Hannity and Colmes are on in about 15 minutes, here is an open thread for discussing Fetzer's appearance. Please keep other discussions out of this thread.
"I actually wouldn't be surprised if Fetzer lied to the Fox producers about classes being taught just to get on the show. And guess what... I'm ok with that."
Bingo! Lie onwards!
"This, you say, was promoted by Fox in an attempt to attack so-called "liberal universities", not the real perps behind 9.11."
No, it was the way Fetzer got Fox's interest in having him on.
"only a moron would think that scholars for 9/11 truth was a group of teachers teaching 9/11 conspiracy theories. like fox news."
No one said that.
"where's your proof sking?"
LOL, dz. Looks who's talking.
" Oh, is S.King back. Man, these stooges are gonna be working O/T tonight."
Just for a short visit. Don't get so excitied.
" t was live and I only knew how they were going to spin it when I heard the promo in make-up. "
Sorry, guy, pretending to be Fetzer is a no-no.
You may now carry on with your denial.
S. King (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 9:28pm.
my hats off to you for doing a great job. You really did a great job. thanks for all your hard work. We're all searching for the truth and i respect your honesty.
I think we can all agree that now the important issue is obviously exposing 9-11. There is so much concrete evidence about 911. Rational people can't look past the facts. We can prove controlled demolition.
You totally rocked tonight. You did the best job so far of anyone who managed to get on the mainstream media.
I just got an email from JIm Fetzer, (really!) I can prove it and talked to Janice Mathews of 991.truth.org by telephone. I sent them both a check, that's the bottom line people. $$$$$$$ they need it. didn't know where ot make a differrence for a long time but I'm up off my ass now. Yeah Jim Fezter
Mark B (not verified) on Sat, 06/24/2006 - 2:54am.
Oh, is S.King back. Man, these stooges are gonna be working O/T tonight.
What's that, like 9 bucks an hour on an honest CIA salary?
somebigguy | Homepage | 06.22.06 - 11:03 pm | #
when you see old "pros" like S.King come out of the wood work, you know we are making progress.be afraid shills.
Chris (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:31pm.
So, counterintellpro is in the game here on this forum. However is moderating your doing a great job. I have information regarding counterintelpro but not sure if this is the right forum for it. I haven't figure out hwo to participate in the rest of the 911olgge forums.
Moderator tell me what you think?
What about the guy pretending to be fetzer? Were you able to figure that one out? I thought it was Fetzer? sounded like him, he's not a liar. All we have to do is stick to the SCIENTIFIC evidence!
Mark B (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:32pm.
What's with the static? I'm in Iowa and getting it. What if it goes out just before fetzer is on? Is Oliver North worse than Hannity? Is that even possible?
oddly enough, oliver north is actually worse than hannity - maybe we should have former military on all our news channels.. im sure he's got a clean history right?
immortal technique: The fourth branch of the government AKA the media
Seems to now have a retirement plan for ex-military officials
As if their opinion was at all unbiased
A machine shouldn't speak for men
So shut the fuck up you mindless drone!
And you know it's serious
When these same media outfits are spending millions of dollars on a PR campaign
To try to convince you they're fair and balanced
When they're some of the most ignorant, and racist people
Giving that type of mentality a safe haven
Not surprised Hannity's not there, Colmes, who is at the very least 9-11 curious, gets the night. I believe he's been on Alex Jones before and I'm pretty sure Alan's had Fetzer on his radio show before. Ollie's just gonna bully or try to. Go Fetz!
Thomas Jefferson (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:21am.
Why don't they want to get any of their "main guys" in front of a 9/11 skeptic? Is it because they would be made to look like fools, and would lose any and all credibility?
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:21am.
FYI, this is the 2nd time in one week that 9/11 'conspiracy theories' has been on primetime..
i am trying to determine if this is an attempt by the right to associate 9/11 skeptics with the democrats in an attempt to bash them to gain in polls..
if that happens we need to just point out dailykos and other 'left' blogs that wont touch 9/11..
I'm going to move to Chicago, buy an HD video camera or two, and set up in a building next to the Sears Tower so that when we have to prove that the Administration did it, I'll have some good video footage. If I don't get arrested.
"I'm going to move to Chicago, buy an HD video camera or two, and set up in a building next to the Sears Tower so that when we have to prove that the Administration did it, I'll have some good video footage. If I don't get arrested."
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:35am.
"FYI, this is the 2nd time in one week that 9/11 'conspiracy theories' has been on primetime..
i am trying to determine if this is an attempt by the right to associate 9/11 skeptics with the democrats in an attempt to bash them to gain in polls..
if that happens we need to just point out dailykos and other 'left' blogs that wont touch 9/11.."
Good point.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:36am.
A couple of weeks ago Alex Jones was talking about Colmes and said that he tries the best he can to get the info out there. He never said that Colmes is in tune with the NWO, but he's at least suspicious. Colmes is working in such a box on that show, he really has no chance to actually say what he thinks. but at least he was able to get Fetzer on tv
Ian C (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:36am.
The intimidation factor is pretty high.
FOX is working closely with Bushco to put dirty operatives like Oliver North on the front lines of the discussion to combat the 9/11 truth movement. This makes it appear that the evidence accumulated for 9/11 truth is a real threat to them.
Cloak & Swagger (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:38am.
I never watch Fox. This is painful. I wonder if they'll ever suggest HOW the Miami guys were plannning to bring down the Sears Tower. That could be interesting.
casseia (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:40am.
AA, I agree, there should have been more time, but in the time given, they allowed Fetz to deliver the message to the point without cutting him off. At least that's how it appeared to me.
Cloak & Swagger (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:48am.
Oliver North asks how many people would have been involved in 9/11. Fetzer should have asked him, well, why don't you tell me, you surely know?
Actually, he could have asked him: Well, how many people were involved in your own Iran-Contra scam and coke-for-arms pipeline?
Astoundingly, no real attack, just a cut-off after very little time. Fetzer got the advantage immediately when they lost their main talking point due to bad research (they thought he was actually teaching a 9/11 conspiracies course, and wanted to go into profs poisoning students. Since that's not the case, he had them wrong, period, and they seemed quite disoriented.)
Got in the Mineta point and then no more than a statement about the towers being demolished before Ollie asked him the how many people question and then cut him off soon after.
Astonishingly non-disastrous.
(I would have had a lot more fun here than with
Laura Ingraham, oh well.)
Well that was a revelatory event. It barely had begun before it was over.
Fetzer did better than I expected- considering the limitations. But damn those limitations! The ramifications for a LIHOP or particularly MIHOP explanation of 9/11 are so profound, so unprecedented, so potentially disruptive to the whole of our society, and it gets less airtime than the salacious rapists and stalkers crap!
One wonders if the unedited segment was considerably longer, but didn't afford them any great soundbites to string Fetzer up with...
Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:51am.
I really liked the way he approached the attack on the pentagon, he never quetioned what hit it, becuase they'll waste the time asking him the question the media asks : If it wasn't a plane then what hit it, and inducing people to speculate!!! I think he dominated the interview!!!!!
I've seen it to varying degrees in the past, but, juxtapose Hannity with Colmes. Smarmy manly man (conservative, father figure) vs. gaunt pencilneck Colmes (librul girly man). There were nights when they had colmes made up like a woman, brazen rouge on the cheeks, lipstick. FAUX News is all about pimping for the fake left/right paradigm... overtly and with such subconscious suggestion.
Poopy (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:52am.
No doubt that they cut the interview short for one reason or another. We can assume that Fetzer made some great points that rendered North speechless. Maybe he did try to get some information from North, you know.. catch him off guard.
Their emphasis, though, was on the idea of a "required" class. Like, you have to study 9/11 to graduate. You've got your freshman composition, your PE, and your 9/11 inquiry classes...
casseia (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:54am.
Ok, A year or so ago there was a course being taught by a lady and she was on Alex Jones' Show. I can't remember her name but her website says she passed away. I'm not BS'ing. She's not even alive now. That's the only course that I was aware of.
Jimmy (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:57am.
Thanks for the reply Jon Gold. IMO Fetzer shouldn't be concerned about what someone he isn't affiliated with is teaching.
"Their emphasis, though, was on the idea of a "required" class. Like, you have to study 9/11 to graduate. You've got your freshman composition, your PE, and your 9/11 inquiry classes..."
LMAO How stupid does Fox News think their viewers are? What a retarded angle for a hit piece. lol
ksu_s13 (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 10:59am.
dz says he has a video on the way... the only thing I said during the taping is when Ollie asked James Fetzer how many people would be required to pull this off, etc... and I said, "It was your friends"...
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:04am.
He did a great job. No doubt about that. But I still think Building 7 should always be mentioned on MSM coverage. For most people that I talk to, Building 7 was the aspect that got them questioning the official story. The more people that hear about Building 7, the better imho.
Seve B (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:05am.
It was obvious that the FOX angle was going to be to trash the schools in which the professors were teaching "conspiracy theories." Then those professors would feel the blow-back from the right-wingers at the school and the right-wing parents of students and th right-wingers on the Board of the schools, bringing all kinds of grief to these guys.
But Fetzer did an end-run around their trap for him right at the first! After that they didn't know what to do and he got a few precious moments to state some good truths to the entire FOX audience! BRAVO JAMES FETZER!!!!
Michael Ivey (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:05am.
Fetzer was great! I think he tied Alex Jones in eye-opening information per second. Way to take advantage of the opportunity, Professor. You made Faux cut and run.
Lokijohn (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:07am.
Doutless their "producer" spent a fair amount of time with Fetzer pre-interview trying to figure the best way to make Jim - and other truthers -look bad.
Gratifying to see the best he could do was to invent a story about 911 classes being taught on campus.
sandy (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:07am.
I found it! This is the lady who taught the 9/11 course!
November 22, 2005
Dr. Jane Christensen
Rocky Mount, N.C. — North Carolina Wesleyan College regrets to announce that Dr. Jane Christensen, Professor of Political Science, passed away following a long illness on Sunday, November 20, 2005. Dr. Christensen had been on medical leave for the fall semester. Since joining NC Wesleyan in 1989, Dr. Christensen taught courses in American politics, and in political science research methods. Previously she had taught at the State University of New York, Albany and at East Carolina University. "Our community has been saddened by Dr. Christensen's passing," stated Dr. Ian Newbould, President of NC Wesleyan College in announcing her death. "Jane reminded us of the need to keep an open mind concerning the political issues of the day. Her views were not those popularly held, and she excited passionate debate among her colleagues and students, many of whom admired her, many of whom disagreed with her. We ask that you keep her family in your thoughts and prayers."
Prison Planet/Infowars Websites Staple Of 9/11 College Course
Prison Planet | March 31 2005
TomFlocco.com is reporting that a North Carolina Wesleyan College is running a political course in which the professor, Jane Christensen PhD, recommends a daily visit to Alex Jones' websites to her students.
The course, (POL 495) 911 The Road to Tyranny, is broken up into two segments, the events of 9/11 and the ensuing war on terrorism. The course is marked on both essay papers and final exams.
Required reading includes George Humphrey's, 9/11: The Great Illusion and the 9/11 archive of Infowars.com.
Other websites listed include Rense.com, GlobalResaecrh.ca and Counterpunch.org.
Alex Jones' critically acclaimed documentary 9/11 The Road to Tyranny is also included in the course outline.
In a phone interview, Jane Christensen PhD advised people who became downbeat over the sometimes disheartening information, “Don’t stop talking about it” and/or “be like Alex, just keep telling everyone.”
We thank Jane for her efforts and hope to see similar courses popping up in other areas of the country.
Tom Flocco (he of the "Barbara Olson is alive and well in Europe" exclusive) is a disinfo agent. Even if this story is true, I'd recommend people in the Truth movement don't link to him or plug him anywhere.
Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:13am.
just a question as i don't know where else to post. Why don't people talk about the time it took per floor for the 'pancake' theory to be plausible. You know, 100 floors at 1 second = 100 seconds. Thus, 100 floors at 10 seconds = .1 second per floor.
I think that would be a GREAT argument? Anyone?
ChrisB (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:13am.
Nothing against Berger, Jones, or even DRG, but I think they ought to let Fetz do the talking. He's a good balance of Truth voices. Far better orator and debater and tougher on the spot. Alex Jones is good too but his bullhorning can at times defeat the messsage...though somebody's got to do the bullhorning.
Thomas Jefferson (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:16am.
That *is* a great argument, and pretty much the one that sent me through the looking glass and into 9/11 skepticism. However, I think people in general are so hopelessly stupid and uneducated in even basic science that even the simplest anti-pancake argument may be over their heads. Moreover, debunkers always say, "oh yeah, are you a structural engineer? How many structural engineers agree with you?"
casseia (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:19am.
"FYI, this is the 2nd time in one week that 9/11 'conspiracy theories' has been on primetime..
"i am trying to determine if this is an attempt by the right to associate 9/11 skeptics with the democrats in an attempt to bash them to gain in polls.."
Dear me, I watched the entire show, it was obvious what was happening from the beginning and none of you have caught on.
Fetzer got caught in a lie and he just alienated Colmes for good.
If you were paying attention, the piece was presented on what Fetzer told the producers - that 9/11 conspiracy theories were being taught in the classroom.
Oh, you say, not so!
Oh yes, that is what Fetzer sold the Fox producer. You think that the promos weren't vetted and predicated on what Fetzer told them?
Fetzer lied to them to get on the show for one purpose - to make Fox look like bumpkins. Smart people got that right away. Colmes got that more than anyone (Ollie knows enough about black ops to know that 9/11 could not have been pulled off by the government by a "handful of people.")
Fetzer got cut off for misrepresenting what he told the producers - never to be seen again on Fox or any other network (they're watching, you know) as anything but a freak, fraud, and charlatan that rational people know he has been all along. Don't tell me I didn't warn you a long time ago.)
So enjoy your ignorance of what happened tonight. You'll soon have a bad hangover.
Sleep well.
S. King (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:24am.
Fetzer did a much better job than I expected he would. The angle of the 9/11 college class that Fox's attempted to frame this segment on, clearly backfired upon them. Fetzer turned the tables on both Colmes and North.
Obviously someone gave Fox information that this was the case or they wouldn't have pimped out this segment on this issue.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was not a clever move on part of Dr. Fetzer. Give them enough information in the preinterviews to make them assume that classes were being taught. This effectively turns the guns of the MSM upon themselves, and the hunters become the hunted.
I can see the producers now, practically foaming out the mouth with the possible attacks they could launch upon the "liberal universities" that were allowing such classes.
TheBob (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:24am.
S. King: Are you psychic or something. You seem to know an awful lot about what's going on behind the scenes...or do has Fetzer confessed to lying to Fox just like Cheney confessed that the Secret Service was in the loop about the attacks on the World Trade Center well before the pentagon was hit?
Douglas Lain (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:29am.
I think a lot of people don't understand that scholars/academics do a lot more than teach classes. Fetzer could easily have framed it as "more and more scholars and academics are examining 9/11" and the only thing that would mean to them is that they are teaching (required) classes.
casseia (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:33am.
I think you have to get on a child's level with the people. I read the story of the gingerbread man to my son tonight and he gets it. The fox tells the gingerbread man to get on his back to protect the gingerbread man and then to his neck and then, gulp!
Itsaputon (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:34am.
He got cut off because he was clearly slaughtering both Colmes and North. If they misunderstood him and leapt at the opptunity in a Dan Rather type manner, without doing any type of fact checking, then its their own fault. Heck, I might have given too much credit to Dr. Fetzer, it may have been an issue as simple as being over eager to slander. Regardless, by not fact checking you set yourself up for an asskicking.
TheBob (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:35am.
Forget s911t, we need a "Structural Engineers for 9/11 Truth". That would initiate eyebrow muscles that many people didn't even know existed.
That or I need to study to be an engineer.
Brian (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:35am.
Again sorry for not knowing where to post if there is a forum here.
I have the possibility to do an ad-hoc radio show here in Houston on pacifica 90.1. It is a pretty popular alternative radio station that my landlady (she does a show on there) says will let me discuss 9/11.
Does anyone have any good ideas as to what i could do? I want to have someone on, but not sure if they would come since i lack the radio "credentials."
ChrisB (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:35am.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Fetzer lied to the Fox producers about classes being taught just to get on the show. And guess what... I'm ok with that.
I think this brings up a bigger question - Does everyone here think that MSM coverage is the ONLY thing that will bring 9/11 truth into the American public's consciousness to the extent that those responsible will be held accountable?
Seve B (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:37am.
do what i did. just replay clips from this site on your show. Get a free audio editing program like Audacity at www.download.com, and edit together material thats available here on 911 blogger.com . Its really easy and you don't have to be a great speaker. replay stephen jones, and DRG, and all the plethora of stuff out there. if you think you might need permission first, just ask, and most people will give you permission to replay their stuff for non-profit purposes.
S.King: IF what you say is true, then good for Fetzer!
Think about it for a moment. You're saying that the only way Fetzer got on Fox was with this false story of university classes teaching 9.11. This, you say, was promoted by Fox in an attempt to attack so-called "liberal universities", not the real perps behind 9.11.
If this is the case, then Colmes and the other holes at Fox deserve to be lied to. Furthermore, it implies that Fox producers are fully aware of the truth of 9.11 yet are deeply engaged in a campaign to twist the facts to suit their pro-Bush neoconservative agenda.
This of course is the case, so it doesn't really matter that Fetzer may have alienated Colmes or anyone else at Fox. Fetzer did what needed to be done to get the truth out.
May truth prevail!
African American (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:44am.
"S.King: IF what you say is true, then good for Fetzer!
Think about it for a moment. You're saying that the only way Fetzer got on Fox was with this false story of university classes teaching 9.11. This, you say, was promoted by Fox in an attempt to attack so-called "liberal universities", not the real perps behind 9.11.
If this is the case, then Colmes and the other holes at Fox deserve to be lied to. Furthermore, it implies that Fox producers are fully aware of the truth of 9.11 yet are deeply engaged in a campaign to twist the facts to suit their pro-Bush neoconservative agenda.
This of course is the case, so it doesn't really matter that Fetzer may have alienated Colmes or anyone else at Fox. Fetzer did what needed to be done to get the truth out.
May truth prevail!"
And there you have it.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:45am.
Jon: It does not follow that the holes at Fox "know the truth" about 9/11 just because they would only put Fetzer on in order to attack liberalism at the Universities. There is not connection between these two thoughts.
Douglas Lain (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:53am.
This is too funny... I had to share... from 911ConspiracySmasher's website.
Lonesome dave said...
Fetzer is too afraid to read 911myths.com. How about you Gold -is your sack big enough to read about the truth or are you a conspiradroid girly-man too?
" Jon: It does not follow that the holes at Fox "know the truth" about 9/11 just because they would only put Fetzer on in order to attack liberalism at the Universities. There is not connection between these two thoughts."
I believe John Gibson at Fox News once said that he talked with Barrie Zwicker for "hours". They know. They tried to disperse with it, and luckily, James Fetzer didn't let them.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:54am.
Wow. Look at that. Larry Silverstein's Sears tower the target of al Qaeda operatives WORKING with the Justice department. You cant make this shit up folks.
pockybot (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 11:59am.
My only problem with fetzer is that he talks about the JFK assisination too much. i think he should stick to 911. he's going to put a lot of people off when talking about Oswald and such. i think we 911 people as a movment should not include the JFK assasination in our movement in general. Was JFK's death a conspiracy? maybe. Is it possible for a rational person to think it was only Oswald? Yes it is. 911 and JFK's death are two separate things, and it doesn't serve our purpose to talk about JFK.
"Jon: It does not follow that the holes at Fox "know the truth" about 9/11 just because they would only put Fetzer on in order to attack liberalism at the Universities. There is not connection between these two thoughts."
Here's the connection Douglas, as soon as Fetzer made clear that no universities were teaching the 9.11 class (to his knowledge), the interview was abruptly cut short. As if there was no other news worth reporting.
Fetzer had just challenged Ollie on the fact that the FBI says no hard evidence links UBL to 9.11. This is not newsworthy to Fox, but the "liberal university" connection is?
Come on man, do the math.
I just report, you decide.
African American (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 12:07pm.
"My only problem with fetzer is that he talks about the JFK assisination too much. i think he should stick to 911. he's going to put a lot of people off when talking about Oswald and such. i think we 911 people as a movment should not include the JFK assasination in our movement in general. Was JFK's death a conspiracy? maybe. Is it possible for a rational person to think it was only Oswald? Yes it is. 911 and JFK's death are two separate things, and it doesn't serve our purpose to talk about JFK."
Sorry DUDE, but it's all connected. The SS is as involved with 9.11 as they were with JFK. Don't take my word for it... take a look a the following video. Keep you eyes on the driver.
Remember, it was the SS that left GWB sitting in a classroom full of children on 9.11. How did they know, that no planes were heading for that classroom? How did they know?
African American (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 12:13pm.
That is just a bit too audacious putting Oliver North on that segment.
So, my best guess as to what is happening is that it has been decided elsewhere to remove Bush et al. from power. This would also suggest that all the key personnel are in place such that it will be nearly impossible for Bush et al. to cause too much more harm beyond the “normal” day-to-day shit that is currently taking place.
However, this will probably not result in the spring cleaning that is needed. In other words, the MSM sees the writing on the wall (or somebody showed it to them) and they are now ready to try and save their own asses, and IÂ’m sure they can find plenty of other corrupt people in influential positions that will work them, or vice versa.
YouCrazyDiamond (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 12:17pm.
Me personally I can separate the two issue in my mind, so it doesn't turn me off from 9-11, but i was just saying that a lot of people out there think they know for a fact that Oswald killed kennedy. for example, a college professor I had, made a very convincing case that it was Oswald. Whether that's true or not, i don't know. I've seen that video before, and i don't think it proves anything. The SS thought it was a motorcycle backfiring, and not a gunshot.... peace bro. Im going to follow my own advice and not talk about JFK anymore.
"My only problem with fetzer is that he talks about the JFK assisination too much. i think he should stick to 911. he's going to put a lot of people off when talking about Oswald and such. i think we 911 people as a movment should not include the JFK assasination in our movement in general. Was JFK's death a conspiracy? maybe. Is it possible for a rational person to think it was only Oswald? Yes it is. 911 and JFK's death are two separate things, and it doesn't serve our purpose to talk about JFK."
besides DUDE, ive heard all of Fetzers interviews regarding 9-11 and I can't recall him ever mentioning JFK to any real degree, he keeps the two studies pretty seperate although I agree with african american it's all connected.
Thomas Jefferson (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 12:41pm.
Agreed. How many times have we all seen that jfk video in the MSM and not once have we noticed fire from within the vehicle? It can't possibly be the same Zapruder footage, could it?
Btw... Fetzer absolutely floored me. Fox giving him the hook after 3 minutes floored me even more.
If Fetzer lied to get on, I'd be let down- but it seems more believable to me that it was confusion on a producer's part than some overt deception for air time...
That notwithstanding, S. King's comments cracked me up. Television news producers are hardly paragons of honesty and trustworthiness! The best of their profession are in the business of getting scoops, or manufacturing outrage, or shoveling salacious gossip down the gullet of the American viewer- and they lie, lie, lie as a part of their daily jobs. They willl lie, bribe or threaten to get exclusive interviews- it is in fact a competitive sport.
The idea that a white-lie telling Fetzer suddenly gets blacklisted from all mainstream media interviews - because news producers hold themselves and their media subjects to some elevated moral standard - is beyond ludicrous. Do you think they haven't been lied to by Cheney and Bush? Bill Clinton? Ward Churchill? Louis Farrakhan? Ann Coulter?
They are lied to daily- and they lie daily- and nobody gives a rats ass if the ratings are there. And that's why Howard Beale had to die.
Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 1:39pm.
Seve B,
That is a good question.
There's every reason to believe that it is worth the effort, given the large audience. Although, I don't believe it is the ONLY outlet considered necessary for discussion of the truth.
The truth belongs everywhere.
9/11 truth on the radio: Yes, flourishing.
9/11 truth on the television: Yes, but it's obviously being limited, and pushed aside.
9/11 truth on the internet: Yes, flourishing, but there are obvious attempts to silence it and/or hide it.
9/11 truth in Newspapers/Magazines/Books: Yes, but there needs to be more. Especially in Newspapers. A story needs to run on the front page at least once a day.
IMHO, I think there should be more focus on the newspapers and magazines, because it's the roots.
Even though there are statistics indicating that more people turn to the tube over the papers, it's still the catalyst.
Once saturated there, it will naturally bloom elsewhere.
That goes without saying independent films/documentaries are also of critical importance.
The next major one appears to be 9/11 Press for Truth.
Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-330418413919565384&q=Press+for+...
Cloak & Swagger (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 1:40pm.
It was live and I only knew how they were going to spin it when I heard the promo in make-up. I find it offensive that this King person makes up slanderous remarks off the top of his head! I explained exactly what I had told the producer on the show. You heard it all. It was live and there was no editing. If I had to lie to make this work, I would hang up my jock. How could I be the founder of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" and lie?
I thought most of your comments were "right on" but this King business was complete and total crap! I can't abide a person who would make up something like that. What an offensive remark!
Jim Fetzer (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 1:49pm.
If it was Steve B. and not King who make this up,
then my ire is directed at them both. We cannot defend the truth if we are going to lie top benefit ourselves, even in promoting truths about 9/11!
Jim Fetzer (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 1:54pm.
Mr. Fetzer, S. King has been spewing nonsense around here for a long time. He is apparently one of those paid bloggers, or rent-a-shills as we call them. No one takes his b.s. seriously.
I’m hopeful that someday soon that “9/11” will be a required class in high school and college. But it will be called by some other name such as “a citizen’s role in society.”
Yeah, professors lying would be real entertaining and quite worrisome. Some do lie, but it is a bad mix with academic integrity; even if what they are “saying” is not true, they most likely believe it is true, so in effect they are not lying. (See Chomsky’s work for a more expanded description of this.) And if the lie is too egregious, they usually get caught, anyway. (See the recent escapades of the South Korean cloning researcher Hwang Woo-Suk.)
I enjoyed the play-by-play, gentlemen.
And thank you, Professor Fetzer.
Onward Â…
YouCrazyDiamond (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 2:53pm.
Jim Fetzer deserves the congressional medal of honor for the work he has done and the job he did tonight. I got through to Alan combs later that night on the radio and was able to say that you can prove the controlled demolition with science and physics. They can't agure with science!
Mark B (not verified) on Fri, 06/23/2006 - 3:05pm.
Great work Prof!
Oh he lied to the producers of the most dishonest '"News " organisation in order to get the story through well maybe a little white lie so what!
Its what he people heard that's the important thing.
Well the best argument I've come accross is the.
Law of The Conservation of Energy.
You don't need to be a Structural engineer to understand it. 16 year old students are (or should be taught it) That's how you combat The "So your a structural Engineer are you" just say no but I understand the Law of The Conservation of Energy .
You can't spin a Law Of Physics.
I.e in a closed system the sum of the energy is constant.
So for the twin towers the only energy that available is the Potential Energy of the top of the buildings. This changes to Kinetic energy when the top of the buildings fall. Its speed of decent determined by gravity and its Mass or loosely weight.
This is why the free fall speed of the collapse is important.
The stored potential energy created by lifting the mass of steel and concrete to the height of the towers becomes kinetic energy on the way down. And this is the energy being used to destroy the building.Or so the Official story would have you believe.
There's clearly work being done on the concrete and steel because the dust is being expelled at about 100 feet per second. So all the work being done must be accounted for in the consevation of energy, and normally this would cause a slowing in the falling body i.e a reduction in its Kinetic Energy. But we see with our own eyes that the top of the building is falling at the same speed as the free falling objects that have been thrown clear of the building.
So how do we cope with this? Well its clear that energy is being added to the system. And what is the most probable source of this energy. Well judging from the pulverisation of the concrete, the rapid velocities of the ejected dust. Then explosive energy is the most probable source.
Jim Hoffman did a very approximated conservative estimate and came up with 10 times the potential energy that is in the system, was dissipated.
So boo Hoo structural Engineers!
twopercenthuman (not verified) on Sat, 06/24/2006 - 4:06am.
"This, you say, was promoted
"This, you say, was promoted by Fox in an attempt to attack so-called "liberal universities", not the real perps behind 9.11."
No, it was the way Fetzer got Fox's interest in having him on.
S.King is a true conspiracy theorist - he would have to be to buy the official story!
"I actually wouldn't be
"I actually wouldn't be surprised if Fetzer lied to the Fox producers about classes being taught just to get on the show. And guess what... I'm ok with that."
Bingo! Lie onwards!
"This, you say, was promoted by Fox in an attempt to attack so-called "liberal universities", not the real perps behind 9.11."
No, it was the way Fetzer got Fox's interest in having him on.
"only a moron would think that scholars for 9/11 truth was a group of teachers teaching 9/11 conspiracy theories. like fox news."
No one said that.
"where's your proof sking?"
LOL, dz. Looks who's talking.
" Oh, is S.King back. Man, these stooges are gonna be working O/T tonight."
Just for a short visit. Don't get so excitied.
" t was live and I only knew how they were going to spin it when I heard the promo in make-up. "
Sorry, guy, pretending to be Fetzer is a no-no.
You may now carry on with your denial.
Mr Fetzer, my hats off to
Mr Fetzer,
my hats off to you for doing a great job. You really did a great job. thanks for all your hard work. We're all searching for the truth and i respect your honesty.
I think we can all agree that now the important issue is obviously exposing 9-11. There is so much concrete evidence about 911. Rational people can't look past the facts. We can prove controlled demolition.
You totally rocked tonight. You did the best job so far of anyone who managed to get on the mainstream media.
please keep rockin'
I just got an email from JIm
I just got an email from JIm Fetzer, (really!) I can prove it and talked to Janice Mathews of 991.truth.org by telephone. I sent them both a check, that's the bottom line people. $$$$$$$ they need it. didn't know where ot make a differrence for a long time but I'm up off my ass now. Yeah Jim Fezter
Oh, is S.King back. Man,
Oh, is S.King back. Man, these stooges are gonna be working O/T tonight.
What's that, like 9 bucks an hour on an honest CIA salary?
somebigguy | Homepage | 06.22.06 - 11:03 pm | #
when you see old "pros" like S.King come out of the wood work, you know we are making progress.be afraid shills.
So, counterintellpro is in
So, counterintellpro is in the game here on this forum. However is moderating your doing a great job. I have information regarding counterintelpro but not sure if this is the right forum for it. I haven't figure out hwo to participate in the rest of the 911olgge forums.
Moderator tell me what you think?
What about the guy pretending to be fetzer? Were you able to figure that one out? I thought it was Fetzer? sounded like him, he's not a liar. All we have to do is stick to the SCIENTIFIC evidence!
Oliver North? Oliver
Oliver North?
Oliver North?
OLIVER NORTH?
conspiracy theories, not
conspiracy theories, not just for nutbag wingnuts - now for nutbag wingnut teachers - tonight on oliver north and colmes!
Great. Here we go. Colmes
Great. Here we go. Colmes says, "Here what professors could be teaching YOUR KIDS."
Debunking The Debunkers
Debunking The Debunkers
Letterman: Official 9/11
Letterman: Official 9/11 story makes no "goddamn sense."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=98x77QaI17s
I meant "hear". Doh.
I meant "hear". Doh.
side note (sorry dz):
side note (sorry dz): Robert Mueller is on Larry King right now. Talking about 9/11.
Both Fox and MSNBC lead
Both Fox and MSNBC lead their 9:00 shows with "terror" arrests in Florida. Yuck.
Anybody else getting the
Anybody else getting the horrible static on the Fox feed?
Ian C... I mentioned you in
Ian C... I mentioned you in that article... way to go man.
YEP... I have horrible
YEP... I have horrible static.
What's with the static? I'm
What's with the static? I'm in Iowa and getting it. What if it goes out just before fetzer is on? Is Oliver North worse than Hannity? Is that even possible?
right on Jon...those guys
right on Jon...those guys are ridiculous over there. it's such a joke.
Thats weird. I have the
Thats weird. I have the static too.
static just stopped here in
static just stopped here in atlanta.
Why is it the only channel
Why is it the only channel with static?
Yeah, static was there, then
Yeah, static was there, then it suddenly cleared up when they issued the Miami Terror Alert.
What do you make of that?
stopped here too. San Diego
stopped here too. San Diego
I thought it was my cable.
I thought it was my cable.
lets see if the static
lets see if the static returns when H&C returns
nope statics gone
nope statics gone
oddly enough, oliver north
oddly enough, oliver north is actually worse than hannity - maybe we should have former military on all our news channels.. im sure he's got a clean history right?
immortal technique:
The fourth branch of the government AKA the media
Seems to now have a retirement plan for ex-military officials
As if their opinion was at all unbiased
A machine shouldn't speak for men
So shut the fuck up you mindless drone!
And you know it's serious
When these same media outfits are spending millions of dollars on a PR campaign
To try to convince you they're fair and balanced
When they're some of the most ignorant, and racist people
Giving that type of mentality a safe haven
Not surprised Hannity's not
Not surprised Hannity's not there, Colmes, who is at the very least 9-11 curious, gets the night. I believe he's been on Alex Jones before and I'm pretty sure Alan's had Fetzer on his radio show before. Ollie's just gonna bully or try to. Go Fetz!
Why don't they want to get
Why don't they want to get any of their "main guys" in front of a 9/11 skeptic? Is it because they would be made to look like fools, and would lose any and all credibility?
This is so painful to watch.
This is so painful to watch.
Oliver North = Iran Contra
Oliver North = Iran Contra
Hannity makes himself look
Hannity makes himself look like a fool when he opens his mouth. I think North is going to pull out a rifle.
Colmes is not 9/11 curious
Colmes is not 9/11 curious in the least. Watch, he'll take the role of Hannity tonight in attempting to paint Fetzer as some sort of nut.
Yes, I've noticed that the
Yes, I've noticed that the 9/11 coverage is always kept away from their lead guys. It's a way of testing the waters.
These shows get huge ratings and massive email. They know a lot of people tune in, but they can't endorse the theories.
Is Colmes gonna pull a Laura
Is Colmes gonna pull a Laura Ingram?
I like how the latest news
I like how the latest news is a "Terror Conspiracy" -- irony for you. The sears tower is higher than the WTC right? That's one way to TOP 911.
What's with this Sears Tower
What's with this Sears Tower thing? 7 people?
Man. They're setting us up big time.
Here we go. The Silverstein
Here we go. The Silverstein owned Sears Tower terror alert. And you heard it first on Fox News!
This lady scares me.
This lady scares me.
FYI, this is the 2nd time in
FYI, this is the 2nd time in one week that 9/11 'conspiracy theories' has been on primetime..
i am trying to determine if this is an attempt by the right to associate 9/11 skeptics with the democrats in an attempt to bash them to gain in polls..
if that happens we need to just point out dailykos and other 'left' blogs that wont touch 9/11..
I want to bang both of these
I want to bang both of these chicks talking about the Duke lacrosse case.
I think you may be right
I think you may be right african...
I'm going to move to
I'm going to move to Chicago, buy an HD video camera or two, and set up in a building next to the Sears Tower so that when we have to prove that the Administration did it, I'll have some good video footage. If I don't get arrested.
Yeah, those chicks are hot.
Yeah, those chicks are hot. Distracting.. stay focused!
"I'm going to move to
"I'm going to move to Chicago, buy an HD video camera or two, and set up in a building next to the Sears Tower so that when we have to prove that the Administration did it, I'll have some good video footage. If I don't get arrested."
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
This Duke thing is not news.
This Duke thing is not news. Why are people obsessed with it?
"FYI, this is the 2nd time
"FYI, this is the 2nd time in one week that 9/11 'conspiracy theories' has been on primetime..
i am trying to determine if this is an attempt by the right to associate 9/11 skeptics with the democrats in an attempt to bash them to gain in polls..
if that happens we need to just point out dailykos and other 'left' blogs that wont touch 9/11.."
Good point.
A couple of weeks ago Alex
A couple of weeks ago Alex Jones was talking about Colmes and said that he tries the best he can to get the info out there. He never said that Colmes is in tune with the NWO, but he's at least suspicious. Colmes is working in such a box on that show, he really has no chance to actually say what he thinks. but at least he was able to get Fetzer on tv
OH MY GOD... they're still
OH MY GOD... they're still talking about Aruba?
OK, Fetz is next!
OK, Fetz is next!
The intimidation factor is
The intimidation factor is pretty high.
FOX is working closely with Bushco to put dirty operatives like Oliver North on the front lines of the discussion to combat the 9/11 truth movement. This makes it appear that the evidence accumulated for 9/11 truth is a real threat to them.
"Are your kids in their
"Are your kids in their classes?"
"BAD EDUCATION" And the SPIN
"BAD EDUCATION"
And the SPIN Begins! LOL
I kinda like that lazyeyed
I kinda like that lazyeyed dude. Why do they spin this as a college professor teaching 'your kids' thing? Is that they're only way to attack scholars?
Good luck James Fetzer.
Good luck James Fetzer.
wow BAD EDUCATION
wow BAD EDUCATION
any bets on if the pentagon
any bets on if the pentagon is the first focus by both hosts?
I never watch Fox. This is
I never watch Fox. This is painful. I wonder if they'll ever suggest HOW the Miami guys were plannning to bring down the Sears Tower. That could be interesting.
This is spinning way before
This is spinning way before its even started...Stay Calm Fetz...let Ollie blow his top
We need to get Steven Jones
We need to get Steven Jones on the Headline news Glenn Beck show. They're both practicing Mormons.
At least they begin by
At least they begin by mentioning Scholars for 9/11 Truth...
Colmes was tricky to point
Colmes was tricky to point out that Fox was spinning this wrong. I knew I liked that lazyeye.
Oliver North is nearly
Oliver North is nearly guaranteed to have been in on 9/11.
It's started and going very well...
Mineta testimony!!!!!
Mineta testimony!!!!! Awesome...
Is some weird effect being
Is some weird effect being applied to his face?
this is awesome actually.
this is awesome actually.
I'm speechless.
I'm speechless.
Thats it?
Thats it?
HAHAHAHAH!!!! he kicked
HAHAHAHAH!!!! he kicked theyre fucking asses!!!!! nice job...
someone in the control room
someone in the control room sent a message to colmes to end the interview early because North was starting to look as dumb as Hannity.
Notice the time the DUKE
Notice the time the DUKE story got vs the time that Fetzer got. What a crock!!!!!
THE RESULTS ARE IN: Fair
THE RESULTS ARE IN: Fair Coverage was given.
I am absolutely speechless.
I am absolutely speechless.
so sweet....speaking of
so sweet....speaking of Minetta Jon....
That was fast.
That was fast.
That was bizarre
That was bizarre
Why didn't he even mention
Why didn't he even mention Building 7??? It is the single biggest smoking gun that Fox veiwers have probably never heard of.
They wanted to get off that
They wanted to get off that subject pretty quick.
AA, I agree, there should
AA, I agree, there should have been more time, but in the time given, they allowed Fetz to deliver the message to the point without cutting him off. At least that's how it appeared to me.
Fetzer did a great job. He
Fetzer did a great job. He did the best with the 45 seconds they gave him.
shortest segment EVAR.
shortest segment EVAR.
Good stuff. Dr. F held his
Good stuff. Dr. F held his ground pretty good and Oliver North and Colmes didn't have much of a comeback to what he was saying.
Too bad Dr. F didn't bring up the 9/11 conference in LA this weekend though.
Oliver North asks how many
Oliver North asks how many people would have been involved in 9/11. Fetzer should have asked him, well, why don't you tell me, you surely know?
Actually, he could have asked him: Well, how many people were involved in your own Iran-Contra scam and coke-for-arms pipeline?
Astoundingly, no real attack, just a cut-off after very little time. Fetzer got the advantage immediately when they lost their main talking point due to bad research (they thought he was actually teaching a 9/11 conspiracies course, and wanted to go into profs poisoning students. Since that's not the case, he had them wrong, period, and they seemed quite disoriented.)
Got in the Mineta point and then no more than a statement about the towers being demolished before Ollie asked him the how many people question and then cut him off soon after.
Astonishingly non-disastrous.
(I would have had a lot more fun here than with
Laura Ingraham, oh well.)
definately seemed like it
definately seemed like it got cut
They grabbed on and said,
They grabbed on and said, "Whoa, HOT POTATO!" Fetzer even looked like a potato.
Building 7 wasn't mentioned
Building 7 wasn't mentioned because it's already been addressed at least several times in the MSM, once this week already. Fetz did a fine job.
The only problem is, and I'm
The only problem is, and I'm afraid to say it... there is a class being "taught" in Colorado. They're probably going to use that against him.
I'm switching my master's
I'm switching my master's from English to 9/11 Studies.
ROCK AND ROLL!!!!!!!!!
ROCK AND ROLL!!!!!!!!!
We need to be clear that
We need to be clear that none of the st911.org members are teaching classes specifically on 9/11.
Even though he said it would
Even though he said it would be a good idea. It's very possible James Fetzer didn't know about Michael Wolsey's class.
Well that was a revelatory
Well that was a revelatory event. It barely had begun before it was over.
Fetzer did better than I expected- considering the limitations. But damn those limitations! The ramifications for a LIHOP or particularly MIHOP explanation of 9/11 are so profound, so unprecedented, so potentially disruptive to the whole of our society, and it gets less airtime than the salacious rapists and stalkers crap!
One wonders if the unedited segment was considerably longer, but didn't afford them any great soundbites to string Fetzer up with...
I really liked the way he
I really liked the way he approached the attack on the pentagon, he never quetioned what hit it, becuase they'll waste the time asking him the question the media asks : If it wasn't a plane then what hit it, and inducing people to speculate!!! I think he dominated the interview!!!!!
That was excellent. Short
That was excellent. Short but excellent. Hats off to the scholar.
Confirmed: Prof. Fetzer is
Confirmed: Prof. Fetzer is one of my heroes. He shone the light of truth, however briefly, in the dark, dank, putrid cave known as Fox News.
I want to know: who actually watches this worthless, mind-numbing trash, and how do they keep their pea-sized brains from rolling out of their skulls?
what a great segment to
what a great segment to follow up.. netanyahu telling us what we should do in iran..
heres an idea, lets fix our own problems instead of playing world dominator?
bah.
I've seen it to varying
I've seen it to varying degrees in the past, but, juxtapose Hannity with Colmes. Smarmy manly man (conservative, father figure) vs. gaunt pencilneck Colmes (librul girly man). There were nights when they had colmes made up like a woman, brazen rouge on the cheeks, lipstick. FAUX News is all about pimping for the fake left/right paradigm... overtly and with such subconscious suggestion.
Do you need the video? I
Do you need the video? I have it.
Is Michael Wolsey a member
Is Michael Wolsey a member of st911.org?
I didn't see it... I'm glad
I didn't see it... I'm glad Jim did well.
No doubt that they cut the
No doubt that they cut the interview short for one reason or another. We can assume that Fetzer made some great points that rendered North speechless. Maybe he did try to get some information from North, you know.. catch him off guard.
Their emphasis, though, was
Their emphasis, though, was on the idea of a "required" class. Like, you have to study 9/11 to graduate. You've got your freshman composition, your PE, and your 9/11 inquiry classes...
"Is Michael Wolsey a member
"Is Michael Wolsey a member of st911.org?"
Nope.
The best part is Ollie sort
The best part is Ollie sort of admitted this was possible by referring to the fact he had been involved in things like this. Fetzer ate that up.
That was really solid. He
That was really solid. He kept cool and only cut people off when he knew that he had to.
Ok, A year or so ago there
Ok, A year or so ago there was a course being taught by a lady and she was on Alex Jones' Show. I can't remember her name but her website says she passed away. I'm not BS'ing. She's not even alive now. That's the only course that I was aware of.
Everyone write an email to
Everyone write an email to Glenn Beck (fellow mormon) to put Steven Jones either on his radio or his TV show. His email address is me@glennbeck.com
Thanks for the reply Jon
Thanks for the reply Jon Gold. IMO Fetzer shouldn't be concerned about what someone he isn't affiliated with is teaching.
"Their emphasis, though, was on the idea of a "required" class. Like, you have to study 9/11 to graduate. You've got your freshman composition, your PE, and your 9/11 inquiry classes..."
LMAO How stupid does Fox News think their viewers are? What a retarded angle for a hit piece. lol
Can somebody get a
Can somebody get a transcript?
i thought this was the most
i thought this was the most positive national tv appearance yet. the initial confusion about the college class worked in Jim's favor.
lots of people who had never heard about the 9/11 truth movement have now.
I love the jabs Fetzer took
I love the jabs Fetzer took at Fox early on. "You got your facts FOXED."
Love it!!!
Sure, please post the video
Sure, please post the video Jon :)
dz says he has a video on
dz says he has a video on the way... the only thing I said during the taping is when Ollie asked James Fetzer how many people would be required to pull this off, etc... and I said, "It was your friends"...
He did a great job. No
He did a great job. No doubt about that. But I still think Building 7 should always be mentioned on MSM coverage. For most people that I talk to, Building 7 was the aspect that got them questioning the official story. The more people that hear about Building 7, the better imho.
It was obvious that the FOX
It was obvious that the FOX angle was going to be to trash the schools in which the professors were teaching "conspiracy theories." Then those professors would feel the blow-back from the right-wingers at the school and the right-wing parents of students and th right-wingers on the Board of the schools, bringing all kinds of grief to these guys.
But Fetzer did an end-run around their trap for him right at the first! After that they didn't know what to do and he got a few precious moments to state some good truths to the entire FOX audience! BRAVO JAMES FETZER!!!!
I'm sure we can nitpick
I'm sure we can nitpick about a lot of things, but James Fetzer came off very well.
reprehensor grabbed it, so
reprehensor grabbed it, so we will post it in a bit once its ready.
w00t.
Fetzer was great! I think
Fetzer was great! I think he tied Alex Jones in eye-opening information per second. Way to take advantage of the opportunity, Professor. You made Faux cut and run.
Doutless their "producer"
Doutless their "producer" spent a fair amount of time with Fetzer pre-interview trying to figure the best way to make Jim - and other truthers -look bad.
Gratifying to see the best he could do was to invent a story about 911 classes being taught on campus.
Jon Gold could you please
Jon Gold could you please post up that video? I'm at work and I would love to see it!
Peace
I found it! This is the
I found it! This is the lady who taught the 9/11 course!
November 22, 2005
Dr. Jane Christensen
Rocky Mount, N.C. — North Carolina Wesleyan College regrets to announce that Dr. Jane Christensen, Professor of Political Science, passed away following a long illness on Sunday, November 20, 2005. Dr. Christensen had been on medical leave for the fall semester. Since joining NC Wesleyan in 1989, Dr. Christensen taught courses in American politics, and in political science research methods. Previously she had taught at the State University of New York, Albany and at East Carolina University. "Our community has been saddened by Dr. Christensen's passing," stated Dr. Ian Newbould, President of NC Wesleyan College in announcing her death. "Jane reminded us of the need to keep an open mind concerning the political issues of the day. Her views were not those popularly held, and she excited passionate debate among her colleagues and students, many of whom admired her, many of whom disagreed with her. We ask that you keep her family in your thoughts and prayers."
http://www.ncwc.edu/News/Archive/2005/0000112205-01.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/media/academic_insanity_at_nc_wesleylan...
Prison Planet/Infowars Websites Staple Of 9/11 College Course
Prison Planet | March 31 2005
TomFlocco.com is reporting that a North Carolina Wesleyan College is running a political course in which the professor, Jane Christensen PhD, recommends a daily visit to Alex Jones' websites to her students.
The course, (POL 495) 911 The Road to Tyranny, is broken up into two segments, the events of 9/11 and the ensuing war on terrorism. The course is marked on both essay papers and final exams.
Required reading includes George Humphrey's, 9/11: The Great Illusion and the 9/11 archive of Infowars.com.
Other websites listed include Rense.com, GlobalResaecrh.ca and Counterpunch.org.
Alex Jones' critically acclaimed documentary 9/11 The Road to Tyranny is also included in the course outline.
In a phone interview, Jane Christensen PhD advised people who became downbeat over the sometimes disheartening information, “Don’t stop talking about it” and/or “be like Alex, just keep telling everyone.”
We thank Jane for her efforts and hope to see similar courses popping up in other areas of the country.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/310305collegecourse.htm
That was excellent, he
That was excellent, he didn't waste any time, knowing full well he'd be cut off before he had his chance to speak.
If you get a chance, speak your mind, you may not get another chance....
Tom Flocco (he of the
Tom Flocco (he of the "Barbara Olson is alive and well in Europe" exclusive) is a disinfo agent. Even if this story is true, I'd recommend people in the Truth movement don't link to him or plug him anywhere.
just a question as i don't
just a question as i don't know where else to post. Why don't people talk about the time it took per floor for the 'pancake' theory to be plausible. You know, 100 floors at 1 second = 100 seconds. Thus, 100 floors at 10 seconds = .1 second per floor.
I think that would be a GREAT argument? Anyone?
Chris, I've heard that
Chris,
I've heard that arguement today twice, so it is definately mentioned.. in fact it is on our front page about 4 stories ago.
Folks, I think we should
Folks, I think we should thank Fox and tell them we want more...more Fetzer or Griffin or Steven Jones.
Nothing against Berger,
Nothing against Berger, Jones, or even DRG, but I think they ought to let Fetz do the talking. He's a good balance of Truth voices. Far better orator and debater and tougher on the spot. Alex Jones is good too but his bullhorning can at times defeat the messsage...though somebody's got to do the bullhorning.
hey chris B check this out.
hey chris B check this out. I talked about that before on my site:
http://911truthseekers.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_911truthseekers_archive.html
That *is* a great argument,
That *is* a great argument, and pretty much the one that sent me through the looking glass and into 9/11 skepticism. However, I think people in general are so hopelessly stupid and uneducated in even basic science that even the simplest anti-pancake argument may be over their heads. Moreover, debunkers always say, "oh yeah, are you a structural engineer? How many structural engineers agree with you?"
DRG is the best weapon we
DRG is the best weapon we have, which is why NOONE will have him on..
that said, DRG probably wouldnt get a word in against some of the talking heads we have running these shows.
Fox should be thanked for
Fox should be thanked for NOTHING...their attempted ambush failed.
Who is DRG.I'm sure i know i
Who is DRG.I'm sure i know i just cant place the acronym?
Speaking of fox
Speaking of fox news...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200671,00.html
Colmes@foxnews.com
Colmes@foxnews.com
Chris, Dr. David Ray
Chris,
Dr. David Ray Griffin.. you can find his latest 'myths' speech at the top of the page.. it is a bombshell.
DRG = David Ray Griffin
DRG = David Ray Griffin
"FYI, this is the 2nd time
"FYI, this is the 2nd time in one week that 9/11 'conspiracy theories' has been on primetime..
"i am trying to determine if this is an attempt by the right to associate 9/11 skeptics with the democrats in an attempt to bash them to gain in polls.."
Dear me, I watched the entire show, it was obvious what was happening from the beginning and none of you have caught on.
Fetzer got caught in a lie and he just alienated Colmes for good.
If you were paying attention, the piece was presented on what Fetzer told the producers - that 9/11 conspiracy theories were being taught in the classroom.
Oh, you say, not so!
Oh yes, that is what Fetzer sold the Fox producer. You think that the promos weren't vetted and predicated on what Fetzer told them?
Fetzer lied to them to get on the show for one purpose - to make Fox look like bumpkins. Smart people got that right away. Colmes got that more than anyone (Ollie knows enough about black ops to know that 9/11 could not have been pulled off by the government by a "handful of people.")
Fetzer got cut off for misrepresenting what he told the producers - never to be seen again on Fox or any other network (they're watching, you know) as anything but a freak, fraud, and charlatan that rational people know he has been all along. Don't tell me I didn't warn you a long time ago.)
So enjoy your ignorance of what happened tonight. You'll soon have a bad hangover.
Sleep well.
Fetzer did a much better job
Fetzer did a much better job than I expected he would. The angle of the 9/11 college class that Fox's attempted to frame this segment on, clearly backfired upon them. Fetzer turned the tables on both Colmes and North.
Obviously someone gave Fox information that this was the case or they wouldn't have pimped out this segment on this issue.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was not a clever move on part of Dr. Fetzer. Give them enough information in the preinterviews to make them assume that classes were being taught. This effectively turns the guns of the MSM upon themselves, and the hunters become the hunted.
I can see the producers now, practically foaming out the mouth with the possible attacks they could launch upon the "liberal universities" that were allowing such classes.
All is fair in information
All is fair in information wars, and if the MSM is willing to make an "ass" out of themselves by making assumptions, then its their own stupid fault.
"that said, DRG probably
"that said, DRG probably wouldnt get a word in against some of the talking heads we have running these shows"
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thats kinda what I meant when I spoke of fetzer being the better spokesman... he CAN keep up with
the Hannity's of the world.
S. King: Are you psychic
S. King: Are you psychic or something. You seem to know an awful lot about what's going on behind the scenes...or do has Fetzer confessed to lying to Fox just like Cheney confessed that the Secret Service was in the loop about the attacks on the World Trade Center well before the pentagon was hit?
Apparantly they didn't have
Apparantly they didn't have it together, still showing that they teach it in classes, after Fetz told him they don't Fox Morons.
I think a lot of people
I think a lot of people don't understand that scholars/academics do a lot more than teach classes. Fetzer could easily have framed it as "more and more scholars and academics are examining 9/11" and the only thing that would mean to them is that they are teaching (required) classes.
I think you have to get on a
I think you have to get on a child's level with the people. I read the story of the gingerbread man to my son tonight and he gets it. The fox tells the gingerbread man to get on his back to protect the gingerbread man and then to his neck and then, gulp!
He got cut off because he
He got cut off because he was clearly slaughtering both Colmes and North. If they misunderstood him and leapt at the opptunity in a Dan Rather type manner, without doing any type of fact checking, then its their own fault. Heck, I might have given too much credit to Dr. Fetzer, it may have been an issue as simple as being over eager to slander. Regardless, by not fact checking you set yourself up for an asskicking.
Forget s911t, we need a
Forget s911t, we need a "Structural Engineers for 9/11 Truth". That would initiate eyebrow muscles that many people didn't even know existed.
That or I need to study to be an engineer.
Again sorry for not knowing
Again sorry for not knowing where to post if there is a forum here.
I have the possibility to do an ad-hoc radio show here in Houston on pacifica 90.1. It is a pretty popular alternative radio station that my landlady (she does a show on there) says will let me discuss 9/11.
Does anyone have any good ideas as to what i could do? I want to have someone on, but not sure if they would come since i lack the radio "credentials."
I actually wouldn't be
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Fetzer lied to the Fox producers about classes being taught just to get on the show. And guess what... I'm ok with that.
I think this brings up a bigger question - Does everyone here think that MSM coverage is the ONLY thing that will bring 9/11 truth into the American public's consciousness to the extent that those responsible will be held accountable?
hey chris, do what i did.
hey chris,
do what i did. just replay clips from this site on your show. Get a free audio editing program like Audacity at www.download.com, and edit together material thats available here on 911 blogger.com . Its really easy and you don't have to be a great speaker. replay stephen jones, and DRG, and all the plethora of stuff out there. if you think you might need permission first, just ask, and most people will give you permission to replay their stuff for non-profit purposes.
http://911truthseekers.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_911truthseekers_archive.html
And especially to everyone out there in college. you can get your own radio show. Its really easy. I did it.
Oh yes, that is what Fetzer
Oh yes, that is what Fetzer sold the Fox producer. You think that the promos weren't vetted and predicated on what Fetzer told them?
now who is the conspiracy theorist?
where's your proof sking?
S.King: IF what you say is
S.King: IF what you say is true, then good for Fetzer!
Think about it for a moment. You're saying that the only way Fetzer got on Fox was with this false story of university classes teaching 9.11. This, you say, was promoted by Fox in an attempt to attack so-called "liberal universities", not the real perps behind 9.11.
If this is the case, then Colmes and the other holes at Fox deserve to be lied to. Furthermore, it implies that Fox producers are fully aware of the truth of 9.11 yet are deeply engaged in a campaign to twist the facts to suit their pro-Bush neoconservative agenda.
This of course is the case, so it doesn't really matter that Fetzer may have alienated Colmes or anyone else at Fox. Fetzer did what needed to be done to get the truth out.
May truth prevail!
encoding it now.. be up
encoding it now.. be up shortly.
only a moron would think
only a moron would think that scholars for 9/11 truth was a group of teachers teaching 9/11 conspiracy theories. like fox news.
"S.King: IF what you say is
"S.King: IF what you say is true, then good for Fetzer!
Think about it for a moment. You're saying that the only way Fetzer got on Fox was with this false story of university classes teaching 9.11. This, you say, was promoted by Fox in an attempt to attack so-called "liberal universities", not the real perps behind 9.11.
If this is the case, then Colmes and the other holes at Fox deserve to be lied to. Furthermore, it implies that Fox producers are fully aware of the truth of 9.11 yet are deeply engaged in a campaign to twist the facts to suit their pro-Bush neoconservative agenda.
This of course is the case, so it doesn't really matter that Fetzer may have alienated Colmes or anyone else at Fox. Fetzer did what needed to be done to get the truth out.
May truth prevail!"
And there you have it.
Jon: It does not follow
Jon: It does not follow that the holes at Fox "know the truth" about 9/11 just because they would only put Fetzer on in order to attack liberalism at the Universities. There is not connection between these two thoughts.
This is too funny... I had
This is too funny... I had to share... from 911ConspiracySmasher's website.
Lonesome dave said...
Fetzer is too afraid to read 911myths.com. How about you Gold -is your sack big enough to read about the truth or are you a conspiradroid girly-man too?
Jon Gold said...
Why yes, yes it is.
" Jon: It does not follow
" Jon: It does not follow that the holes at Fox "know the truth" about 9/11 just because they would only put Fetzer on in order to attack liberalism at the Universities. There is not connection between these two thoughts."
I believe John Gibson at Fox News once said that he talked with Barrie Zwicker for "hours". They know. They tried to disperse with it, and luckily, James Fetzer didn't let them.
Oh, is S.King back. Man,
Oh, is S.King back. Man, these stooges are gonna be working O/T tonight.
What's that, like 9 bucks an hour on an honest CIA salary?
Hell Fox even did apiece
Hell Fox even did apiece ofn the Israeli Mossad connection that was cut.
Look at Fox: Last night it was
"OMG WMD's FOUND!!!111" liars.
Today it was
"9/11 families Say Government Hiding Truth of 9/11"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200671,00.html
Then it was this interview where Fetzer slam dunked on Ollie "Barry Seal CIA cocaine/Iran Contra" North, and THEN...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200677,00.html
Wow. Look at that. Larry Silverstein's Sears tower the target of al Qaeda operatives WORKING with the Justice department. You cant make this shit up folks.
My only problem with fetzer
My only problem with fetzer is that he talks about the JFK assisination too much. i think he should stick to 911. he's going to put a lot of people off when talking about Oswald and such. i think we 911 people as a movment should not include the JFK assasination in our movement in general. Was JFK's death a conspiracy? maybe. Is it possible for a rational person to think it was only Oswald? Yes it is. 911 and JFK's death are two separate things, and it doesn't serve our purpose to talk about JFK.
Wow, we had the Berger
Wow, we had the Berger interview on Monday and Fetzer on Thursday. Two mainstream shows in one week.
Business is picking up.
video is up.
video is up.
"Jon: It does not follow
"Jon: It does not follow that the holes at Fox "know the truth" about 9/11 just because they would only put Fetzer on in order to attack liberalism at the Universities. There is not connection between these two thoughts."
Here's the connection Douglas, as soon as Fetzer made clear that no universities were teaching the 9.11 class (to his knowledge), the interview was abruptly cut short. As if there was no other news worth reporting.
Fetzer had just challenged Ollie on the fact that the FBI says no hard evidence links UBL to 9.11. This is not newsworthy to Fox, but the "liberal university" connection is?
Come on man, do the math.
I just report, you decide.
"My only problem with fetzer
"My only problem with fetzer is that he talks about the JFK assisination too much. i think he should stick to 911. he's going to put a lot of people off when talking about Oswald and such. i think we 911 people as a movment should not include the JFK assasination in our movement in general. Was JFK's death a conspiracy? maybe. Is it possible for a rational person to think it was only Oswald? Yes it is. 911 and JFK's death are two separate things, and it doesn't serve our purpose to talk about JFK."
Sorry DUDE, but it's all connected. The SS is as involved with 9.11 as they were with JFK. Don't take my word for it... take a look a the following video. Keep you eyes on the driver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrq5sBcMPm4&search=jfk
Remember, it was the SS that left GWB sitting in a classroom full of children on 9.11. How did they know, that no planes were heading for that classroom? How did they know?
That is just a bit too
That is just a bit too audacious putting Oliver North on that segment.
So, my best guess as to what is happening is that it has been decided elsewhere to remove Bush et al. from power. This would also suggest that all the key personnel are in place such that it will be nearly impossible for Bush et al. to cause too much more harm beyond the “normal” day-to-day shit that is currently taking place.
However, this will probably not result in the spring cleaning that is needed. In other words, the MSM sees the writing on the wall (or somebody showed it to them) and they are now ready to try and save their own asses, and IÂ’m sure they can find plenty of other corrupt people in influential positions that will work them, or vice versa.
Me personally I can separate
Me personally I can separate the two issue in my mind, so it doesn't turn me off from 9-11, but i was just saying that a lot of people out there think they know for a fact that Oswald killed kennedy. for example, a college professor I had, made a very convincing case that it was Oswald. Whether that's true or not, i don't know. I've seen that video before, and i don't think it proves anything. The SS thought it was a motorcycle backfiring, and not a gunshot.... peace bro. Im going to follow my own advice and not talk about JFK anymore.
AfricanAmerican: It is
AfricanAmerican: It is possible to view 911 conspiracies and innately disreputable without being in on the conspiracy.
That should read: It is
That should read: It is possible to view 911 conspiracy theories AS innately disreputable without being in on the conspiracy.
"My only problem with fetzer
"My only problem with fetzer is that he talks about the JFK assisination too much. i think he should stick to 911. he's going to put a lot of people off when talking about Oswald and such. i think we 911 people as a movment should not include the JFK assasination in our movement in general. Was JFK's death a conspiracy? maybe. Is it possible for a rational person to think it was only Oswald? Yes it is. 911 and JFK's death are two separate things, and it doesn't serve our purpose to talk about JFK."
besides DUDE, ive heard all of Fetzers interviews regarding 9-11 and I can't recall him ever mentioning JFK to any real degree, he keeps the two studies pretty seperate although I agree with african american it's all connected.
what?
what?
Dude, how can you watch that
Dude, how can you watch that and say that was one lone shooter? I saw that video for the first time last night and was shocked.
p.s. Am I mistaken or is this not different than the original zapruder film? I swear ive seen the zapruder film before but not that?
Agreed. How many times have
Agreed. How many times have we all seen that jfk video in the MSM and not once have we noticed fire from within the vehicle? It can't possibly be the same Zapruder footage, could it?
Btw... Fetzer absolutely floored me. Fox giving him the hook after 3 minutes floored me even more.
If Fetzer lied to get on,
If Fetzer lied to get on, I'd be let down- but it seems more believable to me that it was confusion on a producer's part than some overt deception for air time...
That notwithstanding, S. King's comments cracked me up. Television news producers are hardly paragons of honesty and trustworthiness! The best of their profession are in the business of getting scoops, or manufacturing outrage, or shoveling salacious gossip down the gullet of the American viewer- and they lie, lie, lie as a part of their daily jobs. They willl lie, bribe or threaten to get exclusive interviews- it is in fact a competitive sport.
The idea that a white-lie telling Fetzer suddenly gets blacklisted from all mainstream media interviews - because news producers hold themselves and their media subjects to some elevated moral standard - is beyond ludicrous. Do you think they haven't been lied to by Cheney and Bush? Bill Clinton? Ward Churchill? Louis Farrakhan? Ann Coulter?
They are lied to daily- and they lie daily- and nobody gives a rats ass if the ratings are there. And that's why Howard Beale had to die.
Seve B, That is a good
Seve B,
That is a good question.
There's every reason to believe that it is worth the effort, given the large audience. Although, I don't believe it is the ONLY outlet considered necessary for discussion of the truth.
The truth belongs everywhere.
9/11 truth on the radio: Yes, flourishing.
9/11 truth on the television: Yes, but it's obviously being limited, and pushed aside.
9/11 truth on the internet: Yes, flourishing, but there are obvious attempts to silence it and/or hide it.
9/11 truth in Newspapers/Magazines/Books: Yes, but there needs to be more. Especially in Newspapers. A story needs to run on the front page at least once a day.
IMHO, I think there should be more focus on the newspapers and magazines, because it's the roots.
Even though there are statistics indicating that more people turn to the tube over the papers, it's still the catalyst.
Once saturated there, it will naturally bloom elsewhere.
That goes without saying independent films/documentaries are also of critical importance.
The next major one appears to be 9/11 Press for Truth.
Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-330418413919565384&q=Press+for+...
It was live and I only knew
It was live and I only knew how they were going to spin it when I heard the promo in make-up. I find it offensive that this King person makes up slanderous remarks off the top of his head! I explained exactly what I had told the producer on the show. You heard it all. It was live and there was no editing. If I had to lie to make this work, I would hang up my jock. How could I be the founder of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" and lie?
I thought most of your comments were "right on" but this King business was complete and total crap! I can't abide a person who would make up something like that. What an offensive remark!
If it was Steve B. and not
If it was Steve B. and not King who make this up,
then my ire is directed at them both. We cannot defend the truth if we are going to lie top benefit ourselves, even in promoting truths about 9/11!
No worries Fetzer , it's
No worries Fetzer , it's easy to see through that stuff.My sincerest thanks ,to you sir.
Mr. Fetzer, S. King has been
Mr. Fetzer, S. King has been spewing nonsense around here for a long time. He is apparently one of those paid bloggers, or rent-a-shills as we call them. No one takes his b.s. seriously.
IÂ’m hopeful that someday
I’m hopeful that someday soon that “9/11” will be a required class in high school and college. But it will be called by some other name such as “a citizen’s role in society.”
Yeah, professors lying would be real entertaining and quite worrisome. Some do lie, but it is a bad mix with academic integrity; even if what they are “saying” is not true, they most likely believe it is true, so in effect they are not lying. (See Chomsky’s work for a more expanded description of this.) And if the lie is too egregious, they usually get caught, anyway. (See the recent escapades of the South Korean cloning researcher Hwang Woo-Suk.)
I enjoyed the play-by-play, gentlemen.
And thank you, Professor Fetzer.
Onward Â…
Thank you very much indeed
Thank you very much indeed Mr Fetzer. It is a pleasure watching you work.
Jim Fetzer deserves the
Jim Fetzer deserves the congressional medal of honor for the work he has done and the job he did tonight. I got through to Alan combs later that night on the radio and was able to say that you can prove the controlled demolition with science and physics. They can't agure with science!
Great job on putting Fox on
Great job on putting Fox on the spot Dr. Fetzer. Keep up the good work! : )
Hey, anybody know the link
Hey, anybody know the link to Aaron Russo's "America: From Freedom to Fascism" ?
I want to spread this movie around.
Thanks.
Fetzer said it like it is;
Fetzer said it like it is;
the people making up the official bunk are lying sacks of shit on all issues. Why should 9/11 be any different?
Great work Prof! Oh he lied
Great work Prof!
Oh he lied to the producers of the most dishonest '"News " organisation in order to get the story through well maybe a little white lie so what!
Its what he people heard that's the important thing.
Well the best argument I've come accross is the.
Law of The Conservation of Energy.
You don't need to be a Structural engineer to understand it. 16 year old students are (or should be taught it) That's how you combat The "So your a structural Engineer are you" just say no but I understand the Law of The Conservation of Energy .
You can't spin a Law Of Physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
I.e in a closed system the sum of the energy is constant.
So for the twin towers the only energy that available is the Potential Energy of the top of the buildings. This changes to Kinetic energy when the top of the buildings fall. Its speed of decent determined by gravity and its Mass or loosely weight.
This is why the free fall speed of the collapse is important.
The stored potential energy created by lifting the mass of steel and concrete to the height of the towers becomes kinetic energy on the way down. And this is the energy being used to destroy the building.Or so the Official story would have you believe.
There's clearly work being done on the concrete and steel because the dust is being expelled at about 100 feet per second. So all the work being done must be accounted for in the consevation of energy, and normally this would cause a slowing in the falling body i.e a reduction in its Kinetic Energy. But we see with our own eyes that the top of the building is falling at the same speed as the free falling objects that have been thrown clear of the building.
So how do we cope with this? Well its clear that energy is being added to the system. And what is the most probable source of this energy. Well judging from the pulverisation of the concrete, the rapid velocities of the ejected dust. Then explosive energy is the most probable source.
Jim Hoffman did a very approximated conservative estimate and came up with 10 times the potential energy that is in the system, was dissipated.
So boo Hoo structural Engineers!
"Law of The Conservation of
"Law of The Conservation of Energy.
You don't need to be a Structural engineer to understand it."
Which is why structural engineers agree that "explosive demolition" was not needed to bring the towers down.
Fetzer clip, Mineta and
Fetzer clip, Mineta and other interesting stuff.
http://tyrannyalert.com/video.htm