it IS rent-a-shill! netvocates.com
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you dont know if its him?

Hmmm... think that's for real? Gonna PM him and check it out?

Ya... having DRG on was a thrill..

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1018.htm

who knew Jim Kelly was that stupid? great QB though.

it looks like it was all about the Bush-Bin Laden family ties, all good info but stopping way short obviously.

What was the first thing that caught your attention that 9/11 might be an inside job? The first website for me was letsroll911.org linked at the newsgroups.

the more they dig, the deeper the hole gets

all rallying behind Bush

You mean like this?
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/doc_bush_rnc_sheep.mp3

Apologies to any sensible Republican neighbors-- this music mix could just as well be about any group of sheeple.

Maybe at some point there'll be a group "Republicans for 9/11 truth", but right now there seems to be no interest for truth among the politically active Reps..

I pointed out the other day that the Christian Right have woken up to 911 Truth, but I don't think anyone noticed.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com

There's been MANY big name Republicans openly questioning 9/11...and be they a supporter of LIHOP or MIHOP, I think it's a good thing. Maybe thats why so many Dems refuse to come aboard, as they dont like bi partisan issues.

so a few big name republicans come out in favor of 9/11 truth and that means dems wont get on board? wow. what an argument.(AHEM, Cynthia McKinney, AHEM) lets not start this shit, 9/11 happened on the republicans watch for a reason after all.........

both Iraq wars happened on the republicans watch for a reason after all........

What's the matter with Jim Hoffman?
Abusing logic and language to attack S9/11T
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Just AGAIN heard the VERY IMPORTANT interview with Boyle.

1752-1-20060603-053106totwboyle.mp3

He makes it clear that BIOLOGICAL AGENTS (for another false-flag) attack is in PRIVATE HANDS.

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NIKO NOPLANERS:
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Listen from
151:00 on Howard Stern filename 09-11-01WTC-24.mp3 the guy describes the
plane he saw with his own eyes

Third explosion --
a decent sized plane -- 50-60 feet -- We saw the other plane flying around, we were watching it for a few minutes and then that plane disappeared into the building and blew up.

and then at 152:40 onwards a different person says:

the first plane we didn't see, the second time we actually saw the plane circleling around .. smashing into the building .. I saw the second plane (what did it look like? Did it look like a commercial plane) NO! they thought it was Airbus type like MD80

MD80 huh?

http://images.google.com/images?q=md80

On the BBC eyewitness website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1537530.stm

Then, low in the sky, I saw a plane coming, it had two engines on either side of the tail,

like an Md80!

What other planes have

two engines either side of the vertical stabilizer
looks like a 50 seater (20 metres)

learjet YEP
Md90 TOO BIG
md80 TOO BIG
dc9 TOO BIG
caravelle TOO BIG

Crhis, how many leftgatekeeper sites not only call us crazy, but censor every thing relating to 9/11? How many democrats call us "crazy", and tell us to accept "incompetence" while pushing their election and Iraq theories?

We know the Republican/GOP are corrupt, that's not a shocker. But for peopel to obsess so fervently over "Bush being evil" and how they hate the neocons every move...they sure do a good job believing every word of the official story. This is why its more frustrating when liberals attack us as being crazy than republicans when they do it.

But yes, the reason it happened under republicans watch...is because as much as many democrat politicians are compromised and lapdogs for whatever war plans go through, only the GOP can foister true corruption like the neocons. 9/11 would not have happened if Al Gore was president, and thats why they needed to secure Florida in my estimation.

There has to be at least one current or former Republican on this site. Start a Republicans for 911 Truth site, get Reynolds and/or someone else to jock it (personally, I think Reynolds is a little crazy) and presto, you should get some attention.

Crhis, how many leftgatekeeper sites not only call us crazy, but censor every thing relating to 9/11? How many democrats call us "crazy", and tell us to accept "incompetence" while pushing their election and Iraq theories?

I was at the gym and saw Kos on CNN and wanted to puke. He thinks he's a rockstar with the spotlight he has now, and I'm thinking all the while "Dude, your party is going to be dead in five years." The funny thing right now is that the turf war between mainstream left and blogs is coming the fore. Maureen Dowd (whom I wouldn't mind giving it to by the way) is very jealous of the Kos crowd and being rendered irrelevant by the blogosphere.
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com/2006/06/maureen-dowd-bloggers-double-do...

Canadair CL-601 Challenger,
Gulfstream C 20 B,
Tupolev TU 134
Fokker F 100
Canadair (Bombardier) CRJ 200,
Learjet (Bombardier) 45
Canadair (Bombardier) Global Express
Boeing 717-200
Embraer ERJ 135
Embraer ERJ 145 SA

NO! here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C-9_Nightingale.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-9

it even has the NOSE-SHAPE of Marcus Icke's GHOST GUN plane.

uuuhh or this military
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-11_Gulfstream_II
Pics:
http://images.google.com/images?q=C-11%20Gulfstream

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulfstream_G400/G450

nico, are you reading this?

leave a comment here or
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/

UA175 stand-in?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-38-pics.htm

Length 16.96 m. / 55 ft. 7 in.

The C-38, first acquired in 1997, is a US Air National Guard staff transport version of the Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd. / Galaxy Aerospace Corporation Astra SPX business jet.

...

The C-38A is equipped for commercial flight operations under Federal Aviation Administration guidelines. Converting the civil aircraft for its military role involved modifications to its avionics suite. The Air Force transport was equipped with US military versions of the global positioning system; tactical air navigation; ultrahigh-frequency/very-high-frequency command radio secure communications capability and an identification, friend or foe system. It is configured with the latest in vertical separation and safety equipment, along with new state-of-the-art avionics. These features are all integrated to the commercial avionics system. The commercial, off-the-shelf equipment also includes a terrestrial, aeronautical radio-telephone system that provides voice and data communications for the passengers. Also included is an extensive inertial reference navigation system. Because of its specialized electronics and global positioning system, the C-38A can assist in command control and communications in time of disaster or war.

The Air Force accepted the first of two C-38A aircraft 17 April 1998. The C-38A was procured by Aeronautical Systems Center’s commercial aircraft integrated product team, in partnership with the single program director at Oklahoma City Air Logistics Center, Tinker AFB, Okla. The program’s logistics support includes a $5.2 million contract to provide depot support and Contractor Operated and Managed Base Support functions. The C-38A acquisition program used streamlined acquisition reform techniques focused on saving time and funds. C-38As will be sustained by the integrated product team at Tinker.

Hey, the Press For Truth trailer is up

Click Here

u2r2h -
if some eyewitlesses saw a smaller plane with engines at the tail, yet what we see on different videos are different images of an almost 767 that slips thru the side of wtc2 without any resistance, what does that mean?

"Hey, the Press For Truth trailer is up"

So it is.

There is no current open thread so I don't know where else to put this:

Aaron Russom Battling With Cancer
http://www.rbnlive.com/Aaron_Russo.html

Mayben someone else posted this, but I didn't see it. He seems to be doing well.

I'm trying to understand why Hoffman considers the basement bomb theories to be "disinformation".

With all the eyewitness testimony of explosions in the basement, and the condition of the lobby before the collapse, what other corroborating evidence do you need to consider it "credible".

C-38 Specifications:

Contractor: Tracor Inc., Austin, Texas

now part of BAE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracor

Sensor Integration, headquartered in Austin, Texas,
http://www.ids.na.baesystems.com/

HERE are all versions!!!

http://www.landair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Execjet/westwind.htm

Here is a size-comparision

http://dimi.bravepages.com/C-38A%20Astra.JPG

"I'm trying to understand why Hoffman considers the basement bomb theories to be "disinformation".

I don't know why anyone would rule out anything regarding 9/11 including missiles attached to planes and holigraphic imaging until a real investigation takes place. Rule out nothing until the evidence proves otherwise. Calling anything disinformation seems silly to me because everything that attracks attention to 9/11 reveals that we haven't been given enough access to our government.

yo

I recommend everyone here read Jeremy Locke's "The End of All Evil". Fascinating quick read about the history of tyranny and how evil is losing it's power.

I think pod theories and other unsubstantiated 9/11 theories turn many people away.

It's easy not to believe the MIHOP position, even after looking at the evidence, not because the evidence isn't there, but because there is a lot of social pressure going against the MIHOP position and because the implications of the MIHOP position are deeply troubling.

Pod theories, holograms, and even talk of remote control planes don't help us discover the truth. The rule should be not to speculate. Griffin is pretty good at that. Fetzer is not particularly good at sticking to what he can know, and his arguments from authority put me off.

Hoffman seems sincere, but even his focus on weak arguments and idle speculation (even as he discredits these arguments and speculations) is a distraction.

"implications of the MIHOP position are deeply troubling."

The implications of not confronting MIHOP and allowing the perps to get away with this massive crime are even more troubling.

Once More: We Were Lied To About The Planes
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Whether an "airliner" hit the pentagon is an open question.

A: 757 hit the pentagon flown by Hani Hanjour

B: 757 hit the pentagon flown by remote control

C: Military aircraft similiar to 757 flew into pentagon by remote control and all parts removed

D: Cruise missle hit pentagon

E: Absolutely nothing hit the pentagon but rather explosives were used to make lots of smoke and noise.

F: Something hit the pentagon and explosives were used.

If it was a large aircraft, there would be some pieces left besides a little painted scrap metal. If the parts were removed, why the big secret, prove it was a 757 and end the discussion.

I do agree that wtc7 is the holy grail and there's really no reason not to just keep hammering on this. If WTC7 didn't fall to the ground because of profound sadness over the death of its brethren, then the official story has a problem.

We all know the official story only works if you're in complete denial which is not a river in egypt.

The official story is bullshit. The perps are getting rich and we're losing our country to the methodist mafia, a term coined by Kevin Phillips in his book about the Bush family. I prefer the bush crime family ala Mike "my man" Malloy.

Barbara Bush reminds me of the breeding female in Aliens. Pooching out foul monsters from her womb.

A little personal, sorry - good night

Hoffman is full of sh*&^%

Nothing to add, but this is a great thread. Many good insights, no flaming. Kudos.

bozo, you crack me up somtimes, you clown!

I had to do some "Conspiracy Smashing" of my own at the bottom of this thread:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/dazinith/115060469835841790/

Bozo, I love you clown! I'm sorry about all those years growing up punching your big red nose!

picture: http://www.freechannel.org/911_service.jpg

I'm bozo the 911 truth clown and if you give me any shit I'll place puts on your airline stock.

Yep, there's the alien Mother FrankV. She's spurting out those sand crab filled eggs out the back end.

Pod theories, holograms, and even talk of remote control planes don't help us discover the truth. The rule should be not to speculate. Griffin is pretty good at that

Oh give it a rest.

You seem to think that we will discover the truth when Bush is hanged.

a) this will not happen
b) even then you will not
DISCOVER the truth.

face it. 911 was an elaborate hollywood special effect snuff video.

If you can prove the hologramme..
now you have a story.

Let me explain my theory:

NO 767 crashed into the tower.
NO 757 crashed into the Pentagon
NO 757 crashed at shanksville.

The 2 eyewitnesses MINUTES AFTER IT HAPPENED in the Howard Stern radio broadcast CLEARLY say they saw a MD80-type plane FLY AROUND ... and then
hit the 2nd tower.

Impossible that they would have mistaken a 767 for it.

The:
how exactly did they do it

is the most important question, and worth getting stuck into.

That it has taken 5 years and we STILL don't know how it happened, can only be judged a victory for the perps. PERIOD.

So get those theories cracking. Computer simulations are very helpful. and START ADMITTING that physical proof is just that. The Marcus Icke GHOST GUN analysis is to be debated.

We need the resources of REALLY CLEVER PEOPLE with superb gizmos and TELEVISION MONEY (Italy!) to get the investigation going. I think GHOST GUN is the PRIMARY theory we have to work on. I know you cannot get your head around it... but YOU HAVEN'T TRIED. YOU ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS POP-MECHANICS... these guys also dismiss and try hard to explain TO FIT THE GIVEN RESULT.

Same with the scientists in news:///sci.astro.amateur ... they CANNOT BELIEVE 911 WAS A STUNT.

So far nobody has seriously tried to disprove Marcus Icke's
GHOST GUN

so, start reading now:

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ggua175/

and when you, like me, get stuck at the word scalar weapons...

I am not sure if these website:
http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm
http://www.ibrattleboro.com/article.php?story=20050924232242294
is any help. Curing Cancer sounds like crap to me.

Yet does this CLOAK-electromagnetic (light!)
technology exist IN ANY REAL FORM?

oh that was me u2r2h

http://u2r2h.blogspot.com