Dr. Fetzer...we couldn't be more proud of you. You stayed calm under pressure and you also handed FOX News their balls for screwing up yet again.

Awesome. Simply Awesome.

Maddog, well Poppy is one of higher up mechanics but he is now senile and sick..

Specter, Posada and others are younger and still worth to prosecute and guillotine publicly on the Mall..

Sad to think that Fetzer expressing his views without the usual personal attacks that we see in tv "journalism" strikes all of us as him cleaning the floor with them.
Sad. Very sad.

I initially was stoked thinking he slaughtered those guys, but then I thought "he merely was permitted to express what he was on the show to express".... Thankfully he deflected their cheap attempts at that typical attack method... bravo Fetzer...

Congratulations, Dr. Fetzer. Good Job.

WOW. Thanks for posting that vid.
I was truly amazed. He mopped the foor with them.

Refreshing to see a guest not get herded into their usual chaos tactics.

No statements directed at other users?If you are misquoted and lied about , concerning the topic? I'm confused , and I feel like I've been lumped in with Nico over this.My "legit" comments were ignored and then deleted anyway.

Note: The Fox headline above is factually inaccurate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. its still funny, time after time, its still hilarious.

Has anyone posted about the possibility that Jim Fetzer will be on Laura Ingraham tonight?? See st911.org

loved it when Fetzer says from the beginning that Colmes had his facts "foxed."

LMAO. so true.

..i think i noticed a technical manipulation on side of H+C, which is an old TV studio trick to let look someone stupid.

When Hannity asked his first question, the control room didn't give him "air".
That means he had no sound on his earclip. In this way, he looked old or senile. Lousy trick, but easy to recognize...

well spotted, Nico!

Hey Douglas!

YES!! YES!!

Thanks for posting this Chomsky enlightenment... very very valuable.

And I agree! Fetzer did a marvellous job, he really got 50% fairness... the most one can expect.

Makes you think though... how on earth can US americans be informed with this kind of TV format?

They have longer segments in areas where is does not matter... fashion, sports....

Douglas, please work on your blog... I like to read something from your neck of the woods. Is Oregon more sane that the rest of the USA zoo?

just rewatched it.. good job Dr. Fetzer.

Just watched for first time, simply amazing. He took it to those talking head bastards. We need more people with this kind of courage, determination and intelligence.

Yes, they took much of the time clearing up the fact that it's not taught in schools, yet they still did not take down the banner that said "911 conspiracies being taught at universities". Even after this was cleraed up once, it was asked again. However, Fetzer did an good job, quickly brought up the "do the orders still stand?" comment and made it clear how certain he and his colleagues are that the government's account is false. Bin Laden's confession was brought up but Fetzer didn't mention "fat bin laden tape" or his other statements saying he didn't do it. Too bad.

Yikes that was ugly for Fox.

Incidentally, I accidentally watched 10 minutes of Bill O'Reilly due to the "train wreck" factor and watched him get extremely upset when he was accused of being a cheerleader for the Bush administration by his guest.

Are Fox News viewers that retarded that they take O'Reillys's word for it or do republicans acknowledge what a hack this guy is?

It seems like the dam is beginning to leak...

It's time for all of us to keep chipping away at it piece by piece and eventually, it will burst.

The f__ckin sooner the better!

Okay, Charlie & Alex, grab your pick axes, you're up next!

Congratulations Dr. Fetzer.

I love it.

He kicked their ass all over the show.

If even one Hanity and Colmes viewer does some research and it leads them to the truth due to the airing of this segment, then it will be well worth Dr. James Fetzer's time.

I just wanted to tell him thanks for going on the show and telling the truth to the world!

Nick... did you see this?

Dr. James Fetzer did an OUTSTANDING JOB!!! It's hard to believe they aired it. Imagine having the traitor Ollie North on. Wow!!! Fetzer kicked some neocon ass big time. This just made my day. As Malloy would say, "Have I told you lately how much I hate these people?"

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=glidefounda...

this is hilarious - someone from the 9/11 truth in NY should try to win this auction, and then bust the old geezer at dinner.... Buffet financed some of 9/11 I think.

Whether you believe me or not,
but i give Fetzer 9 from 10 PR points for this appearance tonight.

Good job to keep the flagwavers nervous (which are not the 9/11 perps!)

It was actually also the first time that Fetzer turned into an impressive comedian when he indirectly addressed Oli North's own conspiracies :)

This was indeed a real unscripted appearance from Fetzer, compared to the lousy staged script from Berger a few days ago.
http://911closeup.com/nico/scar_berger.html

Again, thumbs up and we will see when Fetzer will wake up to realize, that all these 'conspiracy facts' won't help anymore pretty soon, if US mainstream media continues to play the 9/11 truthling media like this and now even bring Oli North to show that they still have everything under control ;-)

Better be prepared for the big red herring day, when they will spin the final counter spin for controlled demolition and check this:

http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/

And the fascist WW warmongers won't sleep either:
WW4/5 -the countdown and sideshow continues...
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1515.20

Wargame + Terror Drill Watch 2006 (Pt.2)
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2617

LOL They had to cut you off, Dr. Fetzer!! Good show, thank you so much.

Hey FAUX: OUR airwaves, bastards.

The Ramones -- We Want the Airwaves
http://diymedia.net/audio/mp3/wwta.mp3

Orwellian dz took over again and started to censor.

bah, if the solution here is not to censor anything then lets just do that.. i dont think that is what everyone wants, and i dont like being associated with a website in which the comments become so hateful - would you?

Is this Roger Peters deciding this or who is really dictating for him?

i'm at work, so my boss is the only one dictating me, and obviously he isn't doing a very good job, but thanks for questioning my intentions, its much appreciated.

I hate neo cons SO MUCH, just watching their faces as Dr. Fetzer was talking makes me sick. Way to go Dr. Fetzer, I will take you over Michael Berger any day.

...i think i noticed a technical manipulation on side of H+C, which is an old TV studio trick to let look someone stupid.

When Hannity asked his first question, the control room didn't give him "air".
That means he had no sound on his earclip. In this way, he looked old or senile. Lousy trick, but easy to recognize...

Holy Shit!

That is by far the best exposure I've seen. Anyone else care to comment?

U2r2h,
I remember the story when it initially broke, and he was just "missing".
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10696
The guy's got a deep resume, pretty tight with select neocons, somebody like this ends up dead, something's up.
Let's see the MSM try to dig into this one. Cowards.

thats all Nico can do to you anyway is cry "1984, fake truthlings, i barely speak english, blah blah blah". who cares what that professional disruptor thinks?

dz, isn't it obvious that Nico Haupt (and others who use his handle) is a professional disinfo artist, rabble-rouser, button-pusher, disrupter, etc.???

I finally got a chance to see this clip and I think Fetzer faced an immense challenge and did just about as well as anybody could. The problem was the format. Chomsky described it well in Manufacturing Consent:

Chomsky: Last time I was out there, he wanted to arrange an interview when I was in the area giving some talks on the media. He started by playing a tape that he had that you've probably heard where he had interviewed Jeff Greenfield, some mucky-muck with *Nightline*. He asked Greenfield, How come you never have Chomsky on? Greenfield starts with a kind of tirade about how this guy's a wacko from Neptune. After he calmed down and stopped foaming at the mouth, he then said something which was quite right: Look, he probably "lacks concision." We need the kind of people who can say something in a few brief sentences. Maybe the best expert on some topic is from Turkey and speaks only Turkish. That's no good for us. We've got to get somebody who can say something with concision, and this guy Chomsky just rants on and on. There's something to that.

Take a look at the February/March 1990 Mother Jones. There's an interesting article by Marc Cooper in which he does an analysis of the main people who appear as experts on shows. Of course, they're all skewed to the right, and the same people appear over and over. But the commentary is interesting. He talks to media people about this and they say, These are people who know how to make their thoughts concise and simple and straightforward and they can make those brief two-sentence statements between commercials. That's quite significant. Because if you're constrained to producing two sentences between commercials, or 700 words in an op-ed piece, you can do nothing but express conventional thoughts. If you express conventional thoughts, you don't need any basis for it or any background, or any arguments. If you try to express something that's somewhat unconventional, people will rightly ask why you're saying that. They're right. If I refer to the United States invasion of South Vietnam, people will ask, "What are you talking about? I never heard of that." And they're right. They've never heard about it. So I'd have to explain what I mean.

Or suppose I'm talking about international terrorism, and I say that we ought to stop it in Washington, which is a major center of it. People back off, "What do you mean, Washington's a major center of it?" Then you have to explain. You have to give some background. That's exactly what Jeff Greenfield is talking about. You don't want people who have to give background, because that would allow critical thought. What you want is completely conformist ideas. You want just repetition of the propaganda line, the party line. For that you need "concision". I could do it too. I could say what I think in three sentences, too. But it would just sound as if it was off the wall, because there's no basis laid for it. If you come from the American Enterprise Institute and you say it in three sentences, yes, people hear it every day, so what's the big deal? Yeah, sure, Qaddafi's the biggest monster in the world, and the Russians are conquering the world, and this and that, Noriega's the worst gangster since so-and-so. For that kind of thing you don't need any background. You just rehash the thoughts that everybody's always expressed and that you hear from Dan Rather and everyone else. That's a structural technique that's very valuable. In fact, if people like Ted Koppel were smarter, they would allow more dissidents on, because they would just make fools of themselves. Either you would sell out and repeat what everybody else is saying because it's the only way to sound sane, or else you would say what you think, in which case you'd sound like a madman, even if what you think is absolutely true and easily supportable. The reason is that the whole system so completely excludes it. It'll sound crazy, rightly, from their point of view. And since you have to have concision, as Jeff Greenfield says, you don't have time to explain it. That's a marvelous structural technique of propaganda.

Fetzer was excellent. That was quite the sudden ending, wasn't it? In fairness to Ollie, he was actually quite calm and....normal. I too liked how Fetzer used the example of Iran-Contra to point out how rogue networks can be kept secret (for a while anyway). What was up with colmes asking the same question 4 different ways? Jeez, what a waste of time.

Fetzer is an incredibly smart guy and he totally dismantled those Fox whores. Imagine the gall of having traitor North on there.

Face it folks: much of the MSM is complicit in this huge scam and treason.

Has anyone posted about the possibility that Jim Fetzer will be on Laura Ingraham tonight?? See st911.org
Alex |

I've been trying to get a confirmation of that, to no luck so far.

Dr. Fetzer did an Excellent job! Clearly, he was prepared to be derailed, and he worked with it to make the hosts look rediculous with their silly questions. I'm sure that Dr. Fetzer got more than a few people thinking. Awesome!

i should note, in the future there will be hierchical comments.. this will make it to where those that want to have social discussion can, and those that want to yell at each other can, and everyone can be happy - unlike the current comments section where one arguement can ruin a whole thread and everyone else just gives up on it.

you can find an example of hierchical comments at dailykos for example.

It really didn't go very far for either side but Fetzer did get the better of North and Colmes. Still it wasn't enough.

what, and become an insessant focus of whomever i ban? anyone who i might ban becomes obsessed with me, convinced i have a personal vendetta against them, or their opinion, or am banning them to keep thier information under wraps.

i dont want to moderate these things at all, but sometimes it just gets way to out of hand.

unfortunately im not here to monitor every post all the time, so yeah, people get in here and start shit, or make hateful comments, but the real reason why this becomes a bigger issue is because people think they have a forum here from which to bash who they might like, or state how anyone who holds a certain opinion is a moron, etc. etc. and there are many many people who do this, from all different sides.

at the end of the day the comments section are meant to post comments related to the posted material, not to spark arguements with others, or post hateful remarks towards those with certain opinions.

p.s. by just mentioning 2 other users as disrupters you in affect just gave them reason to respond back to you and attack you.. you see, its a cyclical type of situation.. which is why no statements should be directed at other users.

at the end of the day, these are just comments, and unless they are useful they really serve no purpose, and i have never seen anything useful come from any of this bickering i see. if you want to have a real discussion that is great, but this is not a discussion forum either! :)

Wow, never mind the big BS push about a fictional CT "course" attempt by the Faux crowd, this segment SHOULD be made into a "How to handle the Domesticated Media 101" college course-

That was impressive and must have the porcine crowd screeching in their stys, while Wilbur types question their hidden gallows masters real intent-

Great nite for Hannity to hide, fer sure; Ollie-

It is the eternal question. To ban or not to ban.

I think it is fair to assume that Nico and 911Blimp are disruptors given the fact that they attack every credible activist and researcher out there.

" i just made an abusive use of my admin powers and deleted half the CRAP that was in this thread."

Thank dz!

just got confirmation from Dr. Fetzer that that was indeed him who commented early this morning, and that he did not know the spin they had on the story until 5 minutes before it aired.

I agree dz. I have often wondered why Nico and 911Blimp are even allowed to participate when they clearly are disruptors.

I guess you can lump my ONE post on this ENTIRE thread in with this (which you clearly did by deleting it) - but, on the other hand, just how many personal attacks from these clowns must we endure?

Why not just ban them?

Good job dz.What a treat .To watch fetzer on tv ,then get to thank him personally on this site.

wow, funny how they abruptly shut him down. It was obvious they couldn't handle him like they thought they could. I am surprised they even did a show on it. I know they wanted to bash "liberal universities" and create an uproar between "patriotic" fox viewers against anyone who dares claim that the US gov. had anything to do with those horrific events. I know that was their intention. But, I am still surprised that they risked it. Damn, did it backfire on them!

i just made an abusive use of my admin powers and deleted half the CRAP that was in this thread.

this is not the Nico forum, this is not the NY911truth forum, in fact this is not a forum at all, these are comments - take all the hateful infighting crap elsewhere please!

or, just repost it all and keep wasting your time ;)

(sorry for the deletion of posts here, but seriously, most of us could really care less about incessantly arguing over others personal opinions)

thewebfairy,

please dont flood the comments with massive email chains that have nothing to do with this thread.. post it on a website somewhere and link it in an open thread if you wish.

do you plan to delete all the personal attacks, non-related comments from the obvious antagonists too , as they happen? Or shall we turn the other cheek when lied about? Nothing personal dz , but when you blanket delete like that,people are less likely to comment at all.Isn't that one of the the disinformers goals?
Please forgive my indulgence , that is all I will say on that subject.

What was all that static about during the interview ,any one else get that?

when you blanket delete like that,people are less likely to comment at all.Isn't that one of the the disinformers goals?

hrm. well, there are a lot of forums out there for discussion, i guess part of the point i was making is that this is not a discussion forum..

and if those that post comments which are personal attacks see that those comments are then deleted, then perhaps they wouldn't bother coming here as much to post such comments..

i think the only real solution here is to either always be here moderating - which i cannot do - or to never moderate and let every thread become crap..

like i said, its a catch 22, and this is probably the first time in 3 months i have felt the need to go through a thread and sweep it, although i have wanted to a few times in the last month..

i'm not perfect by any means, so whenever i do any moderation i always have someone who doesnt agree with it, but at the same time i have everyone always asking why i dont delete this post, or ban that user - a catch 22 yet again.

if you have any suggestions id love to hear them, just email me.

Orwellian dz took over again and started to censor.

Is this Roger Peters deciding this or who is really dictating for him?

Since 911blogger.com appears to be "1984" pure, there is no chance to make a point today. Cartoonland took over.

Nice day everyone

sorry colin, i just went through and deleted anything that didnt really have to do with fetzer's appearance on H&C - i wasnt passing judgement on anything that was said, just trying to get rid of the unrelated bickering.

Best part of the interview was this exchange...

_____----

Ollie: How many people in the gov't were part of this conspiracy? Hundreds? Thousands?

Fetzer: No, no Ollie. I think it's a small number. You know about classified, controlled operations where everything's compartmentalized.

Ollie: (over Fetzer): SURE, Yeah.

__________--

Ollie was the PERFECT person to mention this point to. Given his first hand experience, I would think that Ollie would have been all over Fetzer... instead we get the cut back to the split screen.... it almost looked as if something was clicking behind Ollie's eyes. Maybe "Oh shit, I thought Iran/Contra was bad..."?

Any explanation offered as to why ollie was chosen? Somethin fishy about it all.

just watched it again. friggin inspirational.

Is it a coencidence that less than 24 hours after Fetzer's excellent commentary in where he talks about Mineta's testimony regarding Cheney's stand down orders, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta of 5 and a half years suddenly announces that he is resigning "Because he wants to"?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200737,00.html

Jon Gold - It is interesting that you sent me the link to the testimony of Norman Mineta lat night.

He resigned today.

Here is the link to the news story.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/23/mineta.resigns.ap/index.html

It would be interesting to see what he has to say now that he is no longer working for the Bush Administration..

That was probably the best MSM interview I've seen. Very, very good job Mr. Fetzer! That was the best representation of the Scholars that I've seen come out on the MSM. With some of the significant facts about 9/11 thrown in.

Colmes and Ollie weren't successful in discrediting any of Fetzer's claims, or in bashing him or the organization.

One thing I should point out is that Alan Colmes seems at least mildly interested in the topic of 9/11. He has responded to my emails thanking him for talking about the issue on his radio show. He is a bit meek when compared to Hannity, and likely does what his producers tell him to, but he does show an interest in the topic. I thought it was great that he made sure to clarify that they got the headline wrong for this story.

Also, Fetzer confirming with Ollie that he knew about the scope of secret government operations was Classic. Excellent work Mr. Fetzer.

Is it a coencidence that less than 24 hours after Fetzer's excellent commentary in where he talks about Mineta's testimony regarding Cheney's stand down orders, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta of 5 and a half years suddenly announces that he is resigning "Because he wants to"?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...,200737,00.html
drok | 06.23.06 - 3:55 pm | #
who knows? maybe Mineta got shook by it, and by the overall coverage of 9/11 in the MSM in recent weeks.theres really no way of knowing at this point.also with the FBI, the fact that they recently admitted that they have no hard evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11. are they just covering their collective asses? also you have Robert Baer of the CIA saying the evidence points at 9/11 being an "inside job"(despite his Iran allegations).you have these fake ass "domestic terror threats". things have been interesting lately. many of the signs point to the fact that we are making progress and people are positioning themselves for when the damn breaks all the way.which seems to be kind of soon if there isnt another 9/11 type attack to slow us down.

Maybe FOX got it wrong on purpose just to get an interview Jim Fetzer with Ollie North and others on the 911 cover-up. Seems strange that this got on the air at all !!
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"In Times Of Universal Deciet, Telling The Truth Becomes A Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

it's more than a little ironic that the guest following Fetzer was none other than Benny Netanyahoo! (sic)

Benny (former Israeli PM) was the cat who travelled all around the world in the 80's and 90's warning of the impending dangers of "Islamic terrorism" (nudge nudge, wink wink).

kudos Dr. Fetzer

I'm confused? I thought the order was to not shoot down flight 93 which was going to the white house? Why would Fetzer say the plane that was going to hit the pentagon?