Loose Change Rep. Open Letter to Michael Meacher After Cancelling Loose Change Parliament Screening

Oh well - loosechange911.com

Dear Michael

I hadn't expected to write this letter on the evening of what should have been a cataclysmic event in the life of Britains Parliament, but I was called today by a Dutch TV Producer, who stated that your office are claiming that I wrote the story in Broadcast about the screening of Loose Change 2 to Parliament. I hope he misinterpreted your offices comments, as you know, I know and the journalist who wrote the story know that this is not true.

That said, regarding your decision to cancel the screening of Loose Change 2 to Parliament. I believe that with Dylan's film, David Ray Griffin's expert testimony, your backing and my organisational ability to pull all this together, we have missed an opportunity to expose the truth of 9/11 in a controlled, managed manner to one of the few audiences that has the power to effect change.
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In conclusion please also consider the comments of Martin Luther King. His eloquence speaks louder than (my insignificant) words:

"A time comes when silence is betrayal. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom and in the surrounding world...."

"Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak".

Thanks John for the heads up!

I just posted this on

I just posted this on C&L.

Ok C&L, you allowed my larger post. I'll leave you be, although not being able to talk about 9/11 in a Cynthia McKinney thread is like not being able to talk about Baseball in a Babe Ruth thread.

Sometimes I kill me.

OT OT just wanted to point

OT OT

just wanted to point to this PDF copy of WG Tarpley's book "Synthetic Terror..."
http://rapidshare.de/files/15543831/Tarpley-_911_synthetic_terror_made_i...

here's the amazon listing, 24 reviews average 5 stars,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0930852311/qid=1144705662/sr=1-1/ref=sr...

Also note that Alex Jones was guest on WGT's radio show today, listen here,
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley06.html

S9/11T's David

S9/11T's David Hawkins:
Combined bogus war games and continuity of government exercises set for Juneteenth
http://valis.gnn.tv/B16109

hey i posted it on the other

hey i posted it on the other comment but wanted to also share this smaller clip of the interview of Aaron Russon on the $$$
which should be given to local indy radio outlets:
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/aluhlooyah_aaronrussoshortinterview.mp3

full interview and film trailer in mp3 format is here: http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/10251.php
or video versions can be found by searching "Aaron Russo" on video.google.com

Cynthia Mckinney part II is

Cynthia Mckinney part II is up at crooks and liars. Time to defend her again.

On it

On it

*Y*E*Y*!!!!!

*Y*E*Y*!!!!!

http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/

I have updated the list.. and

I count

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20
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MIHOP books..

Is anyone missing one (or did I count a MIHOP where there is none? Thanx!)

I get the distinct

I get the distinct inpression from the above-linked AJ on WT interview that Charlie Sheen will be the "suprise" speaker. Any takers?

Just got my tickets to the

Just got my tickets to the LA American Scholar's Symposium! Me and some friends are travelling quite a ways.

Anyone else going?

To Jon Gold; I wish you could be there man! For some reason I have a feeling this will have bigger coverage than the Chicago thing, especially given the celebrity angle. I just hope there's not abunch of disruptive looney folks, but that may be expected for something so hot button, and considered "fringe conspiracy"...tho as we know the issues addressed are truly a concern to everyone(the possibility of Iran, police state, etc)

So, aside from Michael

So, aside from Michael MeacherÂ’s fear of losing leadership influence of the labour party, he mentions no other reason for withdrawing the viewing of Loose Change 2 from the Parliament?
If it were fear of his fellow constituentsÂ’ opinions shaping this decision, then wouldnÂ’t he have already lost support for even attempting this in the first place?
Seems to me he had nothing to lose.
As I see it, there is something and/or someone else making him withdraw the screening of Loose Change 2. Suddenly, he does have something to lose, and it isnÂ’t the influence of a political party, but rather a political partyÂ’s influence over him.
At least, thatÂ’s how I see it. IÂ’m sure itÂ’s much deeper and darker, but based on what weÂ’re given, thatÂ’s what it looks like to me.

So, the BBC is appointing a

So, the BBC is appointing a senior correspondent to investigate the 9/11 claims!?
This is interesting.

get the distinct inpression

get the distinct inpression from the above-linked AJ on WT interview that Charlie Sheen will be the "suprise" speaker. Any takers?
valis | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 2:59 am | #

Bingo. Charlie is gonna be there.

Jim Fetzer was on Stadmiller's show. When Stadmiller's presumed the suprise guest was going to be Charlie Sheen, Fetzer basically said yes.

The point being is to attract the MSM
interest. It's going to be an exciting
week no doubt.

I guess Michael Meacher was

I guess Michael Meacher was pressured or threatened by someone very powerful.

This is the first time a MSM

This is the first time a MSM journalist does his job regarding the authenticity of Al-Qaida letters.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Fox_anchor_asks_FBI_official_if_0617.html

How does all this stuff pop up to the Pentagon? They should explain every circumstance how they get it.
The same for the Jalalabad Osama "confession" video. The same for the latest Zarkawi video. And also explain who are the experts that examined the authenticity. We need people responsible, as we knew most of the stuff is "Goldstein" way of fear and deception.

At the Ground Zero rally in

At the Ground Zero rally in support of the sick workers yesterday all the major media was there plus at least 3 congresspersons. I was able to flyer the crews from each network, or at least most of them, uhh, except Fox.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/

PBS docu on Cheney, will be aired next Tuesday, 9 pm.

Every member of Parliament

Every member of Parliament got a copy of this in advance: http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

"Just got my tickets to the

"Just got my tickets to the LA American Scholar's Symposium! Me and some friends are travelling quite a ways.

Anyone else going?

To Jon Gold; I wish you could be there man! For some reason I have a feeling this will have bigger coverage than the Chicago thing, especially given the celebrity angle. I just hope there's not abunch of disruptive looney folks, but that may be expected for something so hot button, and considered "fringe conspiracy"...tho as we know the issues addressed are truly a concern to everyone(the possibility of Iran, police state, etc)"

I'd love to be there... unfortunately, I can't afford to be a "jet-setter".

"Of course, there's always

"Of course, there's always the Internet: the modern equivalent of a city park with its soapboxes and speeches at every intersection. You can easily find ``The Power of Nightmares" in its entirety online -- downloadable for free -- along with more incendiary, less credible agit-docs like ``Loose Change," which posits that the 9/11 attacks were committed by the Bush regime. To each their own paranoia."

http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2006/06/18/the_new_world_ordinary/

I don't like that, u2r2h

I don't like that, u2r2h would say probably fear mongering, but we should stay vigilant.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?s=61bffc618268b...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fr...tline/darkside/

PBS docu on Cheney, will be aired next Tuesday, 9 pm.
SittingBull | 06.18.06 - 9:04 am | #
this should be really good, its by the same guys who did Rumsfelds War and The Torture Question, which were both very good.

well jeez tom, some

well jeez tom, some mainstream puppet douchebag from the Boston Globe thinks asking questions about 9/11 is crazy? well thats it, i guess we can all give up now! thanks tom! you did your job!

tom, Why did every member of

tom, Why did every member of Parliament get that debunking guide if LC2E was not shown? Did they get a DVD of LC2E w/the debunking guide? Was the whole thing a scam just to give out the debunking guide?

"At the Ground Zero rally in

"At the Ground Zero rally in support of the sick workers yesterday all the major media was there plus at least 3 congresspersons. I was able to flyer the crews from each network, or at least most of them, uhh, except Fox.
__lakezoarian__ | 06.18.06 - 8:50 am | #"

NICE!!!

about this comment:with the

about this comment:with the BBC now appointing a senior correspondent to investigate the 9/11 claims

can anyone verify this? or are we just gonna have to take TS's word for now? that would be an interesting development for sure.more fear from the mainstream media.

>Boston Globe: Of course,

>Boston Globe: Of course, there's >always the Internet: the modern >equivalent of a city park with its >soapboxes and speeches at every >intersection. You can easily f

That's one of the main problem to get the truth out: the divide between the internet and the non-computerized news. Many think of the internet as a 'Wild west' lawless area full of fraudsters and porn, and a danget to children, while the 'default' TV and newspaper news media is clean, trustworthy journalism.

I've seen this with people about 9/11: once i told them about the BIG LIE, they went back to 'their' trusted news media and came up with the little LIHOP/Iraq WMD Bush critizism found there - thats what they believe and no further.

Unless it's on the frontpage of time magazine or one of 'their' news anchors tells them, they refuse to believe it.

Then there's the psychological barriers: everybody knows this might cause a stock marked crash, WWIII or who knows what else, it's political dynamite. What hipocrites: back during the Clinton years 'their' Rush Limbaugh preached "we don't need Washington" - now they fear to lose it.

i say this all the time. if

i say this all the time. if its not on CNN or in Time magazine, some people jsut refuse to believe it. sad but true.

Al-Qaeda Planned Cyanide

Al-Qaeda Planned Cyanide Attack on NY Subway

Sofia News Agency | June 18 2006

Al-Qaeda had been planning a Cyanide gas attack on the New York subway in 2003, Time magazine reported.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/180606Cyanide.htm

uh huh, sure.

Al Qaeda-linked group claims

Al Qaeda-linked group claims Baghdad bombs

Fredrik Dahl / Reuters | June 18 2006

A militant umbrella body affiliated to al Qaeda claimed responsibility on Sunday for some of the bombings that killed 43 people in and near Baghdad on Saturday in defiance of a security clampdown.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/180606bombs.htm

uh huh, sure.

incidentally, Al Qaeda also

incidentally, Al Qaeda also caused me to have a root canal. bastards.

Big Bad “al-Qaeda”

Big Bad “al-Qaeda” and Zyklon B

Kurt Nimmo | June 18 2006

If we are to believe Ron Suskind, billed as a “Bush antagonist,” al-CIA-duh terrorists “came within 45 days of attacking the New York subway system with a lethal gas similar to that used in Nazi death camps. They were stopped not by any intelligence breakthrough, but by an order from Osama bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman Zawahiri. And the U.S. learned of the plot from a CIA mole inside al-Qaeda. These are some of the more startling revelations by Pulitzer Prize-winning author Ron Suskind,” according to Time Magazine.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/180606al-Qaeda.htm

Kurt Nimmo always does a nice job of destroying the myths of "the war on terror".

You can easily find ``The

You can easily find ``The Power of Nightmares" in its entirety online -- downloadable for free -- along with more incendiary, less credible agit-docs like ``Loose Change," which posits that the 9/11 attacks were committed by the Bush regime. To each their own paranoia."

Disinfo technique^. Take 2 worrisome videos, admit the less specific one (Power of Nightmares) is good to give you some credibility, then bash the one that really concerns you, LC2E.

exactly Anon, which is why

exactly Anon, which is why our friend tom posted it in the first place.aint that right tom?

Amazing how the wanna-be

Amazing how the wanna-be terrorists are always noting their connections in the hierarchy: Zarqawi successor connected to Zawahiri, Zawahiri to Osama, Zawahiri to NYC subway plotters, letter from Zawahiri to Zarqawi etc.

One question i wonder: Osama was not working for the CIA after 9/11 anymore as we know. How then did Zawahiri appear together with Osama in some videos? The "hillside path" video had a fake Osama, but there were earlier ones. Maybe they 'swapped' Zawahiri with another one.
W.G.Tarpley recently said 'Zarqawi' was actually several different actors, none of which had 500p bombs dropped onto him.

Greg said:Osama was not

Greg said:Osama was not working for the CIA after 9/11 anymore as we know.

really? i thought he still was.

or somebody named Bin Laden

or somebody named Bin Laden at least.

Everything that is targeted

Everything that is targeted at the main stream media has one purpose, and one purpose alone - TO CONTINUE THE DEBATE, ad infinitum. These teaser stories about "real 9/11 info coming into the light" are phone psy-ops, designed to stir anxious hope amongst our ranks, while there is ZERO chance of it ever happening - aside from a wimpy, watered-down LIHOP story that will conform to almost everything we've been fed before.

They whip up passion on this side with tidbits of hope, while enraging the other side with easy denials of the weaker points they themselves have planted for just that purpose. It's all about CONFLICT - just like any war, any campaign, any debate. Keep the 2 sides going at each other, and the resulting emotional investment and passion will allow control of the situation and disallow any real progress or status quo change.

The goal of the globalists is to eventually degrade every democracy on the planet so that global government can slowly infiltrate and rule. 9/11 is part of a larger scheme to divide this country, which is why you'll never see the real truth emerge. Honest revelation has no purpose here, but an endless debate does. A LIHOP version of 9/11 will be used as a weapon eventually, when the time is right.

Our media is a controlled entity that takes marching orders from it's corporate owners who take orders from their banker masters, it's a simple equation.

The purpose of the 9/11 debate is simply that - to be an ongoing, seemingly impossible to rectify argument that pits the 2 sides at each others' throats, seemingly with no resolution. This is why they have infiltrated both sides, and are manipulating the issues. They supply fluzzy, bogus "evidence" to the Truth Movement so that it can be later discredited by the other side. Shills work both ends now, and it's difficult to know who is who.

Conclusion? Without an independant media, and with the masses' disgusting addiction to mind-control TV, we're fucked.

The real-Osama never

The real-Osama never admitted the 9/11 plot: In his videos, the last one in Dec 2001, he only cared about the attack on Afghanistan, where he obviously was. About 9/11 he said there is no proof of a connection to him or Afghanistan, only "surmises" that don't justify a U.S. attack.

All the rest of it is fake. Look at the Osama in the "hillside path" video: this is a joke

i agree Rumpl4skn, thats why

i agree Rumpl4skn, thats why Tarpley is so right when he says we all should be pushing MIHOP all the way.

Chris | Homepage | 06.18.06

Chris | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 12:12 pm | #
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I tend to trust Tarpley more than most, because he's a economist. And stuff like 9/11 is ALWAYS a financial issue, because it's always about MONEY.

New book I'd like to plug: Dark Union - the real story of the Lincoln assassination. This was about money too - forget the bullshit psy-op pf JW Booth being pissed about the war or some bizarre revenge for ending slavery. Lincoln was trading with the enemy - meat for cotton - and when he tried to end the illegal deals, those who stood to loose millions decided he had to go.

If I could re-do my education, I'd be an economist.

whenever a president or

whenever a president or world leader is killed, there is ALWAYS more to the story. thats a new one for me though, that Lincoln was killed for trying to end illegal deals.sounds interesting, got a link?

Dark Union website:

Dark Union website: http://www.shout.net/~bigred/DarkUnion.htm

I bought a used one (like new) on Amazon for under $5.

If you Google it, you see a host of sites decrying the information as "all wrong", for obvious reasons. All these ops are related, and they all point back to international bankers.

>A LIHOP version of 9/11

>A LIHOP version of 9/11 will be used >as a weapon eventually, when the >t
ime is right.

The upcoming 911report.com documentary with big budget and celebrity involvement (Costner, John McCain) will precisely be that, is my guess. It promises "you've never been told what really happened until now", but i know what this will be accoring to it: a dramatization of the FAA failure, of confusion in NORAD, maybe the admission of the wargames. Simple minded folks will be brainwashed into thinking "this is it, now we know the truth".

The "bogus evidence" by govt. agents must be combated by discipline to seek the truth and only the verifiable truth. Trust alone should never be used as an argument - this allowed the cover-up to succeed in the first place.

thanks.

thanks.

whenever a president or

whenever a president or world leader is killed, there is ALWAYS more to the story. thats a new one for me though, that Lincoln was killed for trying to end illegal deals.sounds interesting, got a link?
Chris
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It's enormously more cmplicated than that, but that's the short answer.

The basic premise is that Booth was part of a very large, state-resident conspiracy, who's initial goal was to kidnap Lincoln and the Sec. of State. When they began to get cold feet about it, Booth took matters into his own hands.

Apologies to all for the off-topic diversion.

The upcoming 911report.com

The upcoming 911report.com documentary with big budget and celebrity involvement (Costner, John McCain) will precisely be that, is my guess. It promises "you've never been told what really happened until now", but i know what this will be accoring to it: a dramatization of the FAA failure, of confusion in NORAD, maybe the admission of the wargames. Simple minded folks will be brainwashed into thinking "this is it, now we know the truth".

The "bogus evidence" by govt. agents must be combated by discipline to seek the truth and only the verifiable truth. Trust alone should never be used as an argument - this allowed the cover-up to succeed in the first place.
Greg
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Bingo. The average Joe is intellectually lazy, and will always go for a simpler explanation. Most can't wrap their brains around a conspiracy, so the patsies are always a welcome answer.

It's like quelling curiosity about JFK by finally 'revealing' that the Warren Commission was indeed wrong - Lee Harvey Oswald was a CUBAN! That's why he killed Kennedy!

Ave. Joe always knew something was wrong, and if you can disprove anything he'd previously been told, he thinks he finally got to the bottom of something. While it's really just another flavor of horseshit.

911report.com will be the

911report.com will be the "movie that everybody talks about" and get 9/11 coverage. The Bush admin. will be in denial but folks will believe the revelations in the movie...

They have multiple "layers" of denial and stonewalling seems to me. They have plans to reveal the next the next and next...layer when pressure is put onto them. But this will just be one little 'embarrassing' thing after another like the FBI foreknowledge etc. - and only the last one, the last line of defence at the bottom of it all, is the actual circle of conspirators that did it, the actual ongoings in Giuliani's bunker in WTC7, the actual controlled demol. drafts.

Bush & Co. were total Teflon

Bush & Co. were total Teflon for even 9/11 incompetence. I sure don't see any MIHOP or even LIHOP sticking to them anytime soon.

WTC 7 is the key. WTC 7 is

WTC 7 is the key. WTC 7 is a smoking gun. People MUST see WTC 7 before they get a chance to poison that well too.

You mentioned disinformation

You mentioned disinformation agents: there's one example i've found: There's the story of McNiven, who claims to have plotted the WTC attack in 1976 as part of a terror drill. All the alternative news sites welcomed him as a truth movement contributer (his website: /http://codenamegrillfire.com)

At first glance it seems that way, great, another "hint". Until recently i found a little detail in what he said: he said they predicted the collapse of the WTC after the plane crashes by the jet fuel fire. That not enough, the were able to calculate the exact time until the collapse by fire. The argument of fires not melting steel is then declared an 'architect's lie'.

- so here we have it: provide "evidence" one thing (govt. complicity) to infiltrate the truth movement, with the hidden agenda to discredit another (collapse by explosives).

In my world (which I visit

In my world (which I visit regularly).... : )

The purpose of ops such as 9/11 (besides the obvious geo-political goals, outrageous war debt and stuffing the defense contractors' pockets) are to initially cause simple divisiveness between the 2 sides. Eventually, revelations of the LIHOP version can be used to erode or even disintegrate the public's faith in the government. Just enough implied suspicion to create the feeling that "the U.S. gov't can't be trusted", and perhaps global oversight from an entity such as the U.N. is needed.

Clown-in-Chief Bush has played his part well, as the affable, dumb-ass ranch hand who was too incompetant to recognize the NeoCon threat and stop it before they raided the treasury and created the desired Iraq Civil War situation - from who's contribution to the Middle East's increased instability many decades of war profits can be gleaned.

But next on the menu is the infiltration of the government by global oversight. Upcoming bought and paid-for globalist President Hillary Rodham will oversee that phase of the op.

"WTC 7 is the key. WTC 7 is

"WTC 7 is the key. WTC 7 is a smoking gun. People MUST see WTC 7 before they get a chance to poison that well too."

Yes it is - if you're a clown-shoe conspiradroid who is willing to ignore fact, logic and evidence:

Battalion Chief John Norman
Special Operations Command - 22 years

From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. You could see smoke, but no visible fire, and some damage to the south face. You couldnÂ’t really see from where we were on the west face of the building, but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norman.html

Chris Boyle expands on what he saw when he viewed the south side, not just the corner.

Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years

Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didnÂ’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didnÂ’t look good.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, weÂ’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

Another report talks of damage that suggested collapse was a real possibility:

...Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/...

Fire chief Daniel Nigro says further assessment of the damage indicated that it was severe:

The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-634

Another fireman reported damage that progressed as the day wore on.

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 oÂ’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 oÂ’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and thatÂ’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didnÂ’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

These developments are

These developments are disturbing. Don't let them frame the debate for us. We must get to the "agnostics" before they do.

We must reach that point where they are afraid to even mention 9/11 because of the questions it evokes. That will put them in a catch-22 because their silence will be very telling.

EVERYTIME THEY MENTION 9/11 THERE SHOULD BE HARD QUESTIONS IMMEDIATELY HOUNDING THEM BY PHONE, E-MAIL, PROTEST, ETC...

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Hey ConspiracySmasher, What

Hey ConspiracySmasher,

What bothers you so much about someone pointing out WTC 7's symmetrical & simultaneous controlled demolition collapse?

9/11 Commission = Ignored

9/11 Commission = Ignored WTC 7

FEMA Report = Fire hypothesis has a "low probability of occurrence."

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The upcoming 911report.com

The upcoming 911report.com documentary with big budget and celebrity involvement (Costner, John McCain) will precisely be that, is my guess. It promises "you've never been told what really happened until now", but i know what this will be accoring to it: a dramatization of the FAA failure, of confusion in NORAD, maybe the admission of the wargames. Simple minded folks will be brainwashed into thinking "this is it, now we know the truth".
Greg

Your absolutely right that they are going to 'reveal' the 'true story' of 911 which will start with "we were just trying to cover up our incompetance for political and national security reasons." If that doesn't work in the face of such overwhelmig MIHOP evidence, Jones work in particular, they will quickly turn to LIHOP, Bush was a great but possibly misguided general, who was willing to sacrice a few thousand for the winning the larger war.

Don't ever forget that The larger War on Terror is the big Prize, and they will sacrifice anything and anyone to retain this useful economic tool.

Thats why I like Tarpley, becuase no one is let off the hook but he puts everything and everyone in their proper perspective and thus their importance. He sees the real bigger picture.
(On that note, those are some great posts above Rumpl4skin)

When I casually outed the undercover security agent in Chicago, ( because he was asking for a very detailed description of the Chicago police officers that I had talked to at the rally and those that were interested in getting more informmation. He aslo claimed to be at the rally but I know for certain he wasn't) Anyway, I humouresly threatened to pat him down, he got nervous but never directly denied my accusation. So continued, saying I will assume he was a government agent of some sort and that I was happy to educate him about 911, and how we were the real patriots in trying to protect this country from unaccoutable and criminal powers.
It was a long a interesting conversation, he tested my allegience to this country and asked if we had tried to bring in the Black Musims of America into this cause. (very interesting)

At the end of our conversation, he said, " well...have you heard of the chinese Art of War.....and quoted " The true general is willing to sacrifice his own soldiers for the purpose of winning the larger war" ....This is what he was told before being sent into the conference, i.e "WE did it but it was in order to win the larger War." I believe this what is happenning behind the scenes in many security, financial and political organizations, and thus will be the last defence of our governments complicity in 911
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I continued our conversation by asking him to look into who or what were the powers that would be victorious in this larger battle.....Was it the the citizens of the united states?....Was it the constitution which is foundation of this country????
We left on friendly terms and I told him that I hoped he used this opportunity to get a real education and to realize this conference represented the True patriots of America as it stands now in The United states of America in 2006.
( I also added that if I found out that there were any repercusions to the officer's that had honestly asked for more information......I would supply them a full physical description of him, so they knew who had been sent to investigate and out them.)

the Big lie of 9/11 cannot

the Big lie of 9/11 cannot survive forever in a peacetime environment.
The cover-up is upheld by a constant flow of alleged Al-Qaeda plots, videos, wars, and maybe a new 9/11 type attack.

But the enemy is not perfect: think of the fake Osama videos, of WTC7, of the Zarqawi-psyop admission. Whith every thing they do, they make mistakes, and the one they pay make mistakes. The only mind-boggling thing they have somehow managed to achieve is that there's no whistleblowers at all.

Radical Pragmatist, You

Radical Pragmatist,
You really think they told a field agent "WE did it" ?

Radical Pragmatist, You

Radical Pragmatist,
You really think they told a field agent "WE did it" ?
Anonymous

Thanks for the clarification. I think he was told that they alowed it to happen to mobilize the population for the larger and important war against terrorism. It was a justification of LIHOP, which I think we will see more of if 911 questions go 'mainsteam'.

Its their last refuge which allows the War on Terror to go forward, removes some middlle men (Bush Co.), and gives the Democrats a victory in which they pledge to continue this Bogus War on Terror.

This is just my assumption based on my experience.....which I found highly revealing. Obviously, I may be wrong about that, but thats how I interpreted this unique encounter.

That makes sense. This

That makes sense. This co-opting is scary, but it also shows that we are making progress.

"Hey ConspiracySmasher,

"Hey ConspiracySmasher,

What bothers you so much about someone pointing out WTC 7's symmetrical & simultaneous controlled demolition collapse?"

Perhaps because it didn't happen - as I proved above...

Conspiracy Smasher, i want a

Conspiracy Smasher, i want a theory that explains everything, not just the collapse but also the molten metal found underneath the WTC7 debris, just like it was found underneath WTC1 and 2.

That makes sense. This

That makes sense. This co-opting is scary, but it also shows that we are making progress.
Anonymous

You are absolutely right, we are making progress. Thats why we need to keep our minds sharp and our critism focused, so we don't just jump on the first 'mainsteam' exposure of 911 as a soothing validation of our questions.

Personally, my research and exposure of 911, has creatted incredible strife and hardship in my life that could have been avoided if I just closed my eyes at the begining.
well I didn't.... I am damn sure that I will not let this sacrfice for the Truth, be easily appeased by some limited exposure of the Truth. No matter how how satisfying that fraudulent 'closure' might feel.

I want the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth......no matter where it may lead and where the chips might fall!

........and Happy Father's

........and Happy Father's Day to all those dad's out there!

You know what's odd about

You know what's odd about all this 9/11 debate - if tomorrow every one of us came online and said "Okay, we were wrong. The 9/11 Commission Report was dead on, nothing to see here. It was 19 Arab hijackers with boxcutters. We've been convinced, the government has been maligned."

What do you think would happen? I'll tell you - there'd be a mad scramble amongst the Perception Management groups to throw a couple hundred pro-Truth Movement shills onto the blogs and MB's.

They cannot have this debate simply go away. It has a purpose.

their budget is the problem.

their budget is the problem. we're fighting an army of paid agents, while we ourselves have no financial support whatsoever

BTW: latest lie heard from D.Hopsicker: 9/11 truth is founded by Al-Qaeda. This is what Rumsfeld meant by the terrorists winning it on the internet: WE are supposed to be the terrorists)

They cannot have this debate

They cannot have this debate simply go away. It has a purpose.
Rumpl4skn

I have to agree Rumpl,
Griffen once said that 911 was so obviouse that he thinks they meant to get caught, and use the exposure for their own larger purposes.....he said he we not go further than expressing that feeling until he had some more solid proof of his suspicion's . But I have to say, I share those suspicions.

We need to stay focused on their public statements in relation to 911, because propaganda is by its very nature, accurate to larger hidden objectives of those behind the scenes, or it wouldn't be good propaganda.

their budget is the problem.

their budget is the problem. we're fighting an army of paid agents, while we ourselves have no financial support whatsoever

BTW: latest lie heard from D.Hopsicker: 9/11 truth is founded by Al-Qaeda. This is what Rumsfeld meant by the terrorists winning it on the internet: WE are supposed to be the terrorists)
Greg | 06.18.06 - 2:18 pm | #
___________________________________--

Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., civil disobedience, non-violent protest, etc... Make sure people know that this is what 9/11 truth is all about.

BTW: latest lie heard from

BTW: latest lie heard from D.Hopsicker: 9/11 truth is founded by Al-Qaeda. This is what Rumsfeld meant by the terrorists winning it on the internet: WE are supposed to be the terrorists)
Greg | 06.18.06 - 2:18 pm | #
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Simply implying that al-Qaeda is an organized global terrorist agency (with U.S. sleeper cells awaiting coded cassette tape orders from a dead guy in an Afghan cave) is better proof that Hopsicker is as disinfo as you can get.

Did he actually say that?????

I don't have a direct quote

I don't have a direct quote from Hopsicker, but i understand from this
http://www.spitfirelist.com/f555.html

that he's willing to trash the truth movement completely in order to promote his LIHOP theory (he's all about Atta, Atta Atta...).

"What bothers you so much

"What bothers you so much about someone pointing out WTC 7's symmetrical & simultaneous controlled demolition collapse?"

conspiracysmasher:
Perhaps because it didn't happen - as I proved above...
__________---
oh, do the vids of #7 imploding show anything other than a symmetrical & simultaneous collapse?
i don't think so.
conspiracysmasher has claimed on another blog to have been there on that day, but he didn't seem to care to elaborate.
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Regarding Tim NcNiven, they

Regarding Tim NcNiven, they calculated how long the building would take to collapse from fire AND THEN realized that the FDNY would beat the collapses, so they began discussing explosives.

1976 Military Study Considered Explosives, Planned WTC Air Attacks To Be 'Piggy-backed' On Top Of "Training Excercises"
http://www.total911.info/2006/03/1976-military-study-considered.html

McNiven tells you whatever

McNiven tells you whatever you want to become the movement's super-star.
Next up: you ask him about WTC7, then he says "oh, yea, now i remember, we also discussed a command center close to the WTC. this would then have to be destroyed to..."

Ever wondered why he's still working for the military?...

"oh, do the vids of #7

"oh, do the vids of #7 imploding show anything other than a symmetrical & simultaneous collapse?

Odd that you stooges can't seem to get a structural engineer anywhere to agree with you - don't you think?

"conspiracysmasher has claimed on another blog to have been there on that day, but he didn't seem to care to elaborate."

Believe, don't believe, i don't care. You and your conspiradroid army will remain on the margins of society, clutching your tiny fists in anger and - like the flat earth society, Raelians and other kooks - no one but Charlie Sheen is going to take you seriously anyway. Enjoy obscurity...

"their budget is the

"their budget is the problem. we're fighting an army of paid agents, while we ourselves have no financial support whatsoever"

Hmmmm, my shill cheque must have been lost in the mail...

"their budget is the

"their budget is the problem. we're fighting an army of paid agents, while we ourselves have no financial support whatsoever"

Hmmmm, my shill cheque must have been lost in the mail...
Conspiracy Smasher | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 4:08 pm | #
the fact that your not getting paid for what you do is extremely sad.says a lot about you.

Conspiracy Smasher - you're

Conspiracy Smasher - you're right, we're wrong. You work here is done, we've been converted, we've seen the light. It was all a misunderstanding.

Please go away now.

1. I don't believe Mcniven.

1. I don't believe Mcniven. Why? Because I truly believe the plans for 9/11 did come from Arab extremists or financiers, as was latched onto by the US government...a sort of piggybacking without the "al Qaeda" or whatever even knowing. They aren't very smart...they didnt outsmart us...the US government used them. If al Qaeda had simply done their thing, they woulda been blown out of the sky, or heck caught before it happened. LIHOP becomes MIHOP. Mcniven's story is to disprove controlled demolition while throwing out a red herring MIHOP idea. Totally bogus. People say the Alex Jones 7/25/2001 video is fake, but if it was fake he woulda made his ominious 9/11 prediction more obvious

2. I think if LIHOP(remember, most still believe "incompetence") becaomes mainstream, the argument will be similair to Pearl Harbor: We let it happen to wake up the public "to the real dangers of al Qaeda and terrorism, and to stop a possible future attack"

Just found this WTC

Just found this WTC eyewtness account on Hoffman's site.

"...As more and more and more and more and more emergency vehicles descended on the World Trade Center, I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low-frequency rumble that precipitates the unthinkable -- a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion. First the top surface, containing the helipad, tips sideways in full view. Then the upper floors fall straight down in a demolition-style implosion, taking all lower floors with it, even those below the point of the explosion...
...I hear another explosion followed by a now all-too familiar rumble that signaled the collapse of WTC 1, the first of the two towers to have been hit. I saw the iconic antenna on this building descend straight down in an implosion twinning the first.

http://www.planetary.org/html/society/advisors/sept11account.html

The definition of the term

The definition of the term Ground Zero, according to Webster's dictionary.

ttp://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ground+zero

Rumpl4skn, I realize there

Rumpl4skn,

I realize there is not one thing I or anyone could say or do to change your mind. You have become a member of the 9/11 "truther" religion where faith has supplanted logic....

Check out the typical

Check out the typical ordinance smoke plume from the Pentagon event:

http://www.tribby.net/pentagon/

Movie clip + still pics.

Rumpl4skn, I realize there

Rumpl4skn,

I realize there is not one thing I or anyone could say or do to change your mind. You have become a member of the 9/11 "truther" religion where faith has supplanted logic....
Conspiracy Smasher | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 6:40 pm | #

Amen.

[correction to my post above]

The definition of the term Ground Zero, according to Webster's dictionary.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ground+zero

Save this stuff, pass it

Save this stuff, pass it around.

Also don´t forget to save

Also don´t forget to save and pass around this clip showing molten steel dripping off WTC-2 just before its collapse. Check out the helicopter lurking nearby.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863

"well jeez tom, some

"well jeez tom, some mainstream puppet douchebag from the Boston Globe thinks asking questions about 9/11 is crazy?"

Not according to what the reporter wrote.

"tom, Why did every member

"tom, Why did every member of Parliament get that debunking guide if LC2E was not shown?"

With that guide, you don't need to see the film. You can read it at home and spend your time in Parliament doing better things.

"Unless it's on the

"Unless it's on the frontpage of time magazine or one of 'their' news anchors tells them, they refuse to believe it."

If it is NOT on internet, 9/11 Truthers often claim it doesn't exist.

"i say this all the time. if

"i say this all the time. if its not on CNN or in Time magazine, some people jsut refuse to believe it. sad but true."

Is that why we here claims that because there are no photos of the damaged side of WTC 7, nothing happened there?

"Take 2 worrisome videos,

"Take 2 worrisome videos, admit the less specific one (Power of Nightmares) is good to give you some credibility, then bash the one that really concerns you, LC2E."

Many here already question the many problems with with that propaganda film.

"I tend to trust Tarpley

"I tend to trust Tarpley more than most, because he's a economist."

When it comes to hundreds of structural engineers who all say the same thing about 9/11, do you beleive them?

"WTC 7 is the key. WTC 7 is

"WTC 7 is the key. WTC 7 is a smoking gun."

Everyone keeps say that but don't produce any reason why.

"What bothers you so much

"What bothers you so much about someone pointing out WTC 7's symmetrical & simultaneous controlled demolition collapse?"

What bothers you about the REAL evidence?

"Conspiracy Smasher, i want

"Conspiracy Smasher, i want a theory that explains everything, not just the collapse but also the molten metal found underneath the WTC7 debris, just like it was found underneath WTC1 and 2."

Found? Says who? Let's see your irrefutable evidence.

"oh, do the vids of #7

"oh, do the vids of #7 imploding show anything other than a symmetrical & simultaneous collapse?"

That's strange. The videos don't show any such thing.

Doublespeak.

Doublespeak.

The issue for me is not

The issue for me is not specifically 9/11. The entire issue has degraded into this never ending, Inna Gadda Da Vida drum solo of a marathon food fight, thanks to the Perps installation of shills on both sides.

There are 2 types of 9/11 truth deniers - (a) the paid corporate whores who take blood money to spew the "official opinion", and (b) the true skeptics who simply - somehow - haven't seen enough anomalies (of the hundreds that ocurred that day) to be convinced that the government would ever lie to them. (That concept alone is a mind-blower... how anyone could, in this day and age, with our government's past history of covert bullshit, still be naive enough to buy everything they say.) But, let's say it's possible.

But if you are a true ideologue - while not all deniers are GOP, I can safely assume most probably are, and your concern should echo mine, in that we have totally lost our independent media. That we are being spoonfed our news in ideology-friendly gulps, devoid of almost all objectivity, and it's by design that anyone can now tune in to news that suits their political tastes. This is not a preferable situation to be in as a thinking people. 9/11 is simply a by-product of that situation, and it affects everyone equally and oppositely.

If you are a true Conservative, I have some news for you - you're not going to like 2008 through 2016. Because it's now your turn to get it up the ass by the globalists. And if you're the (b) type, who's been shilling for the government by helping cover up 9/11, you're eventually going to feel like a real dumbass who's been used. Trust me.

"I hear a second explosion

"I hear a second explosion in WTC 2,...Then the upper floors fall straight down in a demolition-style implosion."

Which is evidence of exactly nothing other than the person's "impression."

19 molten metal sources

"Also don´t forget to

"Also don´t forget to save and pass around this clip showing molten steel dripping off WTC-2 just before its collapse."

Prove that it was "molten metal."

As long as you guys keep

As long as you guys keep arguing with them, they're getting paid. I suggest you ignore them, and go about having constructive discussions amongst those that belong here.

Their job is not to convince anyone of anything - that would put them out of a job. Their purpose here is to engage the truth movement with ENDLESS DEBATE. To drag it out, to stretch it into a marathon of mud-slinging, counter-claims and insults.

If we all suddenly did a 180 here on 9/11, they'd all be re-assigned somewhere else, or have to log out here and come back in as someone new, arguing FOR 9/11 truth.

I'd go as far as to say there are shills working both sides on different blogs. Not a bad gig - you pick up your talking points on each from the people you argue with. The self-feeding, perpetual motion propaganda machine. : )

"There are 2 types of 9/11

"There are 2 types of 9/11 truth deniers - (a) the paid corporate whores who take blood money to spew the "official opinion", and (b) the true skeptics who simply - somehow - haven't seen enough anomalies (of the hundreds that ocurred that day) to be convinced that the government would ever lie to them. (That concept alone is a mind-blower... how anyone could, in this day and age, with our government's past history of covert bullshit, still be naive enough to buy everything they say.) But, let's say it's possible."

The real deniers are those who a)believe the government could pull off 9/11 and, b) who think that all of the evidence in the world against them is irrelevant.

Which one are you?

"Their job is not to

"Their job is not to convince anyone of anything - that would put them out of a job. Their purpose here is to engage the truth movement with ENDLESS DEBATE. To drag it out, to stretch it into a marathon of mud-slinging, counter-claims and insults."

The purpose as claimed by all 9/11 Tuthers here is "debate." Yet all of you are made up your minds and dislike debate.

Conspiracy Smasher is exactly right. It's only a matter of when you will admit that your beliefs are religious in nature and profoundly unscientific.

Which one are you? tom |

Which one are you?
tom | 06.18.06 - 8:19 pm | #
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I'm your biggest fan, you mountain of truth and honesty, you defender of all that is decent.

God Bless You, Tiny Tom.

Those shills sound really

Those shills sound really desperate. :)

Under half of Americans

Under half of Americans believe the official fable and the FBI admits it has nothing on the bin Laden bogeyman.

These are tough times indeed for govt. shills.

We should pick a start date

We should pick a start date for The Big Shill Out.

The day we completely ignore them. No matter what they type, it just doesn't exist. That's the day they lose their supplemental income from Rendon Group or Netvocates or the DIA or the Defense Contractor.

Then what? They won't pay them to type ignored messages, and not perpetuate the argument. The whole system will implode.

They have achieved

They have achieved nothing.

Although the entire corporate mass media has supported the official 9/11 fable under half of Americans believe the official story. This is evidence of massive achievement by the 9/11 truth movement and I believe LC2 has played quite a big part in this. I mention it because it's the subject here but would never slight other fine films and contributions in print and elsewhere.

Friggin' buggers shot my

Friggin' buggers shot my connection down for this. :)

More fraud exposed by this

More fraud exposed by this analysis here: http://911myths.com/Trinity.pdf

"This is evidence of massive

"This is evidence of massive achievement by the 9/11 truth movement and I believe LC2 has played quite a big part in this."

Religious doctrine is powerful stuff for the masses.

"The day we completely

"The day we completely ignore them. No matter what they type, it just doesn't exist."

You've been doing that for almost 5 years. Ignoring all the evidence, that is.

tom, you are without content

tom, you are without content and speak in empty cliches.

I believe that starting wars

I believe that starting wars on false pretexts and committing mass murder and war crimes is definite grounds for war crimes tribunal. Remember; 60 years ago people were hanged for such crimes.

The FBI have been covering

The FBI have been covering their butts and are clearly concerned about their self-preservation. The same goes for the Pentagon by releasing that ridiculous video. They will try to use this for leverage when this whole sordid mess blows up. Look guys we tried to signal to you that it was all a scam but we had to do it obliquely because of the crazies in charge.

Not all participants in this

Not all participants in this scam are psychopaths. Some are decent persons who resent this and leave clues on purpose. This is why the scam is so riddled with inconsistencies. The execution of the operation was sloppy on purpose.

How Osama Cracked FBI's Top

How Osama Cracked FBI's Top 10

http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/1,47109-0.html

By Robin Clewley

[b]2001-09-27 03:00:00.0[/b]

"When the terrorists who

"When the terrorists who commandeered the four airplanes in the Sept. 11 attacks were identified, their faces appeared in news publications all over the world.

President Bush has said he has evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks, so it would seem obvious that the FBI would include him and other suspects on its 10 most wanted fugitives Web page.

Think again.

Bin Laden is listed, but only for the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. There is no mention of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing or the attacks on the USS Cole in October 2000, both of which he is widely believed to have orchestrated. And forget about Sept. 11.

The reason? Fugitives on the list must be formally charged with a crime, and bin Laden is still only a suspect in the recent attacks in New York City and Washington.

"There's going to be a considerable amount of time before anyone associated with the attacks is actually charged," said Rex Tomb, who is head of the FBI's chief fugitive publicity unit and helps decide which fugitives appear on the list. "To be charged with a crime, this means we have found evidence to confirm our suspicions, and a prosecutor has said we will pursue this case in court."

Larry C. Johnson, a former CIA officer who was deputy director of the U.S. State Department Office of Counterterrorism from 1989 to 1993, said in a Sept. 12 interview conducted by Frontline that there is no concrete proof that bin Laden is responsible for the USS Cole and the 1993 WTC attacks, but bin Laden celebrates those attacks and associates himself with people who are responsible for it.

President Bush promises to reveal evidence linking bin Laden to the suicide hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Bin Laden has applauded the attacks but denies direct involvement."

Wired, 9/27/2001

http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/1,47109-0.html

"On June 5, 2006, the

"On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”

http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

6/6/2006

So, when you're the "law"

So, when you're the "law" and you frame someone what does that make YOU ?

Blob, you're just talking to

Blob, you're just talking to yourself and years behind on the news.

"This stuff means that the

"This stuff means that the US administration needs to be brought before a war crimes tribunal"

Those sites are mostly political hack sites. How about something credible?

tom, you are unable to

tom, you are unable to identify the argument and speak in empty cliches only. You can´t manage even elementary debate. Why don´t you spend your time in things you can handle.

They can´t even hire

They can´t even hire passable hacks anymore. LOL.

You shill scum should bear

You shill scum should bear in mind that under half of the American People believe the official 9/11 fable. Once the amss media is forced to deal with the issue in an intelligent manner this should soon go to 10-20%. :)

"We should pick a start date

"We should pick a start date for The Big Shill Out. The day we completely ignore them. No matter what they type, it just doesn't exist."

One has to feel sad for gomers who feel compelled to instruct others to ignore logic and facts...

9/11 insider trading.

You shills have yet to

You shills have yet to present any logic or facts. LOL.

Attention troll supervisors

Attention troll supervisors - these guys need some more seasoning before they can play in the big time.

Attention rookie trolls - you do your cause a disservice by making your disinformation so obvious.

You only confirm our suspicions. We don't have the answers - we are just asking questions.

You don't want us to ask these questions. WHY?

How could scientific inquiry into the definitive issue of our lifetime be considered wrong? ONLY THOSE WITH SOMETHING TO HIDE would fear an independent investigation. Does that argument sound familiar? It is the same one you use to steal our 1st and 4th amendment freedoms, among others.

Although I cannot say for

Although I cannot say for certain, as I have not contacted Mr. Meacher, I suspect that he cancelled the showing because he's learnt of the overwhelming amount of inaccuracies [disinfo, misinfo, conjecture, lies, hoaxes etc] contained in LC2E, and does not want to be the laughing stock of British Parliament.

I commend Mr. Meacher for choosing to not show LC2E, whatever his reason is.

The massive volume of non-evidence regarding the 9/11 attacks contained in LC2E, that the makers of LC attempted to use as real evidence, does not help 9/11 truth, it hurts it.

Having more people than there already is, spewing non-evidence that they learnt from Loose Change, as though it is real evidence, does not help real 9/11 truth.

And considerable evidence does, in fact, point directly to the 9/11 attacks as having been the work of an inside job. But Loose Change absolutely reeks of being a disinformation intelligence operation.

Loose Change = garbage.

"How could scientific

"How could scientific inquiry into the definitive issue of our lifetime be considered wrong?"

Scientific inquiry? You conspiradroids can't come to term with the fact that every aspect of your conspiracy theory has been completely debunked - let alone not one structural engineer anywhere in the world buys into your stupid hokum....

The questions go unanswered

The questions go unanswered so long, we mix them into music to taunt the shills

http://www.archive.org/download/mindy_k/911_widow_mindy_kleinberg-k142g.mp3

Man, I just love that LC2E.

Man, I just love that LC2E. It's the entire 9/11 conspiracy in a nutshell! Spread it around, it's free to you & me: http://www.loosechange911.com/

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FrankV | 06.18.06 - 1:15 pm | #

Thanks for the info, FrankV. I was wondering where all these sphincters were coming from.

Bill Manning Condemns the

Bill Manning Condemns the "Half-Baked Farce"

Editor of Fire Engineering Magazine Bill Manning highlighted concerns among the firefighting community over the barring of investigators from the crime scene:
Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything.

Manning also emphatically condemned the destruction of structural steel, declaing "The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately." Manning contrasted the operation to past disasters:
Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland Social Club Fire? Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not. But essentially, that's what they're doing at the World Trade Center.

Manning indicated that the destruction of the steel was illegal...

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/restrictions.html

Conspiracy Smasher |

Conspiracy Smasher | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:00 pm | #

Let's look at this shite^ a little closer, shall we:

Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didnÂ’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didnÂ’t look good.

IÂ’ve NEVER see a picture of WTC-7 with a 20-story hole in it. Do you have a video, a picture, or a link?
From where was “debris falling down on the building”? This makes no sense. WTC-7 was 350 feet from the nearest tower. Is Boyle implying that the North Tower was still standing & debris was falling down onto WTC-7?

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, weÂ’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.

Now the fire is on 20 floors? A huge gaping hole? Do you have a video, a picture, or a link to any of this bullshit?
(No one bothered to hose down the gaping hole & fire, the firemen just “headed back to the command post”? Wtf?)

Another report talks of damage that suggested collapse was a real possibility:
...Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/pac...HIC/ 9110462.PDF
Fire chief Daniel Nigro says further assessment of the damage indicated that it was severe:
The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.o...=1521846767- 634
Another fireman reported damage that progressed as the day wore on.
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years
...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 oÂ’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 oÂ’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and thatÂ’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didnÂ’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

THE ABOVE, EVEN IF TRUE & ACCURATE, PROVES NOTHING! VARIOUS INCENDIARY DEVICES (e.g.,THERMITE) COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO SLOWLY EAT AWAY SUPPORTING COLUMNS INSIDE WTC-7 ALL MORNING & AFTERNOON LONG! Then more thermite and/or conventional explosives could have consummated the implosion at 5:25 pm.

Anyway we all know that Larry Silverstein & the fire chief “pulled-it.” That is on video!

I wrote earlier: "Is that

I wrote earlier:

"Is that why we here claims that because there are no photos of the damaged side of WTC 7, nothing happened there?"

anonymous illustrated my point:
"IÂ’ve NEVER see a picture of WTC-7 with a 20-story hole in it. Do you have a video, a picture, or a link?...Now the fire is on 20 floors? A huge gaping hole? Do you have a video, a picture, or a link to any of this bullshit?"

Remember, if it's not on the internet, it can't be true.

"9/11 insider

"9/11 insider trading."

Debunked. Why keep peddling it?

"You shills have yet to

"You shills have yet to present any logic or facts."

You mean us intelligent people who have pointed you to the FACTS years ago but that you just ignore and can't rebut.

What else is new?

> Without an independant


> Without an independant media, and with the masses' disgusting addiction to mind-control TV, we're fucked.

very correct.

We should work on a P2P-TV channel. Just a single one. Well-made-TV that
can compete with the eye-candy channels.

Just one single TV LIVE-TO-AIR channel... 6hrs daily. Everybody is allowed to show it.. but only if left intact. Money coming from donation + ads.

World-wide activists should start working on it.

WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO DEBATE

WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO DEBATE WITH PEOPLE LIKE TOM.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY THEY WON'T UNDERSTAND COMMON SENSE.

"Is that why we here claims

"Is that why we here claims that because there are no photos of the damaged side of WTC 7, nothing happened there?"
-and-
"9/11 insider trading."
Debunked. Why keep peddling it?
tom | 06.19.06 - 5:11 am | #

But you see, there are plenty of photos & video showing that WTC-7 was not severely damaged until it imploded.

The insider trading has NEVER been debunked & remains a huge smoking gun!

You have no evidence to the contrary on any of this.

Please don't feed the

Please don't feed the trolls.

"You have no evidence to the

"You have no evidence to the contrary on any of this."

Really? Or is it because you refuse to believe the facts because it gets in the way of your belief system? Insider trading has been debunked numerous times in numerous places - yet you refuse (or are unable?) to understand.

WTC7 has also been thoroughly debunked (which you simply ignore)
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7___silverstein.html

Why don't you go back to the Flat-Earth forums where you won't get laughed at so much...

Actually, Conspiracy

Actually, Conspiracy Smasher, every aspect of YOUR impossible theory has been completely debunked.

If you want to debunk the hundreds of "conspiracy theories", you're going to have to think of something better than a hole in WTC building 7....especially since the owner of the building already admitted it was demolished intentionally.

Also, as for your comment about us being on the margin of society, I wouldn't call 42% of America the margin of society.

Tough times indeed for the GOP Neo-Nazis.

Tom and Conpiracy

Tom and Conpiracy Smasher...you've had such a terrible loss of credibility...maybe the smartest thing to do is just "pull it".

"especially since the owner

"especially since the owner of the building already admitted it was demolished intentionally."

Of course he never said that...but you sad sacks will believe anything that isn't the truth....

Problem #1, Larry Silverstein is not a demolition contractor, neither was the fire department chief, so why should we assume theyÂ’d be using slang demolition terms?

Problem #2, Silverstein says "they made that decision to pull", for instance -- the Fire Department. If "pull" means "demolish", then he's saying the Fire Department may not have decided to bring the building down if they couldn't contain the fire, but because it was beyond them, they decided to blow it up. Does this make sense? Not in the slightest.

Problem #3, Silverstein is suggesting that the decision to demolish the building was optional. It might not have happened. Does this fit with the idea of a convenient insurance scam? No, not at all.

Problem #4, why would the Fire Department willingly agree to engage in a multi-million dollar insurance fraud?

Problem #5, and since when do Fire Departments blow up buildings anyway?

Problem #6, and if it's so obvious that WTC7 was demolished, then why are the insurance companies not suing Silverstein for fraud?

Problem #7, and why would Silverstein admit this on television?

You could argue that this is just Silverstein’s cover story, he didn’t really mean all that, he wasn’t speaking to the Fire Department, but then the situation is becoming even more complicated. What are we supposed to believe: that he accidentally let slip the truth in “pull it”, while lying elsewhere? What is the basis for picking out two words in this account as reliable, and dismissing most of the others?

And if "pull it" means "pull people away from the building", then the problems certainly fall away. This decision to pull really is optional, for instance (they could decide to try and fight it, or not). And it's a decision that could, and would be made by the Fire Department. With this interpretation we don't have to pick out some words, or throw any others away, and the answer actually makes sense.

Conspiracy Smasher: Is

Conspiracy Smasher:

Is Silverstein not a real estate "tycoon"? Does he not understand English?

If Silverstein meant that firefighters should exit the building (none were inside anyway) or leave the area, he would've said, "pull-out" or "pull-back" NOT "pull-it."

Silverstein was asked why WTC-7 fell on a PBS documentary. With all the incriminating videos clearly showing a controlled implosion, he had to say something.

The fire dept had nothing to do with this bullshit, & you know it. The shyster was talking out his ass (just like you) regarding the "fire chief."

Silverstein still got his insurance $$$, didn't he! (Oh, sure. No insurance Co. insiders could ever be in on a scam too.)

You are a rent-a-shill, Conspiracy Smasher!

From my discussions I

From my discussions I noticed that

- molten puddles of steel

is THE ONE THING that no 911-ignoramus
has an answer to. If I had to put my money on a single fact that will convince most sheeple to think again,
it is molten puddles of metal.

You know.. WTC7 as clear as day, but they say: THE UNDERSTRUCTURE was damaged from the fall of WTC1&2. Sure, you can argue until you are blue in the face... or just show photos of

molten puddles of metal.

So where is the BEST link-list
to molten puddles of metal?

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY HERE... instead
please go here and reply:

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/dazinith/115076807228805600/?a=38351#15...

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Excellent point on the

Excellent point on the molten metal!