wikipedia search of Loose Change.

The factuality of the film’s arguments is in question, no doubt. You get a feeling from the film that the reason for the carpet bombing of evidence and facts is a tool to distract the viewer from seeing the manipulation of evidence and quotes to achieve a desired result or conclusion not unlike an O’Reilly Factor episode.

Be sure to swing by and post a few comments, and stay on top of other Loose Change news over at loosechange911.com

Thanks to Jon Gold for the heads up!

Seems like a fairly balanced

Seems like a fairly balanced review.

Does anyone know if Dylan Avery plans of "tightening up" his claims regarding the Pentagon event, in Loose Change 2? That appears to be the weakest part of what is, for the most part, an outstanding work. I base this on info I found at:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/pentagon.html#debris
which reviews the entire video, and contradicts, through
photographic evidence, claims made by Avery, such as "no planes parts at the Pentagon" etc. From what I read, 911 Research appears to to a good job reveiwing Loose Change 2. Other opinions would be appreciated.

kind of weak how he compares

kind of weak how he compares it to Fox News though.

thats the irony is that fox

thats the irony is that fox news can cover anything as 'news', even if it is complete conspiracy theory - like the threat from iraq..

overall a good semi-balanced review, and unfortunately as good as we can really ask for it seems.

There seems to be a lot more

There seems to be a lot more "tightening up" to do. Just look at the website you are quoting. How much "gold" and "silver" is really in there? Loose Change Final cut can either seal the deal, or possibly(emphasis) help keep the movement exactly where it is. It is just a matter of how the public responds and if they are willing to accept Dylan's mistakes as merely mistakes. In my opinion, if "they" need to get Bush and co. out because of an uproar "they" will replace him and throw him to the dogs. Neocons seem more like patsies than masterminds to me most of the time. Not to say that Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz etc. are not in on it. Just a thought.

Alex, Loose Change Final Cut

Alex,

Loose Change Final Cut will supposively be 100% factual, other than that I don't know much else about it.

i agree, the neoconservative

i agree, the neoconservative movement was just a vessel for the real killers to take center stage and do what they do. Cheney is one of the few neocons truly in on it all in my opinion.he would have to be.neocons are puppets just like most regular conservatives and liberals are.

I am glad we can be sober

I am glad we can be sober now Chris after our little spat. No hard feelings. We are fighting quite an opposition here.

I suspect the NWO will force

I suspect the NWO will force Bush to resign just before the 9/11 truth movement gains full steam in the MSM.

For all we know, the US

For all we know, the US could be a giant Oswald for the NWO,G-8.

haha,cool. but cut Alex

haha,cool. but cut Alex Jones some slack, i disagree with his social stances too, but the guy has contributed so much.hes fighting the opposition just like us.

I agree to some extent,

I agree to some extent, perhaps I am a bit harsh. Everyone has their flaws and his t.v spots are usually solid gold.

Brian: you're right... 911

Brian: you're right... 911 research indicates a number of areas in loose Change 2 that need clarification.

dz... Thank you for letting me know about "Loose Change Final Cut". I really admire and appreciate what Dylan Avery and partners have accomplished so far, and I am confident he'll do his best to make this version the powerful, irrefutable video he envisioned.

If pentagon disinformation

If pentagon disinformation is real, this is scary, a lot of truthers beleive it.

kind of weak how he compares

kind of weak how he compares it to Fox News though.

Easy, with sentences like "you decide", "are you mad yet?" to name a few. It's not for me to decide nor anyone else, it's for the evidence to decide.

I loved the film, it was riveting and brang to light many issues I had never heard of. Like the lease on the WTC and wall street betting and whole lot more.

But when I get machined-gunned with information, it feels like brainwashing at one point and I get suspicious. And that's what Fox News does also, even though they are on the far right. When I feel manipulated I put on the breaks and re-evaluate everything.

Alex, I don't think the LC2

Alex, I don't think the LC2 "no planes parts at the Pentagon" is anywhere near the fatal flaw you are making it out to be.

How did a 100-ton Boeing get reduced to some scattered plane parts (which look like they belong to a smaller airplane anyway)??? (e.g., what happened to the 235 seats?)

Better yet, how did the gov't identify 63 of 64 passengers with DNA when you all that's left are a few plane parts??? Answer that, please!!!

All right, I'll even answere

All right, I'll even answere it for you^. The plane that struck the Pentagon was a drone containing no passengers. The DNA results were fabricated so as to lend credence to the official story that it was really AA77. Mystery solved.

Furthermore Alex, that LC2E

Furthermore Alex, that LC2E "debunking page" you linked to is b.s. I'm only 8 months into the truth, and even I can refute everything on there. Bring it on!

"Anonymous" said: "Alex, I

"Anonymous" said:
"Alex, I don't think the LC2 "no planes parts at the Pentagon" is anywhere near the fatal flaw you are making it out to be."

First of all, I never said or implied anything was a "fatal flaw". I refered to the information at:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/pentagon.html#debris
Did you look at it before posting?

Perhaps the American Airlines Boeing 757 parts in the photos were prepositioned - I don't know. All I know is to claim there were "no trace of Flight 77" without at least recognizing that there were Boeing 757 parts present takes away from the over-all credibility of what could be a great 911 video.

A B-757 smashes through

A B-757 smashes through numerous, massive concrete re-enforced walls @ 530 mph, & they DNA 99% of the passengers. I'm sorry, that's just bullshit!

Somebody tried to send me

Somebody tried to send me the debunking page. It looked like nothing more than an attempt to spin a spider web of personal attacks on the truth movement. Is there anything in that debunking page that actually debunks the facts that Loose Change 2 laid out?

Those scraps are what's left

Those scraps are what's left of a B-757?
On top of that, the ID'ed 99% of passengers. Are you kidding me?

Is there anything in that

Is there anything in that debunking page that actually debunks the facts that Loose Change 2 laid out?

No, Sir. It looks like slick double-talk to me.

I always say, if someone

I always say, if someone wants to debunk the 9/11 truth movement, then they should just use The 9/11 Commission Report as the backbone of their arguments.
It should make it easier for them, because they already have a primer to work from. It gives them all their talking points.
In fact, it should be the only resource they can consider, because any argument they propose with ideas developed outside of the 9/11 Commission Report makes them a theorist. The same kind of theorist they attack in their arguments.
Suddenly, they've become what they hate, and they didn't even know it.

According to the 9/11

According to the 9/11 commission and TSA and NTSB that 757 zoomed into the wall of the Pentagon at 530 mph - mere inches off the ground. This magic plane was "witnessed" by some close by bystanders none of which lost their hearing from the incredible noise from the aircraft whizzing past them. None of this bunk nor "witnesses" would last a second in any court of law.

The 757 went right over my

The 757 went right over my car and then hit the wall of the Pentagon, said one "witness". Gimme a break. LOL.

THanks a lot blob, third

THanks a lot blob, third link from the botom doesn't work. "02...ler" is in the hyperlink.

But when I get

But when I get machined-gunned with information, it feels like brainwashing at one point and I get suspicious. And that's what Fox News does also, even though they are on the far right. When I feel manipulated I put on the breaks and re-evaluate everything.
Dave | Homepage | 06.17.06 - 12:47 pm | #
i guess im not weak enough to be manipulated. Loose Change isnt perfect, but brainwashing? maybe to the reactionary(ive seen people call it anti-american) and weak minded.......

Cloak & Swagger said: "It

Cloak & Swagger said:
"It looked like nothing more than an attempt to spin a spider web of personal attacks on the truth movement."

Cloak, are we talking about the same site? It's not a "debunking" site. It simply points out ways Loose Change 2 needs to be more accurate. If you find any parts of the site that lie or mislead, please let me know waht they are.

"Anonymous" said:

"Anonymous" said: "Furthermore Alex, that LC2E "debunking page" you linked to is b.s. I'm only 8 months into the truth, and even I can refute everything on there. Bring it on!"

"Anonymous", please post one thing you feel is B.S. on the Petnagon section I've posted, and show why it is not true. I'm always ready to be educated:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/pentagon.html#debris

The third edition of Loose

The third edition of Loose Change will have to have a LOT of things taken out to be 100% "Factual"...

tho I suspect they may not even call it Loose Change, but something entirely different and may in fact have a whole new film. Why oh why do they not go into the forced FBI removal from investigating al Qaeda/Osama or the vast wealth of REAL provable things is beyond me.

This is where balance fucks

This is where balance fucks the truth... It rather pisses me off. Here is how it works the reader applies what they have already concluded before reading and this acts to reinforce their own opinion. It is not balance it is slight of hand, the one piece of reality this, yes prick leaves out is that almost every video about 9-11 informs the viewer that what they are presenting is a primer, all the while Bill "Fucktard" O'Liely is constantly telling people they should trust him...

The fact that this jerk even compares a shoestring budget to Faux news is a dead give away. He never mentions that Loose Change is intended as a primer and completely focuses on the messenger should tell you something about his motives....

Fair ---- No way

A link writers site:

http://theendofdave.com/?p=365

Is this to get a theatrical

Is this to get a theatrical release?

well put Wayne.

well put Wayne.

I'm guessing some of LC2E

I'm guessing some of LC2E remains because it is more "visual" than the incriminating facts revealed by FBI whistleblowers, for example. There are dozens of facts more incriminating than some sketchy photos of the Pentagon and competing claims about how much wreckage was found; but the No-Boeing material is visually interesting, and I suspect that is why it will remain. The sheer number of eyewitnesses who saw a plane hit the Pentagon should be reason enough at least to question the No-Boeing hypothesis.

The sheer number of

The sheer number of eyewitnesses who saw a plane hit the Pentagon should be reason enough at least to question the No-Boeing hypothesis.

Okay, lets go to the video tape. Oh, all 84 have been confiscated! The 1 released looks like a missle or drone. Sure, AA77 struck the Pentagon, Moussaui flew it 300 miles there. LOL.

Oh, sorry. I got my patsies

Oh, sorry. I got my patsies mixed up for a second. The highly accomplished "Hani Hanjour" flew AA77 into the Pentagon. (Still LOL!)

Alex, anyone who watches

Alex, anyone who watches LC2E and still believes ANY of the gov't version of 9/11 is either a fool or a liar. Which are you?

I see no one will even TOUCH

I see no one will even TOUCH my DNA question:

How did the gov't identify 63 of 64 passengers with DNA when all that's left are a few (suspicious plane) parts??? Answer please!!!

Even ignoring the fact that

Even ignoring the fact that a 757 is not a "jumbo-jet," and that the plane was not "incinerated," the idea that even severe fires render bodies unidentifiable is not supported. The 2003 Station Night Club fire in Rhode Island killed 97 people, but did not prevent their identification. Even if the conditions of a jetliner crash created especially severe fires, the flames would not be uniformly distributed, and bodies, which are 70% moisture, would tend to outlast aluminum, which burns fairly easily.

What a crock of shit, Alex! Did the 97 people in the Road Island get blasted through conrete walls @ 530 mph???

That site you linked is gov't disinfo just like "9/11 Myths."

"Loose Change Final Cut will

"Loose Change Final Cut will supposively be 100% factual, other than that I don't know much else about it."

Why isn't it 100% factual to begin with? It's like selling a car that's "not quite ready" to run.

"How did the gov't identify

"How did the gov't identify 63 of 64 passengers with DNA when all that's left are a few (suspicious plane) parts??? Answer please!!!"

There were plenty of body parts left from which the samples were taken.

"A B-757 smashes through

"A B-757 smashes through numerous, massive concrete re-enforced walls @ 530 mph, & they DNA 99% of the passengers. I'm sorry, that's just bullshit!"

What did they bury, manequins?

Alex..."photographic

Alex..."photographic evidence, claims made by Avery, such as 'no planes parts at the Pentagon'"

Stop playing semantics games with Avery's words. He never said there were no plane parts at the Pentagon. LC2E even shows "plane parts."

Those actually being parts from AA77 is an entirely different story.

IMO, AA77 did NOT strike the Pentagon!

"In fact, it should be the

"In fact, it should be the only resource they can consider, because any argument they propose with ideas developed outside of the 9/11 Commission Report makes them a theorist. The same kind of theorist they attack in their arguments."

That's flat out silly. The 9/11 Commission report is only a small part of all the investigations like NIST and is only a small part of the 2.5 million documents that make up the whole body of evidence behind all of the investigations.

tom, where did they bury

tom, where did they bury this "body parts"?

"IMO, AA77 did NOT strike

"IMO, AA77 did NOT strike the Pentagon!"

Why? Where did it go?

"tom, where did they bury

"tom, where did they bury this "body parts"?"

The passengers relatives buried them in various cemeteries. What did they bury?

"Okay, lets go to the video

"Okay, lets go to the video tape. Oh, all 84 have been confiscated! The 1 released looks like a missle or drone. Sure, AA77 struck the Pentagon, Moussaui flew it 300 miles there. LOL."

You need to stop joking around and be serious.

"Alex, anyone who watches

"Alex, anyone who watches LC2E and still believes ANY of the gov't version of 9/11 is either a fool or a liar. Which are you?"

What about all the non-governmentt versions that make up the evidence?

I have no time for your

I have no time for your bullshit, tom. And helping cover-up mass murder is in itself a VERY SERIOUS CRIME.

"The 757 went right over my

"The 757 went right over my car and then hit the wall of the Pentagon, said one "witness". Gimme a break. LOL."

Do you think watching AA77 hit the Pentagon was funny? Gimme a break.

"I have no time for your

"I have no time for your bullshit, tom."

I would say you're the one who's playing games. Get serious.

"The passengers relatives

"The passengers relatives buried them in various cemeteries. What did they bury?"

When were "passengers' bodies" ever returned to any families??? Not bodies of Pentagon occupants, but passangers' of AA77 bodies???

tom, you are covering-up the

tom, you are covering-up the perpetrators of mass muder. Some day you too will be held accountable.

Can we please ban anonymous

Can we please ban anonymous posters? This guy has been harping on the DNA at the pentagon for weeks and continues to act like it's all we need to know that 77 didn't hit the pentagon, but obviously has no expertise on the topic, or any interest in helping the movement, or else he'd quit trying to divide us into factions.

Can we ban frauds like carn,

Can we ban frauds like carn, who is obviously a shill trying to conceal evidence?

My remarks about tom covering-up for the perpetrators of mass muder apply to you as well, carn.

Can either of you phonies

Can either of you phonies refute my claim that the DNA "evidence" at the Pentagon was fabricated?

I've already refuted it, but

I've already refuted it, but you ignore it. Why does it matter so much to you whether 77 hit the pentagon or not? I would assume it's because you aren't aware of the much more compelling information on other topics.

Also, please understand that anyone who tries to redirect your enthusiasm toward topics that might actually help the movement are doing more good than you are. Calling them shills is not only ignorant, but counter-productive. The pentagon is extremely divisive. If your goal is to segment us into factions so that we can't unite to get anything accomplished, you're doing a good job.

I've already refuted it, but

I've already refuted it, but you ignore it.
where?

If your goal is to segment us into factions so that we can't unite to get anything accomplished, you're doing a good job.
Spoken like a true shill--Gee, lets not examine evidence because it's divisive.

Face it, the Pentagon is a huge smoking gun!

- Hani Hanjour could not have flown back from the Kentucky/Ohio to D.C.

- Hanjour could have not made that incredible maneuver in a B-757 to hit the renovated section of the Pentagon.

- A B-757 would NOT make a hole the size of a missile in the Pentagon.

- 80 videos of whatever hit the Pentagon are being withheld for no damn good reason except to cover-up. The only video released looks like a missile or a drone.

- There is no way they could ID a planeload of people that smashed into the Pentagon @ 530 mph. The fictitious DNA results were made to bolster the official story.

http://www.commonwealthclub.o

http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/02/02-04mueller-speech.html

Robert S. Mueller III
Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation

Speech Commonwealth Club San Fransisco
4/19/2002

Link that didn´t seem to work before.

Bold is cruise control for

Bold is cruise control for cool. It's obvious you're too narrow-minded to even consider any of the evidence that is way more "smoking gun" than the pentagon. This would be fine as long as you didn't try to start arguments at every opportunity. Since this is not the case, you're a problem.

Also, there's no such thing as a in a"B-757." You've got your planes confused.

80 videos being confiscated means something fishy is up, but in no way points to a missile being used.

The hole in the pentagon was 90 feet wide. Of course you already knew that and chose to ignore that evidence.

Hanjour's piloting skills were indeed questionable, but 77 hitting the pentagon is a different issue entirely from who the pilot was at the time. That and "he wasn't skilled enough to do it" is not solid evidence.

And finally, you have no expertise on DNA and it is extremely unlikely that the collision destroyed all of it, so you should really drop that from your list.

Many of the top minds of the movement have recommended that we not continue to argue about the pentagon. So when you inevitably call me a shill again, know that you're also calling all those guys shills too.

P.S. Grow some balls and type a name, loser.

LOL! You are indeed a shill,

LOL! You are indeed a shill, and not even a good one, at that.

btw, B-757 = Boeing 757

Good argument. Let me know

Good argument. Let me know when you get into high school.

Gotta love that LC2E. The

Gotta love that LC2E. The whole 9/11 inside job is there in your face.

"Anonymous" said: "Alex,

"Anonymous" said:

"Alex, anyone who watches LC2E and still believes ANY of the gov't version of 9/11 is either a fool or a liar. Which are you?"

A typical, empty ad hominem argument...
AND over generalizing. All in one sentence!

I happen to appreciate and buy into much of what Loose Change 2 proposes.

I'm losing track of which "Anonymous" you are. If you insist on addressing me further, use your real name (or SOME name). Otherwise, don't bother.

This person who goes by

This person who goes by "anonymous" is a classic disinfo agent working out of cia or nsa.

He sticks out like a sore thumb, probably a cushy summer job for the kid of an high-level agent.

Here are just a few of the

Here are just a few of the things your Bush hero is liable for: http://bushflashforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12&start=0&postdays=0&p...

Lovely. So now if you don't

Lovely. So now if you don't subscribe 100% to the theory that the pentagon was hit by a missile, Bush is your hero. Good to know.

Seriously, you're retarded.

Let's go to the vidoe tape.

Let's go to the vidoe tape.

carn, your statements like:

carn, your statements like:

"And finally, you have no expertise on DNA and it is extremely unlikely that the collision destroyed all of it, so you should really drop that from your list."

"The hole in the pentagon was 90 feet wide. Of course you already knew that and chose to ignore that evidence."

Plus the other b.s. you posted in the same comment really do show you to be a shill & a fool.