I think Alex Jones is brilliant overall, but this film doesn’t have a scholarly credibility, it's too paranoid almost. There's no calm rational exposé in my opinion, some of it is very good though. But even the decent graphics to me at least are too vivid, and strong. If it were me, I would have things a bit more understated.

@ DBLS: ...but this film doesnÂ’t have a scholarly credibility, it's too paranoid almost.

I strongly disagree, Alex provided good sources, and furthermore you can research most of it yourself thanks to the Internet.
That's the ugly truth.

I hope that the dream team Ray McGovern, Fetzer, Prof. Jones, Alex Jones will kick some serious media exposure ass.. Tono Stano | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 9:25 am | #

Same here. The next few days will be exciting.

@ DBLS: ...but this film doesnÂ’t have a scholarly credibility, it's too paranoid almost.

I strongly disagree, Alex provided good sources, and furthermore you can research most of it yourself thanks to the Internet.
That's the ugly truth.
Sitting-Bull | 06.24.06 - 9:31 am | #

^ No dude that's not what I meant, I agree with his argument because of the facts presented. What I'm talking about is the way the facts are presented, this is a good documentary and I hope it wakes nuff people up to the fact of state sponsored terror. But some of the graphics, and the music are too over the top in my opinion; it detracts from his argument and sets a tone of paranoia at certain points. Scholarly argument is calm and rational, and Alex Jones does do that in this, but simultaneously the presentation and mood detract from the film's credibility. The music/graphics, presentation etc needs to be as clam and rational as the points made in order to achieve maximum effect. And thatÂ’s where this film looses ground I think.

But some of the graphics, and the music are too over the top in my opinion; it detracts from his argument and sets a tone of paranoia at certain points.

You have a good point there. Alex narrative tone improved but for someone who knows jack shit about these things it might sound slightly paronoid.

watching the 30 min expose...i have to say loose change is one of the best produced films on 9/11, and the great conspiracy. I wish i could take strictly scientific things such as wtc7.net stuff and strictly media related things such as cooperative research and EGLS and make a loose change style production.

What I would like from this movie are the clips. The clips of Michael Meacher. The clips of Ray McGovern. Those are what make the movie. That, and the false flag hisstory.

I think Jones ties the points together well for people who haven't a clue. From that perspective, not it's cinematic appeal, it's good. People need to open their eyes. I don't care in what manner it is done. Truth is truth no matter how it's delivered.
Anonymous | 06.24.06 - 11:38 am | #

^ Dude, personally I think it does matter because if the presentation (and by that I mean the tone and mood of the film) is even slightly paranoid, then all the relevant points made are instantly discredited and stereotyped.

LOL, Alex Jones actually toned down the paranoia of his earlier films considerably for this one. The graphics and music can be attributed to him wanting to be as successful with a younger audience as L2CE, as mentioned in Alex's interview with Dylan/Korey/Jason. Some of the music didn't have perfect timing, but overall I think it's a much better production than his earlier films. It's great to finally hear some details in a documentary about 7/7 and Madrid as well.

What Is The President And The Vice President's Word Worth?

dz... please post.

Yeah, what is their word worth anyway?

A fundamental question. .)

DZ is away for the weekend Jon. You better start kissing some ass if you want anything posted.

smooch

A few glaring errors in the film and i've only watched the first 35 minutes so far. For instance, his claim that Blair was sure to lose the upcoming Parliamentary elections before the 7/7 attacks took place is so off-base. Blair had already won the General Election in early May.
sandy | 06.24.06 - 10:18 am | #

Alex stated that the Labour Party (Blair's party) was sure to lose Parliamentary control. I could be wrong, but I don't think he says anything about Blair himself potentially losing any elections.

Thats better.

I thought it was a good movie, perhaps some factual inaccuracies and not perfect delivery, but the message nevertheless came out strongly. Well done.

Alex stated that the Labour Party (Blair's party) was sure to lose Parliamentary control. I could be wrong, but I don't think he says anything about Blair himself potentially losing any elections.
benthere | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 1:58 pm | #

^ No dude he did;

"Prime Minster Tony Blair leader of the Labour party, was facing an uphill battle in parliamentary elections. National polls showed that his pro war party was sure to loose, and then right on time the bombings of 7/7 and 7/21 occurred."

But everybody makes mistakes, the information is good on a whole. I don’t want to diss it too much anymore but it's the disappointing tone of it that I don’t like. It’s good when their talking about how the London bus was re-routed, that is really interesting and valid. And a lot of the other info was like that to. But the music, which isn’t exactly music it’s background ambient sound, is really out of place from my perspective. It’s stupid to turn something that could potentially wake a ton of people up just with the info alone. Into a spooky “conspiracy film” by adding eerie music and slightly ridiculous graphics. And I know showing the footage of the Madrid train bombing is the raw reality of what happened, but it’s bit tasteless. There are other ways to show that, I mean those are people dieing right there.

presenting the whole truth is never tasteless. thats part of the problem, people dont face reality. the Iraq war would be over a lot quicker if people saw the dead bodies in the streets of Baghdad on a daily basis like they do over there. we rarely, if ever see that. hell, we dont even see flag draped coffins in this country.

I had to take Oprah911.com down due to legal threats from Harpo Inc. (Oprah's Company) I wasn't happy about it, but sadly, I don't have the resources to fight her.
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This appeared on bravocharlie.com
So, this is most probably her own decision, what a skunk this lady..

PS Sorry if discussed earlier
Tono Stano | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 12:56 pm | #

hahahaha,dont feel bad, nobody has the resources to fight Oprah. what a bitch.

^ No dude he did;

"Prime Minster Tony Blair leader of the Labour party, was facing an uphill battle in parliamentary elections. National polls showed that his pro war party was sure to loose, and then right on time the bombings of 7/7 and 7/21 occurred."
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 3:07 pm | #

Shows how much I know about British politics. You're right. The elections were over in May. Whatever he was trying to say was probably wrong.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election2005

Read the reviews, so I had to see it for myself.
I liked it. Good job Alex!

presenting the whole truth is never tasteless. thats part of the problem, people dont face reality. the Iraq war would be over a lot quicker if people saw the dead bodies in the streets of Baghdad on a daily basis like they do over there. we rarely, if ever see that. hell, we dont even see flag draped coffins in this country.
Chris | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 3:16 pm | #

^ I totally agree about showing the reality of war, people do need to see that. And maybe he was right to include the Madrid bombing footage, but if you want convince people rather then shock them, being tasteful about graphic things like that can be much more effective. I mean no one likes to see such horrible stuff, and there's no warning either in the film. It's introduced in a split second, on TV they'll say things like "the scenes about to be presented maybe be disturbing" etc. Alex Jones could have gave warning about the footage he was about to show, and that would have been far more effective and respectful. As it gives the audience time to prepare, the way that footage was shown was slightly cheap I think. This is just all my perspective though it's not my film, if it was I would have definitely done things differently.

Wikipedia: 2005 in the UK

>I think movies like “9/11: Press for the truth”, and “Improbable collapse” are probably going to kick the most ass.
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 12:24 pm | #

Are either of those movies available for free on the Internet?

>I think movies like “9/11: Press for the truth”, and “Improbable collapse” are probably going to kick the most ass.
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 12:24 pm | #

Are either of those movies available for free on the Internet?
Jeff | 06.24.06 - 4:17 pm | #

Not yet but the trailers are, you can find the “Improbable collapse” one on 911podcasts, and the trailer for 9/11: Press for the truth here on google;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-330418413919565384&q=9%2F11%3A+...

Dem Bruce Lee Styles - you have a valid opionion on the style of Jones' movie but I disagree with it. Just so you know, I've seen people trash your movie because of the style, too. I disagree with them as well. :-)

sandy at 06.24.06 - 10:18 am, you wrote:

""
A few glaring errors in the film and i've only watched the first 35 minutes so far. For instance, his claim that Blair was sure to lose the upcoming Parliamentary elections before the 7/7 attacks took place is so off-base. Blair had already won the General Election in early May.
""

See:

"'Bloody nose' for Blair, despite victory," Deborah Haynes, Agence France-Presse (AFP), May 6, 2005:

http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=13735542

From the May 5, 2005 general election, the Labour Party's majority in the House of Commons was reduced considerably by 47 seats, while it had no gains in seats. This large reduction in seats was popularly attributed to Blair's military invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Hence, many in his own Labour Party were upset with Blair for their Party's losses. In order for the Prime Minister to stay in office he has to retain the confidence of the House of Commons. The Lower House can vote its lack of support for the Prime Minister by rejecting a Motion of Confidence, or by passing a Motion of No Confidence.

After the May 5 general election, many predicted that Blair wouldn't be able to serve out his full term, even though Blair announced that he would. And while although the 7/7 bombings appear to have diverted people's attention for a bit, it currently seems likely that Blair will indeed be forced out in the next year:

"I'll step down next summer, Blair tells cabinet ministers," Francis Elliott and Whitehall Editor, Independent (U.K.), May 14, 2006:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article449000.ece

http://www.theaterhopper.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5535

Dem Bruce Lee Styles - you have a valid opionion on the style of Jones' movie but I disagree with it. Just so you know, I've seen people trash your movie because of the style, too. I disagree with them as well.
YT | 06.24.06 - 5:36 pm | #

^ I know man it's cool, it's all just personal opinion. But I'm just a little bit disappointed by Alex Jones' new one, I think he could have made it much better. But I'm sure my opinionÂ’s quite minority view, and this one'll go on to be even more successful then Martial Law, which I recon was better then this Terror Storm.

In addition to my previous post above, see also:

"A Pyrrhic victory for Tony Blair," Financial Times, May 6, 2005:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/a4074e92-bdda-11d9-87aa-00000e2511c8.html

http://www.iran-daily.com/1384/2269/html/dotcoms.htm

I have no idea what your point is, James Redford. The fact is AJ has made a glaring error in claiming that Blair was bound to lose an election he had already won,

Another glaring error AJ makes is that he claims Blair used 7/7 to bloster support for his unpopular Iraq adventure. Nothing could farther from the truth -- Blair and his cabinet tried to put as much distance between 7/7 and Iraq as they possibly could. They tried to spin it as "we were a rarget anyway, despite Iraq....after all Bali, USS Cole, 9/11 etc. all took place before the Iraq invasion".

AJ should surely have checked these things out before putting them in his film.

sorry for the spelling errors.

My point, sandy, is that Blair was going to be forced out despite the May 5 general election.

As the Financial Times of London put in on May 6, 2005 (see my previous post above for the reference):

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But the outcome of the election means that Labour will find its third term parliament a less docile body. The likelihood is that Mr Blair will face pressure to hand over to Gordon Brown sooner rather than later.
""

Fair enough....I agree with that.

Blair had announced prior to the Election that he would not run for a fourth term. 7/7 changed nothing as far as the time when he would hand over to Brown is concerned in my opinion.

there was on error in "lies and the lying liars" which invalidated the rest of the book.

perfection is a curse and an illusion

sandy, after the May 5 general election, Blair announced that he would stay for the full term (i.e., until 2010), even though now he's apparently going to be forced out in the summer of 2007. The 7/7 bombings somewhat delayed the pressure (even from his own Party) he was under to step aside. If it weren't for the bombings, he likely would already be out.

I don't think that the 7/7 bombings worked out quite as well as Blair and his globalist cohorts would have liked them to. But credit for that goes to the efforts of those such as us in the 9/11 Truth movement in educating people. Even so, the British government has used these attacks as a pretext for further police-state measures.

The problem with Alex's delivery is that he almost seems to revel in it. He's blatantly putting in what he thinks will entertain, shock and move people but what he doesn't realize is that by doing so he's being grossly manipulative and exploitive at the same time. It would appear that he's been weened on tabloid journalism by preferring flashy and loud instead of simple and effective. As much I admire his efforts to get the truth out, he really is quite an extraordinarily bad filmmaker. To put it more succinctly, would you pass on an AJ film to somebody you know? I don't and never have. Most people I know would be turned off by the way his films appear not to be factual but sensationlistic in nature.

AlteC-LAnsIng, yes I would pass on Alex Jones's films, and indeed I have. I particularly find his below-listed films quite valuable and informative:

911: The Road to Tyranny:

http://www.archive.org/details/911theRoadtoTyranny

Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove:

http://www.archive.org/details/DSIBG

Police State 2000:

http://www.archive.org/details/PS2000

Police State II: The Takeover:

http://www.archive.org/details/PoliceStateII

Alex was discussing state sponsored terror a decade ago. You johnnie come lately clipmakers should bear that in mind. :)

Mineta clip; other interesting stuff

http://tyrannyalert.com/video.htm

TerrorStorm rocks - I'd like to hear Charlie Sheen's voice on this film.

Stars voices give things credibility.

I think it was the best piece yet by Alex. I haven't really cared for a lot of the stuff he has done. The production quality is improving. Good job Alex.

I think Alex Jones is a liar working for the very people who ochestrated 9/11.

Learn the truth about the recent conferences here.

http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith-29May2006.mp3

Leakey, your hilarious.

Um, about the complaint about the mainstream media not exposing these lies - in case you didn't know it, the Bush Administration has laws in place to put journalists in jail for any small reason, under national security. They are currently threatening the NY Times with a justice dept. investigation. The media is scared out of their wits. You're dealing with Mafia-like crime figures at the top of our government, the journalists are all scared to death of 1) losing their jobs 2) losing their careers 3) being sent to prison.

So, maybe now you know why they aren't reporting to us everything. It takes courage, and few people are willing to go to prison, suffer financially, etc. Plus, there are plenty in the media who side with the corrupt politicians as well.