i moved it.

I don't get it. Please explain what the photo shows and implies.

Solar cookers in the head section no more.. Great finally I can spread Prof. Jones paper..

"I found this clip, I hadn't seen it before, It looks like theres a huge explosion on one floor near the crash zone before the Tower collapses. Does anyone know wether this clip is genuine and if so whats actually happening in the clip?"

Hey Steve,

Yeah it's a real clip.. it is available in the film "HBO: In Memoriam: New York City, 9/11/01"

Refering to Dr. Jones thermite findings.....[1] since thermite/thermate can be made of basic industrical chemicals, it can be made "tracerless"--i.e., avoid all signature tracer chemicals that the U.S. Govt requires be mixed in very small amounts in all highly powerful and highly monitored explosives to keep track of every batch's origin.
[2] Moreover if he has found it in WTC7, as he says, then with Silverstein admitting that he conducted a controlled demolition on 9-11 of WTC7 around 5:30 p.m., then Silverstein is admitting that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 all are thermate controlled demolitions.
[3] And who was in charge of WTC security? Why, Marvin Bush, brother of George W. Bush, on the board of Securatech.
[4] And written up in their mom's (ghostwritten) autobiography, Barbara Bush drops the other bombshell that it's just a coincidence that Marvin's contract at the WTCs was up on September 11, 2001 anyway. She wrote about it in the book.
[5] The Bush family through Marvin Bush have been in charge of security of the WTCs since immediately after the first failed terrorist attempt to knock down the WTCs one month into Clinton's Presidential tenure in 1993.
[6] The FBI is on record giving the order to conduct terrorism on the WTC in 1993, via their hired gun Salam, who didn't want to carry out the attack 'for real' since he was told by the FBI that he was hired simply for a sting opreation to arrest some perpetrators in a terror cell he infiltrated for the FBI. [two minute video summary
[7] When the FBI instead told him to both suggest the WTC as a target for the 1993 attack, as well as teach them how to make bombs, as well as FBI allowing him to provide live explosives--their agent started taping everything covertly that he was ordered to do in reference to FBI ordering him to carry out the 1993 terrorist attack on the WTCs.
[8] Immediately after the failed attack on the WTCs, the Bush family, through a corporate shell vehicle owned in part by the royal family of Kuwait, the Kuwaiti/American Corporation, was put in charge of security at the WTCs, with Marvin Bush on board.
[9] Seven weeks before the controlled demolitions of 9-11, the towers change hands in their first (rushed) sale, being all bought up by Silverstein, who introduces a huge terrorism insurance appendage.
[10] Despite admitting publicly that HE gave the order (in the PBS special "America Rebuilds") to blow up his own WTC7 on 9-11, the whole thing is so corrupt that he still collects 500 million dollars on the "terrorist destuction alibi" of WTC7, and has already collected several billion dollars on the 'terrorism clause' in the WTC1/2 insurance.
[11] and We already know that the anthrax that was sent to congress and which killed several postal workers in the process (sent to Senator Daschle and to Senator Leahy), was weaponized under a covert CIA only contract, and it was a domestic Ames strain of anthrax coming from one of three or four of the U.S. bioweapons labs.
[12] The "Patriot Act" was already written up before 9-11, just required a whiff of domestic anthrax to force passage with a bit more bio-terrorism on the Congress itself by domestic terrorists;
[13] Bush and his whole Cabinet of course were out of danger: they were taking an anthrax exclusive drug to counter it, from September 11 onward, so when the anthrax hit in early October in DC, Bush's staff would be immune to the domestic-in-origin anthrax terrorism. The interesting point of course is Bush's whole team all psyched up and anticipating an anthrax attack one month in advance--which just so happens to be the incubation time for the anthax bacilli--I could go on ad nauseum. The whole U.S. government is a terrorist unit, operating under the guise of its counter terrorism squads.]

It wasn't ONLY Marvin Bush working for security firm but also Bush's counsin, Wilt Walker III was CEO of same security firm who had plans for buildings!

Maddog - do you URL's or references to your numerous facts you presented above?

Although there are about 100 points of incriminatory evidence against the current Bush Admin. about their complicity in 9/11, WTC-7 should ABSOLUTELY be the focus for a new "independent" investigation about the 9/11 "attacks"

The question I asked myself this a.m. is who would lead and appoint commissioners to this "independent commission"? I came up with "nada".

Please help this cynical soul.

"Solar cookers in the head section no more.. Great finally I can spread Prof. Jones paper..
Tono Stano | Homepage | 06.27.06 - 1:40 am | # "

That was really quite foolish to allow the "solar cooker" to hang you up from spreading the paper around.

It is of no consequence as compared to asking the "correct" physics questions about the observations of 9/11, which he (and his associates) did and the others (FEMA, NIST, Eagar, Bazant) didn't.

What is important is to get people to see the work of Dr Jones et al., especially other scientists and engineers in both acedemic and industrial settings.

Also, the "short computation" paper by Prof. Kutler should be spread around. Until those very basic observations are addressed, the other "reports" (if you can call them that) are all totally meaningless, as in being incomplete from the point of view of addressing the most basic physics.

Please also note that the Kutler paper gives a lower bound on the time of collapse under the assumption of perfectly inelastic collisions of the "pancaking" process. When elasticity of the collisions is added the collapse time will necessarilly be longer than he calculated.

To jeff.......Here is the url to the article I quoted from. http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_22290.shtml

Don't get me wrong I love and actually use solar cookers but that heading was really strange "solar cookers and 9/11"

Besides my compatriots are total morons so it's was uphill battle..

"Don't get me wrong I love and actually use solar cookers but that heading was really strange "solar cookers and 9/11"

Besides my compatriots are total morons so it's was uphill battle..
Tono Stano | Homepage | 06.27.06 - 2:55 pm | # "

Yes, that much I do agree with.

The two should be kept entirely separated.

I just want it known that the “solar cooker” is the sort of project that nearly all scientists and engineers should be required to undertake as some portion of their contribution to humanity. (And of course an outright ban on the design and production of bombs, etc. should be implemented.)

We may have to give people some time to grieve a bit at the enormity of the reality that is hitting them square on.

"Please also note that the Kutler paper gives a lower bound on the time of collapse under the assumption of perfectly inelastic collisions of the "pancaking" process. When elasticity of the collisions is added the collapse time will necessarilly be longer than he calculated.
YouCrazyDiamond | 06.27.06 - 11:51 am | # "

Oops. I need to retract that statement. (Isn't physics fun? It is not enough to use intuition; one must actually do the derivation of the two cases: elastic vs inelastic.)

Still, I agree with the analysis by Kuttler with regard to the collapse clearly not being elastic.

And this simple analysis still does not account for the other large resistive forces that would be encountered as the floors collapsed, and so his conclusion is quite strong, IMHO.

I have absolute no doubt...no doubt, that the towers were sabotaged. Everything now fits. Explosions rocking the sublevels BEFORE the first plane. Explosives going off for 45 minutes to rock the core. An EMP pulse that noticibly leaves a strange digital line through all the amatuer video seconds before the collapse. bright flury of explosive flashes INSIDE the mushroom cloud at the top. Squibs running down the side. Reporters hearing a series of firecrackers. The thermate anaylis. The molten steel. The satelite temperatures. The original architect's
view. The 1983 documentary on the WTC construction. It all fits. Wait til Loose Change 3 comes out...it will leave no doubt.

It's nice to hear you making perfect sense, pocky.