Here's a good "opening" when talking about 9/11 Truth... just ask this simple question... "Why didn't they want to investigate 9/11?"

"Family members of victims of the terror attacks say the White House has smothered every attempt to get to the bottom of the outrageous intelligence failures that took place on its watch."

And this...

"President Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle Tuesday to limit the congressional investigation into the events of September 11"

And this...

The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the effort in the war on terrorism

The question is... does this story confirm this one?

Bush Authorized Domestic Spying Before 9/11

I sure hope it does, because it would make this story...

Cheney Says 9/11 Attacks Could Have Been Averted With Wiretaps

REALLY important...

The funny thing is about that particular program, after 9/11...

Protests Against Echelon Vanish After 9/11

Jason Leopold was wrong about the Rove indictment, so it's hard to say if his "Bush Authorized Domestic Spying Before 9/11" story is true.

I thought...

NSA Blocking Whistleblower From Telling Committee About Shocking, Illegal Activities

And for those who don't know about Russell Tice...

Russell D. Tice told the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations he has concerns about a "special access" electronic surveillance program that he characterized as far more wide-ranging than the warrentless wiretapping recently exposed by the New York Times but he is forbidden from discussing the program with Congress.

"Leopold was a very said moment while 'hopfully' following Fitz. What's the current thought on Fitz still being a Boy Scout, but cleverly tactical?"

Sorry for the long post dz...

Sergeant Ali Mohamed and U.S. Intelligence Links to the Al Qaeda Leadership
The Report describes Ali Mohamed as “a former Egyptian army officer who had moved to the United States in the mid-1980s, enlisted in the U.S. Army, and become an instructor at Fort Bragg,” as well as helping to plan the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya (68). In fact Ali Mohamed was an important al Qaeda agent who, as the 9/11 Commission was told, "trained most of al Qaeda's top leadership," including "persons who would later carry out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing."[25] But the person telling the 9/11 Commission this, U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald, misrepresented Ali Mohamed’s FBI relationship. He told the Commission that, "From 1994 until his arrest in 1998, [Mohamed] lived as an American citizen in California, applying for jobs as an FBI translator and working as a security guard for a defense contractor."[26]

Ali Mohamed was not just an FBI job applicant. Unquestionably he was an FBI informant, from at least 1993 and maybe 1989.[27] And almost certainly he was something more. A veteran of the CIA-trained bodyguards of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, he was able, despite being on a State Department Watch List, to come to America around 1984, on what an FBI consultant has called “a visa program controlled by the CIA”, and obtain a job, first as a security officer, then with U.S. Special Forces.[28] In 1988 he took a lengthy leave of absence from the U.S. Army and went to fight in Afghanistan, where he met with Ayman al-Zawahiri (later bin Laden’s chief deputy in al Qaeda) and the “Arab Afghan” leadership.[29] Despite this, he was able to receive an Honorable Discharge one year later, at which point he established close contact with bin Laden in Afghanistan.

Ali Mohamed clearly enjoyed U.S. protection: in 1993, when detained by the RCMP in Canada, a single phone call to the U.S. secured his release. This enabled him to play a role, in the same year, in planning the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya in 1998.[30]

Congress should determine the true relationship of the U.S. Government to Ali Mohamed, who was close to bin Laden and above all Zawahiri, who has been called the “main player” in 9/11.[31] (Al-Zawahiri is often described as the more sophisticated mentor of the younger bin Laden.)[32] In particular Congress should determine why Patrick Fitzgerald chose to mislead the American people about Mohamed’s FBI status.

In short, the al Qaeda terror network accused of the 9/11 attacks was supported and expanded by U.S. intelligence programs and covert operations, both during and after the Soviet Afghan War. Congress should rethink their decision to grant still greater powers and budget to the agencies responsible for fostering this enemy in the first place.

Sane voices clamor from the Muslim world that the best answer to terrorism is not war but justice. We should listen to them. By using its energies to reduce the injustices tormenting Islam, the United States will do more to diminish terrorism than by creating any number of new directorates in Washington.

Gold:

Thanks for the Fitz back-story. Hadn't seen that.

I was much taken with the Comey set-up of Fitz. Too good to be trusted, I guess?

Live and learn.

Not to cheerlead for Fitz, however reading that again, I can't toss him in File 13 just yet. Plausible 'unknown' to some/most departments of DOJ, as FBI/CIA would still have been very cagey with that info.

The final 'sane voices' para is by far the best wrap-up on this still.

Fren,

I just thought it was odd to see an article about the 9/11 truth movement (and Alex Jones in particular) framed in the old cold war paradigm.

uh.. I meant Erin

"i watched Olbermann last night, and he started off his show off with the new "Osama" tape. he started off by saying "if Osama really is some orwellian creation, and the federal government is putting out these tapes to keep us nice and scared, why would they put it out on a Friday, a day usually reserved for putting out bad news that you dont want people to hear about?"

Let me guess: Because the tapes/video of Osama have gotten so phony & shitty that they don't want them to be very carefully scrutinized?

i would say because the CIA doesnt want to go to the trouble of trotting out fat Osama again because of all the scrutiny from people like us.

with an audio tappe, all you need to do to fool the sheeple is say the CIA verified its authenticity. sadly, most americans seem to think the CIA is something more than a violent gang.

Sorry Anon:

Just said I would take a break, but couldn't help myself.

No need to lay out the challenge to the Official Story that way. Just talk about the transponders. Far too little has been raised about their roll in aviation, and their physical makeup.

I'm a slow writer, and I have little of this canned 'ready to post'.

However, I am a pilot. More importantly, I'm a certified FAA A+P (Airframe and Power-plant) mechanic. I now run a specialty metals and fabrication shop.

I've been itching for four years to rant about the implausible stand-down and implausible aircraft flight paths, and implausible crash-sites.

The NTSB has been criminally silent.

four years? what held you back?

That whole Patrick Fitzgerald thing was a charade! Fitzy couldn't even get Rove indicted on anything??? You've go to be kidding me. Paddy is a fraud just like Spitzer.

(There's an old saying that one could indict a ham sandwich if you wanted to.)

fhb:

'Just thought' nothing. I think you wise to remember to cold war. It seems harldy over to me. The "framing" of this info is as serious as a heart attack.

No need to lay out the challenge to the Official Story that way. Just talk about the transponders....

Sorry, but your reasoning sounds foolish. Why hold back good circumstantial evidence & only talk about transponders? Are you a new rent-a-shill in training?

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Former Reagan Deputy and Colonel Says 9/11 "Dog That Doesn't Hunt"
Col. Ronald D. Ray asks why half a trillion defense budget couldn't protect Pentagon, astounded at "conspiracy theory" put out by government

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | July 1 2006

The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it "the dog that doesn't hunt."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/010706doesnthunt.htm

"...However, I am a pilot. More importantly, I'm a certified FAA A+P (Airframe and Power-plant) mechanic. I now run a specialty metals and fabrication shop...."

Do you fabricate drones to look like passenger planes?

Chris:

I've been reading books and internet all this time. Trying to get a sense of WHAT THE FUCK is going on!

I don't think I know yet, but I do think this dialogue is extremely important.

And, I shed all my fears of The State. (Thank you, Alex)

Their clearly up to their neck in lies. Too many lies, even for the CIA (if you can accept such a statement).

Leis, to fight a true foreign enemy is one thing. When these lies are being told to my face, "to protect" me, and the biggest one of all, trade liberty for security..... I've simply had enough.

Anon, no offense to your approach. I was simply offering a more economical argument.

No Shill,
Erin S. Myers
Former PFC, AWOL 68G U.S. Army Attack Helo.

Anon:

No need to fab a drone to look like something else, when a commercial plane will do just fine.

I did NOT just make an argument for "Remote Controll 9.11". However, it is also not implausible. I do not know.

Okay, Erin. If you're really legit, take no offense & keep posting. It's just that so many cunning shills are being paid to cover-up 9/11, it is getting on my nerves.

Yes, Erin. But even Operation Northwoods called for painting-up drones to look like passenger planes 40 years ago.

Imagine how much better they could do it now.

Anon:

No offense taken, whatsoever. I do understand your comments.

My interpritation of the ONW use of the word "drone", makes better sense to me as a 'droned' passanger plane, with a fresh paint job.

OT - speaking of manufactured audiotapes....

While 'Osama' praises the Z-man, George Bush is singing "Sunday Bloody Sunday"

LOL!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6805063692754011230

Erin wrote:

'Just thought' nothing. I think you wise to remember to cold war. It seems harldy over to me. The "framing" of this info is as serious as a heart attack.'

I was young when the cold war ended, but I'm well aware of what the cold war was about. Documentaries like 'Welcome to Ground Zero' drive home the madness of such fear based thinking.. basically I want nothing to do with it. It's us vs the terrorists now, but it's still the same old crap.

The military-industrial complex always needs a boogeyman. How else are they going to keep making those $$$ off of us???

Time to drain the swamp guys.

Lou Dobs on Able Danger http://www.apfn.org/apfn/911_coverup.htm

‘Al-Qaeda Is a U.S.-sponsored Intelligence Asset’

Michel Chossudovsky said this, & much more, at University of the Philippines last week:
http://www.bulatlat.com/news/6-21/6-21-asset.htm