Barrie Zwicker on "Agents of the State"
HAPPY CANADA DAY!
In honor of Canada Day, let's consider Canadian Barrie Zwicker's observations about 9/11 COINTELPRO presented at the Chicago 9/11: Revealing the Truth conference. Zwicker was one of the first media professionals out of the gate with pertinent, resounding questions about the events of 9/11. He broadcast his point of view on Cable television in Canada, and you can purchase a DVD which covers much of this information (and additional info) here.
At the conference, Zwicker gave a presentation about infiltration of the 9/11 skeptic community. Zwicker has had several run-ins with covert agents in Canada, and I think we can take his observations to heart. He cites this Globe and Mail article to identify a potential pool of spy recruits; "...the average incidence of psychopathy in North America is 1% of the population. That would mean there are about 300,000 psychopaths in Canada - and close to 3000 reading this very newspaper today. Perhaps you know one. Or are one..." - The Psychopath in the Corner Office.
Zwicker asks, "Would those kinds of people a) be attracted to spy work, and b) would the spy agencies want to enlist such people? Well, I think the answers are YES and YES, and then if they're not sufficiently amoral... they'll be trained in further amorality..."
He then cites this article in the April, 2006 Atlantic Monthly called "Double Blind" (on the cover the headline is "The Infiltrator") which details how a successful operation is done, using the British infiltration of the IRA as an example. For one thing, the agent is physically indistinguishable from his target audience, Zwicker comments, "We shouldn't be secretly on the lookout for 'suspicious looking people'... because, they're not gonna be suspicious looking! ... Agents, will do anything to establish their credibility, up to and including cold-blooded murder. So, in our movement, they would tell any lie ... in other words, anyone of you could be an agent. I don't mean that in any mean-hearted way... I just mean it literally, and on the face of it ... the British at the highest level were accomplishing what they wanted, which is always, "Divide and Conquer"... 4 out of 5 dictators agree! Divide and conquer works! ... you guys who are agents in this room, you know... that you don't know, which other people in this room are agents. I know you don't know. And it's better that you don't know because if you met one of the other agents and something went wrong, and you spilled the beans, then there's a lot of damage done... it's all 'need to know' all the way up."
"...you're dealing with extremely sophisticated, widespread, psychopathic, agentry..." but he goes on, "...we must not live in fear of anything... including our own demise. Once you're afraid, then they've got you."
"We should always have mutual respect among ourselves when we're discussing anything... because then it's not so easy for someone to sow discord in our midst. We should never engage... in name-calling... there's a certain person who says, 'Anyone who says that a Boeing 757 did not hit the Pentagon is a 'hoaxter'.' ... the more of us who do not call names the more the name-callers will stand out like sore thumbs."
Amen, and pass the Maple Syrup.
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You can hear the birds chirping...
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Jon why do you waste your
Jon why do you waste your time on sites like that? And isn't a waste of other 9/11 people's times to be checking out sites like that?
"Jon why do you waste your
"Jon why do you waste your time on sites like that? And isn't a waste of other 9/11 people's times to be checking out sites like that?"
I was bored. And yes, it's a waste of time, and here's why...
IT IS NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. IT IS THE GOVERNMENT'S!!!
Great talk by Barrie...
Great talk by Barrie...
Anon (pertinent
Anon (pertinent carry-over):
"Cunning shills".... No, I do not get 'paid' for this. I don't think you can 'pay' this many people to 'argue the other side' about anything. Even 9.11. Those who do, are likely an 'in on it gang' with a finite resource, or 'true believer' (the 'believers' are the more troubling ones, to me. A near limitless resource). My own mother says she loves me, but she's still concerned that I've been reading too much silly stuff. (ARRRGH... still love ya, Mom.)
I TOO feel strongly that We are likely infested with agents provocateur, shills, cut-outs, dead ends, sycophants ("True" Believers), false leads..... blah blah. However, lies are simply NOT indefinitely sustainable on this scale.
Worse, I suspect the ill and deranged dogs of the info war will diligently report 'up', when they've reached their limit. Unfortunately, if We fail to pry this open correctly, "They" will just pull their next sick-fuck stunt.
Keep cool, and always keep an eye out for the calm water; The people who continue to invoke a hope for justice, and a determination to right wrongs even if that requires THEIR OWN blood. Those who 'excuse' themselves from ever having to face a battlefield, really are quite suspect. (in light if this Zwicker post, please consider my "blood" words in context).
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Even in the remote possibility that 911myths is NOT a CIA-/DHS-funded site, it has no right of existance. Why? Because their version of events, like the collapses by fire and alleged damages of the WTC7, the allegedly genuine Osama confessions etc., has the biggest support as-is already by the U.S. Government PLUS the complete mainstream media! PLUS hundred million sheeps believing it!
We are David against Goliath, and they use their time and (allegedly private) money to support the latter. Next thing i will make a donation to Bill Gates! He needs it, really!!
The latest salvo in thew
The latest salvo in thew Pentagon debate: AJ hosts this new 3D animation.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/010706casestudy.htm
Personally, I'm tired of this 9/11 cottage industry. Our CCTV camera system failed - the one you paid good money for - so now we're using more of your tax dollars to finance these expensive 3D renderings of what we still insist happened.
At what point do we storm Congress and demand our money back, for everything - the useless air defense system, the hackable electoral system, the Iraq debacle, etc.
The "anti 9/11 Truth people"
The "anti 9/11 Truth people" are funny, as they ALL believe there is not one example of any coverup in regards to 9/11. And the sad thing is they are both Bush haters and Bsh lovers, liberals and conservative.
As for people coming forward, from retired Lt Col's Ive spoken to, people on the inside know something aint right in Kansas.
The big distractions are the ones posioning the well(and I dont even have to name names) with cocamaimey theories not one in the 9/11 truth movement believes, BUT..then there are PURPOSFEUL shills. These are the people who focus almost all their energy on conquering and dividing and attacking the truth movement itself while claiming "oh yeah, 9/11 was an inside job". I think ya can guess who Im talking about. Btw, Zwicker rocks.
Shills... If the Bush=Hitler
Shills...
If the Bush=Hitler analogy is true. The next Neocon move could look like this:
Just like with the Miami plot, they use a sting operation to incite 9/11 truthers into a revolution-attempt. A 'cell' of 9/11 truthers will be charged with plotting to assassinate Bush and to overthrow the government.
Therby, the truth movement will be framed to be a terrorist organization, and subsequently, arrests will be made and an extension to the Patriot Act will ban the voicing of 9/11 conspiracy theories, just like they banned glorifying terrorism.
- They will crush the whole movement with new laws, signed into law by the Neocons - and all they need for it is a 'catalysing' event...
After we win this
After we win this information war, where is America headed? Have you thought about the future? These quotes by Lord Acton make me think that we are headed towards each person being responsible for governing themselves.
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end." Lord Acton
The printing press brought to the citizens of the world more freedom than ever before and the power of the internet is just now starting to be realized. Do you see the positive change that is coming? The harder we work, the quicker it gets here.
Greg, I've wondered about
Greg,
I've wondered about that myself.
Erin, welcome aboard. I was wondering, with someone of your expertise... have you looked at the plane parts identified at the Pentagon?
Specifically, this rotor:
http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/planeparts-1.jpg
Are you comfortable with the identification of this piece as part of a commercial Boeing product? It's been said by several amateurs that this piece is not from a commercial jet. What's your opinion?
Ok, that didn't work. This
Ok, that didn't work.
This rotor:
Scroll down to "Engine Evidence"
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13656426/
"Bin Laden also endorses
"Bin Laden also endorses Abu-Hamza al-Muhajir as the successor to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi"
Imagine this conversation. "Ok. Thanks Osama for stopping by. If we need you again, we'll give you a call."
All your theories about "the
All your theories about "the next scam" make logical sense. What I feel you're not allowing for is the deliberate swing back to the Left now. The trashing of BushCo has already begun. Polls indicate quite strongly that the GOP is in big trouble for November (not that polls can be trusted as reality, but they can be trusted as deliberate info that is designed to permeate the psyche of those who bother to vote.)
The op now is to portray the GOP as the most corrupt crooks in recent history (like they did to the Dems pre-Regan) and swing U.S. politics back to the Left without having to actually hack the Deibold machines again (but that will happen if necessary.)
If you watch the hard-core pundit shows closely, however, you'll see some recent unusual uneasiness about "assured victory" for the Dems in November, which will continue through the summer. This is also a psy-op, to make sure the voting core of the party doesn't get complacent and not attend that 2nd Tuesday event. (Liberals tend to get lazy at times, so their outrage over the NeoCons recent bullshit has to be shored up as we come down the summer home stretch.)
Rest assured, the GOP is out in November, and President Hillary is in in '08. She will continue the sham 'War on Terra' without missing a beat, plus the Left will provide the globalists with the added bonus of increased domestic gun control, that's been dangerously lacking with all these RIght-Wing NRA members in power.
You know what's funny
You know what's funny though... and I love pointing things out like this for those who believe the "official story". If you follow the "official story", you should be INFURIATED that Osama Bin Laden is still alive, and able to threaten the world.
Reason being, George W. Bush himself said,"I am truly not that concerned about him."
So if you follow the "official story", you should be mad at George W. Bush for not making Osama a priority.
Right?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ pa...e_evidence.html
reprehensor | Homepage | 07.01.06 - 1:47 pm | #
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Regarding those "wheel" shots on that page. Count the holes in the Pentagon wheel hub, then those in the 757 wheel hub.
Welcome to 1984. I suppose that 8 = 10 now.
The absurdity of
The absurdity of 'Al-Qaeda'
What we are supposed to believe about this 'most powerful terrorist organization' goes to the extermes.
About 9/11 the mastermind terrorist is supposed to be Osama Bin Laden, who didn't give any explanation for this greatest ever act of terrorism either before or after. The motive we're told was not to extort the country like traditional terrorists: demands, deadlines, hostages to be released, but instead just to cause death and destruction. And even long after, in many many tapes released by him, the motives and meaning of the attack aren't at all made clear. The Oct.2004 video had him saying "your future is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush, your future is in your own hands" - so after waiting three years for any clue of what this new terrorism is really about, we're getting some philosophy lecture from him.
And the absurdities continue with the story of Zarqawi, 'Iraq's most dangerous terrorist': Supposedly the mastermind behind all anti-American activity in Iraq, his last video had him use an American M16 rifle, captured, we're told. Most guerillas prefer the AK-47, making Zarqawi a really unique terrorist. Even more so, they had used a pickup-truck to go to the desert location where the video was made. Not only is a pickup an american speciality, but it was most likely a Chevrolet or Ford, the ones used by Iraqi security forces.
Zarqawi's death brought the absurities and inconsistency to a final climax: In the rubble of his bombed 'safehouse', a laptop and memory sticks were recovered. After eager analysis and data recovery, we're told, several key documents were found in this treasure trove of enemy intelligence: One of it, as cited by CNN, provided a critical and lengthy assessment of al-Qaeda in Iraq, organized by numbers and divided into sections in a way that would have earned Zarqawi an A grade by any highschool teacher's standards. Among the most vicious ideas in this devil's mind, the documents revealed a secret plan to start a war with Iran. A real devilish genius, this Zarqawi..! but one thing makes you wonder - isn't this the one we saw firing a gun in the desert, with his bomb belt that he vowed newer to take off, and above all, the same Zarqawi was said to have personally carried out slaughters & beheadings with his knife? So we're told he first cut off Nick Berg's head, together with other mujahideen, and once the event was finished, this same man sits down at his Laptop, with his bomb-belt on, pluggin in a memory stick, and in the middle of this bloody battlefield finds time for some 'muse', writing Word documents about international terrorism...
Bushladen... you gave me the
Bushladen... you gave me the idea for this little snippet...
Tell Us How You Did It Osama
The group I was working with
The group I was working with in NYC was thoroughly infiltrated. One of the main reasons it fell apart...
>After we win this
>After we win this information war, >where is America headed?
It the ugly truth is one day revealed, this will surely mean a "constitutional crisis" as one article said. 9/11 "changed the world" they claimed, but the real worldpolitical change has yet to happen, and it will be of a completely different nature than the phony one the Neocons have prescribed. I'd expect to see the U.S. become smaller, because some states would leave the union to become independent.
But the important thing about this, what those that are afraid of 9/11 truth don't realize, is that this will not mean 'the end of the world'. To the contrary, as their very own Rush Limbaugh preached way back when, "we don't need Washington": America will be better than ever without the corrupt folks in high places.
The group I was working with
The group I was working with in NYC was thoroughly infiltrated. One of the main reasons it fell apart...
Ann | 07.01.06 - 2:25 pm | #
Do tell!
But the important thing
But the important thing about this, what those that are afraid of 9/11 truth don't realize, is that this will not mean 'the end of the world'. To the contrary, as their very own Rush Limbaugh preached way back when, "we don't need Washington": America will be better than ever without the corrupt folks in high places.
Greg | Homepage | 07.01.06 - 2:34 pm | #
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Voila. We begin to see the REAL purpose of the mid-level op that is 9/11. The 9/11 that is a symptom, not an end game.
The slow destruction of the credibility of the United States government, from within. The gradual erosion of the people's faith in this entity, both the Left and Right. The Right hate it for it's intrusion into their "pursuit of ill-gotten gains", and now the Left hates it for it's deliberate false-flag attacks on it's own citizens. Looks like neither side trusts this government anymore... has it runs it's course? Is it too powerful? Too easily corrupted?
Qui bono, by this new awakening? I'll give you a hint: they like the U.N., and they'd like to "see more International oversight" of this dangerous entity, the U.S. and it's big military. And President Hillary is just the man to start bringing that sentiment on-board. Watch as it unfolds - it'll be like watching a car wreck, you won't be able to look away, no matter how hard you try.
reprehensor: Your first link
reprehensor:
Your first link worked, not the second, at least for my comp and network.
I am not a large turbine specialist of any merit. My experience is in compact helicopter turbines, and turbo-props. But I've stood next to, and climbed on, enough of the large ones to feel comfortable commenting.
The photo of that rotor has never bothered me (skip to the bottom if you don't care why), as comming from a mid-bypass, first stage, commercial rotor. Infact (to me), that rotor looks more like it comes from a larger eng., rather than a smaller one.
Addressing other speculation I've encountered: Mill spec. rotors can be surprisingly small by comparison to the commercial, in terms of their rated thrust. (more money and effort can go into compacting the rotor size of a military aircraft, while commercial money goes into reliability and efficiency, ergo, bulky and large).
Yet don't forget, that what is shown is absolutely JUST the rotor hub, the dozens of fan blades are rooted along the outer edge, and double, or triple, the full diameter of the complete engine, as compared to just what is shown. Add to that, a bit for the outer cowling, and THAT rotor would have come from an engine 6+ feet in diameter.
It is particularly difficult for me to envision that rotor being used in a fighter jet, cruse missile, or surveillance type 'drone'. Simply impractical, or nothing I've ever seen. This comment should not rule-out a droned commercial craft, albeit still a large one, or large military transport. (Yet as to mil transport craft, they commonly use turbos-props (a smart combination of small jet with transmission and propeller blades, of which this is not.) A classic turbine, full sized transport, would have plowed down an astonishingly large amount of Pentagon. So don't waste time going there. So I say.
Further, as I have not reached satisfaction on the ability of the Pentagon to consume (for lack of forensic and/or photographic evidence produced) the very large quantity of aircraft debris that THAT rotor would have been used to propel, I can not rule out an easily planted part, or photo. That rotor (and the rest of the compressor core), coming from a twin engine commercial plane, is one of the few aircraft components capable of the "punch out" damage, as alluded to in the general story. Certainly not the fiber-layup nose cone, or even the relatively dense flight deck (cock-pit) structure. The dense rotor and compressor section wins, in my opinion, as to the only realistic component [s] capable of crashing deep into the building.
That still means that I want to see three (one large, and two smaller) holes in near the front of the building, and TWO carved channels digging the deepest, possibly "punching-out" somewhere between Penta-rings.
Oh shit!..... I also want to see the leading edge wing spars busting the fuck out the front of that building, for the length of the wing span. And at least one vertical stabilizer rivet jammed into the roof line. And maybe an elevator hinge servo, which snapped off to the LEFT, and taking out that silly security camera.
Did I rant on OK?
Please fell free to reorganize, condense, or streamline what I just said. I can ramble on, and clearly add too much unnecessary info. Ask me to clarify, restate or confirm parts that interest you. Please, I want to help.
Count the wheel hub holes.
Count the wheel hub holes.
Herr Pi, I do not believe
Herr Pi, I do not believe that the dems will take either the house or the senate this november. I'd be surprised if they took 10 seats in the house and 4 in the senate. So I don't think you have to worry about the fake left shift taking place any time soon. If and when we have a leftward shift... I'm hoping it will be a real one (ie something not led by a Hillary or a Lieberman). Because the damage caused by a fake left shift could be devastating.
The "lightning" holes (to
The "lightning" holes (to reduce weight and relieve stress) in wheel hubs are not of interest to me. Modification and changes to operating equipment (in ALL types of aircraft) come into and out of manufacturing and service centers at an astonishing rate. Either a time-waster pursuit (false lead), or something too many people have latched onto trying to point out as "incriminating evidence." Too easy to "debunk".
No offense, Rumpl4skn. I rather talk about transponders as well as both civil and military radar. (is that you, I've read over at Dunns place? I do like how that dialogue has left his hands. No real slight to Dunn, but I was happy to see that people started to talk over him. Maybe he did too?)
I agree, tech specs are
I agree, tech specs are usualy a dead-end. But it's a simple issue - 8 holes in the Pentagon wheel hub, 10 in the 757 picture. ATS proved the opposite of it's intent by posting those pix.
add: The ability of the
add:
The ability of the Administration to fully debunk this whole Penta-Plane thing, could be remedied in one afternoon.... Allow me, or some NTSB rep, accompanied by 12 field tripping jurists, to compare the stamped serial numbers on that fucking rotor, with the air-craft maintenance logs where the numbers are recorded. Not only in one log book, but the whole fucking paper trail of documentation required by previously stringent book-keeping FAA regulations.
This number would (have been) traceable from the damn ground the metal ore was taken, through the foundry, on through the machining mill shop, inspection, transportation, installation, and time-in-service inspection logs.
And what's that Ray, Gold, and others say.....
"They could, but won't!" STILL!
Now, I contend that time has passed. Too much time has passed for records to be lost, fixed, forged.
Talk about causing great division in a nation. THAT'S proof to me of their criminal mind. Before, during and after!
Herr Pi, I do not believe
Herr Pi, I do not believe that the dems will take either the house or the senate this november.
iconoclast421 | Homepage | 07.01.06 - 3:53 pm | #
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You will. : )
... the damage caused by a fake left shift could be devastating.
iconoclast421 | Homepage | 07.01.06 - 3:53 pm | #
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All political shifts are engineered now, in either direction. Because neither side can be allowed to languish outside of power for too long, because you'd start to see a real 3rd party develop. And they can't have that - they need a pure party system.
No offense, Rumpl4skn. I
No offense, Rumpl4skn. I rather talk about transponders as well as both civil and military radar. (is that you, I've read over at Dunns place? I do like how that dialogue has left his hands. No real slight to Dunn, but I was happy to see that people started to talk over him. Maybe he did too?)
Erin S. Myers | 07.01.06 - 4:01 pm | #
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He provides an invaluable service - the ultimate skeptic of almost everything. I don't buy all he says, never did. But he got me thinking in some directions I's only weakly considered, and I can't put a price on that.
I don't buy all he says,
I don't buy all he says, never did. But he got me thinking in some directions I's only weakly considered, and I can't put a price on that.
You said it just right.
The provable crime today,
The provable crime today, regardless of the "sad state of the people not wanting to dwell on that horrific day".... is that there was NO CSI. Not even a trial in absentia for "Al Quada" or anyone else for that matter.
I'm so tired of spineless esquires telling me that that just wasn't/isn't possible, THEN OR NOW. Fuck the Bar Beholden pricks. I'm quite convinced that this, The Crime of Two Centuries, will have to be tried in a local small town court, common law style. Oooo, that kind of talk really pisses of Roberts-n-The Gang, I'm sure. But damn, if they haven't abdicated "The Law" themselves.
Sorry for the random,
Sorry for the random, wandering topics in this comment...just some thoughts on a lazy Saturday.
"the damage caused by a fake left shift could be devastating." -- iconoclast421
I heard that. I have no idea whether the Democrats will take back one or both houses of Congress but I'm not crazy about a Democratic "victory." Rather than pursuing impeachment, a new 9/11 investigation, giving folks a clue about the reality behind high gas prices (peak oil) and ending our occupation of Iraq, I suspect they will make their flagship project Universal Health Care, complete with subdermal RFID chips (you know, to better keep our health records and "serve us") and/or a national ID card, again, for our own benefit of course.
For fun I decided to type "victory gin" into firstgov.gov to see what came up. Before that I asked it "Where do I go to get my chocolate ration?" but doesn't handle English queries well. Anyway, for victory gin it turned up one response, a link to "Winston's Blog" (caution: bad color combination) at, apparently, an elementary school in Georgia. Mildly amusing.
So Bin Laden is making mix tapes again. Big surprise there. Say it together: "We are at war with the terrorists. We have always been at war with the terrorists."
Yesterday there was a story in the local paper with photos of large bundles of fireworks and equipment being hauled up a tram to the top of Mount Rushmore for the big July 3 show. The headline today: "Fire conditions could cancel Rushmore fireworks show". Oops.
Speaking of second thoughts, they scrubbed the Space Shuttle launch this afternoon and will try again tomorrow. I don't know if I've said this out loud before but I will say it now: it's time to abandon human space flight. That's not an easy thing for me to say; I've been a space geek for as long as I can remember. I followed closely the start of the International Space Station. When it was first occupied permanently in the fall of 2000 I was all stoked about it, "There may never be another day when human beings are not orbiting the planet." I believed it. Of course that was in the "pre 9/11" world. Knowing what I know now about resource depletion, entropy, and our ability to blow smoke up our own asses (aka denial), I'm willing to forego any future joy I might have experienced by watching humans futz around in space.
I wonder how many passenger miles of fuel (in GW Bush's fantasy Jetsons hydrogen economy) are contained in that external tank. I wonder how many thousands of barrels of oil it takes to separate out the H2 and O2, chill them down to liquid state and keep them there.
By the way, that "pull it"
By the way, that "pull it" phone call to CDI weirds me out a little bit. I had been thinking about calling CDI myself to ask that very question, almost verbatim to what is presented here... "I was just wondering if I could get a question answered." etc.
Since that phone call has happened, maybe I should call to get confirmation for myself and suggest they confirm it on their web site.
YES!!!!!!!!! i always said
YES!!!!!!!!! i always said D.C. was better than Ground Zero. the media is more likely to cover us there, and it just seems like the right place.
oops, wrong thread ,
oops, wrong thread , disregard last comment.
Erin, Thanks for your
Erin,
Thanks for your detailed answer.
Since that phone call has
Since that phone call has happened, maybe I should call to get confirmation for myself and suggest they confirm it on their web site.
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I'd wager one reason there was an honest response, is because he caught them off-guard. Asking for a confirmation on the website would be like asking them to paint "Larry Silverstein is a liar" on the side of their trucks.
I'd wager one reason there
I'd wager one reason there was an honest response, is because he caught them off-guard. Asking for a confirmation on the website would be like asking them to paint "Larry Silverstein is a liar" on the side of their trucks.
Rumpl4skn | 07.01.06 - 6:30 pm | #
Point taken. The whole thing just seems odd to me. I mean, how off-guard could they be caught on this subject? I have a hard time imagining that CDI isn't aware of Silverstein's "pull it" statement and the subsequent questions raised about it. Maybe it was just a new receptionist. Or maybe the phone call was fabricated.
PS: Great nick Rumpl. :)
Or maybe the phone call was
Or maybe the phone call was fabricated.
Benonymous Rex | 07.01.06 - 8:47 pm | #
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Always a possibility, and illustrative of the atmosphere in which we've all been operating for years now. Who knows what is legit and what has been planted as an easy knock-down when needed?
We're up against a highly-organized, clever foe, who has on their side - aside from the obvious assets - the self-generated, public perception that they're incompetant boobs.
I was thinking the "pull it,
I was thinking the "pull it, means pull it down" answer from the receptionist could actually be a smart SOP company wide.... That is, if they have any real hope in sustaining any real business in the overt public/private (nonmilitary demo team) sector.
I'd say it's rather unlikely that there was ANY formal (secret non-disclosure), even under the table (back door), dealing or consulting with any such office.
The perps would not have needed to ask them (nor risk) their involvement. The perps had enough "in-house" skill to bring the buildings down on their own, even with rare artistic flare (the perfectionist in them).
Just my thoughts.
I'd sooner grant that
I'd sooner grant that Silverstein was just a dipstick infront of the camera ("I can say this. Gotta give them something that will sound plausible. So, why not say it like I'm the Big Humanitarian here, with the bonus capacity to decide the fate of buildings, like those fuckers who told ME I had to do as they said. Damn it")
The way he dropped his answer, had me thinking that he really wasn't in on 'deciding' anything, but knew damn well how the building were going to come down. After the fact, HE KNEW Building 7 was always going to be a tough nut lie to pass. Probably cooked up his story while sipping schnapps in the back of the limo on the way to the office.
If he meant
If he meant "it=firefighters", then that's awfully disrespectful to firefighters. Just the way the segment plays "decided to pull it, then we watched the building come down" and as soon as he says "pull it" it shows the building come down. That's not know Alex Jones editing, that's what the actual PBC documentary did with the implication.
As for that Pentagon CGI, we do see some definate AA aluminum...even if it is proven to be a 767, I still think it was remote controlled somehow.
As for that Pentagon CGI, we
As for that Pentagon CGI, we do see some definate AA aluminum...even if it is proven to be a 767, I still think it was remote controlled somehow.
pockybot
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The whole problem with the Pentagon is that there's STILL, almost 5 years later, no video. We're left to work with stills, and those pix of guys in white shirts and ties carrying pieces of aluminum mean nothing, because there's no indication of their direction. You can't tell if they're removing debris or carrying it from a truck to the lawn.
All I know for sure is - those guys shouldn't be touching evidence, when other members of the crew are wearing bio-haz suits.
The way he dropped his
The way he dropped his answer, had me thinking that he really wasn't in on 'deciding' anything, but knew damn well how the building were going to come down. After the fact, HE KNEW Building 7 was always going to be a tough nut lie to pass. Probably cooked up his story while sipping schnapps in the back of the limo on the way to the office.
Erin S. Myers | 07.01.06 - 11:09 pm | #
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Yes, this stuff seems simple enough on the surface. Once the "sudden collapse" scenario wouldn't play anymore, then LS had to switch gears, so he decided to suggest the "we pulled it" concept. Not realizing that opened a larger can of worms.
However, I tend to subscribe to the concept that they're not that stupid, that a lot of this is deliberate suggestion to fuel the debate. Put out tidbits of nothing that can be argued either way, forever. As long as the Truth Community (and it's accompanying shills) are busy screaming at each other over "what he really meant", the rest of the populace sees nothing but a blur of controversy, and there's no one outside of that group of debaters to come on-board another investigation.
" You can hear the birds
" You can hear the birds chirping..."
What I hear are the soldiers of truth smashing the crap out of your conspiradroid fantasies... like that lying bully Fetzer...
Well said, Rumpl4skn: Still,
Well said, Rumpl4skn:
Still, it's not a stupidity, rather it's an arrogance which helps people do (say) stupid things.
Little Boy George, is one of the most arrogant of all, even if he IS successfully hiding a 150 I.Q.
Does anybody know if all the
Does anybody know if all the facts listed below are correct? Does anybody consider these to be compelling facts to discuss with the general public, such as people you meet?
Communication Regarding 9/11
Based on an article originally written by Damien Haining
Excerpts
Here we could mention some features of the official “9/11 Commission”:
The 9/11 Commissioners were specifically chosen because of profound conflicts of interest that would limit their investigative zeal.1,2 Half of the assistants employed by the Commission likewise had conflicts of interest.
It was forbidden to spend significant effort investigating 9/11 – instead the vast majority of the effort was spent investigating how to forestall a repeat of it.
It was forbidden to examine anything about the war games that paralyzed military responses.
It was forbidden to examine the planesÂ’ 'black boxes' - their existence was concealed from the Commission.
It was forbidden to examine any intelligence agency reports to the Bush Administration made prior to 9/11.
It was forbidden to examine any aspect of the financing of the 9/11 terrorists.
It was forbidden to examine 9/11 terroristsÂ’ support networks within the US.
It was forbidden to investigate any leads, or include in the report any events, facts, or testimony, that contradicted the official story which had already been spun by the government prior to the formation of the 9/11 Commission.
Little Boy George, is one of
Little Boy George, is one of the most arrogant of all, even if he IS successfully hiding a 150 I.Q.
Erin S. Myers | 07.02.06 - 4:22 pm | #
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I don't think Dubya is ready for Mensa. I just think he's playing a lot dumber than he really is, for dramatic purposes. The shills on the 'net now constantly cite the "he's too stupid to have been involved in 9/11", when that's not what anyone is saying anyway. They seem to think we're suggesting he sat down and drew up the blueprint. He certainly was in on the plan, but mostly he was (and is) the Village Idiot, the Designated Distractor.
jeff: You've got my vote.
jeff:
You've got my vote. Every one of those IS true, to the best of my knowledge. I entered this issue on the appeal of Sibel Edmonds and Daniel Elseberg, Mike German, Turnner, Docovitch, Tice, and McGovern. I personally met every one of these people face to face. It was important, for me, to look them in the eyes directly.
They DO NOT offer complete speculations. That's a good thing. But what they do offer, is a unified voice, that some kind of extraordinary shenanigans were afoot, and that simple, ordinary, routine investigations WERE/ARE handicapped.
Rumpl4skn: I think so, too.
Rumpl4skn:
I think so, too.
Jeff: Take note. If what
Jeff:
Take note. If what these people say is true, eventhough gaged from discussing names, places and dates, they still paint a very distrubing picture.
All in a row; FBI,Rand, FBI, FBI, TSA, NSA, CIA.... Unified story, all.
And I tell you, their eyes were sharp, wide, and fired. Every one.
(Rowlly dosn't make my list. No offense.)
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"Zwicker gave a presentation about infiltration of the 9/11 skeptic community. Zwicker has had several run-ins with covert agents in Canada"
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BARRIE ZWICKER'S BEHAVIOR IS THAT OF A LYING, U.S.-GOVERNMENT-FRIENDLY DISINFORMATION AGENT !!!
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So, good misdirection (lying again), Barrie! (A disinfo agent talking about "run-ins" with "covert agents" ... What will they think of next???)
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Barrie Zwicker, a professional journalist with 50 years' experience, must have known better than to have told lies (Bush NEVER said "ordinary TV"!!!) about Bush's repeated incriminating self-implicating 9/11 witness statements!!!!!!!
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The (2nd-)last thing I want to do is to be divisive. But trying to discuss Barrie's 'mistake' with him was like trying to discuss 9/11 with Cheney -- BZ's behavior, when confronted with his 'mistake', was blatantly dishonest and totally unacceptable.
So now Barrie Zwicker, that silver-tongued devil, has been caught red-handed, and it would be wrong of me to keep BZ's treacherous secret for BZ, and from We The People.
You can find more info about Agent Zwicker at LIHOP (you can't take the LIE out of LIHOP!) Agent Central, at http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=about (these mutually-proclaimed "leaders" all oppose full disclosure about 9/11; their behavior perfectly fits the definition of a limited hang-out; it's just that most people are fooled, most of the time, by fake opposition...).
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So, to recap:
Old loose-lips-sink-ships Bush let slip that he was "in the loop" on the very beginning of the supposedly-secret supposedly-terrorist supposedly-surprise attack. http://911blimp.net/aud_BushImplicatesBush.shtml
Dems (and Reps) simply pretend he didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - http://911blimp.net/graphics/blimpB-scroll3.gif
So it is left to the misleaders of the false-flag limited-hangout operation known as the 911 truth movement, including professional misleading liar Barrie Zwicker, to tell misleading lies about Bush's statements, in an attempt to get people to dismiss and disregard them!
I wonder how much the BushCo crowd is paying Barrie Zwicker to destroy his own reputation and credibility by telling Bush-saving lies about Bush's incriminating 9/11 witness statements (BUSH NEVER SAID "ORDINARY TV"!!!).
(Anyone can make a 'mistake'; it is their behavior once it is brought to their attention that conclusively reveals the intentions behind their behavior.)
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BARRIE ZWICKER'S BEHAVIOR IS THAT OF A LYING, U.S.-GOVERNMENT-FRIENDLY DISINFORMATION AGENT !!!
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BZ is definetely a DISINFO
BZ is definetely a DISINFO agent. Notice how he doesn't give the names of any of the infilitraitors, he just says they exist. Another thing I noticed on Dylan Avery's MySpace page is that Barry Zwicker is video taped talking about the insiders, but wants the camera shut off as he gives Dylan the names of the insiders. Why do you think he does that?
Dylan Avery, Alex Jones, Barry Zwicker, James Fetzer, and many others are ALL DISINFO AGENTS.
They work for the Zionist. Notice how Alex Jones is a part of a CHRISTIAN ZIONIST organization.
http://www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html
http://www.remnantsaints.com/index.html
http://www.rsicc.org/Members/founding1.htm