VT 9/11 Truth Group Stages Performance Protest

Activists Protest Guantanamo and 9/11 Report - Seven Days

Last Sunday afternoon, a perfect 80-degree day brought crowds to the Church Street Marketplace in search, perhaps, of sun, sustenance and sales. Some of those shoppers and cafe people-watchers were treated to an unexpected, confrontational bit of street theater. Nine men wearing black hoods and orange jumpsuits, meant to represent Guantanamo Bay prison detainees, made their way down Church Street, hands held — though not cuffed — behind them. Two in front carried an upside-down American flag; two at the rear carried a large white sign with the message: "Arrest the U.S. government — 9/11 was a U.S. military attack." These strong words met with derision and anger from some; others applauded. "Only in Burlington . . .," opined one onlooker.

The group stopped in each block for a protest/performance: The "prisoners" kneeled on the ground with heads bowed. An accompanying "narrator," wearing a striped shirt and cargo shorts, read brief biographical statements on their behalf, standing next to each in turn. "My name is Jamil al-Banna," the narrator declaimed. "I have been imprisoned for 4 1/2 years without being charged with a crime. I have not been allowed legal counsel. I have three sons ages 6, 8 and 9. My oldest prays every day that I am not being tortured . . ." At the end of each bio, the narrator shouted, "Only 9/11 truth can set me free."
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At an organizational meeting prior to their demonstration, Shelburne resident Pete Garritano, 50, explained that he and other members of the local Truth Group don't know whether any of the controversial 9/11 conspiracy theories are true, but they are certain the official 9/11 Commission Report doesn't add up.

Garritano pointed out that the Bush administration delayed the start of an investigation for 441 days after the attacks, and then created a commission composed of Bush loyalists. Burlington Truth Group member Frank Haddleton, 43, said their immediate goal is a city council resolution calling for a new 9/11 investigation. Thirty-seven-year-old Greg Nixon, also of Burlington, put it this way: "The burden of proof is on the government to tell us what really happened."

"We believe that the more people actually take the time to examine the facts," added Garritano, "the more people will realize that the government's story is like Swiss cheese."

The Vermont 9/11 Truth Group is not alone in its skepticism. There are corollary activists in New York, Chicago, Boston and many other cities. There is a British 9/11 Truth Group, and even a Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth. According to Garritano, these are not chapters of a national organization; rather, they are all grassroots groups that have cropped up independently and now exchange ideas and information — see www.vt911.org for links. Nixon explained that the Vermont group launched after David Ray Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11, came to speak at Burlington's Unitarian Church last fall. His book was one of the offerings at the information table during Sunday's demonstration.

Check it out, post some comments.

Thanks Greg for the heads up!

Two in front carried an

Two in front carried an upside-down American flag; two at the rear carried a large white sign with the message: "Arrest the U.S. government — 9/11 was a U.S. military attack."

Now that's a good statement, the type of which is entirely lacking from all those plane-hugging govt-hugging Muslim-hijacker-blaming LIHOP types. (There's no way to take the LIE out of LIHOP!)
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VERY cool. Thanks guys!

VERY cool. Thanks guys!

A larger pic

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

I can't wait until my group

I can't wait until my group starts doing stuff like this.

Not "my" group. You know

Not "my" group. You know what I meant.

Off Topic..... Has the BBC

Off Topic.....

Has the BBC assigned a correspondent to address the issues of 911?

If so, who is that person?

Forty gallons of sap are

Forty gallons of sap are needed to make one gallon of syrup.

Pre-planted explosives

Remember Mrs. Tatlock (known as Lucky Anne in the benefit golf circuit) not only worked in the World Trade Center, but her offices , Fiduciary Trust Co.
International, were right where faux Flight 175 crashed into WTC 2. Fiduciary Trust offices would provide a greater degree of access and control for the pre-planted incendiaries. It would be interesting to diagram the exterior in relation to tenant and faux plane damage in both towers.

Thomas Kean of 9/11 Omission fame used to serve as the company's director. He was elected to the board of Pepsi in 1999 the same year that Carlyle Group took over 7UP. It would also be interesting to research who had the biggest vending accounts in the WTC (my money is on Aramark Corp) and where they were located. That would be one very good way of expanding access and control to plant explosives.

http://www.pbg.com/investor/2004_Annual/directors.html

AmandaReconwith, have you ever...

...seen this?

http://www.theyrule.net/

It can be a very interesting research tool.

--
"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Now this is what it's all

Now this is what it's all about. I don't have a group here in Houston but if Id id I wonder if I really would do something like this? Guess we'll have to or they are gonna continue to commit murder on a daily basis and we will probably be next when the truth comes out.

Wasn't Jim Fetzer supposed

Wasn't Jim Fetzer supposed to be on the Laura Ingraham Show? That was posted yesterday I believe.

Holy Crap! This envigorates

Holy Crap! This envigorates me no end seeing this article. This is called Direct Action in activist circles!
No More Wars For The 9/11 Lie!
I cannot wait to take part in any kind of guerrilla street 9/11 Truth activism. If anyone in the san francisco area has any plans, I definately would be able to bring about some pretty bold ideas and people.

Also, MSNBC says "Osama releasing a new Zarqawi" tribute and will speak. Osama, youre a liar...give it up dude.
You were tricked by US double agents Atta and 4 others. You didnt pull off 9/11 you kidney failing sack of shit!
Go back to the construction business.

I wish I could post Arabic on jihadist websites. Id be posting 9/11 Truth shit all over. Saying "haha you dumb shits, you didnt pull off 9/11. Suck it"

Remember Mrs. Tatlock ...her

Remember Mrs. Tatlock ...her offices , Fiduciary Trust Co. International, were right where faux Flight 175 crashed into WTC 2 ?

Note that the first hit was NT 81st, is where we find the (psuedo) offices of a real Bush family fudiciary 'titan', the one who orchestrated the destruction of the S&L's- Charles Hurwitz. Chas it seems was behind the push to plow the Redwood forests, who trashed many a Union and then moved on to build private golf respites, banking $3B of your tax money in Bermuda, etc...

I always enjoy these 'success stories,' that read like Robert Murdoch's; negative equity and zero risk!

Do you suppose the boys at

Do you suppose the boys at HAARP 'aimed' this little rain cloud towards Burlington, in an effort to nip this classic foolishness in the bud?

I've often thought that the VERY BEST way to do one of these demos is to utilize a huge 'gang' of children. Imagine them spanning an entire bridge, they are waving, smiling, throwing water-baloons and holding a big banner that reads: (___________)!

(Use your imagination, my signs are truly meant to summon-up the FirstGov-Guard!)

pockybot: Google

pockybot:

Google Translator:
http://www.google.com/translate

You can translate to arabic and paste:

For Example:
You didn't commit 9/11. Suck it!
translates to
انت لم ترتكب 9/11. الامتصاص!

lol @ 911blogger.com in

for the record i have not

for the record i have not gone to bed yet because i woke up at 3pm today so I'm pulling an all nighter to get back to good with my internal clock and all that.

Israeli missiles pound Gaza

Israeli missiles pound Gaza into new Dark Age in ‘collective punishment’

As a textbook example of hi-tech precision bombardment it could hardly be improved. Smoke was still rising yesterday from the scorched wreckage of the six transformers at GazaÂ’s only power station, each destroyed by a single missile fired by an Israeli warplane some 10 hours earlier.

"I wish I could post Arabic

"I wish I could post Arabic on jihadist websites. Id be posting 9/11 Truth shit all over"

I've spoken about what really happened to numerous Egyptians in the Jersey City (it has a VERY large Arabic community) area, and they mostly already had their suspicions, I only confirmed them.

I get the feeling the DVDs spread like wildfire...

It's comming from the sorrow

It's comming from the sorrow on the street
the holy places where the races meet

from the homicidal bitchin'
that goes down in every kitchen
to determine who will serve and who will eat.

From the wells of disappointment
where the women kneel to pray
for the grace of God in the desert here
and the desert far away:

Democracy is comming to the U.S.A.

New York Times and neocons

New York Times and neocons bury 9/11 truth movement
http://www.rockrivertimes.com/index.pl?cmd=viewstory&cat=4&id=13567

excerpt from the article

excerpt from the article above:

"...new book by Ron Suskind,..., The One Percent Doctrine, which relates a panicky CIA officer telling President George W. Bush in the summer of 2001 a huge attack on the U.S. was imminent; to which Bush replied, “O.K. You’ve covered your ass.”

This was an absolutely

This was an absolutely brilliant event. It got into the press, and luckily the writer was very fairminded, but what is brilliant is the LINKING of these two events in people's minds. Both things are factual (people know they exist) and they are simply questioning the report. Their is little social risk in doing that but it gets people thinking.

I'm starting a new site

I'm starting a new site called
towerfakeryon911.com You idiot "9/11 Truthers" trying to push the disinformation lies that the world trade center even existed. Towerhuggers!
You're all distracting from the fact the towers didnt exist!

Now excuse me, while I take obscure blurry doctored footage...
16 Tower CGI fakes that fooled the world! Why do people still think there was towers? It was ALL HOLOGRAMS!!111
Damn Towerhuggers. Dont you know
John Oneil is sitll alive?

(sorry, the no planers just piss me off)

Thanks for sharing the news

Thanks for sharing the news of this event.

I hope we see more and more public displays like this that force people to take notice and shake them from their slumber.

Does anyone here ever just wake up with such anger about how "everyday people" just go on about their business as if all of this 9/11 fakery is no big deal and is inconsequential in the scheme of things?

Is it possible that more people will protest, demonstrate, and take to the streets? What will have to happen before that occurs?

NEWS ALERT!!!! new Osama Bin

NEWS ALERT!!!! new Osama Bin Laden VIDEO, i repeat, VIDEO-message expected!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201423,00.html

WOW! Now we will see how good they can fake him! How much they (CIA) have learned since the last "October surprise"-video.

That's what they want you to think...

...and later many people wil think that OBL actually appeared in another video.

CAIRO, Egypt — Usama bin Laden will issue a videotaped message paying tribute to slain Al Qaeda in Iraq chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a message posted on an Islamic militant Web site said Wednesday.

The message did not say when the video would be posted or whether bin Laden himself would appear in it. The Al Qaeda leader has issued three audiotapes this year but has not appeared in a video since one issued on Oct. 29, 2004.

A similar "advertisement" was issued for an al-Zarqawi tribute put out last week by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri. The advertisement appeared on the Web a day before the video was posted on Friday.

Al-Zarqawi, who headed one of Iraq's most notorious insurgent groups, swore loyalty to bin Laden but is believed to have had sometimes rocky ties with Al Qaeda's core leadership, based in the Afghan-Pakistani border region. The Jordanian-born al-Zarqawi was killed in a June 7 U.S. airstrike northeast of Baghdad.

The note for the bin Laden video was posted on a Web forum where militants often post messages. It was in the form of a blue banner signed by As-Sahab, the Al Qaeda production branch.

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

i wonder if it will be the

i wonder if it will be the fat Osama?

The Myth Of

The Myth Of Al-Qaeda

Obviously, some of the information in this article is questionable as far as the 9/11 attacks are concerned. The reason I'm posting it is because it speaks of the incompetence of most "Al-Qaeda" operatives, and the fact that 9/11 required "new levels of competence" that they simply weren't capable of. "Al-Qaeda" CAN NOT make the United States military stand down. "Al-Qaeda" CAN NOT order the FBI to stop investigating the Bin Ladens. "Al-Qaeda" CAN NOT order Omar Sheikh of the Pakistani ISI to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammad Atta. "Al-Qaeda" CAN NOT stack the deck of a so-called "Independent" Commission in favor of the Bush Administration. In other words, the complexity of the 9/11 attacks speaks VOLUMES.

ok guys im trying to convert

ok guys im trying to convert some co-workers and i have a hard core skeptic...what is some of the most "verifiable" proof and damning evidence i should start off with

My Ideas are:
just WTC 7 lol i know i know i need more thats why i need yall help

I need links for:
Siebel Edmonds (most damning evidence)
NORAD Stand Down
AND, any ideas to convert HARD CORE SKEPTICS

Yizzo... Start with

Yizzo...

Start with this...

A few days after his inauguration, George W. Bush asked his principals to find a "way" to invade Iraq. 9/11 happened, and we went to war with Iraq. It's not crazy to suspect that 9/11 was the Bush Administration's "way" to invade Iraq especially since that's what they used to do it.

Followed up by...

What Is The President And The Vice President's Word Worth?

Let me know how that goes.

You first have to convince

You first have to convince them that they are not "above" murdering 3000 people. That is the first obstacle.

The way I generally do that

The way I generally do that is by mentioning the amount of people killed in Iraq. The official estimate just released is 50,000. The Lancet study is 100,000. A new study based on the Lancet information is 250,000.

They were willing to murder that many people, but weren't willing to kill 3000?

And finish up by stating the

And finish up by stating the following...

There's a reason why the phrase, "I will support and defend the constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC" appears in the oath of office, and in the oath when joining the military.

Show them the fake Osama

Show them the fake Osama 'confession' tape: http://911blimp.net/vid_fakeOsamaVideo.shtml

You first have to convince

You first have to convince them that they are not "above" murdering 3000 people. That is the first obstacle.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.29.06 - 10:01 am | #
also the media, you HAVE to point out the medias corporate interest in covering up something as disgusting as 9/11.it is in their best interest to keep the truth of 9/11 from coming out.

oh my god. the Supreme Court

oh my god. the Supreme Court just made a fair desicion.

after the fake Video has

after the fake Video has amazed them, inform them that Condi Rice's official web site did not recognize the fake:

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-610042.html

i think i just saw a pig fly

i think i just saw a pig fly by my window........

good thing Chief Justice

good thing Chief Justice Roberts had to recuse himself. that psuedo fascist would have ruled in Bushs favor for sure.

Supreme Court blocks

Supreme Court blocks military tribunals for Gitmo prisoners. for anyone wondering what im talking about.

The Supreme Court rules

The Supreme Court rules President Bush overstepped his authority with military war crimes trials for foreigners held at Guantanamo Bay in a case involving a former driver for Osama bin Laden.

Fox News is already going on about "i wonder who voted against the president in the war on terror?".disgusting fucks, they cant wait to paint the "liberals" of the supreme court as friends of terrorists.

Bush has an 11:30 press

Bush has an 11:30 press conference in which he will address the desicion.

Justice Kennedy did the

Justice Kennedy did the right thing this time.

Fox News-"as expected,the 4

Fox News-"as expected,the 4 liberal justices,joined by Justice Kennedy voted against the president."

you can see where this is going right?

actual Fox News

actual Fox News soundbite-"the Supreme Court threw a protection blanket over terrorists".

GOD THIS PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!!!!

actual Fox News

actual Fox News soundbite-"when someone gets word of this to Bin Laden, hes gonna be chuckling isnt he?"

shameless. im sorry, im done now. god im pissed.

Is the Anti-Bush Media

Is the Anti-Bush Media Putting Us All in Danger?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201007,00.html

Now that 'their' Tony Snow is part of the White House, Fox News is lost...

HAHAHAH!!!!! chris, just

HAHAHAH!!!!! chris, just wanted to let you know im right with you in just about every post you make.... this shit can drive you crazy if you let it...

i must say "this is insane" 100 times a day... no shit.. im lucky that i can laugh at it also... i mean, what else can you do???

i swear, the guys i know in san diego i faught with about 911 would have tried to jump me if i wasnt at my buddys wedding... HAHAHHAHA!!!! theyre fucking crazy... he called me a commie!!! HAHAHA!!!

thanks for the quotes chris!

thanks for the quotes chris!

Greg, i find it funny how in

Greg, i find it funny how in that Fox News piece you just posted, they directly link to The Wall Street Journal(rightwing rag) but they dont bother doing the same for The New York Times(treasonous by republican standards).

the Supreme Court made the

the Supreme Court made the right call for once(partially because Roberts was recused) and yet im still pissed as hell.i really gotta stop watching Fox News, its not good for my heart.

Chris, even if Roberts did

Chris, even if Roberts did not recuse it would still have been 5-4. So the decision still would have held.

Don't focus on Roberts, because it really does not play a role if he was there or not in this particular result.

Roberts is still a bastard,

Roberts is still a bastard, i take any oppurtunity i get to bash him.haha.your right though.

but Kennedy can always go

but Kennedy can always go either way.hes the wild card now that O'Connor is gone.

Some people are going to

Some people are going to think that Big Bush is being terrorized by the Supreme Court (activist-style) and that the U.S. is going to be put in harm's way if Bush is not allowed to "do his own thing".

I'm starting a new site

I'm starting a new site called
towerfakeryon911.com You idiot "9/11 Truthers" trying to push the disinformation lies that the world trade center even existed. Towerhuggers!
You're all distracting from the fact the towers didnt exist!

Now excuse me, while I take obscure blurry doctored footage...
16 Tower CGI fakes that fooled the world! Why do people still think there was towers? It was ALL HOLOGRAMS!!111
Damn Towerhuggers. Dont you know
John Oneil is sitll alive?

(sorry, the no planers just piss me off)
pockybot | 06.29.06 - 7:28 am | #

^ Hahahahaha, nice one pockybot! "no brainers" totally have the right to voice their opinions, but they don't have the right to f*ck the movements credibility.

1.) "Al-Qaeda" CAN NOT order

1.) "Al-Qaeda" CAN NOT order the FBI to stop investigating the Bin Ladens.

2.) "Al-Qaeda" CAN NOT order Omar Sheikh of the Pakistani ISI to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammad Atta.

3.) "Al-Qaeda" CAN NOT stack the deck of a so-called "Independent" Commission in favor of the Bush Administration.

Can you provide a link for these Jon?

And I need a link also for something I think Dr. Jones said which was something to the effect of "NIST/FEMA could not duplicate what happened in a controlled enviorment. All of their test results from a fire had failed to produce a collapse" This is just a summary

and also I think someone, I dont know if was Hoffman or Dr. Jones who quoted an expert who said "the planes arent what caused the collapse, thats a myth, it was the ensuing fire." it was something like that..the reason is to rule out "BUT the Plane, THE PLANE" nonsense

no doubt ts2006, its gotten

no doubt ts2006, its gotten so goddamned predictable, im starting to have a genuine hate for my fellow americans. i know that sounds bad, but its staggering to me that people dont see the writing on the wall. i mean, they are attacking the lapdog, cowardly press for "exposing" some of the administrations disturbing activities. the(fake liberal) New York Times actively sold the war on terror and all its lies about 9/11 and WMD's, and now some people/officials/politicians have the audacity to say they should be jailed.the more informed i become the more angry i get.i wish people would wake the hell up.

I can't believe people

I can't believe people pushing "no planes at the wtc" are unable to realise thatÂ’s just a bit too wild for most people. What are they trying to achieve, because if it's not even convincing sceptics of 9/11, how much good will it ever do in swaying public opinion toward 9/11 truth?

Yesterday I got in a big

Yesterday I got in a big argument with a woman I work with about 9/11 truth. She just won't believe the government would kill 3,000 Americans and refuses to believe that the Media is complicit and compromised. Even when I present proof of an inside job she just won't listen. What kills me is that she knows I am right and still refuses to face the facts. The truth is too painful for her to handle. I find this so frustrating. I guess even if there were signed confessions by Bush and Cheney there would still be people who wouldn't believe it. I'll tell you, being a truther is tough work.

I understand, Chris. It is

I understand, Chris. It is very frustrating. Some days I feel very hopeless about this country. Other days I feel like a change of direction is possible.

1)http://www.gregpalast.com/d

1)http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=195

2)http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8476

3)http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6668

Yizzo... there are so many

Yizzo... there are so many articles that corroborate those claims... those are only a few.

"It was not always clear the

"It was not always clear the United States and America would have a good relationship"-President Bush speaking with Prime Minister of Japan, about 20 seconds ago on CNN. i shit you not.

Isn't the United States and

Isn't the United States and America one and the same?

He could be referring to

He could be referring to Latin America I guess?

arrest the pnac---not the

arrest the pnac---not the american govt

Whatever happened to that

Whatever happened to that Citizens' Arrest?

He could be referring to

He could be referring to Latin America I guess?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.29.06 - 11:41 am | #
no, he was talking about Japan, so i doubt that. hes just a friggin idiot is all.

Oh, so he meant to say, "The

Oh, so he meant to say, "The United States and Japan..."

no doubt ts2006, its gotten

no doubt ts2006, its gotten so goddamned predictable, im starting to have a genuine hate for my fellow americans. i know that sounds bad, but its staggering to me that people dont see the writing on the wall. i mean, they are attacking the lapdog, cowardly press for "exposing" some of the administrations disturbing activities. the(fake liberal) New York Times actively sold the war on terror and all its lies about 9/11 and WMD's, and now some people/officials/politicians have the audacity to say they should be jailed.the more informed i become the more angry i get.i wish people would wake the hell up.
Chris | Homepage | 06.29.06 - 11:25 am | #

^ Thing is dude you've got to remember that you also were probably asleep to all this sh!t at one time. Everyone's the same, it's just it seems like most people havenÂ’t woken up yet. It's guaranteed that a lot of people have, and I think a lot people in the media have also, so the positive trend will continue. It wonÂ’t be noticed on the TV as long as the press is controlled, but we might even see a rebellion in the media soon hopefully.

regarding the Fetzer vs

regarding the Fetzer vs Hoffman issue

I completely agree with what 'reader' said in the other thread

Hoffman's papers are excellent and present some of the strongest arguments for 9/11 being a controlled demolition that exist

The idea that he is a 'shill' is ludicrous as he is doing a better job than Fetzer, Morgan etc in terms of strength of argument

Anyone who has heard his radio appearances or seen his talk on 9/11 guilt will know this

Ironically he too is guilty of speculation (talk of microwaves etc) but he himself has revised and criticised his own material

He is obviously more concerned with gettin the facts straight than most people but at the same time remains an activist - the flyers available at wtc7.net / 911 research are excellent and I have been handing them out

in my opinion Hoffman belongs within the scholars instead of as an outside critic - it would be nice if Fetzer and he could put the ad hominem attacks aside and unite (whilst calmly debating)

my 2 cents

Chris, I used to get angry

Chris, I used to get angry too. It's going to go the way it goes, all we can do is our best to stop it. Anger is such a waste, it saps your energy. Think of the change that is coming when we win. Focus on the positive.

More on new bin Laden tape

More on new bin Laden tape from ABC:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/06/new_bin_laden_a.html

"A new Osama bin Laden audio is expected to be released within three days. On the tape, bin Laden will talk about the death of Abu Musab Zarqawi. More details to come.

The audio is about 5 minutes in length. ..."

As one commenter notes "Uhhh... How do these reporters know a tape will be released in 3 days? "On the tape, bin Laden 'will' talk about..."? How do they know what will be on a tape by bin Laden that apparently hasn't even been released, let alone recorded yet???"

"A new Osama bin Laden audio

"A new Osama bin Laden audio is expected to be released within three days."

When do they start giving Osama his own satellite feed?

"A new Osama bin Laden audio

"A new Osama bin Laden audio is expected to be released within three days."

When do they start giving Osama his own satellite feed?
Itsaputon | 06.29.06 - 12:05 pm | #
really. and like Anon above said, how the hell do they know about this 3 days in advance? one of those "al qaeda" websites? hahahahaha. has anyone here ever had any luck in finding an actual "al qaeda" website? sigh.

you guys are right, for

you guys are right, for sure, but its the anger that drives me.i will never stop being angry about this shit.talk to you guys later.

Dem Bruce Lee Styles and

Dem Bruce Lee Styles and Itsaputon, thank you for the words you shared with Chris.

I've learned a lot from this site. And, even more importantly, it's been heartening to see patience and support for people trying to deal with what has become apparent.

My worldview has definitely been altered but I do want to try to remain positive about potential change. Even though I too have moments of complete outrage and anger, it's definitely not a good way to feel. Hopefully, we'll all maintain our strength to push through until it is commonly accepted knowledge and understanding what rogues inside the U.S. did to 3,000 innocent people on 9/11.

i think its healthy to have

i think its healthy to have some "type" of rage aka passion..but dont let it destroy you....the reason we are so outraged is because America is the Beacon of Freedom/Democracy. But if you lived in the Sudan or a third world/war-torn country..what our government is doing is peanuts compared to what their govt's are doing to them. so lets be passionaite but lets not get too angry cuz it could be a LOT worse

I'm angry. So much so, I've

I'm angry. So much so, I've become numb.

I think I need to be on the

I think I need to be on the radio. Anyone have a radio show that needs a guest?

Interestingly my friends who

Interestingly my friends who are in a band have discussed staging a protest similiar to the one in VT and making some noise on the war, 9/11 coverup in the middle of the post office square in boston where it is usually crowded during lunch time on work days. I'm going to ask them again if they're still thinking about hostng a protest. Problem is the time conflicts in the scheduling of one and the other. But this type of protest in that area I think will be highly effective, good way to get the word out.

I feel exactally like Chris.

I feel exactally like Chris. It is my anger that drives me. Untill Bush and the "shadow government" that backs him hang I will probably stay angry. As far as Osama goes, he's dead. How people can believe that bs is beyond me. One would think they would come up with a different boogie man by now. Their tired script is getting old.

Yizzo, I agree. And, your

Yizzo, I agree. And, your words are wise.

But the anger some people feel may stem from the fact that freedom and democracy CAN BE LOST. Building a history and continuing to operate all on a pack of 9/11 lies is poisonous.

I don't think any of us would for one moment tolerate a relationship with someone who behaved as if he or she was living in an alternate universe (his or her own reality). But, that is exactly what many people are doing regarding 9/11, almost in schizophrenic fashion.

"I donÂ’t have time for democracy. I canÂ’t be bothered with freedom and democracy."

ThatÂ’s the attitude many Americans have about all of the things that have been doing down since 9/11.

The Osama & Qaeda tapes have

The Osama & Qaeda tapes have recently been standardized: Osama only on audio, Uncle Zawahiri & Zarqawi always with the same video: a machine gun aside them, etc.
- Their phony 'terrorism experts' can claim it's been an 'authenticated' voice, but unless Osama is on video, it get's suspicious. So I see a chance Osama is on video (some MSM are not talking about an audio tape).

Calif. city weighs

another example of media

another example of media complicity: they're only listing the fake-tapes, while the ones that denied the 9/11 involvement are *ignored*:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4010474.html

Oustanding

Oustanding article:
Viewpoint: New York Times and neocons bury 9/11 truth movement http://www.rockrivertimes.com/index.pl?cmd=viewstory&cat=4&id=13567

"But the anger some people

"But the anger some people feel may stem from the fact that freedom and democracy CAN BE LOST." '

truthsearching2006, maybe that freedom has to be lost in order to be reborn. Maybe the constitution has to be destroyed so we can start again on a new path. This country was set in secrecy when the constitutional convention was held without the press or public oversight.
Two quotes from Lord Acton may enlighten you "Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity."
"There are two things which cannot be attacked in front: ignorance and narrow-mindedness. They can only be shaken by the simple development of the contrary qualities. They will not bear discussion."

>But the anger some people

>But the anger some people

The problem is that the 9/11 "operation" -so to speak, was a perfect success. Maybe the Flight93 crash and WTC7 weren't as planned, but even that could not withstand the overwhelming psychological campaign about 'patriotism' and other Orwellian propaganda that was to follow. To top it, all investigations were successfully delayed until the 9/11 commission, and even that commission was successfully set up to cover-up the truth, including the respectable NIST that was only allowed to provide a 'by fire' collapse theory. Then the wars, and "4 more years" for the NeoCons.

Almost 5 years after 9/11 it can hardly be said we're trying to prevent the cover-up from succeeding, it has succeeded already and we're insisting on an appeal.

"Almost 5 years after 9/11

"Almost 5 years after 9/11 it can hardly be said we're trying to prevent the cover-up from succeeding, it has succeeded already and we're insisting on an appeal."

But the appeal is being done by the spread of information online. It's like someone being tried in the press. That's why I'm not concerned about the facts all being flushed out about 9/11.

I think the best example is

I think the best example is appeal to peoples logic 1st and then emotions 2nd.
For instance whenever i show someone a dvd I also print out a list of newspaper clippings from "official" sources to back up all of the key points. That appeals to their intellect and 2nd I ask them to consider one of their family members dying from the hands of "crip or blood gang member" how would that make you feel? They would be angry...well instead of the neo-cons having an official gang they have an administration that can cause far worst damage than any gang can begin to contemplate.

Another quote by Lord Acton

Another quote by Lord Acton which needs repeating.

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks."

>But the appeal is being

>But the appeal is being done by the >spread of information online. It's >like someone being tried in the >press.
That's the problem: the MSM, Leftwing, Rightwing and of course Bushco. deny that there is anything to be investigated, as if we were all 'obviously' wrong.
What would really be needed is the measures outlined here:

http://www.sendmeabuck.com/

Reinvestigate the events of 9/11/01
Dr. Steven Jones will be asked to be an investigator
Thousands of 9/11 related photos & videos will be released by our Government
All testimony will be taken in public and under oath
George & Marvin Bush, Richard Cheney, Larry Silverstein, Gene Corley, and others
will be called to testify before Congress

Criminal proceedings will held as appropriate

"Criminal proceedings will

"Criminal proceedings will held as appropriate"

That's just a waste of time. We are far beyond that point. The only thing we can do now is spread the truth through means other than the MSM. If the MSM pays attention fine, but if they don't move on without them. Don't show them any respect by begging them. Find an alternative method. I bike blog for instance.

yizzo: When the government

yizzo: When the government terrorizes and kills its own people that's as bad as it gets. After that we're just talking about the scale of the atrocity.

I think it's best not to make excuses. That's like the battered wife who says, well my friend's Susan's husband uses a belt so I don't have it too bad.

Off topic... Someone here

Off topic...

Someone here posted a link to a video of a bird sitting on a ledge near the Twin Towers before one tower began to fall. It was as if the bird knew something was coming.

Can someone repost this link or tell me where to look for it? I want to download this video.

"It was as if the bird knew

"It was as if the bird knew something was coming."

Sorry don't have the link. The bird reacted to the explosion in the other tower just before the second plane hit. Watch closely the tower that isn't hit, there's an explosion.

Bin Laden audio??? MSM has

Bin Laden audio??? MSM has been hyping the release of a VIDEO tape, not audio.

Nice bait and switch.

-Culhavoc

Right, Istaputon, that's the

Right, Istaputon, that's the video. Were you the one who posted the link?

I can't remember which thread it was in but I am looking for the link to the video now.

I don't remember where I got

I don't remember where I got it. It might be in here somewhere. They have thumbnails.
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/

Methods questioned in

Methods questioned in investigation leading up to Sears Tower arrests

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Methods_questioned_in_investigation_le...

It's this

Itsaputon, I can't find it

Itsaputon, I can't find it in that site. If you run across it sometime, please repost. Thanks.

That's it, Greg. Thanks.

That's it, Greg. Thanks.

maddog said: "Yesterday I

maddog said:
"Yesterday I got in a big argument with a woman I work with about 9/11 truth. She just won't believe the government would kill 3,000 Americans and refuses to believe.... she just won't listen. What kills me is that she knows.... I guess even if there were signed confessions by Bush and Cheney there would still be people who wouldn't believe it. I'll tell you, being a truther is tough work."

maddog, I have a theroy, and you can take it or leave it: there are people, perhaps 30 - 50%, that are genetically predisposed to be followers/sheeple. No amount of reason will change this programming. I see it even in members of my own family. The just want to "go along to get along". It is up to we who are not sheeple to take our country back with an intensity and sense of purpose not seen since the American Revolution. Upon seeing our strength, coherency and mounting evidence for our position, these timid souls will eventually turn and follow us. In the mean time, it is a waste of our precious time and resources to try to convince them, beyond an initial attempt or two.

"She just won't believe the

"She just won't believe the government would kill 3,000 Americans"

Have you told her about Sibel Edmonds? Does she believe Sibel Edmonds exists? www.justacitizen.com

Body parts at S.I. dump,

Body parts at S.I. dump, 9/11 kin say

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/430562p-363005c.html

"...claiming that hundreds of human body parts - not just tiny fragments - are buried at Fresh Kills landfill.
The parts are mingled in some 414,000 tons of debris that weren't properly sifted after they were transported from Ground Zero, the suit says."

...why was there not enough care taken with WTC debris, Mr Giuliani?

>The just want to "go along

>The just want to "go along to get >along". It is up to we who are not >sheeple to take our country back

An economic crisis would stop that, for sure. And guess what, we're sitting on a time bomb: $8 trillion debt and counting, record deficits with China, Japan, Europe etc..

What do you think of

What do you think of Wing-TV's efforts in the 911 truth movement

http://wingtv-poll.cjb.net/

What do you think of

What do you think of Wing-TV's efforts in the 911 truth movement
Total votes 75

No opinion. (2) 3%
They are destroying this movement with there half truths and whole lies. (41) 55%
Sometimes relevant but usually just destructive, dividing & time wasting - more bad than good (20) 27%
I think they are having very little impact, neither positive nor negative. (4) 5%
I think they are doing good. (3) 4%
Excellent (5) 7%

Sometimes relevant but

Sometimes relevant but usually just destructive, dividing & time wasting - more bad than good (20) 27%

i was generous in picking this option. they just dont have enough power to destroy the movement like they wish they could.

Dr. Jim Fetzer/Judy Woods

Is there any sign of the

Is there any sign of the promised C-SPAN coverage this week?

Is there any sign of the

Is there any sign of the promised C-SPAN coverage this week?
Greg | Homepage | 06.29.06 - 4:00 pm | #
nope. im not counting on it either. if it does come on, it will most likely be C-Span 2 or 3 at 2 in the morning.

Actual Fox News ticker right

Actual Fox News ticker right now:
Ny Times and Gitmo ruling:Is America Soft on Terror?

"Ny Times and Gitmo

"Ny Times and Gitmo ruling:Is America Soft on Terror?"

Yes. America is soft on terror. There are terrorists currently in charge of this Government, and we haven't done jack shit about it. So yes, America is soft on terror.

I'm in a mood today.

I'm in a mood today.

so am i Jon, ive been

so am i Jon, ive been watching a lot of Fox News coverage today. and based on the news recently, you can imagine how fired up the propaganda machine is.

I'm just sick of all of the

I'm just sick of all of the "controversial" theories people feel the NEED to promote. Just fucking sick of it.

while the Pentagon theories

while the Pentagon theories are controversial, i think they are worth discussing. if its CGI your talking about, i completely agree.

To Alex. I agree with you

To Alex. I agree with you but it still frustrates me no end. They are in such deep denial it seems nothing works with them. I just want to screem sometimes. There is so much at stake here.

How long do you think it

How long do you think it will be before Bush/Cheney tear into Iran and start causing trouble there?

"I'm just sick of all of the

"I'm just sick of all of the "controversial" theories people feel the NEED to promote. Just fucking sick of it."

What's the big deal? People who care will sort through the rift raft as I did when I first came to 9/11 truth. I don't think people are turned away by the ridiculous theories so much as they are afraid and ashamed of the truth.

"while the Pentagon theories

"while the Pentagon theories are controversial, i think they are worth discussing. if its CGI your talking about, i completely agree."

It's the Pentagon, it's CGI, it's plane swapping, it's ANYTHING that people can use to make us look insane.

I'm just sick of it, and I'm sure that is the purpose of these arguments to a certain extent. To let the wheel go 'round and 'round. Well, I'm tired, and I'm sick of it.

What happened to the movement's roots? What happened to those simple arguments, or pieces of information that would turn almost anyone on to the truth?

Why has this movement, and I'm sure I can answer this question, but why has this movement felt the need to move to the most controversial, most hard to prove theories?

Keep it simple stupid.

"How long do you think it

"How long do you think it will be before Bush/Cheney tear into Iran and start causing trouble there?"

Every day that they are delayed is more time for the military to speak up. See this: Down the memory hole.

www.electricpolitics.com

"What's the big deal?" The

"What's the big deal?"

The "big deal" is that I don't want to spend the rest of my life doing this.

Pay no attention to me. As

Pay no attention to me. As I said, I'm in a mood.

Great stuff: 911 L.A.

Great stuff:

911 L.A. Conference re-cap

http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/10368.php

"The "big deal" is that I

"The "big deal" is that I don't want to spend the rest of my life doing this."

How is the absense of goofy conspiracies going to speed that up? There's another issue yet to rear it's ugly head.

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." Lord Acton.

"The People's Manifesto" -A

"The People's Manifesto" -A complete resource book created by citizens of the USA. Abridged, through continual refinement, offering a completely non-partisan, and explicit list of legal criteria by which all further US Govermnet operations will be expected to operate. Experts from every sector of the Union, have cooperated to create this NEW Bill of Rights:

First line: "Brain-Scans" and "Lie Detector Tests" are now required for every person who shall be working for the Government, at any level and at any capacity, with any department.

(!/Next!)

Another person that needs

Another person that needs our support.

"University of Utah political scientist Tim Chambless is worried the FBI may be lurking over his shoulder as he attempts to write a book about the late syndicated columnist Jack Anderson."

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3934375?source=rss

new second hit footage! one

new second hit footage!

one two three

9-11 Truther Call to the Ed

9-11 Truther Call to the Ed Schultz Show::

Probably about 15 minutes ago, encouraged Ed to look further into the issue and interview Jones on his recent research on thermite-thermate.

Ed allowed him to speak, but basically made it clear that he had read the info, watched the videos and was not convinced in the least. He went on to say that these people should be allowed to speak, but that his show was the wrong platform to do so..

HOLY CRAP. Can you say OSAMA

HOLY CRAP. Can you say OSAMA GOLDSTEIN?
I just watched 1984 again, Goldstein and Osama are indistinguishable.

This is going to backfire...only so many tiems they can pull the "Osama video/audio" bullshit. Even Walter Kronkite said its BULLSHIT(ie: its put out by the government)

Can we start infiltrating al Qaeda/jihadi forums and educate these morons that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government?

Moussaoui's "guilt" should have been a HUGE red flag to the public.

ongoing discussion on 9/11

ongoing discussion on 9/11 on fark right now:
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2145826

>Qaeda/jihadi forums Qaeda

>Qaeda/jihadi forums

Qaeda itself is the hoax. But maybe there's some forums. The site http://www.jihadunspun.com has brilliant articles on Osama's innocence, i've found.

About the upcoming Osama fake: I think if this is another "audio only" people will really get suspicious. I mean, we're spending TRILLIONS in the War On Terror, all to hunt down ONE MAN, Osama Bin Goldstein, and we're not even getting videographic proof that he's alive (and not even 'fatty' Bin Laden either)

"so am i Jon, ive been

"so am i Jon, ive been watching a lot of Fox News coverage today. and based on the news recently, you can imagine how fired up the propaganda machine is."

Yep, all fired up. It's plain our work is having an effect - good.

Michael Franti & Spearhead-

"Nobody know's where Osama's been hide'in,
The press conferences keep on lie'in,
Like we don't know"

-Light Up Ya lighter

Jon I completely agree with

Jon I completely agree with you.

Some may be upset at me for flipping out on Jim Fetzer a few threads back about his performance on the Colmes show, but when I heard the Olson story fly out of his mouth, I felt the need to give him a piece of my mind.

I also feel that if we want to turn more people on to what really went down on 9-11 (instead of turning them off), we shouldn't be afraid to demand that our self-appointed "9-11 truth leaders" put forward factual information when appearing on national TV and radio. And if they don't we should make it clear to them that we will drive them out of the "movement" if they do not do as we ask.

I'm not saying that speculation doesn't have a place in the "movement", but I AM saying that it shouldn't be spewed on national TV/radio news talk shows when our "representatives" are called on to represent 9-11 truth.

Article: Osama Bin Laden

Article: Osama Bin Laden STILL NOT GUILTY
http://www.jihadunspun.com/BinLadensNetwork/articles/voblng.html

Manifesto , "The private

Manifesto , "The private federal banks and their currencies shall be abolished"

eisenreich, I caught the end

eisenreich,

I caught the end of that caller on Ed Schultz as I got in my car after picking up lunch. Schultz, as you probably know, will only touch 9/11 truth with a potholder because it is too hot. Mr. Schultz has an election to win. He wants to focus on November. Although I don't agree with his decision to not embrace the movement, I can at least understand his reason. It was clear when he made the comment that we are not going to get any of the answers with "Them" in power.

maddog said: "To Alex. I

maddog said:
"To Alex. I agree with you but it still frustrates me no end. They are in such deep denial it seems nothing works with them. I just want to screem sometimes. There is so much at stake here."

maddog, I hear you... but instead of trying to push against the unmovable wall of the stupidity of sheeple, why not spend your energy on dealing with those with the capacity to understand and appreciate what you're saying? The phrase "casting pearls before swine" comes to mind. I wish you Godspeed, brother.

I'm not utterly convinced

I'm not utterly convinced that the supposed confession video is a fake. Can anyone provide me a link to the video and not just a site making claims about it?

Douglas Lain, Here is a

Douglas Lain,

Here is a couple links. Note that he uses his right hand to write a note when the FBI's website says he's left handed.

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/binladinvideo.html

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Here

I agree with Jon Gold. I

I agree with Jon Gold. I don't want to spend the rest of my life doing this either. I think that is why I get so frustrated when others won't listen. I want this bull crap over with. I want to enjoy life with my kids and grandkids. I am not gunna live forever and I am getting damn impatient.

Here's photo from that video

Here's photo from that video to compare with real photos of OBL:

http://media.wagt.com/images/osama_bin_laden_nim.jpg

Comments to the "9/11

Comments to the "9/11 Deniers" article a couple of days ago. 42 pages!

http://letters.salon.com/ent/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/view/

This link might be better.

new second hit footage! one

new second hit footage!

one two three
shep | 06.29.06 - 4:43 pm | #
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, please shep, tell me you dont believe that is real,untouched footage.you cant be serious. and i still say the Pentagon is worth talking about. 84 confiscated videos and a missile sized hole in c-ring says it is.

that spook Robert Baer was

that spook Robert Baer was on The Colbert Report last night spouting off again about how Iran was behind 9/11. "we went to war with the wrong country" is what he said. just laying the groundwork.........

Despite what Jon may say,

Despite what Jon may say, the Pentagon is very damning for the "official story."

"Despite what Jon may say,

"Despite what Jon may say, the Pentagon is very damning for the "official story."

And what does Jon say about the Pentagon other than I think Flight 77 hit it?

How does that change my stance on the fact that our Government was complicit in the attacks?

Does it? Cause if it does, I'd REALLY like to know.

I asked earlier about the "roots" of the movement. The following list is something I grabbed from a letter I posted to Howard Stern on his Bulletin Board. I hope some of these talking points help.

If you want to do your own research, I suggest looking up:

"Peak Oil"
Government Drug Trafficking
Money Laundering
the PNAC (Project For A New American Century)
Wargames like "Vigilant Guardian", and "Tripod II"
Opium growth in Afghanistan before and after our invasion
The Afghanistan/Russia War
Osama Bin Laden/CIA affiliations
MASCAL/PENTAGON
PEOC
PTECH
CIA/Wall Street Connections
PROMIS Software
Put Option purchases 2 days prior to 9/11 by A.B. Brown on American Airlines and United
Mayo Shattuck resigning one day after 9/11 from A.B. Brown
Khalil Bin Laden and the flights out for the Saudis and the Bin Ladens
Mahmoud Ahmed
Pakistani ISI
Caspian Sea Pipeline
Iran/Contra
Whistleblowers like Sibel Edmonds and Coleen Rawley
the toxicity around "Ground Zero"

and especially, above everything else, THE WARNINGS!!! Make sure you first check all of the mainstream media sites like CNN, MSNBC, and yes, even Fox News. Then go to your alternative news sites"

Of course, you can add more, but those are the things I originally focused on. Maybe they can help someone else.

I am so fucking sick of

I am so fucking sick of these no plane people, who KNOW their theory is fake, then GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO FAKE video.

Please please please ban this shit. I'd rather have people talking about UFO's than this insulting shit. They might not be shills, but they DO NOT have the interests of the families or 9/11 Truth in mind.

Also, Im fucking goddamn sick of 90% of the so called liberal dudes on every mainstream forum calling us "tinfoil idiots". Barrie Zwicker is right, the left needs to be attacked. Im sorry, how can you have patience for people who claim Bush is hitler and a liar, bit cant see how obvious 9/11 is?

Yeah, 9/11 is really a conspiracy "theory"...ASK THEM if saying Bush lied about Iraq or stealing the election is a theory

No planers and Bush haters who laugh at 9/11 Truth can suck it.

That "shep" person really is

That "shep" person really is an asshole. Posting phony WTC video as if it's real is just plain wrong!

nevermind the Bush loving

nevermind the Bush loving republican sheep that wave their flags for more war..........

christ, at least the left

christ, at least the left does SOMETHING to stop this creeping fascism. thats more than can be said for anyone on the right.

all i see from the right is

all i see from the right is people saying reporters should be jailed for reporting the truth.

>in my opinion Hoffman

>in my opinion Hoffman belongs within the scholars instead of as an outside critic - it would be nice if Fetzer and he could put the ad hominem attacks aside and unite (whilst calmly debating)
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Jim Hoffman's original contributions were so ambitious, and such a genuine and thorough attempt to wrestle with a mound of data that literally had required 125 people 10 years to compile, and we're talkin' with tens of millions of dollars here. I liked it a lot.

But, the SF group found both Ralph and Jim to be beligerant, not the best team players. So, the "Scholars," (and I do mean p.-h.-d,-'s) just needed their own ivory tower, and I'm OK with that.

Jim, like Alex Jones, often speaks to us with a bit of a sharp tounge, so if you don't think fast, it leaves huge gaps in the comparable line of reasoning. Now, we're not all supposed to agree here. That's the nature of Science, and don't forget it!

My latest theory, (marveling at the complete absurdity of some of this 9/11 debate,) is that Saturn is HOLLOW! --In fact, it's the actual place called "Heaven." Now, who among you can prove me wrong? (I do suggest you book early) :)

Some may be upset at me for

Some may be upset at me for flipping out on Jim Fetzer a few threads back about his performance on the Colmes show, but when I heard the Olson story fly out of his mouth, I felt the need to give him a piece of my mind.

I also feel that if we want to turn more people on to what really went down on 9-11 (instead of turning them off), we shouldn't be afraid to demand that our self-appointed "9-11 truth leaders" put forward factual information when appearing on national TV and radio. And if they don't we should make it clear to them that we will drive them out of the "movement" if they do not do as we ask.

I'm not saying that speculation doesn't have a place in the "movement", but I AM saying that it shouldn't be spewed on national TV/radio news talk shows when our "representatives" are called on to represent 9-11 truth.
stallion4 | 06.29.06 - 4:59 pm | #

I agree. I think we need to put some peer pressure on Fetzer to focus on hard 9/11 evidence and avoid speculation and irrelevant topic when he is on major media broadcasts, if he wants support from the 9/11 community.

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Two in front carried an upside-down American flag; two at the rear carried a large white sign with the message: "Arrest the U.S. government — 9/11 was a U.S. military attack."

Now that's a good statement, the type of which is entirely lacking from all those plane-hugging Muslim-hijacker-blaming govt-hugging LIHOP types. (There's still no way to take the LIE out of LIHOP!)
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Here's a larger pic...

...in the event that you want one.

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)