I talked to several high shcool teachers at the LA 9/11 conference who told me that not only are their anti war views being frownded upon by administrators, but MANY teachers believe 9/11 was an inside job. Why? Because teachers are smart.

Remember this? Ohio NBC affiliate did a segment on a teacher fired for his 9/11 Truth views:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg0PV8gQOcQ

This shit pisses me off no end.

When the full truth on 9/11 comes out,
people are really going to see the error in their ways

Get it together, people! Alex is right. It's all about the almightly Kings and Queens, ruling over their precious little corners of the world, even now 'telling' their good little deciples 'how' they will be playing this game. Gates, Buffet, Jagger, Clinton,- each of them doing precisely as they are told, so everyone can live happily ever after. Where else do you think they could get the ideas to concoct all of the obsene hubris? Or better stated; What exciting 'sequel' do you suppose Osama's latest hit-single foretells?:

"The war in Iraq broke our back in the war on terror," said Mr Scheuer, author of Imperial Hubris, a book highly critical of the Bush Administration's anti-terrorism efforts. "It has made everything more difficult and the threat more existential."

Mr Scheuer, a former CIA counter-terrorism expert, is one of more than 100 national security and terrorism analysts surveyed in the poll by Foreign Policy magazine and the Centre for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank headed by John Podesta, a White House chief of staff in the Clinton administration.

Clinton sold us out more than any other 'poser' to date. It's just astounding to look back and remember that very first speech he gave, right here in mom's living room. Not a single move was un-scripted. Mom dumped him by year two, but I still thought he was too cool, until I met CIA-Hillary, after which I said point-blank: You two are not in love. Is this some sort of 'arranged-marriage?' Neither will look me in the eye to this day, but then telling the Arkansas Senate that they were all "on the take" didn't help my career in politics either. :) Did I lie?

'perform his voodoo'

No, that's G.W. Bush and buddies with Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones - jackass

timber, i could be wrong, but that is probably a ploy to help them get elected and make it look like they have ideas and not just a desire to get payback.

Bastard.

"Among other things, he claimed the group believed to have carried out the attacks was "a bunch of losers who couldn't even fly planes,'' and that evidence indicates the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions."

is that said "AND THAT evidence", or, "and that EVIDENCE"?

"and that EVIDENCE"?

seems like the second version you suggested :)

``I'm trying to teach them how to think, not what to think,'' he told McBride.
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That may be a real tough job with some of the con idiots of today !!

I just e-mailed this to Rep. Nass

Representative Nass
It is clear that either you don't know anything about the events on 9/11/2001 or are through association becoming one of the accomplisses. There happens to be a staggering amount of information indicating that whatever took place on 9/11 was not what it appeared to be. There is clear evidence that World trade buildings 1,2 and 7 were brought down by pre-planted explosives. Real Americans will go for the truth wherever it leads them. Not hide there head in the sand like an ostrich.
Sometime I'm amazed at how people as stupid as you are ever got elected in the first place!
William Owens

And on that GOOD note... I'm going to bed.

Sibel Edmonds, Sibel Edmonds, Sibel Edmonds.
In case you missed my first post, is everyone informed about her?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...6/29/205339/549

www.justacitizen.com

http://cbs2chicago.com/wisconsinwire/WI--Instructor-Sept.1_k_n_0wi--/res...

I'll read it tomorrow itsaputon... I'm exhausted.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/9450576/detail.html

Good night and thank you for all you do Jon.

All of these "9/11 Truth Blockers" need to be held accountable for TREASON!!!

Accessories after the fact! Enough is enough!!!

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2006/05/daniel-hopsicker-is-government-...

There's a poll on the site Jon posted. Go to it.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/9450576/detail.html

We got your back Kevin.

Itsaputon:

What a crappy poll, not even an option of "I agree with him"

We should write the site to let them know how we feel.

The fact that they have to leave out the option of "I agree with him" says a lot.

You made a BIG mistake Mr. Nass... you &*^*&#% DUMB ASS...
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
This story is going to spread like wildfire...
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.29.06 - 11:40 pm | #

Yes! Let's try to make this backfire on them big time!

Milwaukee paper has it too. I emailed and let her know my opinion.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=445190

Let's hope this blows up into something big.

John Gold reminded me of another movie you youngsters should see, "Network" is a fantastic movie. You should see it if you can.

try to keep the responses level headed so they dont turn it back around on us!

List of emails to complain to.

'rep.nass@legis.state.wi.us'; 'steve.krieser@legis.state.wi.us'; 'mike.mikalsen@legis.state.wi.us'; 'chancellor@news.wisc.edu'; 'emraffer@wisc.edu'; 'sgatis@facstaff.wisc.edu'; 'rbickner@facstaff.wisc.edu'; 'gbuhnema@facstaff.wisc.edu'; 'chopra@wisc.edu'; 'drdavis@wisc.edu'; 'vdharwadker@facstaff.wisc.edu'; 'elder@ssc.wisc.edu'; 'cshallisey@wisc.edu'; 'mumemon@facstaff.wisc.edu'; 'emraffer@facstaff.wisc.edu'; 'vnrao@facstaff.wisc.edu'; 'uschamil@facstaff.wisc.edu'

Here is what I wrote:

State Representative Stephen Nash ought to be ashamed of himself for issuing a statement attacking Kevin Barrett. Representative NashÂ’s comments were baseless, ignorant, and insulting. Everyone should stand behind and support Kevin Barrett for exercising his Constitutionally guaranteed, natural right to freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and freedom of opinion.

Please support Kevin Barrett. Representative Nash ought to be ashamed of himself.

A couple of scenes from "Network" are here.

http://forums.newspeakdictionary.com/viewtopic.php?t=966

I'm too busy to read this whole thread. But I want to say that Kevin Barrett is one of the smartest, wisest, most aware people I know.

Jon Gold at 06.29.06 - 11:07 pm, concerning Senator Joseph McCarthy:

"Most-hated senator was right: Scholars: Joseph McCarthy's charges 'now accepted as fact,'" Jon Basil Utley, WorldNetDaily.com, February 8, 2000:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17401

"Joe McCarthy Was Right," Don Capron, Oswego Daily News, July 9, 2002:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020906225907/http://www.oswegodailynews.com...

http://www.spongobongo.com/em/em9820.htm

"Significance of Venona," Wikipedia, June 29, 2006:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Significance_of_Venona&oldid=6...

"VENONA project," Wikipedia, June 26, 2006:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=VENONA_project&oldid=60663191

http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/10368.php

Al plays interviews he collected at the "9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda" conference held in Los Angeles June 24, 25, 2006. Also included is coverage of the panel discussion covered by C-Span. Panelists included Dr. Bob Bowman, Dr. Steven Jones, Alex Jones, Dr. Jim Fetzer, and Dr. Webster Griffin Tarpley. also played "10 second freefall" by three shoes posse
1 hour 30 min.
Direct download:
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/aluhlooyah_911conference_062806.mp3

I left out some stuff, so look for part two!

Vote for Kevin

http://www.channel3000.com/news/...576/ detail.html

jj:

it's Nass

I was about to write Nass, but felt it was a waste of time. So I did this instead. It was a waste of time as well, but it felt good. Feel free to frame it and hang it on your wall:
http://www.freewebs.com/alexcarson/nass.jpg

If you liked the previous, you'll love this one.

http://ecard.veepers.com/service/RetrieveCard?id=3jaXPpSh2XgNTpd1DPZ02a

I am FED UP with lying, uninformed, pompous politicians!!!

Note: The previous link can only be played in Internet Explorer.

This is just like V for vendetta all these truth seekers hanging out on computers. Perhap some day we will all take our mask off? Any comments? Still preachin to the choir.
I got kicked off signs of the times forum, wingtv and now I am email blocked from Janice Matthews of 911 truth. Thought she was ok but now I'm not so sure, glad I sent them some money though.

I am an alumnus of UW-Madison and am going to be sending some mails and making some phone calls to some people, who know people, who know people, etc.

Hopefully we can put some pressure on those who are trying to undermine academic inquiry, and the more publicity this gets, the better.

Okay. Now I am really pissed and not giving up on this fight to keep on and keep on and keep on until everyone has it drilled into their heads about the REAL criminals behind 9/11.

The treatment of Kevin Barrett is outrageous.

And on top of it all, we've now got this new fake-ass audio tape of Osama Bin Laden.

Come hell or high water, I suspect this country is headed toward a revolution.

This daily barrage of insults and attacks on freedom in America is going too far. And all the lying by these political freaks in office who talk about how much they love Jesus, want to protect the sanctity of marriage, and protect us from the terrorists who hate us for our freedom is goddamn enough!

Like some people who commented here yesterday, I realize my anger is NOT going away but is being fueled more everyday. I suspect I am going to have to channel it into action and not give up. I have really had it.

I'll bet you don't talk like that when they put a black hood over your head and shackles on your hands, and put you in a fema camp. There is no way we can go up against the us military. Massive nonviolent protest is the only way to go. We gotta pull a Gandi on em.
I doubt if there will ever be a organized effort to do so. The anti war people and Amy Goodman are for war and complicite to ignore the 911 truth. Nothin but mouth from Alex JOnes ect.

Keep it up guys. Maybe it will be one of those local stories that blossoms into a national news story on CNN, etc.

In a way, I can't help but think the perpetrators are trying desperately to cling to power.

Yesterday there was the SCOTUS decision, which opens a can of worms. Then the Bin Laden tape, which was known before it was even released. The psy-op continues.

I think people need to organize, decide what their true priorities are (economic security, freedom, etc) and band together in protest, such as the one featured on this blog. Non violent resistance and a complete administrative block in government would start to get the message across.

At the same time, the MSM charade needs to be unraveled, or at least circumvented. Although that is already happening to some extent, over time I think it will simply increase.

The younger generation is clued in, I think, to this non-sense. The pendulum will swing back the other way, and with the momentum it has, it could go very far. People who have spent time trying to learn the truth and form an opinion are not going to simply go away unless the US government starts practicing some form of domestic genocide (would some of us really put it past them at this point?).

So the questions about revolution are certainly worth pondering, but I think the priority of "truthers" as it were should be to keep at all costs the established framework of the constitution, by demanding justice and speaking truth to power.

Once the pendulum swings and the majorities are heard, admendments can be passed so that this type of power grab never happens again.

On a lot of the blogs such as C&L, I've noticed an increase in trolling recently. My hunch is that these people have some sort of vested interest in posting their vitriol.

I had one tell me yesterday that Bush and Rove were not "concerned with the likes of" me. They read the blogs "for a good laugh."

They are scared. We have them beat, it is just a matter of time.

Doug,Please list the heavy hitters who are Republican in movement, I know there are some but a list would be nice to have, if you can?

How about Paul Craig Roberts, the father of Reaganomics? How about Rep. Ron Paul of Texas?

Jon, you do understand its harder for Senators to speak and act as openly as congressman right? look at his actions, he risked his job to vote against the Patriot Act.

Chris... I'm not saying what he does is bad, I'm saying that he doesn't seem to push hard enough given his position sometimes. Especially when he's on the media.

the extra mile like being the only Senator to vote against one of the most disturbing pieces of legislation in american history? christ, theres no pleasing some people....

If anybody cares, the Ingraham/Fetzer interview is coming up in a few minutes... (10:30am ET)here's where you can find your local station that is infected by, er, I mean, carries the show:
http://www.lauraingraham.com/stationfinder;jsessionid=18D7365D20E5F8B3B1...

.and they just said "call now":
800.876.4123

"Jon, you do understand its harder for Senators to speak and act as openly as congressman right?"

I thought everyone had the Freedom Of Speech.

Jon, he has to work within the system(and hes done a better job of that than most) more than a guy like Conyers. when Feingold says something controversial, its picked apart by the national media instantly. when Conyers does the same, hes made fun of on some fringe rightwing mags and blogs.

My cell phone is down or I'd call the Ingraham show now:

800.876.4123

"Jon, you do understand its harder for Senators to speak and act as openly as congressman right?"

I thought everyone had the Freedom Of Speech.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.30.06 - 10:25 am | #
missing my point on purpose? or did that really go over your head?

Yes, Russ Feingold is the "cream of the crop" compared to the MAJORITY of Washington D.C., but he isn't "creamy" enough for me.

Feingold was one of 23 US senators to vote against H.J. Res. 114, which authorized President George W. Bush to use force against Iraq.[35]

On August 17, 2005, he became the first senator to call for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and urge that a timetable for that withdrawal be set. He called other Democrats "timid" for refusing to take action sooner, and suggested December 31, 2006 as the date for total withdrawal of troops. On the subject of Bush's assertion that a deadline would be helpful to Iraqi insurgents, Feingold said, "I think he's wrong. I think not talking about endgames is playing into our enemies' hand."

She's already setting it up as "nutty".

You like Russ? I don't. He follows the Democratic line it seems.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.30.06 - 10:08 am | #
cream of the crop but you dont like him? ok.

She's talking about Keven Barret !

"missing my point on purpose? or did that really go over your head?"

Your point was that Senators are restricted "to speak and act as openly as congressman", and I'm saying they have the Freedom Of Speech. To my knowledge, no branch of Government is supposed to be above any other?

no, you missed my point obviously. Conyers has more leeway being a congressman and not a Senator, your playing semantics now.

"cream of the crop but you dont like him? ok."

You can say that someone is the "Cream Of The Crop", and not like them.

Look at Dionne Sanders. He was the best. He was still an asshole.

Chris--

Points well taken.

I'd be the first to admit that my anger and idealism prevent me from thinking in "inside-the-Beltway" terms. :)

It will be interesting to see what happens, but sadly, too many Dems don't even think there's a problem with the voting machines, so fraud could keep them in the minority in November and make all this a moot point anyway.

Do you remember when Kevin Barrett said during Dr. Griffin's C-SPAN appearance that Russ Feingold might be someone to take on the 9/11 cause? Where is he?

He was one of only 5 Senators to oppose the Telecommunications Act of 1996 with Leahy, Wellstone, Simon, and McCain.

Jon Gold:

That was a good .pdf you made the other day.

***

Thanks! We both are "information slots", eh? ;-)

Laura Ingraham does a great job of spreading lies and half-truths. I wouldn't be surprised if she were appointed as Propaganda Minister for the Bush Dictatorship.

She just refered to her upcoming interview with Fetzer as a "face-off".

Please record this because I would like to hear it later.

She's talking about Keven Barret !
Alex | 06.30.06 - 10:27 am | #

^ Dude, can you do some commentary on how FetzerÂ’s doing, thanks man? Also is anyone recording this?

Do you remember when Kevin Barrett said during Dr. Griffin's C-SPAN appearance that Russ Feingold might be someone to take on the 9/11 cause? Where is he?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.30.06 - 10:32 am | #
and why did Barrett say that? because he sees what you cant see about Feingold.sure, i wish Feingold would approach the issue of 9/11, but for you to sit there and say hes a typical democrat is bullshit. follows the democratic line? the democrats are usually pretty pissed at him for "going too far".

Laura Ingraham does a great job of spreading lies and half-truths. I wouldn't be surprised if she were appointed as Propaganda Minister for the Bush Dictatorship.

She just refered to her upcoming interview with Fetzer as a "face-off".
Alex | 06.30.06 - 10:35 am | #

LOL, I hope Fetzer stays cool.

Dude Dem: Yes... I'll do a blow by blow report (hopefully most the blows will be scored by Fetzer).

not me, i hope Fetzer rails on the bitch. have you heard her before? she is SURE to be disrespctful as hell.

Someone please record this, I can't... my recorder is malfunctioning.

anybody know how I can pick the laura ingram show up over the internet?

Ingraham's just another Aryan bimbo in a short skirt getting paid to feed red meat to the knuckle-dragging Bush Cult.

Now they just played a clip by a 911 truth protester someone who sounds like an idiot.

Dude Dem: Yes... I'll do a blow by blow report (hopefully most the blows will be scored by Fetzer).
Alex | 06.30.06 - 10:39 am | #

Wicked man thanks!!

Lovebunny: you have to be a member of the Ingraham site.

timbermonkey: well stated.

Fetzers is sounding very measured and scholarly so far...

Electronic Mail Addresses for Wisconsin State Representatives and Staff

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/asmmail.asp#31

"and why did Barrett say that? because he sees what you cant see about Feingold.sure, i wish Feingold would approach the issue of 9/11, but for you to sit there and say hes a typical democrat is bullshit. follows the democratic line? the democrats are usually pretty pissed at him for "going too far"."

Ok. He's not the "typical" Democrat, and doesn't follow the "Democratic Line", but he does appear weak on media appearances. At least the ones I've seen him on.

You win Chris. I was wrong, and you were right. Happy?

speaking of web browsers, what do you guys think of firefox? I've never tried it, but heard alot of talk. Thinking about switching.

off topic. what a horrible mess:

Five U.S. Army soldiers are being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman, then killing her and three members of her family in Iraq, a U.S. military official told The Associated Press on Friday.

The soldiers also allegedly burned the body of the woman they are accused of assaulting in the March incident, the official said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of coalition troops in Baghdad, had ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged killing of a family of four in Mahmoudiyah, south of Baghdad, the U.S. command said. It did not elaborate.

The case represents the latest allegations against U.S. soldiers stemming from the deaths of Iraqis. At least 14 U.S. troops have been convicted.

The United States also is investigating allegations that two dozen unarmed Iraqi civilians were killed by U.S. Marines in the western town of Haditha on Nov. 19 in a revenge attack after one of their own died in a roadside bombing.

"The entire investigation will encompass everything that could have happened that evening. We're not releasing any specifics of an ongoing investigation," said military spokesman Maj. Todd Breasseale.

"There is no indication what led soldiers to this home. The investigation just cracked open. We're just beginning to dig into the details."

However, a U.S. official close to the investigation said at least one of the soldiers, all assigned to the 502nd Infantry Regiment, has admitted his role and has been arrested. Two soldiers from the same regiment were slain this month when they were kidnapped at a checkpoint near Youssifiyah.

The official said the accused soldiers were from the same platoon as the two slain soldiers, whose bodies were mutilated. He said the mutilation of the slain soldiers stirred feelings of guilt and led at least one of them to reveal the rape-slaying on June 22.

At least four other soldiers have had their weapons taken away and are confined to Forward Operating Base Mahmoudiyah south of Baghdad.

The official said the killings appear to be unrelated to the kidnappings. He said those involved were all below the rank of sergeant. Senior officers were aware of the family's death but believed it was due to sectarian violence, common in the religiously mixed town, he said.

The killings appeared to have been a "crime of opportunity," the official said. The soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols.

Mikejr.
Can we please stop with the name calling? We are better than they are. Let's spend more time blowing holes in their arguments and point out specific interview dialogue that went our way. Name calling takes some of the wind out of our sails.

Mike Jr.--

My wife's more computer-savvy than me, and she prefers Firefox.

Repost of link to diary about Sibel Edmonds on dailykos. Sibel Edmonds story needs to be repeated as often as possible.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/29/205339/549

Anyone have mp3 link to Laura show with fetzer?

Off topic...

Does anyone have any thoughts on Peter Lance (COVER UP: WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS STILL HIDING ABOUT THE WAR ON TERROR) and Alex Jones (prisonplanet.com)? They both seem to have strongly opposing views on 9/11.

CIA Confirms Authenticity of Osama Bin Laden Statement
http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=136&newsid=91354&ch=0

"Washington. The CIA final expertise shows that the broadcasted tape of Osama Bin LadenÂ’s statement, Al Qaeda's leader, was authentic, AFP announced citing a CIA source."

...there's laughter behind closed doors in Langley.

Is anybody listening to Fetzer on the Laura Ingraham show? Is anybody going to be able to record it so that we can all hear it afterwards?

Mikejr.
Can we please stop with the name calling? We are better than they are. Let's spend more time blowing holes in their arguments and point out specific interview dialogue that went our way. Name calling takes some of the wind out of our sails.
Itsaputon | 06.30.06 - 11:56 am
______________________________-

Every single day I deal with dumb, prejudice, ignorant people who can't see past the nose on their face.

Every single day I talk with people about 9-11 (well damn near every day) and destroy their arguments with out name calling.

When I come here I can voice my opinion on who every I want. I feels good!:)

Nobody said this shit was going to be easy. It should be easy though, we have the truth on our side. But when you look at history, you can see how the governments of the world have used fear to get WHAT EVER they want. And people will believe what ever that government tells them is best.

Last night me and my girlfriend where watching the history chanel. They was talking about marijuana, and how it became illegal. In the beginning it was legal, shit grew everywhere. But then in the early 1900's the government started with it's propaganda, saying weed can make you crazy and kill people. Of course that was proven wrong.

But what's the biggest knock on weed today? That it's a "gateway" drug. They want you to believe that if you smoke weed, one day you'll end sucking dick for crack.

*one day you'll end up ^

Some Lord Acton quotes:

"There are two things which cannot be attacked in front: ignorance and narrow-mindedness. They can only be shaken by the simple development of the contrary qualities. They will not bear discussion."

"It is bad to be oppressed by a minority, but it is worse to be oppressed by a majority. For there is a reserve of latent power in the masses which, if it is called into play, the minority can seldom resist. But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason."
Lord Acton

Here's a good video to watch, if you ain't seen it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031&q=jfk2

Regarding the Prison Planet story someone posted on here

Proof That 'Flight 77' Eyewitness Report Skewed
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/300606flight77.htm

implying that what a Pentagon witness said was skewed by the media . . . yes, but his essential position remains the same, that a large commercial jetliner hit the building, 'at least as large as a 727 or larger.' The excerpts posted on here and the title of the story make it seem like he took back his whole testimony. He did not. Here are key excerpts:

--Regarding the speculation that something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and alternate explanations behind the event, Cissell is not certain that the plane was as large as a 757, but at least as large as a 727.

"As far as the size of the plane, it happened very quickly. What I can say is that it was a passenger plane at least as big as a 727 maybe bigger. From the time I heard it over my left shoulder and turned to see it I had one thought, 'he's off course'; I was used to seeing planes fly along the Potomac on the other side of the Pentagon to land at national airport just a mile or two away. My next thought wasn't a thought, it was the realization of what was happening and that happened moments or even a moment before the plane struck."

and . . .

--Cissell makes it clear that speculation that the object was a missile or that there was no plane at all is off base. [Loose Change's position!]

"With regards to conspiracies in general, I think the conspiracy people need to be focusing on is the one where Bush and his administration leveraged the tragedy of 911 to enter a war for money and oil that cost the lives of who knows how many civilians, a couple thousand soldiers and undid 30 years of progress in a region that was slowly healing itself."

_____-

I really hate it when websites make sensationalist headlines that distort the story. He's angry about a detail, not saying that a plane didn't hit the building. He explicitly says a passenger plane, not a military drone or Sky Warrior or anything else.

One more quote from Lord Acton.

"Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity."

I wouldn't fuck Laura Ingraham with Ann Coulter's dick.

Sorry but I had to say it.

if Kevin Barrett goes to court over his possible dismissal I hope he can find a good lawyer who believes what we all already know. Could be the trial of the century. Perhaps Dr. Jones can be a witness.

GO KEVIN GO!!!!!

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr062906.htm

Jon, I caught Ron Paul on C-span saying those words. Wow! It really got to me.

thanks Jon, that touched base on alot of issues.

One of the greatest speeches of our time.

Speaking of so-called "gateway drugs"^, the only gateway I see is that the 9/11 atrocities were the NeoCons' gateway to murder & pillage the rest of the world!

Jon, I caught Ron Paul on C-span saying those words. Wow! It really got to me.
Itsaputon | 06.30.06 - 1:01 pm
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Is there some way we can get the video?

>the building. He explicitly says a >passenger plane, not a military drone >or Sky Warrior or anything else.
>researcher | 06.30.06 - 12:46 pm |

False conclusion. A Sky Warrior is huge. And when it comes to 9/11, with billions of dollars of funding to carry it out, a paint job is no problem.

No way I would believe anyone saying it was a B-757 @ 530 mph that buzzed them & blasted through the Pentagon! It was a drone or a missile!

Here's a Sky warrior from below. Remember, it was still above all the witnesses' heads:
http://usn-ac-japan.hp.infoseek.co.jp/photos/a3/142673.jpg

And they couldn't risk a drone-757 where it might become obvious that no passengers are in the wreckage.

"And they couldn't risk a drone-757 where it might become obvious that no passengers are in the wreckage."

Right! For example, you couldn't have 236 airplane seats found, yet not 1 body part found. If the entire plane just disappears, as was the case, then it not such an anomaly that no bodies were found; there is no evidence left. (BTW, their claim that they IDed 99% of the passengers was total b.s., and act of desperation to make it seem more like AA77 struck.)

Yeah, they used DNA to confirm that 63 of 64 passengers were indeed killed at the Pentagon--after they exploded & smashed through concrete walls @ 530 mph: http://911review.org/images/pentagon/01749vp_2.jpg

Those peoples' molecules would have vanished just like the supposed Boeing did!!!

How come whenever I post something re: the Pentagon on this Board, my web browser stalls out for 10-15 seconds?

wow it seems the Bible crowd is really waking up to the truth of 9/11 fast, see these church signs,
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showpost.php?p=288410&postcount=412

;)

>Those peoples' molecules would have >vanished just like the supposed >Boeing did!!!
>Anonymous | 06.30.06 - 2:04 pm | #

The key question would be, how and when exactly were the remains transferred to the DNA lab. But this is top secret, to save us from the gruesome details...

And the same with the other 3 planes: nothing but a few pieces left, but e.g. Atta's paper passport survived! AND was found by the CIA 'luckily' in the NYC haystack that was covered all over with dust and sheets of paper.

a missile definitely hit the pentagon--the "vapor trail" is proof of that, as well as the "wormhole". a plane would not leave a vapor trail at ground level, but a missile would. until i see surveillance video showing a plane i will hold of judgement on whether or not a global hawk (small, quiet, and made in large part of carbon fiber which would burn up)might have also been involved. but a HUGE plane flying 400 miles an hour? VERY VERY unlikely--no, make that impossible. what we know then is that flight 77 was a hoax. No need to elaborate much further since it's obvious they've been lying.

Yes, if any remains were indeed transferred anywhere. I'm not sure how many of the passengers were real people, maybe just Barbara Olson & some of those said to be on UA93. Operation Northwoods called for agents to board passenger planes under the guise they were college students. Said planes were to land, & drones would then be exploded (this was 40 years ago, image how much better the plans could be today.)

I know, a contrail of some sort a few feet above the ground, a cockpit windshield located near the middle of the craft! It looked very much like a SkyWarrior.

Goldie - are those church photos for real? I am surprised that churches are getting into this with their signs. Do you know where the churches are?

Thanks Goldie for the pictures. I hope they are legit.

Silevrstein: Hello?
Fire Dept. Cmdr: Hello Mr Silverstein?
LS: Yes, speaking, what is it? Who's this?
FDC: This is [name here], commander of the fire department. Look, those little fires might be too much for us to contain, and I just thought I'd check with you to see what you thought.
LS: You know, we've had such terrible loss of life--maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.
FDC: Pull the building? But, we can't set that up while those little fires are raging, besides we'd need to study the plans and by the time we figure it out...
LS: No you working class nimrod, pull the contingent of firefighters out.
FDC: Oh is that what you meant? Um, OK, I see. And just let it burn?
LS: Well, there's been such terrible loss of life...
FDC: Yes I see what you mean. OK, I'm going to make an executive decision here. We will pull it.
LS: Pull the building?
FDC: No no, pull the contingent of firefighters out.
LS: OK. Good call. Let's pull it then.
FDC: OK, bye.
LS: Bye.
FDC: [to the contingent of firefighters] ok boys, pull out!
contingent of FF:[in unison] Phew, I didn't think we'd be able to contain those little fires... good call, Mr. S!
FDC: No, no, *I* made the decision to pull you out. [unspecified period of time passes, then building collapses while LS, FDC, COFF, and several cameras watch]
COFF: [in unison] whoa! that coulda been us in there!
FDC: Good thing I made the decision to pull, eh?
LS: Hello, ACME insurance? You're not gonna believe this, but...

Supposedly, Laura Ingraham has the show up to listen to here...

http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/charts/streamingAudioMaster.jsp?disp...

Can someone grab it? It's not working for me.

we have 2 possibilities
1. planted witnesses

There were clearly some of these. Like the guy who said it was definitely an american airlines jet "no doubt about it." I'd believe witnesses more if they were in a court under oath--call me a stickler.

we have 2 possibilities
1. planted witnesses

There were clearly some of these. Like the guy who said it was definitely an american airlines jet "no doubt about it." I'd believe witnesses more if they were in a court under oath--call me a stickler.
real truther | Homepage | 06.30.06 - 4:07 pm | #
and remember that some of the witnesses worked for the Pentagon and the military. im not saying they were all "in on it", but you need to take any witness statements from people affiliated with the military ID complex with a grain of salt.

The clip of 9/11 Citizen's Commission featuring Bob McIlvaine - is that available in a downloadable format?

http://www.911busters.com/video/MOV/CC2_Commissioners_Opening_Words.mov

Here's the WMV...

http://www.911busters.com/video/WMV/CC2_Commissioners_Opening_Words.wmv

Right on Chris. In fact, Painful Deceptions has lots of footage from the Pentagon, including the line of executive looking people combing the lawn for pieces of something... very odd. also the shill claiming no doubt about it--who is pretty obviously lying from his body language... (averting eye contact, etc.)

>witnesses more if they were in a >court under oath--call me a stickler.
>real truther | Homepage | 06.30.06 - >4:07 pm | #

Essentially, the 9/11 cover-up is a product of tons of individual lies by planted/corrupt witnesses: like the hijacker-passports found by the FBI, like all the cell-phone calls, like the ongoing "authentication" of obvious fake tapes.
Nowhere does a lie become the truth quicker and cheaper than in a courthouse, when a judge believes a lying witness. The cell-phone calls are the "mother of all lies" - they framed the whole Muslim world for being evil 'by design'.

ST911 has a new link I haven't seen before, to a bunch of PowerPoint presentations.

Professor Wood's PPT from her June 7 lecture is there too:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/PPT_Presentations.html

http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/ ...nNwP3BpZD0yNzAx

That link played for me but unfortunately it is only a portion of the interview - the first 4 minutes.

I would like to hear the rest.
Regarding the first four minutes, here are some blow by blow notes.

6/30/2006 – Jim Fetzer with Laura Ingraham
First 4 min 7 sec.
http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/charts/streamingAudioMaster.jsp?disp...

F: opens: WeÂ’ve got a great story. Talks about how gov't story has captivating elements similar to a movie.
Question that concerns us whether or not itÂ’s true.
Recaps quick version of govÂ’t version, explains it is a conspiracy theory.
These guys outfoxed the most sophisticated military in the world.
Names appeared on flight manifests
No evidence that they were actually on the planes
Then without prompting, Fetzer goes right to cell phone calls – study on 9/11 – says cell phones would have been impossible.

I believe that what Fetzer says is FALSE – because the study shows that the cell phone calls would have been improbable. Someone here correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Ingraham – for your theory you would have had to have had a real conspiracy of lots of people

F: (avoids making any conspiracy theories of his own) We’re critics of the government’s theory – we’re finding all these little threads that link the official story to the world, passenger manifests, autopsy reports, Passenger manifests, autopsy reports.

I: Brings up controlled demolition –
Then the clip available is over.

Now my comments:
Critique of 1st 4 minutes:
Fetzer's Emotions and self-restraint – B+
Quality of facts presented by Fetzer in opening 4 minutes: C

I think he instead could have started with much more powerful evidence, such as:
Conflicts of interest of 9/11 Commission
Building 7
Signs of controlled demolition
Norad stand down

I think he is making a mistake to say the cell phone calls would be impossible, they would actually be improbable, but not impossible. And this is not by any means our strongest evidence that the official story is wrong.

I will be eager to hear the rest of the interview.

I admire Jim Fetzer for his dedication and energy and commitment. I would like to see him get his talking points more honed and give the best evidence only, and the best of the best right away.

I would welcome hearing about other listener's perceptions of Fetzer's performance.

Did Fetzer mention Building 7? I listened to the Laura Ingraham clip from her website that Gold posted, but it cuts off right when they start talking about CD at the WTC. I wonder why? LOL.

http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/charts/streamingAudioMaster.jsp?disp...

I think he is making a mistake to say the cell phone calls would be impossible, they would actually be improbable, but not impossible. And this is not by any means our strongest evidence that the official story is wrong.

I agree with this. If the interviewer asks about cell phone calls or similar easily debatable material, Fetzer needs to explain that there's evidence that's solid; and whether the cell phone calls were real or not are not needed to prove government involvement.

Of course the interviewers like the fake cell phone call theory because then they can ask: "So what you're saying is that all those calls were fake? So where are the people?"

Also, Fetzer again claimed that the experiments from Dewdney (unless he's talking about another experiment that I'm not aware of) showed that cell calls didn't work above 2,ooo ft., but Dewdney's study actually said that cell calls above 8,ooo ft would be improbable.

I corrected Fetzer about this on the Alan Colmes thread, where he was there posting, but he either didn't see my correction, or ignored it. If I'm wrong about the altitudes, someone please correct me, but I'm almost positive it's 8,ooo ft..

Why gild the lily? I have documented proof that at least two of the cell calls were made above 30,000 ft..

And in this case, the Fetzer's interviewer did not even bring up the issue of cell calls. Fetzer just spontaneously opened that topic himself, very early in the interview, without any prompting.

I mean "alleged" cell calls

Lecturer Backed On Talk About 9/11

A.K. Dewdney's cellphone experiments
http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/cell-phones.htm

Direct Link to interview...

http://fetch.noxsolutions.com/laura/mp3/063006_scholars.mp3

Cheers

Thanks a007.

Is that all of it?

seems like it... :(

Maybe you have to pay to hear it all ???

Will check st911.org later

That womens voice does my head in...

aaahhhhhhhhhh the pain

Show me the money.

I think that's great that people supported Kevin. I hope everyone wrote their letters...

IMO, these are the stongest points for interviews:

1. structural engineers agree that the WTC collapse mimicked controlled demolition.

2. NIST truncated their investigation at collapse initiation, and did NOT explain how fire and impact damage caused all those characteristics of controlled demolition.

3. NIST calls their verison "probable" and is not conclusive.

4. FEMA admitted that their own WTC 7 fire hypothesis is very unlikely

5. NIST officially refused to participate in the National 9/11 Debate

6. Structural engineers are not challenging Jones arguments, instead they throw cheap ad hominem attacks

AND.....

7. The fact that the mainstream media did NOT report the new Zogby poll

I believe all those are important points!

jj111: I agree that Dr. Fetzer did not open with the strongest argument. On the other hand, were it an actual discussion instead of an ambush, he would have had the opportunity to continue with more substantial points. Ingraham is an absolute disgrace as an "interviewer".

Proof cellphone calls were allegedly made at normal flight altitudes above 30,000 ft. on 9.11

From the 9/11 cOmmission's own report:
__________

"the first 46 minutes of Flight 93’s cross-country trip proceeded routinely. Radio communications from the plane were normal. Heading, speed, and altitude ran according to plan. At 9:24, Ballinger’s warning to United 93 was received in the cockpit. Within two minutes, at 9:26, the pilot, Jason Dahl, responded with a note of puzzlement: “Ed, confirm latest mssg plz—Jason.”70 The hijackers attacked at 9:28. While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet. Eleven seconds into the descent, the FAA’s air traffic control center in Cleveland received the first of two radio transmissions from the aircraft...."

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/08-23-04/discussion.cgi.42.html
__________

The above is corroborated in this MSNBC article about when the plane was hijacked according to the cOmmission's own report:

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United 93 took off from Newark at 8:42. It was more than 40 minutes late. At 9:28, United 93 acknowledged a transmission from the controller. This was the last normal contact the FAA had with United 93.

Less than a minute later, the Cleveland controller and the pilots of aircraft in the vicinity heard “a radio transmission of unintelligible sounds of possible screaming or a struggle from an unknown origin …”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233007/
__________

And more corroboration here:

__________
9/11 commission staff statement No. 17
The text as submitted to the National Commission
on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

June 17, 2004

Between 9:34 and 9:38, the controller observed United 93 climbing to 40,700 feet and immediately moved several aircraft out of its way. The controller continued to try to contact United 93, and asked whether the pilot could confirm that he had been hijacked. There was no response.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233007/
__________

And now here's proof of when at least two of the alleged cellphone calls were reportedley made.

Here:

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Flight 93: Forty lives, one destiny

Sunday, October 28, 2001

...She recalls it was around 6:20 a.m. -- 9:20 Eastern time.

It was Tom.

"Are you all right?" she asked.

"No. I'm on United Flight 93 from Newark to San Francisco. The plane has been hijacked. We are in the air. They've already knifed a guy. There is a bomb on board. Call the FBI."

Deena Burnett dialed 911...

...Around 9:30, Deena Burnett's phone rang again. It was Tom.

"He didn't sound frightened, but he was speaking faster than he normally would," she said. He told her the hijackers were in the cockpit.

"I told him a lot of planes had been hijacked, that they don't know how many," she said.

"You've got to be kidding," he replied.

"No," she said.

Were they commercial planes, airliners, he asked her. She didn't know.

"OK," he said, "I've got to go." He hung up.

Deena looked at the television. The Pentagon suddenly appeared, a hole torn into its side by an oncoming airplane. She wondered if it was her husband's flight. Deena Burnett started crying...

Link to article:
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp
__________

And here:
(according to cooperativeresearch.org's 9/11 Timeline)

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(9:27 a.m.): Flight 93 Passenger Tom Burnett Calls Wife, Mentions Bomb, Knife, and Gun

Tom Burnett calls his wife, Deena, using a cell phone and says, “I'm on United Flight 93 from Newark to San Francisco. The plane has been hijacked. We are in the air. they've already knifed a guy. There is a bomb on board. Call the FBI.” Deena connects to emergency 9-1-1. [ABC News, 9/12/01; Longman, 2002, pp 107; MSNBC, 7/30/02; Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 10/28/01 (B); Toronto Sun, 9/16/01] Deena wonders if the call might have been before the cockpit was taken over, because he spoke quickly and quietly as if he was being watched. He also had a headset like phone operators use, so he could have made the call unnoticed. Note that original versions of this conversation appear to have been censored. The most recent account has the phone call ending with, “We are in the air. The plane has been hijacked. They already knifed a guy. One of them has a gun. they're saying there is a bomb onboard. Please call the authorities.” [Longman, 2002, pp 107] The major difference from earlier accounts, is the mention of a gun. The call wasn't recorded, but Deena's call to 9-1-1 immediately afterwards was, and on that call she states, “They just knifed a passenger and there are guns on the plane.” [Longman, 2002, pp 108] Deena Burnett later says of her husband: “He told me one of the hijackers had a gun. He wouldn't have made it up. Tom grew up around guns. He was an avid hunter and we have guns in our home. If he said there was a gun on board, there was.” [Times of London, 8/11/02 (B)] This is the first of over 30 phone calls by passengers inside the plane. [MSNBC, 7/30/02] Passengers are told what happened at the WTC in least five of the phone calls. Five calls show an intent to revolt against the hijackers. [San Francisco Chronicle, 7/23/04]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti...

So when someone says, "How do you know the cell calls were made at normal alitudes?" you'll now know exactly what to tell them, "The proof is in the 9/11 cOmmission's own report!"

CB: I would put at the top of your list that, according to at least one BBC news report, some of the claimed "hijackers" are still alive (I don't have the exact names at hand).
Also: no steel structure building has ever collapsed due to fire in history, before or after 9/11.

The more I think of it, the more I realize that starting out with the cell phone calls in the Ingraham interview was a weak salvo. Sorry Dr. Fetzer, I know it's easy for one to be an armchair quarterback... but I agree that you need to compile specific talking points, listed in order of substantiality and impact.

I thought everyone had the Freedom Of Speech.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.30.06 - 10:25 am | #

Your kidding right? I mean look what just happened to Kevin.Freedom of speech to me means you wont be persecuted for what you say.

HOW THE HELL did the hijackers get guns on board flight 11 and flight 93??? The only person who woulda had a gun was the elite mossad specialist on flight 11. And what about this Time.com article thats titled "Was 9/11 An Inside Job?"
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175953,00.html

Or this MSNBC article that says they had guns:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080840/

Oh and my bad. I've gotten confirmation that privately Mcgovern "knows whats going on" in regards to 9/11...but, you can imagine how coming out and saying what's up would be compromising. Thats whats keeping a lot of people back.

And yeah, Esai Morales was at the 9/11 conference briefly.

Naess comments about 'voodoo' and'garbage', show the hysterical state Barrett has put him in. So WE neednt take him seriuously. The problem is this chicken little wants to foment hysteria in other chickens. Xymphora has posted recently on such republican morons and useful idiots, fooled by the Neocons.

Naess is engaging in rank censorship, while preaching freedom of speech... thats typical of the schizoid state of the modern american conservative.

CB: I would put at the top of your list that, according to at least one BBC news report, some of the claimed "hijackers" are still alive (I don't have the exact names at hand).
Also: no steel structure building has ever collapsed due to fire in history, before or after 9/11.

Alex: I must disagree with you on that. Many people say the hijackers could have stolen those people's identities. Also the buildings were hit by airplanes and debris... people use that to irrationally claim that the government's story is valid.

What the hell's going on with Jones' results already? Where are they??

Perhaps someone should have the Republican from Wisconsin debate Colonel Ray.

"Your kidding right? I mean look what just happened to Kevin.Freedom of speech to me means you wont be persecuted for what you say."

I know it doesn't really exist, but I was making the point that we're told it exists, even though it doesn't.

Ah.

Suppose someone proved that the cell phone calls were all faked--who would you prosecute for faking them? Now suppose someone proved the calls were real--would that explain why Silverstein had his towers demolished? Anyone else see why cell phone calls are a minor and pretty useless avenue of discussion? With all due rspect to Profs. Fetzer and Jones, they are not by any means the sine qua non of the 9-11 truth movement, in fact we should encourage others with similar or greater stature to follow their lead, lest all our eggs be in one basket. We cannot afford for this movement to be identified with specific individuals be they Jim Fetzer, Alex Jones, Eric Hufschmid, Steven Jones, Charlie Sheen, or anyone else. While we should support them and applaud their courage and efforts, I'm sure they would agree that advancing the ovement is more important than making sure they are its leaders. What we need is broad consensus among large numbers of people who will be sheer strength of numbers see this through to the end. Think of everyone involved as an apostle in the spread of christianity (just to make a point) Christianity took over much of the world because before Catholicism set in, people were promoting the spirit of it, not a particular leadership structure.